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"Bush the War Criminal" |
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13 Oct 2006 01:33:43 PM |
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Homosexuality is Natural |
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent Thu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET
OSLO (Reuters) - The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's
first museum exhibition about homosexuality among animals.
With documentation of gay or lesbian behavior among giraffes, penguins,
parrots, beetles, whales and dozens of other creatures, the Oslo Natural
History Museum concludes human homosexuality cannot be viewed as
"unnatural."
"We may have opinions on a lot of things, but one thing is clear --
homosexuality is found throughout the animal kingdom, it is not against
nature," an exhibit statement said.
Geir Soeli, the project leader of the exhibition entitled "Against Nature,"
told Reuters: "Homosexuality has been observed for more than 1,500 animal
species, and is well documented for 500 of them."
The museum said the exhibition, opening on Thursday despite condemnation
from some Christians, was the first in the world on the subject. Soeli said
a Dutch zoo had once organised tours to view homosexual couples among the
animals.
"The sexual urge is strong in all animals. ... It's a part of life, it's fun
to have sex," Soeli said of the reasons for homosexuality or bisexuality
among animals.
One exhibit shows two stuffed female swans on a nest -- birds sometimes
raise young in homosexual couples, either after a female has forsaken a male
mate or donated an egg to a pair of males.
One photograph shows two giant erect penises flailing above the water as two
male right whales rub together. Another shows a male giraffe mounting
another for sex, another describes homosexuality among beetles.
BURN IN HELL
One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded by
the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said. Laws
describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the
statutes in some countries.
Greek philosopher Aristotle noted apparent homosexual behavior among hyenas
2,300 years ago but evidence of animal homosexuality has often been ignored
by researchers, perhaps because of distaste, lack of interest or fear or
ridicule.
Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with either
males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos are
bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said.
Still, it is unclear why homosexuality survives since it seems a genetic
dead-end.
Among theories, males can sometimes win greater acceptance in a pack by
having homosexual contact. That in turn can help their chances of later
mating with females, he said.
And a study of homosexual men in Italy suggested that their mothers and
sisters had more offspring. "The same genes that give homosexuality in men
could give higher fertility among women," he said.
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These photos are only of a very tiny fraction of the thousands of Iraqi
Civilian Victims who have been terrorised, humiliated, injured, maimed
and killed through British and American bombing of civilian areas in
various cities of Iraq. Due to lack of security, independent reporters could
not and still can not reach many areas to photograph and report the
atrocities. Several independent reporters and journalists were
deliberately bombed to prevent them reporting the atrocities.
Please note that some of these pictures are not suitable for small
children and those who have weak hearts.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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13 Oct 2006 05:14:03 PM |
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"Bush the War Criminal" <no@none.com> wrote in message
news:452fcf0f$0$19724$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent Thu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET
OSLO (Reuters) - The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the
world's first museum exhibition about homosexuality among animals.
One photograph shows two giant erect penises flailing above the water as
two male right whales rub together.
That in itself may be worth a trip to Oslo.
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These photos are only of a very tiny fraction of the thousands of Iraqi
Civilian Victims who have been terrorised, humiliated, injured, maimed
and killed through British and American bombing of civilian areas in
various cities of Iraq. Due to lack of security, independent reporters
could
not and still can not reach many areas to photograph and report the
atrocities. Several independent reporters and journalists were
deliberately bombed to prevent them reporting the atrocities.
Please note that some of these pictures are not suitable for small
children and those who have weak hearts.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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13 Oct 2006 01:55:42 PM |
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Bush the War Criminal wrote:
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent Thu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET
OSLO (Reuters) - The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's
first museum exhibition about homosexuality among animals.
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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13 Oct 2006 06:37:16 PM |
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Homosexuality is a natural part of most of the animal kingdom. It is natural
but not normal.
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bush the War Criminal wrote:
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent Thu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET
OSLO (Reuters) - The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the
world's
first museum exhibition about homosexuality among animals.
