Religions > Atheism > Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society: RAdm Lui
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Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society: RAdm Lui |
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society: RAdm
Lui
By ***** Yeen Nie, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 23 May 2007 0607 hrs
SINGAPORE : The issue of homosexuality will always bring out tensions
in society, says Minister of State for Education Lui Tuck Yew.
And this is why, he adds, it is important to allow the people to come
to their own conclusions about the matter.
Rear-Admiral Lui made this point when he was asked about homosexuality
at a dialogue session at the annual Pre-University Seminar held at the
Nanyang Technological University.
600 students from 26 institutions are taking part in the event.
RAdm Lui said: "We can't be stiff-necked. We need to be open to ideas
but we have to come to our conclusions through the framework in
Singapore. That's why it is important to have our own deep convictions
and beliefs."
He added that he does not subscribe to the theory that it is a
"medical condition". "Do you excuse paedophiles or psychopaths because
of a medical condition?" RAdm Lui asked.
RAdm Lui said: "To me there are certain norms in society. And before
we make major shift of those norms it is important that we sit and
deliberate, and think through it carefully and move at a pace that
society allows us to move.
"It does not mean that we should not try to reshape the thinking and
so on and so forth, but we can only move at the pace at which society
allows us to move. That's my own personal thoughts about it, and I
don't think... certainly... I am not ready to move and I do not think
a major segment of society is ready to move". - CNA/de
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/277824/1/.html
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28 May 2007 07:23:46 PM |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 21:01:00 -0400, Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[snips]
On Sat, 26 May 2007 17:44:02 -0400, Osprey wrote:
Providing food to the hungry, building shelters for the homeless,
building
hospitals for those who need, providing medical care for those who can't
get
it, during times of disastor, many volunteer to feed, clothe, and provide
shelter.
Hey, all things we atheists do, too. Little story for you... two,
actually.
<snip>
A very comprehensive list it was, too.
<snicker>
--
Christianity does not preach the gospels to offer man a guide to
salvation. It uses the gospels as a weapon in the ideological
conquest of man. - Simon Ewins
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27 May 2007 07:33:26 PM |
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:38:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
<AMWdndSE47rXt8XbnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d@comcast.com>:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1180181103.337788.185620@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On May 26, 8:02 am, osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On May 26, 2:55 am, "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"
<use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On May 25, 10:05 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion IS intolerance, numbskull.-
God is good.
God doesn't exist
Well, I certainly believe he does, and I certainly am open minded to
consider many things that prove God exist.
Please point out any evidence to support your claim.
If you are that closed minded, that's too bad.
Having an ability to think critically does not make one close minded.
Religion can be evil.
In practice, it almost always is.
No, it's not. Some religions do wonderful things for many people. Not that
you would care, your own hatred is blinding you from seeing it.
People do good things and bad things in the name of religion. Religion
does not make people better.
Man made religion, man is intollerant. And I have found intellerance
on all sides...not just in religion.
Man is not intolerant until he is taught to be.
When are you going to be taught?
The problem most people have, is just admitting it. I see so much
bigotry coming from these newsgroups..and for the most part...the
people calling others bigots...are some of the biggest bigots yet.
Imagine that.
Bigotry is believing something you have no rational excuse for
believing, and insisting that you are right, and that anybody who
disagrees with you is wicked and bad. Every religion has a definition
of who, rather than what, is wicked and bad, and it starts with
unbelievers. Most other forms of bigotry have religious roots. Racism
comes straight from the Bible.
What ever you wish to believe.
Facts are stubborn things.
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27 May 2007 08:00:32 PM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:38:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
<AMWdndSE47rXt8XbnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d@comcast.com>:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1180181103.337788.185620@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On May 26, 8:02 am, osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On May 26, 2:55 am, "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"
<use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On May 25, 10:05 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion IS intolerance, numbskull.-
God is good.
God doesn't exist
Well, I certainly believe he does, and I certainly am open minded to
consider many things that prove God exist.
Please point out any evidence to support your claim.
Or else what???
Are you going to call me a name or something??
