Religions > Atheism > Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem
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11 Aug 2006 03:01:37 PM |
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Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
This is not a case of civil disobedience, this is outright defiance. The
nation of Israel is under seige, yet these selfish homos wish to syphon
precious man-power resources. All decent people should feel outrage.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11294/CFI/cfreport/index.htm
Police forbid 'gay' activists from assembling, but organizers say they will
carry on as planned.
Despite a police order, homosexual activists still plan to protest in
Jerusalem's Liberty Bell Park this evening. Jerusalem police announced early
yesterday that they would prohibit the event, called "Protest Against
Hatred," because they are afraid it will lead to violence, The Jerusalem
Post reports.
The protest was planned to highlight the city's cancellation of the parade
that was to be the climax of this week's WorldPride celebration (August
6-12). Police barred the protest after organizers refused to limit the
number of demonstrators or promise to contain the protest to an allotted
spot.
"There is no legal basis to the police decision as such an event, which is
not a demonstration, does not require a license," Hagai El-Ad, executive
director of Jerusalem's Gay and Lesbian center, which is hosting the event,
told The Jerusalem Post. A police representative told the Post that police
have the right to place conditions on events in order to maintain civic
order.
According to a YNet daily report, two of the event's organizers, Hagai El-Ad
and Noa Sattath, said, "The struggle for human right (sic), equality and a
sane Jerusalem is critical. We call upon anyone who identifies with these
values to take part in the watch. .We decided to conduct the protest watch
in order to say to instigators who oppose us that we will not break, not be
silent, and we will fight against the dirty waves of hatred, incitement, and
prejudice."
The WorldPride event has drawn few international visitors. Israel is in the
midst of a war with Hezbollah in Lebanon, with missiles falling in northern
Israel on a daily basis. Although the parade was cancelled, other events,
including a "gay" film festival and seminars, have been held in Jerusalem.
Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders have spoken against the event, urging
cancellation of all aspects.
Rabbi Yehuda Levin, who is in Israel on a special mission representing Jews
for Morality and the Orthodox Rabbinical Alliance of America, told CWA on
Wednesday that he urges American Christians to contact Israeli officials,
either in Jerusalem or at the embassy in Washington, and ask them to convey
their desire that the law be upheld and the illegal protest be barred.
"It's of utmost importance that Christians let their voices be heard," Levin
said. "I can't stress how much this would mean."
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
11 Aug 2006 03:11:38 PM |
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<youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
This is not a case of civil disobedience, this is outright defiance.
Sounds like you xtrain facist. Your lot do presicly the same thing, so
shut the ***** up, *****.
PDW
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| User: "Syd M." |
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12 Aug 2006 01:48:40 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
This is not a case of civil disobedience, this is outright defiance.
Sounds like you xtrain facist. Your lot do presicly the same thing, so
shut the ***** up, *****.
You show us what a lowlife you are with your response.
Yes. Yes you do, lowlife.
Don't screw
Christians into your dirty mold, *****.
No way would I want to, *****.
PDW
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| User: "Fritz" |
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12 Aug 2006 02:23:26 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
This is not a case of civil disobedience, this is outright defiance.
Sounds like you xtrain facist. Your lot do presicly the same thing, so
shut the ***** up, *****.
You show us what a lowlife you are with your response. Don't screw
Christians into your dirty mold, *****.
Look around you very carefully, there are queers in
your world, even in your church.
Careful, you might be standing right next to one.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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12 Aug 2006 03:42:49 PM |
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"Fritz" <Fritz@thenextwo.rlf> wrote
J Young wrote:
You show us what a lowlife you are with your response. Don't screw
Christians into your dirty mold, *****.
Look around you very carefully, there are queers in
your world, even in your church.
Careful, you might be standing right next to one.
If a homosexual acknowledges that his behaviour is sinful, then there is no
real problem that we don't have with any other sin. Apart from the people
directly affected, it is really a matter for him, God, and his confessor.
When people start claiming that homsexuality is an "orientation" rather
than a addiction, and that it is in no wise to be distinguished morally from
sexual intercourse within marriage, then you get real difficulties. The
church has to stand up against that distorted understanding of human
sexuality, and not only because of the handful of people who contract gay
marriages.