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Oct 2006 10:34:15 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:37:16 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
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Homosexuality is a natural part of most of the animal kingdom. It is natural
but not normal.
Same being a furless mammal. Natural but abnormal.
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| User: "duke" |
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13 Oct 2006 03:27:59 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2006 11:55:42 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
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This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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13 Oct 2006 03:54:07 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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Either way, it's a depravity.
How so?
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
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JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "bob young" |
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14 Oct 2006 11:54:02 PM |
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Joseph Welch wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:mltvi2tha09kr5jtbspnc17cargnrsb5ru@4ax.com...
Either way, it's a depravity.
How so?
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
by desert dwellers that tday theu would feign to sit down and eat with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
the 'gods' of course were simply put there to provide the imaginary 'power'
Nothing changes very much does it ?
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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15 Oct 2006 10:59:14 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Either way, it's a depravity.
How so?
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
Neither does watching The Simpsons.
So?
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "bob young" |
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16 Oct 2006 01:20:02 AM |
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Joseph Welch wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4531BE9D.1CE0A8FF@netvigator.com...
Either way, it's a depravity.
How so?
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
Neither does watching The Simpsons.
So?
So - this is what I said:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The 'gods' of course were simply put there to provide the imaginary 'power'
So - as usual; common sense wins over mythology
Bob
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "hopeful" |
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16 Oct 2006 06:14:57 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45332440.D6B1B28A@netvigator.com...
Joseph Welch wrote:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The rules were set a lot longer than thousands of years. One of the
definitions of a living organism is the urge to reproduce. Homosexuality is
Nature's way of treating a genetic deadend. These creatures are just doing
(or not doing) what comes natural and no fuss should be made about them as
long as they quietly go about their business. The push to revere marriage
by fiat has really muddied the waters but one good thing has come out of it.
Around here the local rabbis have come out strongly favoring this mis-guided
concept based on the Jews' cause for "social justice". Oddly I have heard
nothing about these rabbis marrying two Jewish homosexuals but they are
fighting to force Christians to do that very thing. Another example of the
"social injustice" of Judaism.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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19 Oct 2006 05:13:38 AM |
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hopeful wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45332440.D6B1B28A@netvigator.com...
Joseph Welch wrote:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The rules were set a lot longer than thousands of years. One of the
definitions of a living organism is the urge to reproduce.
No.
Homosexuality is
Nature's way of treating a genetic deadend.
Why do homosexuals continue to be born?
These creatures are just doing
(or not doing) what comes natural
Since homosexuality exists in nature, it is natural.
and no fuss should be made about them as
long as they quietly go about their business. The push to revere marriage
by fiat has really muddied the waters but one good thing has come out of it.
Around here the local rabbis have come out strongly favoring this mis-guided
concept based on the Jews' cause for "social justice". Oddly I have heard
nothing about these rabbis marrying two Jewish homosexuals but they are
fighting to force Christians to do that very thing. Another example of the
"social injustice" of Judaism.
No, the above nonsense is another example of anti-semitism.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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19 Oct 2006 09:26:34 AM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hopeful wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45332440.D6B1B28A@netvigator.com...
Joseph Welch wrote:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The rules were set a lot longer than thousands of years. One of the
definitions of a living organism is the urge to reproduce.
No.
Homosexuality is
Nature's way of treating a genetic deadend.
Why do homosexuals continue to be born?
Gangrene is natural too, but not highly desirable.
Jim E
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| User: "thomas p." |
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20 Oct 2006 04:43:53 AM |
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Jim E wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hopeful wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45332440.D6B1B28A@netvigator.com...
Joseph Welch wrote:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The rules were set a lot longer than thousands of years. One of the
definitions of a living organism is the urge to reproduce.
No.
Homosexuality is
Nature's way of treating a genetic deadend.
Why do homosexuals continue to be born?
Gangrene is natural too, but not highly desirable.