If you are that closed minded, that's too bad.
Having an ability to think critically does not make one close minded.
And who says that those who believe in God can't think critically???
Religion can be evil.
In practice, it almost always is.
No, it's not. Some religions do wonderful things for many people. Not
that
you would care, your own hatred is blinding you from seeing it.
People do good things and bad things in the name of religion. Religion
does not make people better.
I never said Religion did make anyone better.
Man made religion, man is intollerant. And I have found intellerance
on all sides...not just in religion.
Man is not intolerant until he is taught to be.
When are you going to be taught?
The problem most people have, is just admitting it. I see so much
bigotry coming from these newsgroups..and for the most part...the
people calling others bigots...are some of the biggest bigots yet.
Imagine that.
Bigotry is believing something you have no rational excuse for
believing, and insisting that you are right, and that anybody who
disagrees with you is wicked and bad. Every religion has a definition
of who, rather than what, is wicked and bad, and it starts with
unbelievers. Most other forms of bigotry have religious roots. Racism
comes straight from the Bible.
What ever you wish to believe.
Facts are stubborn things.
We already established you don't base your opinions on facts.
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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28 May 2007 07:29:56 PM |
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[snips]
On Sun, 27 May 2007 21:00:32 -0400, Osprey wrote:
Well, I certainly believe he does, and I certainly am open minded to
consider many things that prove God exist.
Please point out any evidence to support your claim.
Or else what???
Or else you're left right where you are right now: looking like a
gibbering idiot running around screaming "Is too! Is too!" as if this
meant anything to anyone over the age of six.
Having an ability to think critically does not make one close minded.
And who says that those who believe in God can't think critically???
They believe in invisible magic sky pixies; this brings into question their
ability to think at all.
People do good things and bad things in the name of religion. Religion
does not make people better.
I never said Religion did make anyone better.
And you live your life in support of that statement.
Facts are stubborn things.
We already established you don't base your opinions on facts.
Whereas you do, as demonstrated by the fact you've actually shown your
invisible magic sky pixie to be real. Oh, whoops, forgot that bit, didn't
you?
<snicker>
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1 Sam 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they
have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and
suckling, ox and sheep, camel and *****. - Christian Family Values
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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28 May 2007 09:40:32 AM |
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In article <ao8k53dkg6doib0gjas5cc03gir5l8pobl@4ax.com>,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:38:32 -0400, in alt.atheism
"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in
God doesn't exist
Well, I certainly believe he does, and I certainly am open minded to
consider many things that prove God exist.
Please point out any evidence to support your claim.
osprey has never supported any of the claims he has been called on to
support to the best of my knowledge. he'll run away from your
question.
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get real. like jesus would ever own a gun or vote republican.
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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27 May 2007 07:23:34 PM |
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[snips]
On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:38:32 -0400, Osprey wrote:
Well, I certainly believe he does, and I certainly am open minded to
consider many things that prove God exist.
Your belief does not establish reality.
And they wonder why we think theists are fruit loops.
--
Creationist: Why yes, Rome _was_ built in a day.
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| User: "IAAH" |
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26 May 2007 10:56:22 AM |
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osprey wrote:
On May 26, 2:55 am, "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"
<use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On May 25, 10:05 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion IS intolerance, numbskull.-
God is good.
Religion can be evil.
Man made religion, man is intollerant. And I have found intellerance
on all sides...not just in religion.
The problem most people have, is just admitting it. I see so much
bigotry coming from these newsgroups..and for the most part...the
people calling others bigots...are some of the biggest bigots yet.
Imagine that.
We don't have to. We have your oh-so-visible example of
bigotry to learn from.
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| User: "Rich Corinthian Leather" |
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25 May 2007 04:10:10 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing. We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
RCL
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| User: "Osprey" |
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25 May 2007 04:44:32 PM |
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"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
RCL
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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27 May 2007 07:17:26 PM |
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 17:44:32 -0400, Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
news:TgI5i.6942$4Y.3165@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
"Turn the other cheek" - Jesus
"Push too far, you get a bloodbath" - Osprey
Okay, fine, you're obviously not a Christian. What flavour of theistic
nutjob are you, then?
