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"Bob Baxter" |
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08 Apr 2004 04:49:55 PM |
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Homosexuality is WRONG |
Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.
Mike
What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
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10 Apr 2004 03:19:42 PM |
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~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~ wrote:
The other Donald wrote:
"rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge"
<reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
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Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let
your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the
stigma
it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.
Mike
What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse
mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires,
including
those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly
want
to
please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in
the
past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will,
the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to
develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper
motivation,
he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard.
Likewise, a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by
heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual
practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking
that
wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of
the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip
off
the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the
new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.
And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the bonds of
the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself. You
can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that asserts
the
bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as begging
the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical out-of-context
interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who are
obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the feeble
minded.
It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the intellect
stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.
To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech
about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness.
They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice
everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from
the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure
fantasy
as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.
Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual
ones
of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired
answer
from God's own Word:
"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth;
but
God
chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men
to
shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put
the
strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world
and
the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might
bring
to
nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the
sight
of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.
Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.
***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because
they
are examined spiritually.
Has it ever occurred to you to actually think for yourself?
what a scary thought!
Darn you! You made me spit coffee all over my keyboard again.
--
Fritz
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Religion = tyranny.
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| User: "~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" |
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08 Apr 2004 08:45:50 PM |
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rgeorge wrote:
***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they
are examined spiritually.
Tell us all what is 'spiritual'
We are eager to hear.
Speak it now.
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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08 Apr 2004 09:48:52 PM |
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"~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" <AMPUTEE@USED.COM> wrote in message
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rgeorge wrote:
***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because
they
are examined spiritually.
Tell us all what is 'spiritual'
We are eager to hear.
Speak it now.
THE Bible speaks very favorably of those who are called "spiritual" persons.
On the other hand, it does not mention with merit those described as
"fleshly." -Rom. 8:5-8; Gal. 5:16-18.
However, many persons who should be spiritual are often, in reality, just
the contrary. For this reason, the first-century Bible writer Paul,
addressing the Christian congregation at Corinth, Greece, said: "I was not
able to speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to fleshly men, as to babes
in Christ." (1 Cor. 3:1)
To appreciate what it means to be a "spiritual" person, it is helpful to
understand the opposite term, "fleshly," as used by the writer Paul. What
does being "fleshly" mean? It means to be dominated by the flesh, that is,
to have an earthly, worldly viewpoint. Such thinking is that of imperfect,
fallen men; this is what has saturated this whole system. Fleshly men judge
"by human standards."-1 Cor. 9:8.
But, more importantly, what does it mean to be "spiritual men"? It means to
think like God, whose thoughts are elevated above those of man. (Isa. 55:8,
9; Rom. 11:33) This thinking ability comes to those who listen to God's
spokesmen, particularly Jesus Christ, 'the one who has explained YHWH.'
(John 1:18) In the apostles of Jesus Christ we have an excellent example
demonstrating how one can become truly spiritual.
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| User: "~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" |
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08 Apr 2004 09:51:59 PM |
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rgeorge wrote:
"~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" <AMPUTEE@USED.COM> wrote in message
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rgeorge wrote:
***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because
they
are examined spiritually.
Tell us all what is 'spiritual'
We are eager to hear.
Speak it now.
THE Bible speaks very favorably of those who are called "spiritual" persons.
On the other hand, it does not mention with merit those described as
"fleshly." -Rom. 8:5-8; Gal. 5:16-18.
However, many persons who should be spiritual are often, in reality, just
the contrary. For this reason, the first-century Bible writer Paul,
addressing the Christian congregation at Corinth, Greece, said: "I was not
able to speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to fleshly men, as to babes
in Christ." (1 Cor. 3:1)
Ok. Now I think you may be onto me. ;)
To appreciate what it means to be a "spiritual" person, it is helpful to
understand the opposite term, "fleshly," as used by the writer Paul. What
does being "fleshly" mean? It means to be dominated by the flesh, that is,
to have an earthly, worldly viewpoint. Such thinking is that of imperfect,
fallen men; this is what has saturated this whole system. Fleshly men judge
"by human standards."-1 Cor. 9:8.
But, more importantly, what does it mean to be "spiritual men"? It means to
think like God, whose thoughts are elevated above those of man. (Isa. 55:8,
9; Rom. 11:33) This thinking ability comes to those who listen to God's
spokesmen, particularly Jesus Christ, 'the one who has explained YHWH.'