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| User: "Jeff North" |
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18 Aug 2006 10:45:26 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:42:49 +0100, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
<QPWdnSOaSoQFiHvZRVnytA@bt.com> wrote:
| "Fritz" <Fritz@thenextwo.rlf> wrote
| >J Young wrote:
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| >> You show us what a lowlife you are with your response. Don't screw
| >> Christians into your dirty mold, *****.
| > Look around you very carefully, there are queers in
| > your world, even in your church.
| > Careful, you might be standing right next to one.
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| If a homosexual acknowledges that his behaviour is sinful, then there is no
| real problem that we don't have with any other sin. Apart from the people
| directly affected, it is really a matter for him, God, and his confessor.
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| When people start claiming that homsexuality is an "orientation" rather
| than a addiction,
When people start claiming that heterosexuality is an "orientation"
rather than a addiction, ....
Do yo see the stupidity of your statement?
| and that it is in no wise to be distinguished morally from
| sexual intercourse within marriage, then you get real difficulties. The
| church has to stand up against that distorted understanding of human
| sexuality, and not only because of the handful of people who contract gay
| marriages.
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20 Aug 2006 01:55:44 AM |
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On 18-Aug-2006, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:42:49 +0100, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
When people start claiming that heterosexuality is an "orientation"
rather than a addiction, ....
Do you see the stupidity of your statement?
Sigh.
Susan
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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20 Aug 2006 03:50:48 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:QHTFg.582$hP6.121@trnddc04...
On 18-Aug-2006, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:42:49 +0100, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
When people start claiming that heterosexuality is an "orientation"
rather than a addiction, ....
Do you see the stupidity of your statement?
Sigh.
Heterosexual activity is behaviour a human needs to show in order to
complete his life cycle. Adaptive behaviours are not normally considered
"addictions".
The characteristics of addictions are
1) Not adaptive, usually damaging
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
3) stimulus actively and persistently sought out
4) dose becomes higher or behaviour steadily more extreme to obtain the same
effect.
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| User: "Curt" |
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20 Aug 2006 07:08:21 AM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:NdydnfB4FJL6v3XZnZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d@bt.com...
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:QHTFg.582$hP6.121@trnddc04...
On 18-Aug-2006, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:42:49 +0100, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
When people start claiming that heterosexuality is an "orientation"
rather than a addiction, ....
Do you see the stupidity of your statement?
Sigh.
Heterosexual activity is behaviour a human needs to show in order to
complete his life cycle. Adaptive behaviours are not normally considered
"addictions".
The characteristics of addictions are
1) Not adaptive, usually damaging
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
3) stimulus actively and persistently sought out
4) dose becomes higher or behaviour steadily more extreme to obtain the
same
effect.
I didn't bother googling where you got that.
How do you figure that describes gay behavior, though? I mean, as opposed
to, say, having girlfriends who are on the pill?
Curt
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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20 Aug 2006 09:40:46 AM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:QHTFg.582$hP6.121@trnddc04...
On 18-Aug-2006, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:42:49 +0100, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
When people start claiming that heterosexuality is an "orientation"
rather than a addiction, ....
Do you see the stupidity of your statement?
Sigh.
Heterosexual activity is behaviour a human needs to show in order to
complete his life cycle.
Billions of talented, fulfilled homosexual people throughour human history
prove you motherfuckers WRONG -- and that depite the persecution.
Adaptive behaviours are not normally considered "addictions".
You "adapted" to behaving heterosexually? That would imply that you chose it
over your homosexual feelings. You couldn't "adapt" to your homosexuality?
The characteristics of addictions are
1) Not adaptive, usually damaging
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
3) stimulus actively and persistently sought out
4) dose becomes higher or behaviour steadily more extreme to obtain the
same effect.
I think you have yet to adapt to your humanity.
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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20 Aug 2006 11:30:26 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:QHTFg.582$hP6.121@trnddc04...
On 18-Aug-2006, Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:42:49 +0100, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
When people start claiming that heterosexuality is an "orientation"
rather than a addiction, ....
Do you see the stupidity of your statement?
Sigh.
Heterosexual activity is behaviour a human needs to show in order to
complete his life cycle.
That leaves out sterile/infertile people... and post-menopausal women.
Both of those sub-sets of heterosexuals DO engage in heterosexual
activity.
Adaptive behaviours are not normally considered
"addictions".
The characteristics of addictions are
1) Not adaptive, usually damaging
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
Just like heterosexuals!
3) stimulus actively and persistently sought out
See Playboy, Penthouse, porn flicks, etc.
