Religions > Atheism > How can anyone of sound mind not see through this simplest deception?
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17 Jul 2005 11:05:22 AM |
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How can anyone of sound mind not see through this simplest deception? |
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
1Chron:16:34: O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good; for *his mercy
endureth for ever*.
Ps:106:1: Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good:
for *his mercy endureth for ever*.
Ps:107:1: O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for *his mercy
endureth for ever*.
Ps:117:2: For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and *the truth of
the LORD endureth for ever*. Praise ye the LORD.
Ps:118:1: O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because *his mercy
endureth for ever*.
Ps:118:29: O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for *his mercy
endureth for ever*.
Ps:136:2: O give thanks unto the God of gods: for *his mercy endureth for
ever*.
Ps:136:3: O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for *his mercy endureth for
ever*.
Ps:136:4: To him who alone doeth great wonders: for *his mercy endureth for
ever*.
Ps:136:5: To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for *his mercy endureth
for ever*.
Ps:136:6: To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for *his
mercy endureth for ever*.
Ps:136:7: To him that made great lights: for *his mercy endureth for ever*:
Ps:136:8: The sun to rule by day: for *his mercy endureth for ever*:
Ps:136:9: The moon and stars to rule by night: for *his mercy endureth for
ever*.
Ps:136:16: To him which led his people through the wilderness: for *his
mercy endureth for ever*.
Now, is this the mercy that endureth ever? :
Num:11:1: And when the people complained [of hunger], it displeased the
LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the
LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of
the camp.
Is this the mercy that endureth ever? :
Numbers:15:32: And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they
found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33: And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and
Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34: And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be
done to him.
35: And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all
the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36: And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him
with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
The nail in the God od Israel's coffin :
Ps:136:4: To him *who alone doeth great wonders*: for his mercy endureth for
ever.
Rev:13:12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first
beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And *he doeth great wonders*, so that he maketh fire come down from
heaven on the earth in the sight of men*,
14: And *deceiveth them that dwell on the earth* by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast
2Chron:7:1: Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, *the fire came down
from heaven*, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the
glory of the LORD filled the house.
3: And *when all the children of Israel saw how the fire came down*, and the
glory of the LORD upon the house, *they bowed themselves with their faces to
the ground upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the LORD, saying,
For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever*.
Again, is this the mercy that endureth ever? :
Num:11:21: And Moses said, The people, among whom I am, are six hundred
thousand footmen; and thou hast said, I will give them flesh, that they may
eat a whole month.
22: Shall the flocks and the herds be slain for them, to suffice them? or
shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to suffice
them?
23: And the LORD said unto Moses, Is the LORD's hand waxed short? thou
shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee or not.
31: And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the
sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side,
and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and
as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth.
32: And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the
next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten
homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp.
33: And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the
wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the
people with a very great plague.
34: And he called the name of that place Kibroth-hattaavah: because there
they buried the people that hungered.
Now let's take a look at how God appears in the Old Testament :
2Samuel:22:7: In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God:
and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his
ears.
8: Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and
shook, because he was wroth.
9: There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth
devoured: coals were kindled by it.
10: He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his
feet.
11: And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings
of the wind.
12: And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick
clouds of the skies.
13: Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.
Fire? Darkness? Smoke as a furnace?
Ex:19:18: And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD
descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a
furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
Ex:20:21: And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick
darkness where God was.
Deut:4:11: And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain
burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick
darkness.
Deut:5:22: These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount
out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness
Deut:5:23: And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of
the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto
me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
The same smoke and darkness as a furnace is mentioned in Revelation :
Rv:9:2: And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the
pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened
by reason of the smoke of the pit.
The God of Israel is accompanied by the same smoke, fire and darkness as
that of the bottomless pit of Revelation.
But let's forget about the fire and darkness and smoke coming out of his
nostrils and fire coming out of his mouth for a moment What of the mercy
that endureth ever? Is killing people who were hungry by feeding them
plagued meat the mercy that endureth ever?
Is burning people to death who complained of hunger considered the mercy
that endureth ever?
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18 Jul 2005 12:06:15 PM |
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
SNIP<<
It's such a shame, that people still uses the technique of invoking fear in
people, instead of using wisdom to make them follow something.
In all these sentences; where is the wisdom; the insight; the path?
Fortunately today people have become wiser, and are less likely to fall in
the claws of people that breathes hell upon them. *lol*
--
Metta Cittena
Peter Holmgren
"May all beings be blessed with happiness..."
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18 Jul 2005 12:13:36 PM |
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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
SNIP<<
It's such a shame, that people still uses the technique of invoking fear
in people, instead of using wisdom to make them follow something.