(John 1:18) In the apostles of Jesus Christ we have an excellent example
demonstrating how one can become truly spiritual.
And Jesus was no bigot was he?
He hung out with the what soceity deemed at that time
to be the lowest forms of human life.
Because he did not judge.
He simply loved.
And to quote the loony tunes,
"That's all folks."
So I will follow Jesus's example here
and give you another chance
sans judgement.
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
08 Apr 2004 10:40:58 PM |
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"~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" <AMPUTEE@USED.COM> wrote in message
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rgeorge wrote:
"~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" <AMPUTEE@USED.COM> wrote in message
news:6ebd754ffbef664bd72d344e6b0f16e4@news.teranews.com...
rgeorge wrote:
***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God,
for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them],
because
they
are examined spiritually.
Tell us all what is 'spiritual'
We are eager to hear.
Speak it now.
THE Bible speaks very favorably of those who are called "spiritual"
persons.
On the other hand, it does not mention with merit those described as
"fleshly." -Rom. 8:5-8; Gal. 5:16-18.
However, many persons who should be spiritual are often, in reality,
just
the contrary. For this reason, the first-century Bible writer Paul,
addressing the Christian congregation at Corinth, Greece, said: "I was
not
able to speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to fleshly men, as to
babes
in Christ." (1 Cor. 3:1)
Ok. Now I think you may be onto me. ;)
To appreciate what it means to be a "spiritual" person, it is helpful to
understand the opposite term, "fleshly," as used by the writer Paul.
What
does being "fleshly" mean? It means to be dominated by the flesh, that
is,
to have an earthly, worldly viewpoint. Such thinking is that of
imperfect,
fallen men; this is what has saturated this whole system. Fleshly men
judge
"by human standards."-1 Cor. 9:8.
But, more importantly, what does it mean to be "spiritual men"? It means
to
think like God, whose thoughts are elevated above those of man. (Isa.
55:8,
9; Rom. 11:33) This thinking ability comes to those who listen to God's
spokesmen, particularly Jesus Christ, 'the one who has explained YHWH.'
(John 1:18) In the apostles of Jesus Christ we have an excellent example
demonstrating how one can become truly spiritual.
And Jesus was no bigot was he?
He hung out with the what soceity deemed at that time
to be the lowest forms of human life.
Because he did not judge.
He simply loved.
And to quote the loony tunes,
"That's all folks."
So I will follow Jesus's example here
and give you another chance
sans judgement.
Thank you for your post.
A wrongdoing child is disciplined because he is loved: "The one whom YHWH
loves he reproves, even as a father does a son in whom he finds pleasure." A
child may do many hateful acts, but the parent still loves his child. He
hates the wrong acts, but not his child, and he works for its recovery by
disciplining it. YHWH follows this course also. He does it where there is
hope for saving the sinful person. He knows that in so many cases it is
fleshly weakness that plunges the person into wrongdoing, that it is not
really what the person himself desires. Paul showed this aversion to sins he
himself committed: "For what I wish, this I do not practice; but what I hate
is what I do. But now the one working it out is no longer I, but sin that
resides in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there resides
nothing good; for ability to wish is present with me, but ability to work
out what is right is not present. For the good that I wish I do not do, but
the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. If, now, what I do not wish
is what I do, the one working it out is no longer I, but the sin dwelling in
me." Many wrongs persons commit are because of weakness, of environment, of
past circumstances in an unfortunate childhood, and do not express the true
person within at all. Some wrongs are committed in ignorance, and on coming
to knowledge the wrongdoer may possibly repent.-Prov. 3:12; Rom. 7:15,
17-20.
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| User: "~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" |
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08 Apr 2004 10:37:20 PM |
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rgeorge wrote:
Thank you for your post.