It is very odd that bigots insist that homosexuality is bad because its
unnatural, but, as soon as its pointed out that homosexuality is
natural (as is everything that exists in the physical world), the
bigots will point out that being natural has nothing to do with being
good or bad. I agree that it doesn't, and therefore the "homosexuality
is unnatural" argument has no validity at all. I thank you for
pointing that out.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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22 Oct 2006 01:31:29 AM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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Jim E wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hopeful wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45332440.D6B1B28A@netvigator.com...
Joseph Welch wrote:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years
ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat
with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The rules were set a lot longer than thousands of years. One of the
definitions of a living organism is the urge to reproduce.
No.
Homosexuality is
Nature's way of treating a genetic deadend.
Why do homosexuals continue to be born?
Gangrene is natural too, but not highly desirable.
It is very odd that bigots insist that homosexuality is bad because its
unnatural, but, as soon as its pointed out that homosexuality is
natural (as is everything that exists in the physical world), the
bigots will point out that being natural has nothing to do with being
good or bad. I agree that it doesn't, and therefore the "homosexuality
is unnatural" argument has no validity at all. I thank you for
pointing that out.
I never said it was "un natural".
Just that it was bad,a thing to be expunged.
Jim E
Jim E
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| User: "thomas p." |
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23 Oct 2006 05:43:57 AM |
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Jim E wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161337433.866060.107700@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jim E wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hopeful wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45332440.D6B1B28A@netvigator.com...
Joseph Welch wrote:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years
ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat
with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The rules were set a lot longer than thousands of years. One of the
definitions of a living organism is the urge to reproduce.
No.
Homosexuality is
Nature's way of treating a genetic deadend.
Why do homosexuals continue to be born?
Gangrene is natural too, but not highly desirable.
It is very odd that bigots insist that homosexuality is bad because its
unnatural, but, as soon as its pointed out that homosexuality is
natural (as is everything that exists in the physical world), the
bigots will point out that being natural has nothing to do with being
good or bad. I agree that it doesn't, and therefore the "homosexuality
is unnatural" argument has no validity at all. I thank you for
pointing that out.
I never said it was "un natural".
The person I originally responded to did say that and implied that
unnatural equaled bad.
Just that it was bad,a thing to be expunged.
Using an objective standard provide evidence that it is bad. Whether
or not you like it or you think some god doesn't like it is irrelevant.
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| User: "Voracious" |
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22 Oct 2006 07:14:05 PM |
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Jim E wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161337433.866060.107700@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jim E wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
hopeful wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:45332440.D6B1B28A@netvigator.com...
Joseph Welch wrote:
It does not fit in with a set of rules written thousands of years
ago
by desert dwellers that today they would feign to sit down and eat
with
- unless of course they are happy to eat with their fingers!
The rules were set a lot longer than thousands of years. One of the
definitions of a living organism is the urge to reproduce.
No.
Homosexuality is
Nature's way of treating a genetic deadend.
Why do homosexuals continue to be born?
Gangrene is natural too, but not highly desirable.
It is very odd that bigots insist that homosexuality is bad because its
unnatural, but, as soon as its pointed out that homosexuality is
natural (as is everything that exists in the physical world), the
bigots will point out that being natural has nothing to do with being
good or bad. I agree that it doesn't, and therefore the "homosexuality
is unnatural" argument has no validity at all. I thank you for
pointing that out.
I never said it was "un natural".
Just that it was bad,a thing to be expunged.
If homosexuality were a bad thing, and it's not, evolution would've
weeded it out long ago! It continues to exist across many, many species,
so it can't be detrimental in the grand scheme of things.
Voracious
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| User: "hopeful" |
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19 Oct 2006 06:37:51 AM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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Since homosexuality exists in nature, it is natural.
So are three and seven toes frogs but they ain't normal. As with any large
group, the standard curve, there are residents on the extreme but again that
does not make it natural as in equivalent. Go back to a biology book
written prior to 1960 and you will find the list of requirements for a
living organism.
and no fuss should be made about them as
long as they quietly go about their business. The push to revere
marriage
by fiat has really muddied the waters but one good thing has come out of
it.
