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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bob Baxter" |
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08 Apr 2004 04:49:55 PM |
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Homosexuality is WRONG |
Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:
Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.
Mike
What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
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| User: "Triffid" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
10 Apr 2004 07:53:00 PM |
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Oh FFS. Do you sad losers know what you look like to the outside world? One
simple troll and you're burying yourselves in Sanscrit. Get a grip.
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| User: "Clive Boone" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
10 Apr 2004 08:06:13 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:53:00 +0000 (UTC), "Triffid"
<punter1@btspamworld.com> wrote:
Oh FFS. Do you sad losers know what you look like to the outside world? One
simple troll and you're burying yourselves in Sanscrit. Get a grip.
Oh FFS, another well known rent boy ***** rears his ugly, AIDS
infested head.
Are you still not responding to AZT, bumboi?
Soon you will die, and that's God's punishment to you for being a
homo.
May you rot in hell.
--
Clive B
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| User: "Southside of Scotland" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
15 Apr 2004 06:56:18 AM |
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Clive Boone <sue838993@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<3df680a2970fe6c285d65ee005ccac94@news.teranews.com>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:53:00 +0000 (UTC), "Triffid"
<punter1@btspamworld.com> wrote:
Oh FFS. Do you sad losers know what you look like to the outside world? One
simple troll and you're burying yourselves in Sanscrit. Get a grip.
Oh FFS, another well known rent boy ***** rears his ugly, AIDS
infested head.
Are you still not responding to AZT, bumboi?
Soon you will die, and that's God's punishment to you for being a
homo.
May you rot in hell.
Such a kind, caring and loving message, you're obviously a died in the
wool christian.
Whatever happened to 'love they neibour as thyself' or didn't you get
to that bit yet?
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
15 Apr 2004 08:50:42 AM |
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"Southside of Scotland" <ethelthrogmorton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7f288f0.0404150356.10bce52a@posting.google.com...
Clive Boone <sue838993@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:<3df680a2970fe6c285d65ee005ccac94@news.teranews.com>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:53:00 +0000 (UTC), "Triffid"
<punter1@btspamworld.com> wrote:
Oh FFS. Do you sad losers know what you look like to the outside world?
One
simple troll and you're burying yourselves in Sanscrit. Get a grip.
Oh FFS, another well known rent boy ***** rears his ugly, AIDS
infested head.
Are you still not responding to AZT, bumboi?
Soon you will die, and that's God's punishment to you for being a
homo.
May you rot in hell.
Such a kind, caring and loving message, you're obviously a died in the
wool christian.
Whatever happened to 'love they neibour as thyself' or didn't you get
to that bit yet?
Brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it? Christian love in full bloom....
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
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| User: "Poster Boy" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
15 Apr 2004 10:35:12 AM |
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On 15 Apr 2004 04:56:18 -0700, (Southside
of Scotland) wrote:
Clive Boone <sue838993@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<3df680a2970fe6c285d65ee005ccac94@news.teranews.com>...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:53:00 +0000 (UTC), "Triffid"
<punter1@btspamworld.com> wrote:
Oh FFS. Do you sad losers know what you look like to the outside world? One
simple troll and you're burying yourselves in Sanscrit. Get a grip.
Oh FFS, another well known rent boy ***** rears his ugly, AIDS
infested head.
Are you still not responding to AZT, bumboi?
Soon you will die, and that's God's punishment to you for being a
homo.
May you rot in hell.
Such a kind, caring and loving message, you're obviously a died in the
wool christian.
Whatever happened to 'love they neibour as thyself' or didn't you get
to that bit yet?
He must be a fundie. To borrow one of their own lines, they aren't
real Christians.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
10 Apr 2004 09:44:50 PM |
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Triffid wrote:
Oh FFS. Do you sad losers know what you look like to the outside world? One
simple troll and you're burying yourselves in Sanscrit. Get a grip.
The more light that shines on the USA the better, bigots are like
the iris, the more light that is shined on them the littler they become.
Unfortunately the USA censors all communication from the outside
world (kind of like Russia did) so they never hear any of the
criticism of the USA.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
08 Apr 2004 05:34:09 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
08 Apr 2004 06:26:32 PM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
It is impossible for the bible to say one word on homosexuality they
had no such concept at the time the bible was written.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler. The Bible
knows nothing of the existence of homosexual people. No doubt
there were such people in the ancient world and others would
have had the experience of engaging with them, but they were
blind to their existence as 'homosexually orientated people'
because they did not yet have the concept of 'exclusive
homosexual orientation' with which to order their raw
experiences."