A wrongdoing child is disciplined because he is loved: "The one whom YHWH
loves he reproves, even as a father does a son in whom he finds pleasure." A
child may do many hateful acts, but the parent still loves his child. He
hates the wrong acts, but not his child, and he works for its recovery by
disciplining it. YHWH follows this course also. He does it where there is
hope for saving the sinful person. He knows that in so many cases it is
fleshly weakness that plunges the person into wrongdoing, that it is not
really what the person himself desires. Paul showed this aversion to sins he
himself committed: "For what I wish, this I do not practice; but what I hate
is what I do. But now the one working it out is no longer I, but sin that
resides in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there resides
nothing good; for ability to wish is present with me, but ability to work
out what is right is not present. For the good that I wish I do not do, but
the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. If, now, what I do not wish
is what I do, the one working it out is no longer I, but the sin dwelling in
me." Many wrongs persons commit are because of weakness, of environment, of
past circumstances in an unfortunate childhood, and do not express the true
person within at all. Some wrongs are committed in ignorance, and on coming
to knowledge the wrongdoer may possibly repent.-Prov. 3:12; Rom. 7:15,
17-20.
My bible is written in my heart
not in any book.
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| User: "Poster Boy" |
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09 Apr 2004 08:56:10 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:37:20 GMT, ~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~
<AMPUTEE@USED.COM> wrote:
rgeorge wrote:
Thank you for your post.
A wrongdoing child is disciplined because he is loved: "The one whom YHWH
loves he reproves, even as a father does a son in whom he finds pleasure." A
child may do many hateful acts, but the parent still loves his child. He
hates the wrong acts, but not his child, and he works for its recovery by
disciplining it. YHWH follows this course also. He does it where there is
hope for saving the sinful person. He knows that in so many cases it is
fleshly weakness that plunges the person into wrongdoing, that it is not
really what the person himself desires. Paul showed this aversion to sins he
himself committed: "For what I wish, this I do not practice; but what I hate
is what I do. But now the one working it out is no longer I, but sin that
resides in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there resides
nothing good; for ability to wish is present with me, but ability to work
out what is right is not present. For the good that I wish I do not do, but
the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. If, now, what I do not wish
is what I do, the one working it out is no longer I, but the sin dwelling in
me." Many wrongs persons commit are because of weakness, of environment, of
past circumstances in an unfortunate childhood, and do not express the true
person within at all. Some wrongs are committed in ignorance, and on coming
to knowledge the wrongdoer may possibly repent.-Prov. 3:12; Rom. 7:15,
17-20.
My bible is written in my heart
not in any book.
There are many people who do have no knowledge of logic. The only way
they have to judge truth is by "appeal to higher authority." Thus,
for example, they will say "X is true" because Mr. Jones said so, and
he is a librarian/minister/policeman/politician, etc.
These people are extremely vulnerable to radical evangelical
KKKultists who would exploit their naivete for their own personal
profit and gain of power. Witness Pat Robertson and Jerry Faltwell,
not to mention Jim Bakker and his ilk (although Jim Bakker has
repented and acknowledged he is unfit to preach, which puts him heads
above Robertson and Faltwell.)
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| User: "~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" |
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08 Apr 2004 08:15:02 PM |
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Poster Boy wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness. They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure fantasy
as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.
Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual ones
of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired answer
from God's own Word:
"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; but God
chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to
shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the
strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world and
the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to
nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the sight
of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.
Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.
Well that's all he's got.
Unlike Jesus,
fascist christians
parrot.
They have no real connection to the Living Spirit.
They are channelers of the Dead....
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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08 Apr 2004 08:51:26 PM |
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"~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" <AMPUTEE@USED.COM> wrote in message
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Poster Boy wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech
about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness.
They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice
everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from
the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure
fantasy
as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.
Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual
ones
of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired
answer
from God's own Word:
"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth;
but God
chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men
to
shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put
the
strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world
and
the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might
bring to
nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the
sight
of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.
Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.
Well that's all he's got.
Unlike Jesus,
fascist christians
parrot.
They have no real connection to the Living Spirit.
They are channelers of the Dead....
***1 Corinthians 2:11-13 ***
For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is
in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the
spirit of God. Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit
which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given
us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human
wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual
[matters] with spiritual [words].
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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09 Apr 2004 01:16:20 AM |
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For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is
in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the
spirit of God. Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit
which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given
us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human
wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual
[matters] with spiritual [words].
More worthless bible babble.
Just admit that you babbled ***** and stop making a fool of yourself
and what you claim as your faith.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 03:26:37 AM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man
that is
in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the
spirit of God. Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the
spirit
which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly
given
us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human
wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual
[matters] with spiritual [words].
More worthless bible babble.
Just admit that you babbled ***** and stop making a fool of yourself
and what you claim as your faith.
*** Proverbs 29:20 ***
Have you beheld a man hasty with his words? There is more hope for someone
stupid than for him.