In all these sentences; where is the wisdom; the insight; the path?
Fortunately today people have become wiser, and are less likely to fall in
the claws of people that breathes hell upon them. *lol*
That's what I'm hoping....unfortunately there are a great many people in the
world who are fanatical about the old books of scripture such as the Torah,
and they are the ones who are most likely to fall for a future deception
that has its roots firmly planted in those old books because of God's
unmerciful and condemning nature of darkness, as described in them.
--
Metta Cittena
Peter Holmgren
"May all beings be blessed with happiness..."
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| User: "Peter Holmgren" |
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19 Jul 2005 04:05:52 AM |
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
SNIP<<
It's such a shame, that people still uses the technique of invoking fear
in people, instead of using wisdom to make them follow something.
In all these sentences; where is the wisdom; the insight; the path?
Fortunately today people have become wiser, and are less likely to fall
in the claws of people that breathes hell upon them. *lol*
That's what I'm hoping....unfortunately there are a great many people in
the world who are fanatical about the old books of scripture such as the
Torah, and they are the ones who are most likely to fall for a future
deception that has its roots firmly planted in those old books because of
God's unmerciful and condemning nature of darkness, as described in them.
In that case it's a natural development, and there's no need to force
something, which comes by itself.
I think that we are witnessing the beginning of a natural downfall of the
theistic religions. They slowly die out and become extinct. Just like the
mammoths in Siberia did.
--
Metta Cittena
Peter Holmgren
"May all beings be blessed with happiness..."
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| User: "Son of man" |
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19 Jul 2005 09:53:30 AM |
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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:T4KdnYTpLoRJHEffRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
SNIP<<
It's such a shame, that people still uses the technique of invoking fear
in people, instead of using wisdom to make them follow something.
In all these sentences; where is the wisdom; the insight; the path?
Fortunately today people have become wiser, and are less likely to fall
in the claws of people that breathes hell upon them. *lol*
That's what I'm hoping....unfortunately there are a great many people in
the world who are fanatical about the old books of scripture such as the
Torah, and they are the ones who are most likely to fall for a future
deception that has its roots firmly planted in those old books because of
God's unmerciful and condemning nature of darkness, as described in them.
In that case it's a natural development, and there's no need to force
something, which comes by itself.
I think that we are witnessing the beginning of a natural downfall of the
theistic religions. They slowly die out and become extinct. Just like the
mammoths in Siberia did.
But...never understimate the power of the Dark Side.
--
Metta Cittena
Peter Holmgren
"May all beings be blessed with happiness..."
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19 Jul 2005 06:23:28 PM |
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Son of man wrote:
"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:T4KdnYTpLoRJHEffRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
SNIP<<
It's such a shame, that people still uses the technique of invoking fear
in people, instead of using wisdom to make them follow something.
In all these sentences; where is the wisdom; the insight; the path?
Fortunately today people have become wiser, and are less likely to fall
in the claws of people that breathes hell upon them. *lol*
That's what I'm hoping....unfortunately there are a great many people in
the world who are fanatical about the old books of scripture such as the
Torah, and they are the ones who are most likely to fall for a future
deception that has its roots firmly planted in those old books because of
God's unmerciful and condemning nature of darkness, as described in them.
In that case it's a natural development, and there's no need to force
something, which comes by itself.
I think that we are witnessing the beginning of a natural downfall of the
theistic religions. They slowly die out and become extinct. Just like the
mammoths in Siberia did.
But...never understimate the power of the Dark Side.
I see you're back and still representing this great power you
worship. Give a guy a little extra melanin and it goes straight to his
head.
--
Metta Cittena
Peter Holmgren
"May all beings be blessed with happiness..."
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19 Jul 2005 07:03:52 PM |
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<PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:T4KdnYTpLoRJHEffRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
SNIP<<
It's such a shame, that people still uses the technique of invoking
fear
in people, instead of using wisdom to make them follow something.
In all these sentences; where is the wisdom; the insight; the path?
Fortunately today people have become wiser, and are less likely to
fall
in the claws of people that breathes hell upon them. *lol*
That's what I'm hoping....unfortunately there are a great many people
in
the world who are fanatical about the old books of scripture such as
the
Torah, and they are the ones who are most likely to fall for a future
deception that has its roots firmly planted in those old books because
of
God's unmerciful and condemning nature of darkness, as described in
them.
In that case it's a natural development, and there's no need to force
something, which comes by itself.
I think that we are witnessing the beginning of a natural downfall of
the
theistic religions. They slowly die out and become extinct. Just like
the
mammoths in Siberia did.
But...never understimate the power of the Dark Side.