--
“You are nothing but a stupid atheist pig, with the IQ of a democrat.”
--- Christopher Calabrese
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| User: "Osprey" |
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27 May 2007 07:58:38 PM |
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"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mljpi4-ifc.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 17:44:32 -0400, Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
news:TgI5i.6942$4Y.3165@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
"Turn the other cheek" - Jesus
"Push too far, you get a bloodbath" - Osprey
Okay, fine, you're obviously not a Christian. What flavour of theistic
nutjob are you, then?
Oh my, you must have waited hours to think of that little comeback.
If you can't handle the truth, don't pay attention.
What do you expect people to do, when others like yourself with to suppress
them???
Just take it???
What a strange person you are.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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27 May 2007 08:53:03 PM |
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Osprey <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mljpi4-ifc.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 17:44:32 -0400, Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
news:TgI5i.6942$4Y.3165@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
"Turn the other cheek" - Jesus
"Push too far, you get a bloodbath" - Osprey
Okay, fine, you're obviously not a Christian. What flavour of theistic
nutjob are you, then?
Oh my, you must have waited hours to think of that little comeback.
If you can't handle the truth, don't pay attention.
What do you expect people to do, when others like yourself with to suppress
them???
Just take it???
So you're obviously not a Christian. What flavor of theistic nutjob
are you?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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28 May 2007 07:20:17 PM |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 01:53:03 +0000, Ray Fischer wrote:
Osprey <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mljpi4-ifc.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 17:44:32 -0400, Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
news:TgI5i.6942$4Y.3165@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life
time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry and
remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
"Turn the other cheek" - Jesus
"Push too far, you get a bloodbath" - Osprey
Okay, fine, you're obviously not a Christian. What flavour of theistic
nutjob are you, then?
Oh my, you must have waited hours to think of that little comeback.
If you can't handle the truth, don't pay attention.
What do you expect people to do, when others like yourself with to suppress
them???
Just take it???
So you're obviously not a Christian. What flavor of theistic nutjob
are you?
<snicker>
--
It only gets better for us when we die... - Scott Brubaker
It gets better for us, too – we no longer have to listen to fundy
morons.-- David Worrell
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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28 May 2007 07:18:35 PM |
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On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:58:38 -0400, Osprey wrote:
What do you expect people to do, when others like yourself with to suppress
them???
Clue in, fruitcake, nobody cares if you want to believe and practice - as
long as you don't try to inflict it on *us*. What you do in your bedrooms
and living rooms and houses of worship is of absolutely no concern to us.
When you start doing things which *do* affect us, the story is a little
different.
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“Religion: The original Chain Letter.” --- Bob Burcham
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| User: "Rich Corinthian Leather" |
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25 May 2007 09:46:40 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
news:TgI5i.6942$4Y.3165@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
Religion begets (there's a good religious word for you!) bigotry by
encourages and promoting hatred of those not "of the faith."
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
Christianity has certainly started enough blood-baths over the
centuries: pogroms against sundry groups:Jews, gays, witches, etc.
RCL
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On May 25, 10:46 pm, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
Religion begets (there's a good religious word for you!) bigotry by
encourages and promoting hatred of those not "of the faith."
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
Christianity has certainly started enough blood-baths over the
centuries: pogroms against sundry groups:Jews, gays, witches, etc.
Keep pushing people to obey your agenda and trying to suppress
people..and what do you expect?
I honestly think some of you do want a blood-bath.
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26 May 2007 11:16:53 AM |
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osprey wrote:
On May 25, 10:46 pm, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote in message
news:TgI5i.6942$4Y.3165@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
Religion begets (there's a good religious word for you!) bigotry by
encourages and promoting hatred of those not "of the faith."
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what you
will get when you push a person so far.
Christianity has certainly started enough blood-baths over the
centuries: pogroms against sundry groups:Jews, gays, witches, etc.
Keep pushing people to obey your agenda and trying to suppress
people..and what do you expect?