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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09 Apr 2004 02:41:52 PM |
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More worthless bible babble.
*** Proverbs 29:20 *** [...]
I guess only a fundie understands why you sucker answer with more of
what I consider worthless. ;)
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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08 Apr 2004 08:47:53 PM |
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rgeorge wrote:
"~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~" <AMPUTEE@USED.COM> wrote in message
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Poster Boy wrote:
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech
about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness.
They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice
everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from
the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure
fantasy
as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.
Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual
ones
of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired
answer
from God's own Word:
"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth;
but God
chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men
to
shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put
the
strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world
and
the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might
bring to
nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the
sight
of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.
Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.
Well that's all he's got.
Unlike Jesus,
fascist christians
parrot.
They have no real connection to the Living Spirit.
They are channelers of the Dead....
***1 Corinthians 2:11-13 ***
For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is
in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the
spirit of God. Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit
which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given
us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human
wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual
[matters] with spiritual [words].
You reinforced my observation exactly.
blessings...
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10 Apr 2004 03:57:51 PM |
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~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~ wrote:
Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.
Well that's all he's got.
Unlike Jesus,
fascist christians
parrot.
They have no real connection to the Living Spirit.
They are channelers of the Dead....
***1 Corinthians 2:11-13 ***
For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is
in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the
spirit of God. Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit
which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given
us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human
wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual
[matters] with spiritual [words].
You reinforced my observation exactly.
and so predictable too.
blessings...
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Fritz
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Religion = tyranny.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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10 Apr 2004 03:08:33 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
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Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
snip
True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want to
please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation, he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise, a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.
There are only two errors in your presentation. Homosexuality is not
wrong. There is no evidence that Christianity has the benefits you
claim for it.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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08 Apr 2004 06:30:47 PM |
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rgeorge wrote:
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...
Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.
Mike
What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want to
please God.
Really, then how does a hermaphrodite born with both sexes
overcome being attracted to the same sex? They have both sexes,
anyone they would be attracted to would have the same sex.
And since God made them that way in his image and God cannot
create sin it is therefore you who is wrong.
Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation, he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise, a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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08 Apr 2004 07:44:07 PM |
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"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:4075E07D.7BE07212@Horn.uk...
rgeorge wrote:
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...
Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.
Mike
What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including
those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want
to
please God.
Really, then how does a hermaphrodite born with both sexes
overcome being attracted to the same sex? They have both sexes,
anyone they would be attracted to would have the same sex.
And since God made them that way in his image and God cannot
create sin it is therefore you who is wrong.
Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation,
he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise,
a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by
heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that
wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off
the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.
A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate person whose sex is ambiguous by birth.
Does this mean that God is to blame for all of those who suffer from various
disabilities? No. This would be out of harmony with God's personality. The
Bible tells us: "Every creation of God is fine." (1 Timothy 4:4) He is not
to blame if someone is born blind, speechless, or a hermaphrodite. He wants
only what is good for his creation, for he is the Source of "every good gift
and every perfect present."-James 1:17.
It was our first parents, Adam and Eve, who by their own choice rebelled
against God and lost their perfection and therefore their ability to produce
perfect children. (Genesis 3:1-6, 16, 19; Job 14:4) As their descendants
married and had children, more and more imperfections, including physical
defects, began to be manifest among humans.
Some psychiatrists and others, however, say that homosexuality cannot be
"cured," even by religious conversion. Very difficult, perhaps, but not
impossible. The apostle Paul showed this when he next said: "And yet that is
what some of you were. But you have been washed clean." (1 Corinthians 6:11)
So it was done by early Christians. And it has been done today. It will yet
be done by others who turn to YHWH for help: "For all things I have the
strength by virtue of him who imparts power to me." (Philippians 4:13)
Therefore, "strip off the old personality with its practices, and clothe
yourselves with the new personality, which through accurate knowledge is
being made new according to the image of the One who created it."-Colossians
3:9, 10.
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| User: "Southside of Scotland" |
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13 Apr 2004 08:38:15 AM |
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"rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<4075f1d6@news.comindico.com.au>...
A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate person whose sex is ambiguous by birth.