4) dose becomes higher or behaviour steadily more extreme to obtain the same
effect.
Really? And you peer reviewed evidence for this is?
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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20 Aug 2006 02:25:37 PM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote
Malcolm wrote:
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message Heterosexual activity is behaviour
a human needs to show in order to complete his life cycle.
That leaves out sterile/infertile people... and post-menopausal women.
Both of those sub-sets of heterosexuals DO engage in heterosexual
activity.
Sterile / infertile people don't "know" in the evolutionary sense that they
are infertile. Modern technology might tell them this.
Post-menopausal women, that's a bit more complicated. There are theories
about why post-menopausal women engage in sexual activity but we don't
really know the answer. The behaviour is almost certainly adaptive however,
that's one of the lynchpins of evolutinary psychology.
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens, investment of resources, associations with violence
and other undesireable behaviours.
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
Just like heterosexuals!
There aren't many people of a "homosexual orientation" who haven't engaged
in some form of homosexual activity. That's not true for heterosexuals. You
need the stimulus in order to become a homosexual, just like you need a
drink to become an alcoholic.
3) stimulus actively and persistently sought out
See Playboy, Penthouse, porn flicks, etc.
Pornography also has addictive qualities. I don't regard heterosexual
activity per se as sinful, but that doesn't mean I am any defender of
Playboy.
4) dose becomes higher or behaviour steadily more extreme to obtain the
same effect.
Really? And you peer reviewed evidence for this is?
The peer review system doesn't work for politically controversial science.
The peer reviewers are themselves part of the political process.
There is plenty of evidence that homosexuals gradually adopt more and more
extreme behaviours to obtain the same effects. No homosexual starts by
checking into a bath house.
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20 Aug 2006 04:41:00 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens, investment of resources, associations with violence
and other undesireable behaviours.
Just like heterosexuals!
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
Just like heterosexuals!
There aren't many people of a "homosexual orientation" who haven't engaged
in some form of homosexual activity.
And you know this because...?
I'd bet you're not one of them.
That's not true for heterosexuals.
And you know this because...
I'd bet you're not one of them, either.
You need the stimulus in order to become a homosexual, just like you need
a drink to become an alcoholic.
I didn't "become" *a* homosexual. I have a homosexual orientation. When did
you "become" a heterosexual (I'll pretend you are)?
3) stimulus actively and persistently sought out
See Playboy, Penthouse, porn flicks, etc.
Pornography also has addictive qualities. I don't regard heterosexual
activity per se as sinful, but that doesn't mean I am any defender of
Playboy.
4) dose becomes higher or behaviour steadily more extreme to obtain the
same effect.
Really? And you peer reviewed evidence for this is?
The peer review system doesn't work for politically controversial science.
The peer reviewers are themselves part of the political process.
There is plenty of evidence that homosexuals gradually adopt more and more
extreme behaviours to obtain the same effects.
"Effects"? What would those be? The same ones you produce by jerking off to
your secret gay porn videos?
And are you implying that no heterosexual people have engaged in "extreme"
sexual behaviors?
No homosexual starts by checking into a bath house.
Honestly, where do you get your information -- comic books?
I've been homosexual all my 50 years -- I've never visited a bathhouse, and
so far no one has taken away my gay card.
And there are certainly many homosexual men living out there who visited
bath houses decades ago, but never do anymore. What's your cockamamie theory
on them? De-evolution, maybe?
You're crackers.
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21 Aug 2006 05:42:10 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote
Malcolm wrote:
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message Heterosexual activity is behaviour
a human needs to show in order to complete his life cycle.
That leaves out sterile/infertile people... and post-menopausal women.
Both of those sub-sets of heterosexuals DO engage in heterosexual
activity.
Sterile / infertile people don't "know" in the evolutionary sense that they
are infertile. Modern technology might tell them this.
Post-menopausal women, that's a bit more complicated. There are theories
about why post-menopausal women engage in sexual activity but we don't
really know the answer. The behaviour is almost certainly adaptive however,
that's one of the lynchpins of evolutinary psychology.
We engage in sex because the intimicy is precious, the orgasms are glorious and
because we CAN.
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens, investment of resources, associations with violence
and other undesireable behaviours.
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
Just like heterosexuals!
