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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Bob Baxter"
Date: 08 Apr 2004 04:49:55 PM
Object: Homosexuality is WRONG
Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike

What a stupid claim.
Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.
Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.
Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.
He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html
.

User: "Sara Brum"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 12:02:08 AM
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...


Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.

Bigotry should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental illness
which goes against the grain for many people.
.

User: "KW"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 11 Apr 2004 10:10:24 AM
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html

There is nothing wrong with being gay, the sex is fuc*&%Y FAB :o)
Try it sometime Bubba
--
Regards
Krys
http://www.angelhosts.com - http://www.tssn.org
http://www.krystianwhellans.com
.

User: "rgeorge"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 05:47:53 PM
"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html

True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want to
please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation, he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise, a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.
.
User: "Poster Boy"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 06:30:09 PM
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including those
that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want to
please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the past
they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation, he
can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise, a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by heeding
the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that wrong
conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off the
old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.

And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the bonds of
the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself. You
can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that asserts the
bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as begging
the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical out-of-context
interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who are
obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the feeble
minded.
It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the intellect
stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.
.
User: "rgeorge"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 07:23:17 PM
"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including

those

that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want

to

please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the

past

they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation,

he

can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise, a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by

heeding

the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that

wrong

conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off

the

old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.


And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the bonds of
the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself. You
can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that asserts the
bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as begging
the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical out-of-context
interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who are
obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the feeble
minded.

It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the intellect
stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.

To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness. They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure fantasy
as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.
Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual ones
of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired answer
from God's own Word:
"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; but God
chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to
shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the
strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world and
the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to
nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the sight
of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.
.
User: "Richard Smol"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 11 Apr 2004 06:04:22 AM
"rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<4075ecf4@news.comindico.com.au>...

To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness. They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure fantasy
as far as they are concerned.

Now you're getting with it. And since you offer no evidence
for your claims, that is how it will stay.

Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.

So you say. And there is nothing heart-warming that message,
since it's filled with hate, intolerance and bigotry.

Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual ones
of the world, whom does God use to preach it?

Why would an omnipotent being need anyone to spread its message?

Listen to the inspired answer from God's own Word:

Why do you keep thinking we would be impressed by a phrase
of a book that we consider a fairy tale? Did you lose your marbles?
Or didn't you have them in the first place?
RS
.
User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 13 Apr 2004 02:17:55 PM
Subject: Re: Are YOU a Homophobe? If so, can you answer THESE Questions?
From: Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.bible
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:11:33 -0700, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> spake thusly:

"Bill Meredith" <nospan@juno.com> wrote in message
news:73b5c8f4.0404101859.1909237c@posting.google.com...

Have you considered having someone proofread your posts?

You know people


You need a comma after 'people.'

one of the more interesting aspect of this drive to
grant gays the right to so call


'so-called'

"gay marriages" is the fact that there
are very few public voices hear


'here'

in newspapers, tv, radio or even the
internet newsgroups that dare to question the wisedom


'wisdom'

of granting this
benefit to gay couples.

This happen


Verb-subject disagreement. 'happens...'

to be the case inspite of all the major polls, showing
that the majority of the population do not support granting marriage
licenses to gay couples.

Could it be that the reason for this is the fear of being label


'labeled'

an
evil homophobe bigot in public, is enough of a threat to keep people
from disclaring


'declaring'

thier own opinions?

In my own circle of friends and co-workers, few support the expansing


'expanding'

of the meaning of marriage to cover homosexuals


Birds of a feather...

and yet the major
newspaper that service my community have not one voice in it that does
not fully support such unions!

This whole drive is interesting for many reasons indeed.


And you're far too stupid to be taken seriously.

And this is what the liberal argument amounts to.
Personal attacks much like I attack people who do not agree with what I
say. It is easier than a honest debate.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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User: "Daniel Horn"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 13 Apr 2004 06:15:58 PM
Pastor Dave wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:11:33 -0700, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<

And you're far too stupid to be taken seriously.