"Without the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually orientated
person' it is therefore an impossibility for biblical writers
to refer explicitly to or claim to know actual people who filled
that concept. Even if they experienced them, they were blind to
the existence of exclusive homosexual identity. There can
therefore be no biblical text consciously directed at
'homosexually orientated people' as a distinct sub-class of
humans. The biblical authors cannot even have dreamed of such a
thing for the Bible does not work with the mid-nineteenth century
distinction between homosexuals and heterosexuals. In ancient
days it was simply a matter of working with the assumed concept
of the undifferentiated heterosexuality of males and females."
By Dr Carnley who is a Cambridge PhD, and Archbishop of Perth
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
08 Apr 2004 11:58:24 PM |
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"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:4075DF7F.9E7C73BC@Horn.uk...
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
It is impossible for the bible to say one word on homosexuality they
had no such concept at the time the bible was written.
Actually, it does mention homosexuality, and of course they had a concept of
it, it's a part of all human populations, but why should we accept the
bigotry of ancient, ignorant nomads as the height of moral guidance?
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 10:03:30 AM |
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Sara Brum wrote:
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:4075DF7F.9E7C73BC@Horn.uk...
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
It is impossible for the bible to say one word on homosexuality they
had no such concept at the time the bible was written.
Actually, it does mention homosexuality, and of course they had a concept of
it, it's a part of all human populations, but why should we accept the
bigotry of ancient, ignorant nomads as the height of moral guidance?
Good question. We look at superstician like "walking under a ladder is
bad luck" and yet we have people willing to run around claiming that
somehow a homosexual relation is going to bring the end of the world.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 05:01:14 PM |
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Sara Brum wrote:
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:4075DF7F.9E7C73BC@Horn.uk...
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
It is impossible for the bible to say one word on homosexuality they
had no such concept at the time the bible was written.
Actually, it does mention homosexuality,
Hardly, it mentions two heterosexuals having sex to give seed to
the fertility gods Baal-Molech and Venus. Which is idolatry, not
homosexuality. They were not homosexuals.
The rituals performed in Ugaritic worship involved a great deal
of alcohol and sexual promiscuity. Worship at Ugarit was
essentially a drunken orgy in which priests and worshippers
indulged in excessive drinking and excessive sexuality. This
because the worshippers were attempting to convince Baal
to send rain on their crops. Since rain and semen were seen
in the ancient world as the same thing (as both produced fruit),
it simply makes sense that participants in fertility religion
behaved this way.
http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm
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Baal; Melek (D. V. Moloch, A.V. Molech) In several shrines long trains
of priests, distributed into several classes and clad in special attire
performed the sacred function; ... the immoral practices indulged in at
several shrines in honour of the Baal as male of reproduction, and
of his mate Asherah (D.V. Astarthe, A. V. Ashtaroth).
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02175a.htm
and of course they had a concept of
it,
Why would they, a man must marry a woman by 25 like it or not.
The definition of a homosexual is one exclusively attracted to the
same sex, they had no such relationships to base this concept
upon. A man always had a wife no matter who he like to have
sex with.
it's a part of all human populations,
And circles are abundant everywhere in nature and all societies,
that don't mean they had a concept of a zero.
but why should we accept the
bigotry of ancient, ignorant nomads as the height of moral guidance?
It cannot be immoral if they had no concept of it.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler. The Bible
knows nothing of the existence of homosexual people. No doubt
there were such people in the ancient world and others would
have had the experience of engaging with them, but they were
blind to their existence as 'homosexually orientated people'
because they did not yet have the concept of 'exclusive
homosexual orientation' with which to order their raw
experiences."
"Without the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually orientated
person' it is therefore an impossibility for biblical writers
to refer explicitly to or claim to know actual people who filled
that concept. Even if they experienced them, they were blind to
the existence of exclusive homosexual identity. There can
therefore be no biblical text consciously directed at
'homosexually orientated people' as a distinct sub-class of
humans. The biblical authors cannot even have dreamed of such a
thing for the Bible does not work with the mid-nineteenth century
distinction between homosexuals and heterosexuals. In ancient
days it was simply a matter of working with the assumed concept
of the undifferentiated heterosexuality of males and females."
By Dr Carnley who is a Cambridge PhD, and Archbishop of Perth
It is hard to imagine but true that at one time there was no such
thing as the concept of a gay identity. It was the 1860s and
political activity by Ulrichs and Kertbeny to remove criminal
stigma from such behavior that was the impetus for the invention
of the homosexual.
By Warren Throckmorton, PhD, July 2, 2003
" Instead, Halperin argues that the concept of distinct sexual
orientation implied by words like "homosexual" or "gay"
developed only in the last hundred years; therefore, these
concepts do not describe pre-modern same-sex experiences."