I see you're back and still representing this great power you
worship. Give a guy a little extra melanin and it goes straight to his
head.
Is that the way you address your King?
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| User: "" |
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20 Jul 2005 04:35:12 AM |
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Son of man wrote:
<PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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"Peter Holmgren" <info@theravada.[dk]> wrote in message
news:fkRCe.62$Ov2.33@news.get2net.dk...
"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:T4KdnYTpLoRJHEffRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
SNIP<<
It's such a shame, that people still uses the technique of invoking
fear
in people, instead of using wisdom to make them follow something.
In all these sentences; where is the wisdom; the insight; the path?
Fortunately today people have become wiser, and are less likely to
fall
in the claws of people that breathes hell upon them. *lol*
That's what I'm hoping....unfortunately there are a great many people
in
the world who are fanatical about the old books of scripture such as
the
Torah, and they are the ones who are most likely to fall for a future
deception that has its roots firmly planted in those old books because
of
God's unmerciful and condemning nature of darkness, as described in
them.
In that case it's a natural development, and there's no need to force
something, which comes by itself.
I think that we are witnessing the beginning of a natural downfall of
the
theistic religions. They slowly die out and become extinct. Just like
the
mammoths in Siberia did.
But...never understimate the power of the Dark Side.
I see you're back and still representing this great power you
worship. Give a guy a little extra melanin and it goes straight to his
head.
Is that the way you address your King?
We have a Queen, currently, as the reigning monarch of the United
Kingdom and she is addressed: Her Majesty. To address you, I would say
something along the lines of: Yo, Orisha Boy. Been to any bembes
lately?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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19 Jul 2005 09:44:23 AM |
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Peter Holmgren wrote:
SNIP<<
In that case it's a natural development, and there's no need to force
something, which comes by itself.
I think that we are witnessing the beginning of a natural downfall of
the theistic religions. They slowly die out and become extinct. Just
like the mammoths in Siberia did.
Sadly they might also just keep changing slightly and last as the shark
does.
DISCLAIMER: Any comparison to sharks and clergy is purely coincidental.
Sharks are neat creatures.
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17 Jul 2005 11:13:14 AM |
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
endureth for ever :
except for adam and eve obviously
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| User: "Sasha" |
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17 Jul 2005 12:25:25 PM |
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Or when he almost had that poor ***** sacrafice his child, only to
say "just kidding!" at the last second.
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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17 Jul 2005 02:45:26 PM |
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/merciful.html
RS
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| User: "Son of man" |
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17 Jul 2005 04:43:55 PM |
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"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/merciful.html
RS
There is an error in
Dt.7:16
"And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver
thee; thine eye shall have no pit upon them."
should be "pity"
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| User: "Sasha" |
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18 Jul 2005 09:35:38 AM |
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"should be "pity""
Awesome...so God has no pity. Sounds very merciful.
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| User: "Son of man" |
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18 Jul 2005 09:42:32 AM |
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"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"should be "pity""
Awesome...so God has no pity. Sounds very merciful.
The Old Testament God has no pity and is a liar because he also says his
mercy endureth ever which is completely discredited by his murder of a man
who was only minding his own business in the wilderness (Num:15:32-36) as
well as a multitude of other instances too numerous to get into (Numbers,
Exodus, Deuteromomy, Joshua, the list goes on and on).
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| User: "Sasha" |
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18 Jul 2005 02:47:43 PM |
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"The Old Testament God"
It doesn't matter what kind of God you think he is. Using the bible as
the end-all, be-all proof of Jesus is like using Archie comics as the
end-all, be-all text on sociology.
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| User: "Son of man" |
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18 Jul 2005 03:24:07 PM |
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"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"The Old Testament God"
It doesn't matter what kind of God you think he is. Using the bible as
the end-all, be-all proof of Jesus
Who was doing that? I never once claimed the Bible was the proof of Jesus.
is like using Archie comics as the
end-all, be-all text on sociology.
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| User: "" |
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19 Jul 2005 06:35:50 PM |
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Son of man wrote:
"Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"The Old Testament God"
It doesn't matter what kind of God you think he is. Using the bible as
the end-all, be-all proof of Jesus
Who was doing that? I never once claimed the Bible was the proof of Jesus.
No, It's worse than that. You try to use Jesus and Buddha to prove
each other in a sort of Hari-Christmas, Channukah-Diwali,
Trimurti-Triune Three-in-one, Mono-atheistic heap of Polycrap.
is like using Archie comics as the
end-all, be-all text on sociology.