There aren't many people of a "homosexual orientation" who haven't engaged
in some form of homosexual activity. That's not true for heterosexuals. You
need the stimulus in order to become a homosexual, just like you need a
drink to become an alcoholic.
No, most people of a heteroxesual orientation have indeed engaged in
heterosexual behaviour.
--
Brightest Blessings;
Caillean; Lady Carrigaholt
I Who am the beauty of the green earth and the white moon among the stars and
the mysteries of the waters,
I call upon your soul to arise and come unto me.
For I am the soul of nature that gives life to the universe.
From Me all things proceed and unto Me they must return.
Let My worship be in the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and
pleasure are My rituals.
Let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility,
mirth and reverence within you.
And you who seek to know Me, know that the seeking and yearning will avail you
not, unless you know the Mystery: for if that which you seek, you find not
within yourself, you will never find it without.
For behold, I have been with you from the beginning, and I am That which is
attained at the end of desire
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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20 Aug 2006 03:11:41 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote
Malcolm wrote:
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message Heterosexual activity is behaviour
a human needs to show in order to complete his life cycle.
That leaves out sterile/infertile people... and post-menopausal women.
Both of those sub-sets of heterosexuals DO engage in heterosexual
activity.
Sterile / infertile people don't "know" in the evolutionary sense that they
are infertile. Modern technology might tell them this.
Post-menopausal women, that's a bit more complicated. There are theories
about why post-menopausal women engage in sexual activity but we don't
really know the answer.
Let me suggest "because it feels good" is probably the answer.
The behaviour is almost certainly adaptive however,
that's one of the lynchpins of evolutinary psychology.
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and there are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there are
more heterosexuals.
investment of resources,
Just like heterosexuals who spend hours going to singles bars and
social events looking for mates? Just like heterosexuals who spend lots
of money buying fancy cars and clothes in order to attract a mate?
associations with violence
What associations with violence? If you mean the risk that homosexuals
might be gay-bashed, that is caused by prejudice/malice towards gays and
not by anything intrinsic to homosexuality.
IMO we can see this from comparison to the ancient north American
indigenous people's cultures where the "berdasch" was a respected and
valued member of the tribe/community. We can also see this in modern
cultures, such as in Europe and Canada where gays have full civil rights
[including marriage], where cases of gay-bashing are much lower and have
not been as tragic as, for example, Matthew Shepard or James Beard [sp?].
and other undesireable behaviours.
Such as? I was asking for specifics not generalities or blanket
statements.
2) behaviour doesn't show until exposed to the stimulus
Just like heterosexuals!
There aren't many people of a "homosexual orientation" who haven't engaged
in some form of homosexual activity.
Are you claiming there is no such thing as a homosexual virgin?
That's not true for heterosexuals. You
need the stimulus in order to become a homosexual,
Not according to my younger brother and many other homosexuals I have
talked to. They have all said they knew they were gay long before they
ever acted on it by having a sexual encounter. There were those of us
in the family who suspected my brother was gay long before he himself
realised it.
Apparently you haven't talked to many homosexuals.
just like you need a
drink to become an alcoholic.
Are you equating homosexuality and alcoholism? If so, what peer
reviewed evidence from the scientific journals are you relying on to
back this assertion?
3) stimulus actively and persistently sought out
See Playboy, Penthouse, porn flicks, etc.
Pornography also has addictive qualities. I don't regard heterosexual
activity per se as sinful, but that doesn't mean I am any defender of
Playboy.
Sinful! There is our clue. You are arguing from the religious
perspective as the concept of "sinful" has no place in science. I was
under the impression that you claimed to in the biological sciences and
were attempting to make an argument from science.
You are of course welcome to make a religious argument with the proviso
that the beliefs/dogma of your cult has NO RELEVANCE to those who are
not members of your particular cult... and further, have NO RELEVANCE to
the CIVIL laws of the land in a country with freedom OF and FROM
religion. [BTW: ALL religions are cults by definition].
4) dose becomes higher or behaviour steadily more extreme to obtain the
same effect.
Really? And you peer reviewed evidence for this is?
The peer review system doesn't work for politically controversial science.
The science around homosexuality is only "politically controversial"
amongst a small sub-set of people who are mainly religionists. None of
the evidence they have presented where they claim homosexuality is a
"choice" or can be "cured" has held any water on it's own merits.
Within that group, no longitudinal studies of their "therapy" have been
conducted with any kind of scientific rigour - the evidence appears to
be all anecdotal and "faith based".