"In his Preface, Nissinen says that, as he undertook his research,
he soon had to face the problem that sources that go back two
or three millennia do not fit modern categories. Whether the
texts I studied were biblical or Jewish, Assyrian, Greek, or
Roman, the term 'homosexuality' was absent from them and the
concept alien."
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| User: "Kronk" |
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09 Apr 2004 01:52:03 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
K.
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| User: "Matt" |
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09 Apr 2004 10:05:30 AM |
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Kronk wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
True. The one that would be interesting is the part called "sayings of
Jesus" which apparently has the word for word, exact things Jesus said
and IIRC it was recorded by James.
The fact is, these were left out because they didn't fit into the grand
agenda set down by Rome, Paul and a few other disciples.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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09 Apr 2004 05:07:14 PM |
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Kronk wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
Well the bible is very clear on that (in the same context the
christians used, none).
Exodus 22:
29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
unto me.
Mark 10:
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch
them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto
them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not:
for of such is the kingdom of God.
1 King 17:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried
unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's
soul come into him again.
John 6:
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured
at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 13:
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples,
whom Jesus loved.
Philippians 1:
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in
the bowels of Jesus Christ.
Philemon 1:
20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh
my bowels in the Lord.
Job 31:
31 If the men of my tabernacle said not, Oh that we had of his
flesh! we cannot be satisfied.
Song 5:
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my
bowels were moved for him.
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| User: "Liberal with an Attitude" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
09 Apr 2004 05:15:16 PM |
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Daniel Horn wrote:
Kronk wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
Well the bible is very clear on that (in the same context the
christians used, none).
Exodus 22:
29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
unto me.
Mark 10:
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch
them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto
them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not:
for of such is the kingdom of God.
1 King 17:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried
unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's
soul come into him again.
John 6:
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured
at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 13:
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples,
whom Jesus loved.
Philippians 1:
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in
the bowels of Jesus Christ.
Philemon 1:
20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh
my bowels in the Lord.
Job 31:
31 If the men of my tabernacle said not, Oh that we had of his
flesh! we cannot be satisfied.
Song 5:
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my
bowels were moved for him.
What about Condolezzie Rice?
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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10 Apr 2004 02:55:49 PM |
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Liberal with an Attitude wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Kronk wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
Well the bible is very clear on that (in the same context the
christians used, none).
Exodus 22:
29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
unto me.
Mark 10:
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch
them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto
them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not:
for of such is the kingdom of God.
1 King 17:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried
unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's
soul come into him again.
John 6:
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured
at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 13:
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples,
whom Jesus loved.
Philippians 1:
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in
the bowels of Jesus Christ.
Philemon 1:
20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh
my bowels in the Lord.
Job 31:
31 If the men of my tabernacle said not, Oh that we had of his
flesh! we cannot be satisfied.
Song 5:
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my
bowels were moved for him.
What about Condolezzie Rice?
Busho the clown's dancing dog, who speaks on command, arf arf.
Here is Bush's favorite verse for her.
Song 1:
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents
of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath
looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they
made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard
have I not kept.
While in South Carolina Bush went and spoke at Bob Jones
University. Bob Jones University is a university that
forbids its students from inter-racial dating. In South
Carolina by speaking at Bob Jones University he was
reaffirming to the southerners Reagan's stance. Bob Jones
represents one of Reagan's early signs of being antiblack.
Reagan fought to revoke the Internal Revenue Service's
authority to deny charitable tax exemptions to the school.
The denial was over the school's ban on interracial dating.
"The fact is that the GOP is still the only place where a klansman
can feel at home."
---David Duke, 2002
Bush's Louisiana campaign chairman, Gov. Mike Foster, was
fined $20,000 for purchasing mailing lists from Klansman
David Duke, an act Bush has yet to publicly comment on
despite repeated inquiries from the press.
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| User: "Matt" |
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11 Apr 2004 10:49:38 AM |
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Daniel Horn wrote:
Liberal with an Attitude wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Kronk wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
Well the bible is very clear on that (in the same context the
christians used, none).
Exodus 22:
29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
unto me.
Mark 10:
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch
them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto
them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not:
for of such is the kingdom of God.
1 King 17:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried
unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's
soul come into him again.
John 6:
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured
at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 13:
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples,
whom Jesus loved.
Philippians 1:
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in
the bowels of Jesus Christ.
Philemon 1:
20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh
my bowels in the Lord.