Does this mean that God is to blame for all of those who suffer from various
disabilities? No. This would be out of harmony with God's personality. The
Bible tells us: "Every creation of God is fine." (1 Timothy 4:4) He is not
to blame if someone is born blind, speechless, or a hermaphrodite. He wants
only what is good for his creation, for he is the Source of "every good gift
and every perfect present."-James 1:17.
It was our first parents, Adam and Eve, who by their own choice rebelled
against God and lost their perfection and therefore their ability to produce
perfect children. (Genesis 3:1-6, 16, 19; Job 14:4) As their descendants
married and had children, more and more imperfections, including physical
defects, began to be manifest among humans.
Some psychiatrists and others, however, say that homosexuality cannot be
"cured," even by religious conversion. Very difficult, perhaps, but not
impossible. The apostle Paul showed this when he next said: "And yet that is
what some of you were. But you have been washed clean." (1 Corinthians 6:11)
So it was done by early Christians. And it has been done today. It will yet
be done by others who turn to YHWH for help: "For all things I have the
strength by virtue of him who imparts power to me." (Philippians 4:13)
Therefore, "strip off the old personality with its practices, and clothe
yourselves with the new personality, which through accurate knowledge is
being made new according to the image of the One who created it."-Colossians
3:9, 10.
george george george of the bible
look out for that tree............
I've been wading through this thread, waiting to find at least one
original answer that you haven't lifted from a bibble, a several
thousand year book of fables of indeterminable origin that may or,
probably, may not chronicle the life of one j christ esq. (who didn't
die on the cross but went on to sire at least two children with Mary
Magdelene and live to a ripe old age of 70something).
So, do you have an original thought of your own, or is your mind
programmed to spurt out bibblecrap whenever you are asked a question.
That must make shopping an interesting experience.
Shop Assistant:- Do you need a hand with that shirt sir ?.
rgeorge:- '"strip off the old personality with its practices, and
clothe
yourselves with the new personality, which through accurate knowledge is
being made new according to the image of the One who created it."-Colossians
3:9, 10."
I'm gonna have to come shopping with you one day, it could prove to be
a most 'enlightening' experience. In the meantime, do you ever speak
of your own mind, or have you been soooooooooo brainwashed that you
can only quote from the bibble ?
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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09 Apr 2004 01:23:49 AM |
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A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate person whose sex is ambiguous by birth.
Does this mean that God is to blame for all of those who suffer from various
disabilities? No.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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09 Apr 2004 03:49:10 AM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c55fiv$2om9vu$2@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate person whose sex is ambiguous by
birth.
Does this mean that God is to blame for all of those who suffer from
various
disabilities? No.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever
followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream
"Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than
be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
The Bible assures us that the suffering we see around us is not caused by
YHWH God. For instance, the Christian disciple James wrote: "When under
trial, let no one say: 'I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God
cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." (James 1:13) That being so,
God could not have caused the numerous hardships plaguing mankind. He does
not bring trials upon people to make them fit for life in heaven, nor does
he make people suffer for evil deeds they supposedly committed in a past
life.-Romans 6:7.
In addition, even though many terrible things have been done in the name of
God or of Christ, there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that either of
them has ever approved of such actions. God and Christ have nothing to do
with those who claim to serve them but who cheat and swindle, kill and
plunder, and do many other things that cause human suffering. In fact, "the
way of the wicked one is something detestable to YHWH." God "is far away
from the wicked ones."-Proverbs 15:9, 29.
The Bible describes YHWH as being "very tender in affection and merciful."
(James 5:11) It proclaims that "YHWH is a lover of justice." (Psalm 37:28;
Isaiah 61:8) He is not vindictive. He compassionately cares for his
creatures and gives all of them what is best for their well-being. (Acts
14:16, 17) YHWH has done that from the very origin of life on the earth.
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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09 Apr 2004 02:48:44 PM |
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The Bible assures us that the suffering we see around us is not caused by
YHWH God. For instance, the Christian disciple James wrote: "When under
trial, let no one say: 'I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God
cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." (James 1:13)
You show again that 1. you are a coward who doesn't dare to speak for
himself and 2. you don't know ***** about your own faith's scripture.
The babble clearly states your gawd saying "I make good, and I create
evil". READ THE WHOLE BIBLE, coward.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 10:13:18 AM |
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rgeorge wrote:
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c55fiv$2om9vu$2@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate person whose sex is ambiguous by
birth.