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| User: "dt" |
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18 Jul 2005 02:51:31 PM |
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Sasha wrote:
"The Old Testament God"
It doesn't matter what kind of God you think he is. Using the bible as
the end-all, be-all proof of Jesus is like using Archie comics as the
end-all, be-all text on sociology.
Or at least, Jughead...
DT
http://www.thehungersite.com/
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19 Jul 2005 06:30:08 PM |
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Sasha wrote:
"The Old Testament God"
It doesn't matter what kind of God you think he is. Using the bible as
the end-all, be-all proof of Jesus is like using Archie comics as the
end-all, be-all text on sociology.
Oh my Gosh, Veronica, did you hear that? It seems that Son of Man
is more Jughead than Godhead. And Reggie is the
AntiChrist...AAAGGGHHHH!
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17 Jul 2005 04:10:22 PM |
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"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown). Did you take a
look at the instances I also quoted?
Look at this.
Revelation calls the Devil the dragon and the old serpent. What's a dragon?
A creature that blows smoke through its nostrils and fire through its mouth:
2Sam:22:9: There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his
mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
And as far as being the old serpent :
Num:21:8: And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set
it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten,
when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9: And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to
pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of
brass, he lived.
Rev:13:12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him
[The God of Israel], and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to
worship the first beast [The God of Israel], whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven
on the earth in the sight of men [all throughout the Old Testament],
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them
that dwell on the earth, that *they should make an image to the beast*,
which had the wound by a sword [these words], and did live [because theists
are so desperate to believe in God, they are willing to take the first one
that comes along, no matter how evil].
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/merciful.html
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18 Jul 2005 12:45:07 AM |
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Son of man wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
Look at this.
Revelation calls the Devil the dragon and the old serpent.
Nowhere it is clear that either the serpent or the dragon are
the devil. The serpent for instance is more likely to be a prank
by the Biblical god to make Adam & Eve eat the apple.
What's a dragon? A creature that blows smoke through its nostrils
and fire through its mouth:
And since such a being does not exist, it is nothing but a
fantasy on par with the easter bunny.
And as far as being the old serpent :
Num:21:8: And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set
it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten,
when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9: And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to
pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of
brass, he lived.
Rev:13:12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him
[The God of Israel], and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to
worship the first beast [The God of Israel], whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven
on the earth in the sight of men [all throughout the Old Testament],
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them
that dwell on the earth, that *they should make an image to the beast*,
which had the wound by a sword [these words], and did live [because theists
are so desperate to believe in God, they are willing to take the first one
that comes along, no matter how evil].
Of course the verses are totally unrelated to one another. They
are from different times, written by different authors in
totally different contexts. The Bible is nothing but a patchwork
of fairy tales.
RS
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18 Jul 2005 09:39:57 AM |
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"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha is the King of Wisdom and is the Spiritual Father who
begat Christ the Prince -- his disciple who followed in his own mastery of
wisdom and virtue.
Rather than allow a deceived people (Those who believe in the Old Testament
God) to perish, he sent Christ to reform their religion.
Of course the New Testament isn't perfect either, it has very much theist
bias because of the primary audience it was intended for. Remember, it is
impossible for Christ to directly challege their God's actions and at the
same time be accepted as their Messiah. The only way to save those who
already accepted God as fact is to not take away the belief in God
(impossible) but to rather reform their ideas about God.
The gospel of John redeines God to mean the spirit of Love, which no man has
ever seen, but which is perfected in us when we love one another.
Buy such a definiiton, the Buddha was God-like and is in fact the Father who
is greater than all which Christ refers to.
Of the four gospels, only in the gospel of John does Jesus refer to himself
as "Son of God".
In the other three gospels nowhere does Jesus call himself "Son of God", but
"Son of man".
Also compare Matt:26:63-64 and Luke:22:70 to Mark:14:61-62.
The authors certainly are hinting that there is a subtle difference between
"Son of the Blessed One" and "Son of God" based on the different answers
Jesus gives.
The Buddha often praised [spoke highly of] the son of the Blessed One many
times, as in MN 111, and MN 92.
So to clarify, the OT God isn't my God. I don't believe in a creator God,
and when Jesus uses the term Father his working definition is "The one whose
spirit our own spirits are made into the likeness of" since he told the
Jews who wanted to kill him that they were of their father the devil who was
a murderer from the beginning and now they were becoming of that spirit
spirit of murder and lies also defining the Devil as a liar and the father
of lies.
Look at this.
Revelation calls the Devil the dragon and the old serpent.
Nowhere it is clear that either the serpent or the dragon are
the devil. The serpent for instance is more likely to be a prank
by the Biblical god to make Adam & Eve eat the apple.