Job 31:
31 If the men of my tabernacle said not, Oh that we had of his
flesh! we cannot be satisfied.
Song 5:
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my
bowels were moved for him.
What about Condolezzie Rice?
Busho the clown's dancing dog, who speaks on command, arf arf.
Here is Bush's favorite verse for her.
Song 1:
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents
of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath
looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they
made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard
have I not kept.
While in South Carolina Bush went and spoke at Bob Jones
University. Bob Jones University is a university that
forbids its students from inter-racial dating. In South
Carolina by speaking at Bob Jones University he was
reaffirming to the southerners Reagan's stance. Bob Jones
represents one of Reagan's early signs of being antiblack.
Reagan fought to revoke the Internal Revenue Service's
authority to deny charitable tax exemptions to the school.
The denial was over the school's ban on interracial dating.
How on earth does a university ban inter-racial dating? what do think
these students are? children?
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.
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| User: "Poster Boy" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
11 Apr 2004 11:28:13 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:49:38 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Liberal with an Attitude wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Kronk wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
Well the bible is very clear on that (in the same context the
christians used, none).
Exodus 22:
29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
unto me.
Mark 10:
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch
them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto
them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not:
for of such is the kingdom of God.
1 King 17:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried
unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's
soul come into him again.
John 6:
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured
at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 13:
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples,
whom Jesus loved.
Philippians 1:
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in
the bowels of Jesus Christ.
Philemon 1:
20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh
my bowels in the Lord.
Job 31:
31 If the men of my tabernacle said not, Oh that we had of his
flesh! we cannot be satisfied.
Song 5:
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my
bowels were moved for him.
What about Condolezzie Rice?
Busho the clown's dancing dog, who speaks on command, arf arf.
Here is Bush's favorite verse for her.
Song 1:
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents
of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath
looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they
made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard
have I not kept.
While in South Carolina Bush went and spoke at Bob Jones
University. Bob Jones University is a university that
forbids its students from inter-racial dating. In South
Carolina by speaking at Bob Jones University he was
reaffirming to the southerners Reagan's stance. Bob Jones
represents one of Reagan's early signs of being antiblack.
Reagan fought to revoke the Internal Revenue Service's
authority to deny charitable tax exemptions to the school.
The denial was over the school's ban on interracial dating.
How on earth does a university ban inter-racial dating? what do think
these students are? children?
Apparently they don't do it any more. But they used to just expel
anybody who violated any of their long list of prohibitions. They
could get away with it because they were private, but the argument was
that they should then not be permitted any federal funding or certain
tax breaks. There are other schools like this: Jerry Falwell's
Liberty University in Lynchburg VA (nice name, eh?) and the Great
Satan Pat Robertson's school, also in VA. Fundie schools.
.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
11 Apr 2004 08:17:01 PM |
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Poster Boy wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:49:38 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Liberal with an Attitude wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Kronk wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:26:32 GMT, Daniel Horn <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:49:55 GMT, Bob Baxter <whome@drededspam.com>
thought hard and said:
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
Substantiate your claims, Bob. Oh, and you cannot use the Bible
either.
And that is because there is not one word in the bible on homosexuality.
Some wonder if that might be because those bits were removed:
http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm
Well the bible is very clear on that (in the same context the
christians used, none).
Exodus 22:
29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
unto me.
Mark 10:
13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch
them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto
them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not:
for of such is the kingdom of God.
1 King 17:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried
unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's
soul come into him again.
John 6:
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured
at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 13:
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples,
whom Jesus loved.
Philippians 1:
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in
the bowels of Jesus Christ.
Philemon 1:
20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh
my bowels in the Lord.
Job 31:
31 If the men of my tabernacle said not, Oh that we had of his
flesh! we cannot be satisfied.
Song 5:
4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my
bowels were moved for him.
What about Condolezzie Rice?
Busho the clown's dancing dog, who speaks on command, arf arf.
Here is Bush's favorite verse for her.
Song 1:
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents
of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath
looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they
made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard
have I not kept.
While in South Carolina Bush went and spoke at Bob Jones
University. Bob Jones University is a university that
forbids its students from inter-racial dating. In South
Carolina by speaking at Bob Jones University he was
reaffirming to the southerners Reagan's stance. Bob Jones
represents one of Reagan's early signs of being antiblack.
Reagan fought to revoke the Internal Revenue Service's
authority to deny charitable tax exemptions to the school.
The denial was over the school's ban on interracial dating.
How on earth does a university ban inter-racial dating? what do think
these students are? children?
Apparently they don't do it any more.