Does this mean that God is to blame for all of those who suffer from
various
disabilities? No.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever
followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream
"Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than
be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
The Bible assures us that the suffering we see around us is not caused by
YHWH God.
Numbers 31:
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Genesis 16:9
And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress,
and submit thyself under her hands.
Jer. 19:9 I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and
daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the
stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek
their lives.
Ezek. 5:10 Therefore in your midst fathers will eat their
children, and children will eat their fathers. I will
inflict punishment on you and will scatter all your
survivors to the winds.
Lev. 26:24 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh
of your daughters.
Eze 4:12
And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt
bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
Isa 36:12
But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy
master and to thee to speak these words? [hath he] not
[sent me] to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may
eat their own dung, and drink their own ***** with you?
Luke 14:
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and
mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters,
yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 10:
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I
came not to send peace, but a sword
What you should do:
1 Peter 4
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as
an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Mat 6:
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when
thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and
thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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08 Apr 2004 11:22:21 PM |
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rgeorge wrote:
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:4075E07D.7BE07212@Horn.uk...
rgeorge wrote:
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...
Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.
Mike
What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including
those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want
to
please God.
Really, then how does a hermaphrodite born with both sexes
overcome being attracted to the same sex? They have both sexes,
anyone they would be attracted to would have the same sex.
And since God made them that way in his image and God cannot
create sin it is therefore you who is wrong.
Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation,
he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise,
a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by
heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that
wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off
the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.
A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate person whose sex is ambiguous by birth.
Does this mean that God is to blame for all of those who suffer from various
disabilities? No. This would be out of harmony with God's personality. The
Bible tells us: "Every creation of God is fine." (1 Timothy 4:4) He is not
to blame if someone is born blind, speechless, or a hermaphrodite. He wants
only what is good for his creation, for he is the Source of "every good gift
and every perfect present."-James 1:17.
Thanks for proving God does not exist. Either God makes
everything or he make nothing at all.
It was our first parents, Adam and Eve, who by their own choice rebelled
against God and lost their perfection and therefore their ability to produce
perfect children. (Genesis 3:1-6, 16, 19; Job 14:4) As their descendants
married and had children, more and more imperfections, including physical
defects, began to be manifest among humans.
Some psychiatrists and others, however, say that homosexuality cannot be
"cured," even by religious conversion.
It is impossible to cure a homosexual, by definition if they
were to switch sides by definition they would be bisexuals,
and bisexual just switch sides, now stop lying.
Very difficult, perhaps, but not
impossible. The apostle Paul showed this when he next said: "And yet that is
what some of you were. But you have been washed clean." (1 Corinthians 6:11)
You are lying ! ! They were mixing the fertility god religions with
the worship of god in his houses.
Matthew Henry Commentary
1 Cor 6:
I. The body is not for fornication, but for the Lord. This is the
first argument he uses against this sin, for which the heathen
inhabitants of Corinth were infamous, and the converts to Christianity
retained too favourable an opinion of it. It is making things to cross
their intention and use. The body is not for fornication; it was never
formed for any such purpose, but for the Lord, for the service
and honour of God. It is to be an instrument of righteousness to
holiness (Rom. vi. 19), and therefore is never to be made an
instrument of uncleanness. It is to be a member of Christ, and
therefore must not be made the member of a harlot, v. 15. And
the Lord is for the body, that is, as some think, Christ is to be Lord
of the body, to have property in it and dominion over it, having
assumed a body and been made to partake of our nature, that he
might be head of his church, and head over all things, Heb. ii. 5, 18.
Note, We must take care that we do not use what belongs to
Christ as if it were our own, and much less to his dishonour.
Corinth
Paul's epistle to the Corinthians shows that divisions had
sprung up in the Christian church. The congregation had
preferred showy, ecstatic gifts of the spirit such as
speaking in tongues, the celibate life, eating meat offered
to idols. Christian freedom was the theme against
self-righteous legalism. I Corinthians was written by Paul
from Ephesus in the spring of 55 and the second epistle about
two years later. First Corinthians was a failure for it did
not accomplish the main purpose for which it was written.
The factions in the church of Corinth, so far from putting
aside their differences and blending harmoniously into a
unified church life, shifted just enough to unite all who
for any reason objected to Paul and then faced him and each
other more rancorously than ever. The chief characteristic
of Paul's second letter is its boldness. So far from
apologizing for himself, he boasts and glories in his
authority, his endowments, and his achievements.