Around here the local rabbis have come out strongly favoring this
mis-guided
concept based on the Jews' cause for "social justice". Oddly I have
heard
nothing about these rabbis marrying two Jewish homosexuals but they are
fighting to force Christians to do that very thing. Another example of
the
"social injustice" of Judaism.
No, the above nonsense is another example of anti-semitism.
Ah yes any criticism of a Jew is anti-semitism and therefore the one that
criticises should be banished. More and more people are begging to realize
that dog don't hunt. The reformed Jews around here are the only people
with any religious affilation coming out for queer marriage. Yep another
example of just how the Jews want to disrupt those evil bigoted Christians.
See J. J. Goldberg's "Jewish Power" . How many Jews do you know that have
been to a ceremony that coupled tow homosexuals?
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20 Oct 2006 04:49:54 AM |
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hopeful wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Since homosexuality exists in nature, it is natural.
So are three and seven toes frogs but they ain't normal.
Thank you for agreeing that the "unnatural argument" is invalid. I
wonder why it is used by the same people who later point out that it is
invalid.
As with any large
group, the standard curve, there are residents on the extreme but again that
does not make it natural as in equivalent.
"Natural" and "equivalent" do not have the same meaning.
Go back to a biology book
written prior to 1960 and you will find the list of requirements for a
living organism.
Not one of which will mention that it must be heterosexual or even have
a sex.
and no fuss should be made about them as
long as they quietly go about their business. The push to revere
marriage
by fiat has really muddied the waters but one good thing has come out of
it.
Around here the local rabbis have come out strongly favoring this
mis-guided
concept based on the Jews' cause for "social justice". Oddly I have
heard
nothing about these rabbis marrying two Jewish homosexuals but they are
fighting to force Christians to do that very thing. Another example of
the
"social injustice" of Judaism.
No, the above nonsense is another example of anti-semitism.
Ah yes any criticism of a Jew is anti-semitism
No, lying about Jews in order to defame them is anti-semitism.
and therefore the one that
criticises should be banished. More and more people are begging to realize
that dog don't hunt. The reformed Jews around here are the only people
with any religious affilation coming out for queer marriage. Yep another
example of just how the Jews want to disrupt those evil bigoted Christians.
See J. J. Goldberg's "Jewish Power" . How many Jews do you know that have
been to a ceremony that coupled tow homosexuals?
And you repeat the nonsense. I am not surprised that a homophobe would
also be an anti-semite.
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| User: "hopeful" |
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20 Oct 2006 08:11:28 AM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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hopeful wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Since homosexuality exists in nature, it is natural.
So are three and seven toes frogs but they ain't normal.
Thank you for agreeing that the "unnatural argument" is invalid. I
wonder why it is used by the same people who later point out that it is
invalid.
As with any large
group, the standard curve, there are residents on the extreme but again
that
does not make it natural as in equivalent.
"Natural" and "equivalent" do not have the same meaning.
But in your statements that is exactly what you are doing. Disingenuous of
you at best. Read the book by J. J. Goldberg and read some history and you
will find out what I have said is true. Of course it does not fit into your
mindset.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
21 Oct 2006 04:37:08 AM |
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hopeful wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161337794.773168.27010@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
hopeful wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1161252818.383076.209270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Since homosexuality exists in nature, it is natural.
So are three and seven toes frogs but they ain't normal.
Thank you for agreeing that the "unnatural argument" is invalid. I
wonder why it is used by the same people who later point out that it is
invalid.
As with any large
group, the standard curve, there are residents on the extreme but again
that
does not make it natural as in equivalent.
"Natural" and "equivalent" do not have the same meaning.
But in your statements that is exactly what you are doing.
Not anything I said could be reasonably so interpreted. I don't
understand why I would even want to say such a thing.
Disingenuous of
you at best. Read the book by J. J. Goldberg and read some history and you
will find out what I have said is true. Of course it does not fit into your
mindset.