Well that can be debated:
Interracial Dating and Marriage
Does the University believe that those who choose interracial
marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe,
however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism
toward God because they are often the same entities that promote
homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.
Catholicism
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines of Scripture,
which places it at odds with papal edict, justly qualify it to be
described as "haters of Catholics"? Absolutely not!
Lynching Niggers
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines that taking
a black to the nearest tree and giving him a long drop on a short
rope is a bad thing. Absolutely not!
Ok the last one was a bit, I say a bit, made up.
http://www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/fresponse.html
But they used to just expel
anybody who violated any of their long list of prohibitions. They
could get away with it because they were private, but the argument was
that they should then not be permitted any federal funding or certain
tax breaks. There are other schools like this: Jerry Falwell's
Liberty University in Lynchburg VA (nice name, eh?) and the Great
Satan Pat Robertson's school, also in VA. Fundie schools.
.
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
11 Apr 2004 10:52:37 PM |
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Well that can be debated:
Interracial Dating and Marriage
Does the University believe that those who choose interracial
marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe,
however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism
toward God because they are often the same entities that promote
homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.
Catholicism
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines of Scripture,
which places it at odds with papal edict, justly qualify it to be
described as "haters of Catholics"? Absolutely not!
Lynching Niggers
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines that taking
a black to the nearest tree and giving him a long drop on a short
rope is a bad thing. Absolutely not!
Ok the last one was a bit, I say a bit, made up.
http://www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/fresponse.html
Just had a look, and their view on Catholicism is warped at best, but of
course, like like so-called "christians", they couldn't get a job so
they thought they might as well become a minister, earn a few bob via
the collection plate and scream the same crap over and over and over
again each week.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
11 Apr 2004 11:49:10 PM |
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Matt wrote:
Well that can be debated:
Interracial Dating and Marriage
Does the University believe that those who choose interracial
marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe,
however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism
toward God because they are often the same entities that promote
homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.
Catholicism
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines of Scripture,
which places it at odds with papal edict, justly qualify it to be
described as "haters of Catholics"? Absolutely not!
Lynching Niggers
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines that taking
a black to the nearest tree and giving him a long drop on a short
rope is a bad thing. Absolutely not!
Ok the last one was a bit, I say a bit, made up.
http://www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/fresponse.html
Just had a look, and their view on Catholicism is warped at best, but of
course, like like so-called "christians", they couldn't get a job so
they thought they might as well become a minister, earn a few bob via
the collection plate and scream the same crap over and over and over
again each week.
It disgusts me to think I was born in a country that even tolerates
this kind of institution without running them all out of town on a rail,
let alone that Ronald Reagan fought as hard as he could to force
the IRS to give them back their tax exempt status, and took it all
the way to the US Supreme Court in 1983 in support of them.
Then Bush Jr. went to this University to give a speech as well
as Ashcroft.
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
12 Apr 2004 01:07:06 AM |
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Daniel Horn wrote:
Matt wrote:
Well that can be debated:
Interracial Dating and Marriage
Does the University believe that those who choose interracial
marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe,
however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism
toward God because they are often the same entities that promote
homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.
Catholicism
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines of Scripture,
which places it at odds with papal edict, justly qualify it to be
described as "haters of Catholics"? Absolutely not!
Lynching Niggers
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines that taking
a black to the nearest tree and giving him a long drop on a short
rope is a bad thing. Absolutely not!
Ok the last one was a bit, I say a bit, made up.
http://www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/fresponse.html
Just had a look, and their view on Catholicism is warped at best, but of
course, like like so-called "christians", they couldn't get a job so
they thought they might as well become a minister, earn a few bob via
the collection plate and scream the same crap over and over and over
again each week.
It disgusts me to think I was born in a country that even tolerates
this kind of institution without running them all out of town on a rail,
let alone that Ronald Reagan fought as hard as he could to force
the IRS to give them back their tax exempt status, and took it all
the way to the US Supreme Court in 1983 in support of them.
Then Bush Jr. went to this University to give a speech as well
as Ashcroft.
Hence the reason why there are none of these types of places in
Australia and New Zealand. We have a clear divide.
You are either a Protestant/Church of England or a Catholic, if you want
to learn theology; which covers Christianity/Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism
(sister took several theology based subjects that would go hand in hand
with the art history major she is studying), you enrol into a university
course that offers that subject, if you want to become a minister, you
enter a seminary where you can either train for around 4 years and
become a priest or 7 years to become a Jesuit Brother.