I honestly think some of you do want a blood-bath.
And Christianity has never over-pushed its agenda has it: the
Inquisition*s*, witch hunts, morality crusades. Atheists and humanist
just want to live peaceably without doctrinaire demands on their lives.
You're the only one talking about starting a blood-bath!
RCL
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26 May 2007 11:24:46 AM |
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"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
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osprey wrote:
On May 25, 10:46 pm, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote in
message
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Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
Religion begets (there's a good religious word for you!) bigotry by
encourages and promoting hatred of those not "of the faith."
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what
you
will get when you push a person so far.
Christianity has certainly started enough blood-baths over the
centuries: pogroms against sundry groups:Jews, gays, witches, etc.
Keep pushing people to obey your agenda and trying to suppress
people..and what do you expect?
I honestly think some of you do want a blood-bath.
And Christianity has never over-pushed its agenda has it: the
Inquisition*s*, witch hunts, morality crusades. Atheists and humanist just
want to live peaceably without doctrinaire demands on their lives.
You're the only one talking about starting a blood-bath!
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress others
from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to worship and
practice his or her religion. What do you expect people to do when they
start getting pushed up against the wall? Just take it? No, that's not
going to happen. Those who wish to abolish religion, would be facing a
fight they will never win.
It's obvious that those who wish to abolish religion do NOT value our
constitution at all. There is a little thing called the 1st
Amendment...something about not prohibiting. You might want to read up on
it.
Oh, and this thing about doctrinaire demands on their lives..half of you
don't even know what that means and those who say religion is being forced
upon them...do not even know what the word force means.
As far as "atheist and humanist" wanting to live peaceably...what's peacable
about forcing others to live by your rules, by abolishing religion???
That's not peace. That's a DEMAND on their lives.
I realize, if you are atheist, you don't understand the hypocrisy.
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26 May 2007 04:01:05 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in
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osprey wrote:
On May 25, 10:46 pm, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
And Christianity has never over-pushed its agenda has it: the
Inquisition*s*, witch hunts, morality crusades. Atheists and
humanist just want to live peaceably without doctrinaire demands on
their lives.
You're the only one talking about starting a blood-bath!
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress
others from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to
worship and practice his or her religion. What do you expect people
to do when they start getting pushed up against the wall? Just take
it? No, that's not going to happen. Those who wish to abolish
religion, would be facing a fight they will never win.
Osprey is out to lunch again. Nobody has been talking about abolishing
religion by prohibiting it, and the people world wide who are the least
religious have more important things to do. See
<http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=167> and in particular
the chart
<http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/167-2.gif> which contains a scatter
diagram showing the importance of religion in various counries versus
the country's wealth. While the U.S. is an outlier, the overall trend
is that the poorest countries tend to be the ones that value religion
the most. Religion is simply bad for your wallet. :-)
<stawmen snipped>
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27 May 2007 09:58:17 PM |
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On May 26, 12:24 pm, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote in messagenews:V3Z5i.7124$4Y.3215@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
osprey wrote:
On May 25, 10:46 pm, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote in
message
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Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
Religion begets (there's a good religious word for you!) bigotry by
encourages and promoting hatred of those not "of the faith."
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what
you
will get when you push a person so far.
Christianity has certainly started enough blood-baths over the
centuries: pogroms against sundry groups:Jews, gays, witches, etc.
Keep pushing people to obey your agenda and trying to suppress
people..and what do you expect?
I honestly think some of you do want a blood-bath.
And Christianity has never over-pushed its agenda has it: the
Inquisition*s*, witch hunts, morality crusades. Atheists and humanist just
want to live peaceably without doctrinaire demands on their lives.
You're the only one talking about starting a blood-bath!
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress others
from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to worship and
practice his or her religion.
Not a real bloodbath, Atheists are cowards and won't actually fight
for anything. Oh they talk a good fight, but will take to their heals
when they see blood.
What do you expect people to do when they
start getting pushed up against the wall? Just take it? No, that's not
going to happen. Those who wish to abolish religion, would be facing a
fight they will never win.