And this is what the liberal argument amounts to.
Personal attacks much like I attack people who do not agree with what I
say. It is easier than a honest debate.

How is it possible to have an honest debate with people like
you that do nothing but tell lies? None of you can provide
proof of a sin of homosexuality in context, only by taking
verses out of the context of the time, the chapter and the
reast of the bible, to "use" the bible for your own petty
justification for your bigotry. It is impossible for the bible
to say one word about homosexual anything, they had no
such concept at the time the bible was written.
"The same applies to the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually
orientated person.' This was a discovery of only 150 years ago.
Go to the Bible and it simply is not there. Often, people speak
of the clear Biblical teaching about how to deal pastorally
with homosexual people, but that is a real howler. The Bible
knows nothing of the existence of homosexual people. No doubt
there were such people in the ancient world and others would
have had the experience of engaging with them, but they were
blind to their existence as 'homosexually orientated people'
because they did not yet have the concept of 'exclusive
homosexual orientation' with which to order their raw
experiences."
"Without the concept of an 'exclusively homosexually orientated
person' it is therefore an impossibility for biblical writers
to refer explicitly to or claim to know actual people who filled
that concept. Even if they experienced them, they were blind to
the existence of exclusive homosexual identity. There can
therefore be no biblical text consciously directed at
'homosexually orientated people' as a distinct sub-class of
humans. The biblical authors cannot even have dreamed of such a
thing for the Bible does not work with the mid-nineteenth century
distinction between homosexuals and heterosexuals. In ancient
days it was simply a matter of working with the assumed concept
of the undifferentiated heterosexuality of males and females."
By Dr Carnley who is a Cambridge PhD, and Archbishop of Perth
And only cowards like you follow up to your email address.
.



User: "Thore Schmechtig"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 01:14:30 AM

To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness. They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed.

Another AHL.
NOT condemning homosexuals is not against the christian god, but
perfectly okay with him. Let me reveal to you some bible quotes that
you obviously never heard:
Matthew 5:44-47
But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use
you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father
which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on
the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye
love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the
publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye
more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Matthew 7:1-5
JUDGE NOT, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye
shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to
you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's
eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt
thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;
and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out
the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast
out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Matthew 22:37-40
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first
and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, THOU SHALT LOVE
THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. On these two commandments hang all the law and
the prophets.
Your hatemongering propaganda against homosexuals, therefore, is a SIN
- a direct violation of your god's most important commandment.
You lose.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
.
User: "rgeorge"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 03:40:11 AM
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c55f1v$2n75il$1@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...

To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech

about

Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness. They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice

everlasting

life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed.


Another AHL.
NOT condemning homosexuals is not against the christian god, but
perfectly okay with him. Let me reveal to you some bible quotes that
you obviously never heard:

Matthew 5:44-47
But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use
you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father
which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on
the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye
love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the
publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye
more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Matthew 7:1-5
JUDGE NOT, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye
shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to
you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's
eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt
thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;
and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out
the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast
out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Matthew 22:37-40
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first
and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, THOU SHALT LOVE
THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. On these two commandments hang all the law and
the prophets.

Your hatemongering propaganda against homosexuals, therefore, is a SIN
- a direct violation of your god's most important commandment.

You lose.



--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM

(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)

1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever

followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream
"Persecution!"

5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than

be honest and admit the obvious

6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.