Homosexuality is both natural and normal. Anything existing in nature
is, by definition, natural. Furthermore homosexuality would be part of
the normal distribution on a bell curve describing sexual orientation
in a population.
The only thing that can be said is that most people are not homosexual,
but I doubt that you are going to condemn any characteristic if it is
not shared by most people; but that has been your justification for
calling homosexuality unnatural (by which you imply it is bad).
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
16 Oct 2006 10:11:27 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:54:07 -0700, "Joseph Welch"
<seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:mltvi2tha09kr5jtbspnc17cargnrsb5ru@4ax.com...
Either way, it's a depravity.
How so?
Puke said so.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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19 Oct 2006 05:15:11 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:54:07 -0700, "Joseph Welch"
<seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:mltvi2tha09kr5jtbspnc17cargnrsb5ru@4ax.com...
Either way, it's a depravity.
How so?
Puke said so.
And he is an expert on depravity.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
19 Oct 2006 08:22:29 PM |
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On 19 Oct 2006 03:15:11 -0700, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote
in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:54:07 -0700, "Joseph Welch"
<seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:mltvi2tha09kr5jtbspnc17cargnrsb5ru@4ax.com...
Either way, it's a depravity.
How so?
Puke said so.
And he is an expert on depravity.
Yes, and the RCC taught him everything he knows.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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13 Oct 2006 08:48:33 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On 13 Oct 2006 11:55:42 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
Either way, you don't get to decide that for anyone but yourself, Earl Weber.
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Iowa 3, Houston 1 (October 12)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 14 at Iowa, 7:05
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
14 Oct 2006 10:48:24 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
Only if it's done right...
duke, American-American Idiot-Idiot
*****
"The ***** is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul LXIX
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
13 Oct 2006 04:01:35 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 11:55:42 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
Why? Because your book of middle-eastern nomadic mythology says so?
I've never heard anyone give a reason to consider homosexuality to be
something to look down on.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
15 Oct 2006 12:00:02 AM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
duke wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 11:55:42 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
Why? Because your book of middle-eastern nomadic mythology says so?
I've never heard anyone give a reason to consider homosexuality to be
something to look down on.
I wonder how many of these self-righteous fundies had a minor crush on another
same sex person
in their student days, only to modify it a few years later?
I believe this statistic, if known, would be quite revealing,
possibly over thirty percent of the population,
of which a great many were and still are, churchgoers
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
13 Oct 2006 10:33:11 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2006 14:01:35 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 11:55:42 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
Why? Because your book of middle-eastern nomadic mythology says so?
The bible never even mentions homosexuality. Not once.
I've never heard anyone give a reason to consider homosexuality to be
something to look down on.
Bigotry. Now you've heard one. :)
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"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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14 Oct 2006 01:47:59 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 14:01:35 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 11:55:42 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
Why? Because your book of middle-eastern nomadic mythology says so?
The bible never even mentions homosexuality. Not once.
Lev 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them
have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their
blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their woman
exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up
natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one
another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their
own persons the due penalty for their error.
You're probably thinking of Sodom and Gomorrah. True, that part of the
bible doesn't mention homosexuality.
I've never heard anyone give a reason to consider homosexuality to be
something to look down on.
Bigotry. Now you've heard one. :)
I meant a good reason.
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| User: "Andrew Haley" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is Natural |
14 Oct 2006 04:46:23 AM |
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In alt.atheism Conspiracy of Doves <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 14:01:35 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On 13 Oct 2006 11:55:42 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is great. Although even if homosexuality were completely
unnatural, that still wouldn't be a reason to condemn it.
Either way, it's a depravity.
Why? Because your book of middle-eastern nomadic mythology says so?
The bible never even mentions homosexuality. Not once.
Lev 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Here's an alternative view:
"The Bible ... celebrates same-sex relationships, despite what those
persuaded by a few verses in Leviticus and the epistles might
believe."
Trevor Dennis is vice dean of Chester Cathedral.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1922480,00.html
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