Nobody as ever abolished a religion, ask Hitler. Can't be done.
It's obvious that those who wish to abolish religion do NOT value our
constitution at all. There is a little thing called the 1st
Amendment...something about not prohibiting. You might want to read up on
it.
Oh, and this thing about doctrinaire demands on their lives..half of you
don't even know what that means and those who say religion is being forced
upon them...do not even know what the word force means.
As far as "atheist and humanist" wanting to live peaceably...what's peacable
about forcing others to live by your rules, by abolishing religion???
They aren't using force, their bitching their way into power, power
they don't understand and are to weak kneed to use anyway.
That's not peace. That's a DEMAND on their lives.
I realize, if you are atheist, you don't understand the hypocrisy.
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26 May 2007 06:25:35 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
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osprey wrote:
On May 25, 10:46 pm, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote in
message
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Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
Religion begets (there's a good religious word for you!) bigotry by
encourages and promoting hatred of those not "of the faith."
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's
what you
will get when you push a person so far.
Christianity has certainly started enough blood-baths over the
centuries: pogroms against sundry groups:Jews, gays, witches, etc.
Keep pushing people to obey your agenda and trying to suppress
people..and what do you expect?
I honestly think some of you do want a blood-bath.
And Christianity has never over-pushed its agenda has it: the
Inquisition*s*, witch hunts, morality crusades. Atheists and humanist
just want to live peaceably without doctrinaire demands on their lives.
You're the only one talking about starting a blood-bath!
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress
others from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to
worship and practice his or her religion. What do you expect people to
do when they start getting pushed up against the wall? Just take it?
No, that's not going to happen. Those who wish to abolish religion,
would be facing a fight they will never win.
It's obvious that those who wish to abolish religion do NOT value our
constitution at all. There is a little thing called the 1st
Amendment...something about not prohibiting. You might want to read up
on it.
Oh, and this thing about doctrinaire demands on their lives..half of you
don't even know what that means and those who say religion is being
forced upon them...do not even know what the word force means.
As far as "atheist and humanist" wanting to live peaceably...what's
peacable about forcing others to live by your rules, by abolishing
religion???
That's not peace. That's a DEMAND on their lives.
I realize, if you are atheist, you don't understand the hypocrisy.
I see you can't tolerate discussion, so PLONK!
RCL
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26 May 2007 06:54:34 PM |
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"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplicable@mysterious.net> wrote in message
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osprey wrote:
On May 25, 10:46 pm, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
"Rich Corinthian Leather" <inexplica...@mysterious.net> wrote in
message
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Osprey wrote:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7vji4-im2.ln1@spanky.localhost.net...
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:55:20 -0700, bobandcarole wrote:
Homosexuality issue will always bring out tensions in society:
Until we abolish institutions such as the religions which promote
senseless bigotry, at least.
What about YOUR bigotry?
What ever happened to tollerance and acceptance?
You do realize that not all who are religious, are "bigots"?
Then again, you will never see the abolishment of religions in your
life time or mine anyway.
As one who strongly believes in God, I call you on your own bigotry
and remind you...
Let he who have not sin, cast the first stone.
Religion begins the bigotry-spewing.
No, "Man...begins the bigotry-spewing".
Religion begets (there's a good religious word for you!) bigotry by
encourages and promoting hatred of those not "of the faith."
We're reacting (and fighting!)
against it. Religion belongs in the depths of its Hell.
And all you are doing is showing your own bigotry.
If you all want a blood-bath, keep fighting...eventually that's what
you
will get when you push a person so far.
Christianity has certainly started enough blood-baths over the
centuries: pogroms against sundry groups:Jews, gays, witches, etc.
Keep pushing people to obey your agenda and trying to suppress
people..and what do you expect?
I honestly think some of you do want a blood-bath.
And Christianity has never over-pushed its agenda has it: the
Inquisition*s*, witch hunts, morality crusades. Atheists and humanist
just want to live peaceably without doctrinaire demands on their lives.
You're the only one talking about starting a blood-bath!