The peer reviewers are themselves part of the political process.
Only the religionists who disagree with the well documented and oft
replicated scientific studies.
There is plenty of evidence that homosexuals gradually adopt more and more
extreme behaviours to obtain the same effects.
Post examples of that evidence from reliable, mainstream sources not
affiliated with any of the religionist groups.
No homosexual starts by
checking into a bath house.
Just as no heterosexual starts out by going to a singles bar... and
probably for the same reason - they are too young to get in!
People, hetero and homo, go to the places where others with similar
interests and availability tend to congregate in order to seek out a
mate. Reminds me of a line from Top Gun where one character calls the
bar they are in a "target rich environment" in reference to the many
women present.
Besides, you have not presented any evidence that going to a bath house
is "more extreme behaviour" than say going to a gay bar. Bear in mind
that there are also heterosexuals who frequent brothels. Do you
consider that a manifestation of "more extreme behaviour" on the part of
those heterosexuals?
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This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail or your public PGP key
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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| User: "Lady Carrigaholt" |
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21 Aug 2006 05:46:21 AM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and there are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there are
more heterosexuals.
By the way, as is usual with these same sex discussions, you all have concentrated
on gay men, statistically probably only about 48% of homosexuals. Lesbians have
very low rates of STD.s overall.
--
Brightest Blessings;
Caillean; Lady Carrigaholt
I Who am the beauty of the green earth and the white moon among the stars and the
mysteries of the waters,
I call upon your soul to arise and come unto me.
For I am the soul of nature that gives life to the universe.
From Me all things proceed and unto Me they must return.
Let My worship be in the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and
pleasure are My rituals.
Let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility, mirth
and reverence within you.
And you who seek to know Me, know that the seeking and yearning will avail you not,
unless you know the Mystery: for if that which you seek, you find not within
yourself, you will never find it without.
For behold, I have been with you from the beginning, and I am That which is
attained at the end of desire
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
21 Aug 2006 09:58:39 AM |
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"Lady Carrigaholt" <Caillean@PaganLesbianWitches.org> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and there
are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there are
more heterosexuals.
By the way, as is usual with these same sex discussions, you all have
concentrated
on gay men, statistically probably only about 48% of homosexuals. Lesbians
have
very low rates of STD.s overall.
Maybe Mr. Malcomb has forgotten the women because, well, he's quite taken
with the men...
;-)
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
21 Aug 2006 10:20:47 AM |
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Newk Indofman wrote:
"Lady Carrigaholt" <Caillean@PaganLesbianWitches.org> wrote in message
news:44E98EF6.540DA5F4@PaganLesbianWitches.org...
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and there
are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there are
more heterosexuals.
By the way, as is usual with these same sex discussions, you all have
concentrated
on gay men, statistically probably only about 48% of homosexuals. Lesbians
have
very low rates of STD.s overall.
Maybe Mr. Malcomb has forgotten the women because, well, he's quite taken
with the men...
;-)
He's a Christian. Of course he doesn't care about the women...
---
No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
21 Aug 2006 12:49:04 PM |
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"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156173647.120985.269650@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Newk Indofman wrote:
"Lady Carrigaholt" <Caillean@PaganLesbianWitches.org> wrote in message
news:44E98EF6.540DA5F4@PaganLesbianWitches.org...
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and
there
are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there are
more heterosexuals.
By the way, as is usual with these same sex discussions, you all have
concentrated
on gay men, statistically probably only about 48% of homosexuals.
Lesbians
have
very low rates of STD.s overall.
Maybe Mr. Malcomb has forgotten the women because, well, he's quite taken
with the men...
;-)
He's a Christian. Of course he doesn't care about the women...
That's right. Only virgins are real women in the church.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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21 Aug 2006 04:13:36 PM |
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"Newk Indofman" <With@FullVoice.org> wrote in message
"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156173647.120985.269650@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Newk Indofman wrote:
"Lady Carrigaholt" <Caillean@PaganLesbianWitches.org> wrote in message
news:44E98EF6.540DA5F4@PaganLesbianWitches.org...
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and
there
are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there are
more heterosexuals.
By the way, as is usual with these same sex discussions, you all have
concentrated
on gay men, statistically probably only about 48% of homosexuals.
Lesbians
have
very low rates of STD.s overall.
Maybe Mr. Malcomb has forgotten the women because, well, he's quite
taken
with the men...