Universities are fiercely secular, you're quite welcome to practice you
religion at university via the prayer groups that are setup by the local
student union, just don't expect the university to adopt your religion
and offer special courses around your religion.
Another thing with Universities in NZ, we don't have things like
"fraternities", "college football teams", "chair leaders" and other
associated crap. You're there to study and possibly make some friends,
that is it. Want to play a sport? join a local sports club.
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
12 Apr 2004 06:29:12 PM |
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Matt wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Matt wrote:
Well that can be debated:
Interracial Dating and Marriage
Does the University believe that those who choose interracial
marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe,
however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism
toward God because they are often the same entities that promote
homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.
Catholicism
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines of Scripture,
which places it at odds with papal edict, justly qualify it to be
described as "haters of Catholics"? Absolutely not!
Lynching Niggers
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines that taking
a black to the nearest tree and giving him a long drop on a short
rope is a bad thing. Absolutely not!
Ok the last one was a bit, I say a bit, made up.
http://www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/fresponse.html
Just had a look, and their view on Catholicism is warped at best, but of
course, like like so-called "christians", they couldn't get a job so
they thought they might as well become a minister, earn a few bob via
the collection plate and scream the same crap over and over and over
again each week.
It disgusts me to think I was born in a country that even tolerates
this kind of institution without running them all out of town on a rail,
let alone that Ronald Reagan fought as hard as he could to force
the IRS to give them back their tax exempt status, and took it all
the way to the US Supreme Court in 1983 in support of them.
Then Bush Jr. went to this University to give a speech as well
as Ashcroft.
Hence the reason why there are none of these types of places in
Australia and New Zealand. We have a clear divide.
You are either a Protestant/Church of England or a Catholic, if you want
to learn theology; which covers Christianity/Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism
(sister took several theology based subjects that would go hand in hand
with the art history major she is studying), you enrol into a university
course that offers that subject, if you want to become a minister, you
enter a seminary where you can either train for around 4 years and
become a priest or 7 years to become a Jesuit Brother.
In the USA you pay $10 on the internet and bang you are a pastor.
You can start marrying people, start filling other's head with your
ignorance of the bible, and make lots of money doing it.
Universities are fiercely secular, you're quite welcome to practice you
religion at university via the prayer groups that are setup by the local
student union, just don't expect the university to adopt your religion
and offer special courses around your religion.
Another thing with Universities in NZ, we don't have things like
"fraternities", "college football teams", "chair leaders" and other
associated crap. You're there to study and possibly make some friends,
that is it. Want to play a sport? join a local sports club.
You mean students go to college in NZ to actually learn, what's
up with that. How can you run a society if everyone is actually
educated, without fraternities no one is drunk all the time, without
football, jocks have to actually do school work, and without out
cheer leaders you have no hooters to look at all day. If everyone
is educated who is going to believe all the crap Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell says? No, no, it just wouldn't work here.
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| User: "The_other_Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
12 Apr 2004 07:43:11 PM |
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"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:407B232D.4F66FC0B@Horn.uk...
Matt wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Matt wrote:
Well that can be debated:
Interracial Dating and Marriage
Does the University believe that those who choose interracial
marriage do so out of rebellion against God? No. It does believe,
however, that often the promoters of it do so out of antagonism
toward God because they are often the same entities that promote
homosexuality, abortion, and other forms of social radicalism.
Catholicism
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines of Scripture,
which places it at odds with papal edict, justly qualify it to be
described as "haters of Catholics"? Absolutely not!
Lynching Niggers
Does Bob Jones University's stand upon the doctrines that taking
a black to the nearest tree and giving him a long drop on a short
rope is a bad thing. Absolutely not!
Ok the last one was a bit, I say a bit, made up.
http://www.bju.edu/aboutbju/special_articles/response/fresponse.html
Just had a look, and their view on Catholicism is warped at best, but
of
course, like like so-called "christians", they couldn't get a job so
they thought they might as well become a minister, earn a few bob via
the collection plate and scream the same crap over and over and over
again each week.
It disgusts me to think I was born in a country that even tolerates
this kind of institution without running them all out of town on a
rail,
let alone that Ronald Reagan fought as hard as he could to force
the IRS to give them back their tax exempt status, and took it all
the way to the US Supreme Court in 1983 in support of them.
Then Bush Jr. went to this University to give a speech as well
as Ashcroft.
Hence the reason why there are none of these types of places in
Australia and New Zealand. We have a clear divide.
You are either a Protestant/Church of England or a Catholic, if you want
to learn theology; which covers Christianity/Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism
(sister took several theology based subjects that would go hand in hand
with the art history major she is studying), you enrol into a university
course that offers that subject, if you want to become a minister, you
enter a seminary where you can either train for around 4 years and
become a priest or 7 years to become a Jesuit Brother.