What's a dragon? A creature that blows smoke through its nostrils
and fire through its mouth:
And since such a being does not exist, it is nothing but a
fantasy on par with the easter bunny.
And as far as being the old serpent :
Num:21:8: And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and
set
it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten,
when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9: And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came
to
pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of
brass, he lived.
Rev:13:12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him
[The God of Israel], and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein
to
worship the first beast [The God of Israel], whose deadly wound was
healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from
heaven
on the earth in the sight of men [all throughout the Old Testament],
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to
them
that dwell on the earth, that *they should make an image to the beast*,
which had the wound by a sword [these words], and did live [because
theists
are so desperate to believe in God, they are willing to take the first
one
that comes along, no matter how evil].
Of course the verses are totally unrelated to one another. They
are from different times, written by different authors in
totally different contexts. The Bible is nothing but a patchwork
of fairy tales.
RS
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18 Jul 2005 10:35:48 AM |
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"Son of man" <sonofman1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha
Is fat
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18 Jul 2005 11:49:06 AM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's
mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha
Is fat
Not Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha, who lived in India some 500 years BC.
A common mistake in the West is to confuse the Buddha with the Chinese God
of Luck (rub his belly and make a wish) which really bears no relation to
the historical Buddha at all. Look up "Buddha" in an encyclopedia.
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18 Jul 2005 12:14:22 PM |
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Son of man wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's
mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha
Is fat
Not Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha, who lived in India some 500 years BC.
I have a Buddha, he is fat.
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18 Jul 2005 12:17:11 PM |
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Son of man wrote:
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's
mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha
Is fat
Not Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha, who lived in India some 500 years BC.
I have a Buddha, he is fat.
I don't know if it's possible for a Buddha to be fat, since a Buddha takes
the middle way, avoiding overindulgence in eating.
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18 Jul 2005 12:33:39 PM |
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"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's
mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha
Is fat
Not Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha, who lived in India some 500 years
BC.
I have a Buddha, he is fat.
I don't know if it's possible for a Buddha to be fat, since a Buddha takes
the middle way, avoiding overindulgence in eating.
None the less, he's fat... he's also cute, but he's fat
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18 Jul 2005 01:10:20 PM |
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Mickey wrote:
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Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's
mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha
Is fat
Not Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha, who lived in India some 500 years
BC.
I have a Buddha, he is fat.
I don't know if it's possible for a Buddha to be fat, since a Buddha takes
the middle way, avoiding overindulgence in eating.
None the less, he's fat... he's also cute, but he's fat
Don't forget the retractable type penis.
--
One person's dumb is another person's dada.
-Daryl, ABSFG
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18 Jul 2005 02:11:03 PM |
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"Ben" <eggplantontoast@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
When did I ever say I believed in God?
I believe the Buddha
Is fat
Not Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha, who lived in India some 500
years BC.
I have a Buddha, he is fat.
I don't know if it's possible for a Buddha to be fat, since a Buddha
takes the middle way, avoiding overindulgence in eating.
None the less, he's fat... he's also cute, but he's fat
Don't forget the retractable type penis.
And the swastikas on his hands and feet.
Ned
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18 Jul 2005 12:43:52 AM |
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Son of man wrote:
"Richard Smol" <jazzcat@_NOSPAM_dds.nl> wrote in message
news:a0bcd$42dab552$3ea3ea5b$24251@news.chello.nl...
Son of man wrote:
Just some of the instances where the Old Testament says God's mercry
Of course this is contradicted by many verses in which
this god is not particularly merciful.
Which is why it's a very simple deception (after it's shown).
Did you take a look at the instances I also quoted?
So you're saying your god is a deceiver?
Look at this.
Revelation calls the Devil the dragon and the old serpent.
Nowhere it is clear that either the serpent or the dragon are
the devil. The serpent for instance is more likely to be a prank
by the Biblical god to make Adam & Eve eat the apple.
What's a dragon? A creature that blows smoke through its nostrils
and fire through its mouth:
And since such a create does not exist, it's nothing but a
fairy tail on par with the easter bunny.
And as far as being the old serpent :
Num:21:8: And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set
it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten,
when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9: And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to
pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of
brass, he lived.
Rev:13:12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him
[The God of Israel], and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to
worship the first beast [The God of Israel], whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven
on the earth in the sight of men [all throughout the Old Testament],
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them
that dwell on the earth, that *they should make an image to the beast*,
which had the wound by a sword [these words], and did live [because theists
are so desperate to believe in God, they are willing to take the first one
that comes along, no matter how evil].
Of course the verses are totally unrelated to one another. They
are from different times, written by different authors with
totally different contexts. The Bible is nothing but a patchwork
of fairytales.
RS
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