;-)
He's a Christian. Of course he doesn't care about the women...
That's right. Only virgins are real women in the church.
Very few lesbians are virgins. that is to say, have no experience of
heterosexual intercourse.
However it is quite common for male homosexuals to never have experienced
heterosexual intercourse.
What's going on here?
--
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
22 Aug 2006 10:53:09 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:KZmdnVj2bPAa4XbZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@bt.com...
"Newk Indofman" <With@FullVoice.org> wrote in message
"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156173647.120985.269650@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Newk Indofman wrote:
"Lady Carrigaholt" <Caillean@PaganLesbianWitches.org> wrote in message
news:44E98EF6.540DA5F4@PaganLesbianWitches.org...
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and
there
are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there
are
more heterosexuals.
By the way, as is usual with these same sex discussions, you all have
concentrated
on gay men, statistically probably only about 48% of homosexuals.
Lesbians
have
very low rates of STD.s overall.
Maybe Mr. Malcomb has forgotten the women because, well, he's quite
taken
with the men...
;-)
He's a Christian. Of course he doesn't care about the women...
That's right. Only virgins are real women in the church.
Very few lesbians are virgins. that is to say, have no experience of
heterosexual intercourse.
And you know this because?
Honestly, that is a completely unfounded observation, and even if it were
true, so what?
However it is quite common for male homosexuals to never have experienced
heterosexual intercourse.
Duh. Could it be that homosexual people have a homosexual orientation?
What's going on here?
Why, your stupidity, unfortunately.
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
24 Aug 2006 02:37:25 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
Very few lesbians are virgins. that is to say, have no experience of
heterosexual intercourse.
However it is quite common for male homosexuals to never have experienced
heterosexual intercourse.
What's going on here?
Malcolm, I'm astonished that you have never considered an obvious fact
of physiology. A lesbian CAN have heterosexual sex, even if she finds
it off-putting and feels completely unaroused, just to try it and
satisfy curiosity. But it is slightly more difficult for a male to
perform a sex act if he is unaroused and, indeed, turned off. Assuming
you are hetero, if you felt societal pressure to try sex with a man,
could you get it up to do so?
Mystery solved.
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
22 Aug 2006 11:24:28 PM |
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On 21-Aug-2006, "Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Newk Indofman" <With@FullVoice.org> wrote in message
"DarkAngel" <drkangel666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156173647.120985.269650@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Newk Indofman wrote:
"Lady Carrigaholt" <Caillean@PaganLesbianWitches.org> wrote in message
news:44E98EF6.540DA5F4@PaganLesbianWitches.org...
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
In what what is homosexuality "damaging" to homosexuals?
Exposure to pathogens,
Heterosexual have a high rate of exposure to pathogens and
there
are
generally more heterosexuals with STDs at any given time as there
are
more heterosexuals.
By the way, as is usual with these same sex discussions, you all
have
concentrated
on gay men, statistically probably only about 48% of homosexuals.
Lesbians
have
very low rates of STD.s overall.
Maybe Mr. Malcomb has forgotten the women because, well, he's quite
taken
with the men...
;-)
He's a Christian. Of course he doesn't care about the women...
That's right. Only virgins are real women in the church.
Very few lesbians are virgins.
And you know this....how?
that is to say, have no experience of
heterosexual intercourse.
And you know this....how?
However it is quite common for male homosexuals to never have experienced
heterosexual intercourse.
And you know this....how?
What's going on here?
You are making things up again, that's what.
Susan
--
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
23 Aug 2006 03:02:50 PM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:0MQGg.4278$0J6.3129@trnddc02...
On 21-Aug-2006, "Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Very few lesbians are virgins.
And you know this....how?
that is to say, have no experience of
heterosexual intercourse.
And you know this....how?
If you root around on the web you will see various statistics quoted.
Normally something like 80% of lesbians have had heterosexual intercourse. I
suspect the real level is very close to 100%, and there is substantial
under-reporting going on.
Either way, the lesbian who hasn't had sex with a man is a rarity.
However it is quite common for male homosexuals to never have experienced
heterosexual intercourse.
And you know this....how?
Same procedure. The stats for homosexual men who haven't had sex with a
woman show that this is quite common.
What's going on here?
You are making things up again, that's what.