Some excuse their contradicting of Bible standards on the basis of love. One
priest said: "Love, especially love of the outsider and the outcast, is the
essential test of our spiritual life." He then concluded, "Homosexuality
would never have been an issue for Christ. The issue for him would have
been: Do these people live out their lives, whatever they are, in a truly
loving way?"
But the Bible does not confuse love with sentimentality. Godly love is
balanced by justice and includes a hatred for badness. The Bible forcefully
admonishes, "O you lovers of YHWH, hate what is bad." (Psalm 97:10) True
love also includes discipline, for "whom YHWH loves he disciplines."
(Hebrews 12:6) Therefore, ministers are obligated "both to exhort by the
teaching that is healthful and to reprove those who contradict." (Titus 1:9)
And remember this: When the ancient priest would faithfully discharge his
duties, "many were those whom he turned back from error."-Malachi 2:5, 6.
.
User: "Thore Schmechtig"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 03:08:01 PM

But the Bible does not confuse love with sentimentality. Godly love is
balanced by justice and includes a hatred for badness. The Bible forcefully
admonishes, "O you lovers of YHWH, hate what is bad." (Psalm 97:10)

That's ONE verse of the babble. What I quoted simply says "Love your
neighbor" and "Love your enemy". Funny, no? I don't see any qualifiers
there... no "Love your neighbor unless he's gay" or similar. And if you
believe in the babble, note that my quotes (supposedly) come from Jesus
himself, read: from your GOD. Directly.
Who are you to disobey, hmmm?
That's why I don't care a rat's ***** about your buybull. Whatever you
can prove with one verse I can disprove with another verse.
Like it or not: The babble is WORTHLESS for basing any point upon.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
.



User: "Poster Boy"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 08:10:10 PM
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
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Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let your
female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma it
once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse mental
illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including

those

that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want

to

please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the

past

they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to develop
self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper motivation,

he

can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard. Likewise, a
person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by

heeding

the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices.
(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that

wrong

conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of the
consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip off

the

old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the new
personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.


And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the bonds of
the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself. You
can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that asserts the
bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as begging
the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical out-of-context
interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who are
obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the feeble
minded.

It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the intellect
stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.


To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness. They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice everlasting
life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure fantasy
as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.

Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual ones
of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired answer
from God's own Word:

"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; but God
chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to
shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the
strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world and
the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to
nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the sight
of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.

Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.
.
User: "rgeorge"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 08:50:02 PM
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let

your

female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the stigma

it

once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse

mental

illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including

those

that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly

want

to

please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in the

past

they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will, the
desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to

develop

self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper

motivation,

he

can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard.

Likewise, a

person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by

heeding

the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual

practices.

(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking that

wrong

conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of

the

consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip

off

the

old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the

new

personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.


And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the bonds of
the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself. You
can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that asserts the
bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as begging
the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical out-of-context
interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who are
obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the feeble
minded.

It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the intellect
stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.


To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech about
Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness. They
scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice

everlasting

life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from the
dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure

fantasy

as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.

Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual

ones

of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired

answer

from God's own Word:

"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; but

God

chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to
shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the
strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world and
the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring

to

nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the

sight

of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.


Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.

***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they
are examined spiritually.
.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 10:39:01 PM
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge"

<reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>

wrote:


"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please let

your

female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the

stigma

it

once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles are
closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse

mental

illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires,

including

those

that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly

want

to

please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in

the

past

they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will,

the

desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to

develop

self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper

motivation,

he

can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard.

Likewise, a

person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by

heeding

the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual

practices.

(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking

that

wrong

conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us of

the

consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to "strip

off

the

old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with the

new

personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.


And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the bonds of
the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself. You
can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that asserts

the

bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as begging
the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical out-of-context
interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who are
obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the feeble
minded.

It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the intellect
stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.


To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech

about

Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness.

They

scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice

everlasting

life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from

the

dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure

fantasy

as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.

Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and intellectual

ones

of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired

answer

from God's own Word:

"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth;

but

God

chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men

to

shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put

the

strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world

and

the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might

bring

to

nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the

sight

of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.


Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.


***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***

But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because

they

are examined spiritually.

Has it ever occurred to you to actually think for yourself?
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.
User: "rgeorge"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 10:54:09 PM
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge"

<reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>

wrote:


"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
news:985e53e0dfb85f955349e22d0067676f@news.teranews.com...

Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please

let

your

female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the

stigma

it

once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the closet.

Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles

are

closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse

mental

illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires,

including

those

that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who

truly

want

to

please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps in

the

past

they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's will,

the

desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to

develop

self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper

motivation,

he

can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard.

Likewise, a

person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but

by

heeding

the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual

practices.

(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking

that

wrong

conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns us

of

the

consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to

"strip

off

the

old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with

the

new

personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.


And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the bonds

of

the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself.

You

can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that asserts

the

bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as

begging

the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical

out-of-context

interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who

are

obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the feeble
minded.

It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the

intellect

stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.


To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech

about

Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness.

They

scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice

everlasting

life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose from

the

dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure

fantasy

as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have this
heartwarming message made known worldwide.

Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and

intellectual

ones

of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the inspired

answer

from God's own Word:

"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a
fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth;

but

God

chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men

to

shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put

the

strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world

and

the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might

bring

to

nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in

the

sight

of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.


Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.


***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***

But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for
they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because

they

are examined spiritually.


Has it ever occurred to you to actually think for yourself?

--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn


The first essential in developing one's thinking ability is the taking in of
knowledge. "My son, . . . when wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge
itself becomes pleasant to your very soul, thinking ability itself will keep
guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you, to deliver you from
the bad way." (Prov. 2:1, 10-15) One should notice here the use of
knowledge, wisdom and discernment or understanding. Since God created man in
his image, it follows that the only realistic way to train one's thinking
ability is to take God's purposes into consideration. No one can gain
knowledge without recognizing his relationship to God. "The fear of YHWH is
the beginning of knowledge." (Prov. 1:7) Knowledge pertaining to God's
purposes is found in the Bible.-Ps. 19:7-11; John 17:17; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17.
Today the trend of this world is to seek independent thinking as the ideal
goal, but even as the unrealistic thinking of a scientist who tries to
ignore the law of gravity is doomed to failure, so also is the unrealistic
thinking of those who try to ignore the fact of man's dependence on God. "It
does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his steps." (Jer 10:23;
Prov. 16:1-3) When men try to think independently of God, they set aside the
perfect standard of goodness, righteousness, virtue and faithfulness and
become victims of their own selfish, sinful inclinations and degrade their
own thinking ability.-Rom. 1:21-32; Eph. 4:17-19.
.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 11:00:30 PM
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge"

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wrote:


"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
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Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack, please

let

your

female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the

stigma

it

once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the

closet.


Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate paedophiles

are

closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is what
homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick, perverse

mental

illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires,

including

those

that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or
environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who

truly

want

to

please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional. Perhaps

in

the

past

they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's

will,

the

desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them to

develop

self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper

motivation,

he

can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard.

Likewise, a

person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex,

but

by

heeding

the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual

practices.

(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on thinking

that

wrong

conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns

us

of

the

consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to

"strip

off

the

old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves] with

the

new

personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.


And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the

bonds

of

the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for yourself.

You

can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that

asserts

the

bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as

begging

the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical

out-of-context

interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists who

are

obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the

feeble

minded.

It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the

intellect

stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.


To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the speech

about

Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is foolishness.

They

scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice

everlasting

life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose

from

the

dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is pure

fantasy

as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have

this

heartwarming message made known worldwide.

Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and

intellectual

ones

of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the

inspired

answer

from God's own Word:

"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in

a

fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble

birth;

but

God

chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise

men

to

shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might

put

the

strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the

world

and

the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might

bring

to

nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in

the

sight

of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.


Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going to
convince me by parroting some religious tract.


***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***

But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God,

for

they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because

they

are examined spiritually.


Has it ever occurred to you to actually think for yourself?