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress
others from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to
worship and practice his or her religion. What do you expect people to
do when they start getting pushed up against the wall? Just take it?
No, that's not going to happen. Those who wish to abolish religion,
would be facing a fight they will never win.
It's obvious that those who wish to abolish religion do NOT value our
constitution at all. There is a little thing called the 1st
Amendment...something about not prohibiting. You might want to read up
on it.
Oh, and this thing about doctrinaire demands on their lives..half of you
don't even know what that means and those who say religion is being
forced upon them...do not even know what the word force means.
As far as "atheist and humanist" wanting to live peaceably...what's
peacable about forcing others to live by your rules, by abolishing
religion???
That's not peace. That's a DEMAND on their lives.
I realize, if you are atheist, you don't understand the hypocrisy.
I see you can't tolerate discussion, so PLONK!
Can't handle the truth, eh? Another one bites the dust.
RCL
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[snips]
On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:24:46 -0400, Osprey wrote:
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress others
from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to worship and
practice his or her religion.
Clue in, fruitcake, nobody cares if you want to believe and practice - as
long as you don't try to inflict it on *us*. What you do in your bedrooms
and living rooms and houses of worship is of absolutely no concern to us.
When you start doing things which *do* affect us, the story is a little
different.
--
Instead of the mandatory moment of silence, how about
a mandatory moment of science? - Marty Leipzig
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27 May 2007 07:59:03 PM |
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"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[snips]
On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:24:46 -0400, Osprey wrote:
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress
others
from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to worship and
practice his or her religion.
Clue in, fruitcake<snip>
We are done now.
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27 May 2007 08:11:18 PM |
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"Osprey" <NoNeedtoknow@mail.com> writes:
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[snips]
On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:24:46 -0400, Osprey wrote:
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress others
from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to worship and
practice his or her religion.
Clue in, fruitcake<snip>
We are done now.
Run away, Cop Caricature! (Any excuse to avoid dealing with reality - that's
a Heishman!)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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28 May 2007 07:23:03 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
We are done now.
Ah, good.
<turns around and shouts to the kitchen> "Would somebody remove the Osprey from the oven?
It's done..."
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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28 May 2007 07:40:06 PM |
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Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
Osprey wrote:
We are done now.
Ah, good.
<turns around and shouts to the kitchen> "Would somebody remove the Osprey from the oven?
It's done..."
"It's gone off! Spoiled!"
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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29 May 2007 06:33:09 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote:
<turns around and shouts to the kitchen> "Would somebody remove the Osprey from the oven?
It's done..."
"It's gone off! Spoiled!"
"Gone off!!? Didn't you sniff it before... <pause> Nevermind."
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"Men never do evil so completely and so cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
-- Blaise Pascal
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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28 May 2007 09:41:54 AM |
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In article <bujpi4-ifc.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>,
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:24:46 -0400, Osprey wrote:
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress others
from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to worship and
practice his or her religion.
Clue in, fruitcake, nobody cares if you want to believe and practice - as
long as you don't try to inflict it on *us*. What you do in your bedrooms
and living rooms and houses of worship is of absolutely no concern to us.
When you start doing things which *do* affect us, the story is a little
different.
coward osprey will cut your text and run away.
--
get real. like jesus would ever own a gun or vote republican.
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28 May 2007 07:17:30 PM |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 10:41:54 -0400, james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <bujpi4-ifc.ln1@spanky.localhost.net>,
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
[snips]
On Sat, 26 May 2007 12:24:46 -0400, Osprey wrote:
It would be a blood-bath, if you and other atheist wish to suppress others
from excercising their God given AND constitutional right to worship and
practice his or her religion.
Clue in, fruitcake, nobody cares if you want to believe and practice - as
long as you don't try to inflict it on *us*. What you do in your bedrooms
and living rooms and houses of worship is of absolutely no concern to us.
When you start doing things which *do* affect us, the story is a little
different.
coward osprey will cut your text and run away.
s/will/has
--
“Friday, put your goat leggings on and try to blend in.” -- Dragnet
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