What I think is going on is that, for a woman, to get heterosexual sex is
quite easy. Just put on a short skirt and make it clear that she doesn't
expect commitment, go to a sleazy nightclub, and some man somewhere will bed
her.
For a man, it's a bit more difficult. Even loseish women are a bit fussy
about who they sleep with. So it's slick suit and confident manner, down to
the same sleazy nightclub. And some men can't hack it.
The women who can't establish stable relationships and the men who can't get
sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
--
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
23 Aug 2006 04:24:39 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
{...}
The women who can't establish stable relationships and the men who can't get
sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
So your thesis is that men who as a group are (to generalize): better
dressed than average, better groomed than average, better educated
than average, more likely to be interested in the arts, and
possessed of a higher than average income simply cannot score
with the chicks, no matter how hard they try?
And I'll also mention in passing that all of the lesbians I
personally know are in fact in stable relationships.
-- cary
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
23 Aug 2006 09:04:34 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
{...}
The women who can't establish stable relationships and the men who can't get
sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
So your thesis is that men who as a group are (to generalize): better
dressed than average, better groomed than average, better educated
than average, more likely to be interested in the arts,
usually in good shape from hours in the gym
and
possessed of a higher than average income simply cannot score
with the chicks, no matter how hard they try?
You forgot to mention "and often surrounded by heterosexual women who
count then as their best friends"...
And I'll also mention in passing that all of the lesbians I
personally know are in fact in stable relationships.
-- cary
--
+========= L. Michael Roberts - Goderich, Ontario, Canada ===========+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail or your public PGP key
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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| User: "Curt" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
26 Aug 2006 02:15:40 AM |
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:h7idncVuiry1lHDZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@golden.net...
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
{...}
The women who can't establish stable relationships and the men who
can't get
sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
So your thesis is that men who as a group are (to generalize): better
dressed than average, better groomed than average, better educated
than average, more likely to be interested in the arts,
usually in good shape from hours in the gym
and
possessed of a higher than average income simply cannot score
with the chicks, no matter how hard they try?
You forgot to mention "and often surrounded by heterosexual women who
count then as their best friends"...
And better dancers, usually.
Let's not forget that.
Curt
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals Say They'll Ignore No-Protest Order in Jerusalem |
24 Aug 2006 03:00:14 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:04:34 -0400, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com>
{...}
The women who can't establish stable relationships and the men who can't get
sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
So your thesis is that men who as a group are (to generalize): better
dressed than average, better groomed than average, better educated
than average, more likely to be interested in the arts,
usually in good shape from hours in the gym
More especially, the showers
and
possessed of a higher than average income simply cannot score
with the chicks, no matter how hard they try?
You forgot to mention "and often surrounded by heterosexual women who
count then as their best friends"...
Hey, small price for free hair care.
And I'll also mention in passing that all of the lesbians I
personally know are in fact in stable relationships.
They're fucking horses...
-- cary
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| User: "Newk Indofman" |
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23 Aug 2006 04:15:01 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:KICdnSILv6T7KXHZRVnytQ@bt.com...
The women who can't establish stable relationships and the men who can't
get sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
Please reference the studies which make this claim.
Oh, there aren't any? So this is just you projecting your ***** at the world.
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| User: "Alan Ferris" |
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24 Aug 2006 01:54:40 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:15:01 GMT, "Newk Indofman" <With@FullVoice.org>
wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:KICdnSILv6T7KXHZRVnytQ@bt.com...
The women who can't establish stable relationships and the men who can't
get sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
Please reference the studies which make this claim.
Oh, there aren't any? So this is just you projecting your ***** at the world.
Obviously he has not thought this through, because by his reasoning
bi-sexual's must be the ones who are getting all the sex....DOH!
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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23 Aug 2006 09:02:30 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:0MQGg.4278$0J6.3129@trnddc02...
On 21-Aug-2006, "Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
<snip>
The women who can't establish stable relationships
That must explain the lesbian couples who have been together for
decades - like the couple in San Francisco who had been together for 50+
years when they were the first to be married under the Mayor's policy a
few years back.
and the men who can't get
sex at all are the ones who become homosexuals.
So how does that jibe with your previous statement that "The stats for
homosexual men who haven't had sex with a woman show that this is quite
common."?
And just what exactly is the peer reviewed source of these "stats" and
which mainstream scientific journal were they published in?
--
+========= L. Michael Roberts - Goderich, Ontario, Canada ===========+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail or your public PGP key
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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