A wide open city, Corinth was famous for wealth and vice.
In earlier centuries Corinth was known for the temple of
Aphrodite, the goddess of love, which was served by cult
prostitutes. The Temple of Aphrodite with its thousands of
priestess prostitutes gave license to sensual revelry and
sexual immorality, the "Corinthian Girls" were harlots.
The word "Corinthian" is still used for one wholly given
to dissipation and debauchery. Long after the temple had
been destroyed by the Romans (146 BC) the city’s reputation
for immorality lingered. Yet in this predominately pagan
city, Paul founded his most successful church.
The temple was at the summit of Acrocorinth and at the
center of the city stood the marketplace, with its bronze
statue of Athena and the temple of Apollo. Its riches
produced pride, ostentation, effeminacy, and all the vices
generally consequent on plenty. Lasciviousness was not
only tolerated but consecrated here by the worship of
Venus and the notorious prostitution of numerous attendants
devoted to her.
http://latter-rain.com/background/corinth.htm
So it was done by early Christians. And it has been done today.
Stop lying, that is impossible by definiton.
It will yet
be done by others who turn to YHWH for help: "For all things I have the
strength by virtue of him who imparts power to me." (Philippians 4:13)
Therefore, "strip off the old personality with its practices, and clothe
yourselves with the new personality, which through accurate knowledge is
being made new according to the image of the One who created it."-Colossians
3:9, 10.
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 12:40:41 AM |
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"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:407624D0.E3CDD186@Horn.uk...
rgeorge wrote:
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:4075E07D.7BE07212@Horn.uk...
rgeorge wrote:
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...
Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let
your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the
stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.
Mike
What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse
mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires,
including
those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly
want
to
please God.
Really, then how does a hermaphrodite born with both sexes
overcome being attracted to the same sex? They have both sexes,
anyone they would be attracted to would have the same sex.
And since God made them that way in his image and God cannot
create sin it is therefore you who is wrong.
Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will,
the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to
develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper
motivation,
he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard.
Likewise,
a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by
heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual
practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking
that
wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of
the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip
off
the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the
new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.
A hermaphrodite is an unfortunate person whose sex is ambiguous by
birth.
Does this mean that God is to blame for all of those who suffer from
various
disabilities? No. This would be out of harmony with God's personality.
The
Bible tells us: "Every creation of God is fine." (1 Timothy 4:4) He is
not
to blame if someone is born blind, speechless, or a hermaphrodite. He
wants
only what is good for his creation, for he is the Source of "every good
gift
and every perfect present."-James 1:17.
Thanks for proving God does not exist. Either God makes
everything or he make nothing at all.
All of YHWH's works are perfect; he is not the author of unrighteousness; so
he did not create anyone wicked. (Deut. 32:4; Ps. 5:4)
For example, the one who became Satan was originally a perfect spirit son of
God. When saying that the Devil "did not stand fast in the truth," Jesus
indicated that at one time that one was "in the truth." (John 8:44) But, as
is true of all of God's intelligent creatures, this spirit son was endowed
with free will. He abused his freedom of choice, allowed feelings of
self-importance to develop in his heart, began to crave worship that
belonged only to God, and so enticed Adam and Eve to listen to him rather
than obey God. Thus by his course of action he made himself Satan, which
means "adversary."-Jas. 1:14, 15;
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 01:24:52 AM |
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All of YHWH's works are perfect; he is not the author of unrighteousness; so
he did not create anyone wicked. (Deut. 32:4; Ps. 5:4)
--
TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE A (CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALIST
(found on www.evilbible.com)
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of
gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when
someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists
say that people evolved from other life forms, but you
have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were
created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem
believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the
"atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even
flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all
the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the
elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" --
including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and
Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have
no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated
Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little
loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth
(4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with
believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting
in their tents and guessing that Earth is a couple of
generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet
with the exception of those who share your beliefs --
though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend
Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet
consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and
physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot
rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be
all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it
comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be
evidence that prayer works. And you think that the
remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and
agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church
history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 03:44:46 AM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c55fj0$2om9vu$3@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
All of YHWH's works are perfect; he is not the author of
unrighteousness; so
he did not create anyone wicked. (Deut. 32:4; Ps. 5:4)
--
TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE A (CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALIST
(found on www.evilbible.com)
10 - You vigorously | | | | | | |