--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn


The first essential in developing one's thinking ability is the taking in

of

knowledge. "My son, . . . when wisdom enters into your heart and knowledge
itself becomes pleasant to your very soul, thinking ability itself will

keep

guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you, to deliver you from
the bad way." (Prov. 2:1, 10-15) One should notice here the use of
knowledge, wisdom and discernment or understanding. Since God created man

in

his image, it follows that the only realistic way to train one's thinking
ability is to take God's purposes into consideration. No one can gain
knowledge without recognizing his relationship to God. "The fear of YHWH

is

the beginning of knowledge." (Prov. 1:7) Knowledge pertaining to God's
purposes is found in the Bible.-Ps. 19:7-11; John 17:17; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17.

Today the trend of this world is to seek independent thinking as the ideal
goal, but even as the unrealistic thinking of a scientist who tries to
ignore the law of gravity is doomed to failure, so also is the unrealistic
thinking of those who try to ignore the fact of man's dependence on God.

"It

does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his steps." (Jer

10:23;

Prov. 16:1-3) When men try to think independently of God, they set aside

the

perfect standard of goodness, righteousness, virtue and faithfulness and
become victims of their own selfish, sinful inclinations and degrade their
own thinking ability.-Rom. 1:21-32; Eph. 4:17-19.

Nope....It obviously never crossed your mind [to think for yourself].
It's bad enough that politicians only talk in sound bytes, but to only speak
in Bible verses is taking ineptitude to a new level.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.
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Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 08 Apr 2004 11:52:31 PM
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:23:17 GMT, "rgeorge"

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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:47:53 GMT, "rgeorge"

<reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au>

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"Bob Baxter" <whome@drededspam.com> wrote in message
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Mike Swift <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

Another homosexual in denial of his inner self, Jack,

please

let

your

female side express itself, being 'queer' doesn't carry the

stigma

it

once did, we live in enlightened times, come out of the

closet.


Mike


What a stupid claim.

Mike will be telling us next that people who hate

paedophiles

are

closet paedophiles themselves.

Or maybe Mike thinks that all sexual deviancies (which is

what

homosexuality is) should be gradually accepted by society.

Homosexuality should be taken for what it is; a sick,

perverse

mental

illness which goes against the grain for many people.

He should also take a look at
http://members.aol.com/trwstrong/straight.html


True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires,

including

those

that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes

or

environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who

truly

want

to

please God. Some people are by nature highly emotional.

Perhaps

in

the

past

they gave free rein to fits of anger; but knowledge of God's

will,

the

desire to please him, and the help of his spirit enable them

to

develop

self-control. A person may be an alcoholic, but, with proper

motivation,

he

can refrain from drinking and thus avoid becoming a drunkard.

Likewise, a

person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex,

but

by

heeding

the counsel of God's Word he can remain clean from homosexual

practices.

(See Ephesians 4:17-24.) God does not allow us to go on

thinking

that

wrong

conduct really makes no difference; he kindly but firmly warns

us

of

the

consequences and provides abundant help for those who want to

"strip

off

the

old personality with its practices, and clothe [themselves]

with

the

new

personality."-Col. 3:9, 10.


And with a suitable amount of self-control you can break the

bonds

of

the cult that has enslaved you, and learn to think for

yourself.

You

can reject the illogical radical fundamentalist dogma that

asserts

the

bible is true just because the bible says it's true (known as

begging

the question,) and then subvert even that by whimsical

out-of-context

interpretations proffered by evil, money-grubbing evangelists

who

are

obsessed with power and control, even if it is only over the

feeble

minded.

It is your choice to use your mind or not. Without use the

intellect

stagnates and insanity becomes a very real possibility.


To the so-called wise and intellectual ones of the world the

speech

about

Christ pouring out his lifeblood on a torture stake is

foolishness.

They

scoff at the idea that by exercising faith in Christ's sacrifice

everlasting

life in a righteous new system can be enjoyed. That Christ rose

from

the

dead and is now the powerful King of God's heavenly Kingdom is

pure

fantasy

as far as they are concerned. Yet Almighty God purposes to have

this

heartwarming message made known worldwide.