In the USA you pay $10 on the internet and bang you are a pastor.
You can start marrying people, start filling other's head with your
ignorance of the bible, and make lots of money doing it.
Hell, I'm an ATHEIST and I became an ordained minister for free. I've
performed two weddings: one for my nephew and another for one of my
firefighters.
I did it out of spite....but then again, I know more about Biblical *****
than most christers.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
13 Apr 2004 12:15:27 AM |
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The_other_Donald wrote:
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:407B232D.4F66FC0B@Horn.uk...
Matt wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Matt wrote:
<snip 2 the point>
Hell, I'm an ATHEIST and I became an ordained minister for free. I've
performed two weddings: one for my nephew and another for one of my
firefighters.
Hush now. Next things you will have a passel of fundies making their
tedious claims that atheism is a religion and point to you as one of its
"ordained ministers".
I did it out of spite....but then again, I know more about Biblical *****
than most christers.
Funny thing that... in all of the USEnet debates I have seen, the
"Christian" homophobes seem to be abysmally ignorant of their Bible
while the atheists/agnostics are often the ones with the most detailed
knowledge of the scriptures.
<sig snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
13 Apr 2004 01:45:03 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
news:GHKec.26567$kc2.374005@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
The_other_Donald wrote:
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:407B232D.4F66FC0B@Horn.uk...
Matt wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Matt wrote:
<snip 2 the point>
Hell, I'm an ATHEIST and I became an ordained minister for free. I've
performed two weddings: one for my nephew and another for one of my
firefighters.
Hush now. Next things you will have a passel of fundies making their
tedious claims that atheism is a religion and point to you as one of its
"ordained ministers".
I hold services every Sunday......
......Church of Hank Williams. We congregate in my boat on Lake Travis, and
receive communion from Miller Brewing Company.
I did it out of spite....but then again, I know more about Biblical
*****
than most christers.
Funny thing that... in all of the USEnet debates I have seen, the
"Christian" homophobes seem to be abysmally ignorant of their Bible
while the atheists/agnostics are often the ones with the most detailed
knowledge of the scriptures.
Even with what I've learned, I've watched a lot of Atheists that actually
have studied scriptures to the point of knowing the various meanings on
their original languages.
Watching that sort of knowledge being used to decimate some poor,
19-year-old fundy is rather sad. It's like watching Mike Tyson beat up a
drunk. Granted, they deserve it, but it's almost a waste of superior
firepower.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
<sig snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "Poster Boy" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
13 Apr 2004 01:58:49 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:45:03 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@yehaw2.com> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
news:GHKec.26567$kc2.374005@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
The_other_Donald wrote:
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:407B232D.4F66FC0B@Horn.uk...
Matt wrote:
Daniel Horn wrote:
Matt wrote:
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Hell, I'm an ATHEIST and I became an ordained minister for free. I've
performed two weddings: one for my nephew and another for one of my
firefighters.
Hush now. Next things you will have a passel of fundies making their
tedious claims that atheism is a religion and point to you as one of its
"ordained ministers".
I hold services every Sunday......
.....Church of Hank Williams. We congregate in my boat on Lake Travis, and
receive communion from Miller Brewing Company.
I did it out of spite....but then again, I know more about Biblical
*****
than most christers.
Funny thing that... in all of the USEnet debates I have seen, the
"Christian" homophobes seem to be abysmally ignorant of their Bible
while the atheists/agnostics are often the ones with the most detailed
knowledge of the scriptures.
Even with what I've learned, I've watched a lot of Atheists that actually
have studied scriptures to the point of knowing the various meanings on
their original languages.
Watching that sort of knowledge being used to decimate some poor,
19-year-old fundy is rather sad. It's like watching Mike Tyson beat up a
drunk. Granted, they deserve it, but it's almost a waste of superior
firepower.
They read without understanding, memorize without comprehension. It
is a classic form of conditioning, entailing the regurgitation of
"correct" replies in response to certain keywords or phrases. No
higher brain functions are required.
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
13 Apr 2004 12:13:18 AM |
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Universities are fiercely secular, you're quite welcome to practice you
religion at university via the prayer groups that are setup by the local
student union, just don't expect the university to adopt your religion
and offer special courses around your religion.
Another thing with Universities in NZ, we don't have things like
"fraternities", "college football teams", "chair leaders" and other
associated crap. You're there to study and possibly make some friends,
that is it. Want to play a sport? join a local sports club.
You mean students go to college in NZ to actually learn, what's
up with that. How can you run a society if everyone is actually
educated, without fraternities no one is drunk all the time, without
football, jocks have to actually do school work, and without out
cheer leaders you have no hooters to look at all day. If everyone
is educated who is going to believe all the crap Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell says? No, no, it just wouldn't work here.
Jocks never get within a 100kilometre radius of the course unless they
can score a minimum of 3 'C's in their chosen bursary subjects, that
allows them to apply for a place in a liberal arts degree, even so, that
doesn't mean they can be guaranteed a place in university, if there is
someone better, they take priority.
As for *****-ups, sure, they're organised by the Student union who
organise bands to play at the university, but they tend to be rare; btw,
in the US do they have drag parties? ;)
As for females, lets put it this way, don't treat them like sex objects
or otherwise you'll find your self very sore in a number of places ;)
Maybe that has more to do with NZ women and their willingness to wear
the pants in the relationship ;)
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation" - Anonymous
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a
statistic." - Joseph Stalin
"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." -
Joseph Stalin
"There are no morals in politics; there is only
expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just
because he is a scoundrel." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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| User: "Daniel Horn" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
13 Apr 2004 01:27:45 PM |
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Matt wrote:
Universities are fiercely secular, you're quite welcome to practice you
religion at university via the prayer groups that are setup by the local
student union, just don't expect the university to adopt your religion
and offer special courses around your religion.
Another thing with Universities in NZ, we don't have things like
"fraternities", "college football teams", "chair leaders" and other
associated crap. You're there to study and possibly make some friends,
that is it. Want to play a sport? join a local sports club.
You mean students go to college in NZ to actually learn, what's
up with that. How can you run a society if everyone is actually
educated, without fraternities no one is drunk all the time, without
football, jocks have to actually do school work, and without out
cheer leaders you have no hooters to look at all day. If everyone
is educated who is going to believe all the crap Pat Robertson and
Jerry Falwell says? No, no, it just wouldn't work here.
Jocks never get within a 100kilometre radius of the course unless they
can score a minimum of 3 'C's in their chosen bursary subjects, that
allows them to apply for a place in a liberal arts degree, even so, that
doesn't mean they can be guaranteed a place in university, if there is
someone better, they take priority.
No no, that's backward, the jocks always get preferential treatment
over intelligent people, after all there is more money in jocks
than PhDs.
As for *****-ups, sure, they're organised by the Student union who
organise bands to play at the university, but they tend to be rare; btw,
in the US do they have drag parties? ;)
Not that I know of, unless they are in the play South Pacific.
As for females, lets put it this way, don't treat them like sex objects
or otherwise you'll find your self very sore in a number of places ;)
Maybe that has more to do with NZ women and their willingness to wear
the pants in the relationship ;)
Sheesh, no wonder men prefer sheep there. {8^)
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG |
13 Apr 2004 11:15:48 PM |
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Jocks never get within a 100kilometre radius of the course unless they
can score a minimum of 3 'C's in their chosen bursary subjects, that
allows them to apply for a place in a liberal arts degree, even so, that
doesn't mean they can be guaranteed a place in university, if there is
someone better, they take priority.
No no, that's backward, the jocks always get preferential treatment
over intelligent people, after all there is more money in jocks
than PhDs.
But what subjects do they study? who actually sets the qualifications?
back in NZ the whole education system is standardised by the government.
If a university wishes to off a degree, they have to get it "ok'ed" by
the ministry of education hence the reason why we don't have "jock
orientated" subjects.
As for *****-ups, sure, they're organised by the Student union who
organise bands to play at the university, but they tend to be rare; btw,
in the US do they have drag parties? ;)
Not that I know of, unless they are in the play South Pacific.
LOL ;) na, I'm assuming you know what the term "drag" means; and yes,
straight people do go to these parties ;)
As for females, lets put it this way, don't treat them like sex objects
or otherwise you'll find your self very sore in a number of places ;)
Maybe that has more to do with NZ women and their willingness to wear
the pants in the relationship ;)
Sheesh, no wonder men prefer sheep there. {8^)
Or could explain why most men in NZ don't care that we have a female
prime minister (and females in high places) ;) The best thing I heard
from a 76 year old was, "great, the more women there are in power, the
more time us blokes get to spend on the more important things in life,
like Rugby and going down to the pub" ;)
For a country that was traditionally very conservative, we've turned out
to be a lot more liberal than you guys in the US ;)
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation" - Anonymous
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a
statistic." - Joseph Stalin
"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." -
Joseph Stalin
"There are no morals in politics; there is only
expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just
because he is a scoundrel." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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