Since this message amounts to foolishness to the wise and

intellectual

ones

of the world, whom does God use to preach it? Listen to the

inspired

answer

from God's own Word:

"For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise

in

a

fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble

birth;

but

God

chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise

men

to

shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might

put

the

strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the

world

and

the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he

might

bring

to

nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast

in

the

sight

of God."-1 Corinthians 1:26-29.


Non responsive. Assumes facts not in evidence. You aren't going

to

convince me by parroting some religious tract.


***1 Corinthians 2:14 ***

But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God,

for

they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them],

because

they

are examined spiritually.


Has it ever occurred to you to actually think for yourself?

--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn


The first essential in developing one's thinking ability is the taking

in

of

knowledge. "My son, . . . when wisdom enters into your heart and

knowledge

itself becomes pleasant to your very soul, thinking ability itself will

keep

guard over you, discernment itself will safeguard you, to deliver you

from

the bad way." (Prov. 2:1, 10-15) One should notice here the use of
knowledge, wisdom and discernment or understanding. Since God created

man

in

his image, it follows that the only realistic way to train one's

thinking

ability is to take God's purposes into consideration. No one can gain
knowledge without recognizing his relationship to God. "The fear of YHWH

is

the beginning of knowledge." (Prov. 1:7) Knowledge pertaining to God's
purposes is found in the Bible.-Ps. 19:7-11; John 17:17; 2 Tim. 3:16,

17.


Today the trend of this world is to seek independent thinking as the

ideal

goal, but even as the unrealistic thinking of a scientist who tries to
ignore the law of gravity is doomed to failure, so also is the

unrealistic

thinking of those who try to ignore the fact of man's dependence on God.

"It

does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his steps." (Jer

10:23;

Prov. 16:1-3) When men try to think independently of God, they set aside

the

perfect standard of goodness, righteousness, virtue and faithfulness and
become victims of their own selfish, sinful inclinations and degrade

their

own thinking ability.-Rom. 1:21-32; Eph. 4:17-19.


Nope....It obviously never crossed your mind [to think for yourself].

It's bad enough that politicians only talk in sound bytes, but to only

speak

in Bible verses is taking ineptitude to a new level.

--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn


*** Rbi8 Proverbs 1:22 ***
"How long will YOU inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience, and [how
long] must YOU ridiculers desire for yourselves outright ridicule, and [how
long] will YOU stupid ones keep hating knowledge?
.
User: "Thore Schmechtig"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 01:22:45 AM

"How long will YOU inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience, and [how
long] must YOU ridiculers desire for yourselves outright ridicule, and [how
long] will YOU stupid ones keep hating knowledge?

We know that you are inexperienced and stupid. There's no need to prove
it to us with yet more worthless babble quotes.
READ YOUR SCRIPTURE, and read all of it. Then you will see the error of
your ways.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
.
User: "rgeorge"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 03:30:15 AM
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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"How long will YOU inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience, and [how
long] must YOU ridiculers desire for yourselves outright ridicule, and

[how

long] will YOU stupid ones keep hating knowledge?


We know that you are inexperienced and stupid. There's no need to prove
it to us with yet more worthless babble quotes.
READ YOUR SCRIPTURE, and read all of it. Then you will see the error of
your ways.

*** Proverbs 26:12 ***
Have you seen a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for the stupid
one than for him.
.
User: "Thore Schmechtig"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 02:46:47 PM

We know that you are inexperienced and stupid. There's no need to prove
it to us with yet more worthless babble quotes.
READ YOUR SCRIPTURE, and read all of it. Then you will see the error of
your ways.

*** Proverbs 26:12 *** [...]

As I wrote, "there's no need to prove it to us with yet more worthless
babble quotes". But well, make more of a fool of yourself, it's not my
problem. In fact, the more willingly you prove your idiocy, the less
work remains to be done for me and other thinking persons with a desire
for justice. ;)
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
.




User: "Poster Boy"

Title: Re: Homosexuality is WRONG 09 Apr 2004 01:14:54 AM
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 04:00:30 GMT, "The other Donald"
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