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"Indefual" |
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02 Nov 2003 06:54:02 PM |
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How can we prove we don't worship Satan? |
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
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"If you don't have a sense of humor,
you probably don't have any sense at all." -Unknown
http://www.indefual.net/
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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02 Nov 2003 08:59:50 PM |
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"Indefual" <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in message
news:KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com...
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
You can't prove it. Ask them to prove they don't worship Satan.
--
:"Everythin's better with DoFunny on it."
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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02 Nov 2003 08:57:41 PM |
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"Indefual" <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in message
news:KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com...
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
At this point, you realize it is impossible to convince this person of
anything. Politely excuse yourself to go to the bathroom, refresh your
drink, and move in on the hot soccer-mom in the she-devil outfit.
Seriously though, from their perspective, you are an agent of Satan. Since
you do not promote any gods, you do not promote theirs...evil!
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| User: "xyz" |
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03 Nov 2003 07:39:56 PM |
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"Indefual" <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in message
news:KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com...
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
You are innocent until proven guilty.
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
--
"If you don't have a sense of humor,
you probably don't have any sense at all." -Unknown
http://www.indefual.net/
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: How can we prove we don't worship Satan? |
03 Nov 2003 11:58:31 AM |
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2003-11-03, 01:54:02 AM, Indefual wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying
that atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a
counter argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would
probably think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If
I argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument
would be that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his
bidding unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism,
murder, rape, bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
If you're rational enough not to believe in god, would you at the same
time be so irrational as to believe in, and worship, satan?
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| User: "johac" |
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02 Nov 2003 11:52:00 PM |
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In article <KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
Well as an atheist and a skeptic, just as I see no evidence for gods,
I also see no evidence for devils, angels, ghosts, elves, fairies,
leprechauns, or any other supernatural critters. In the absence of
evidence, I see no reason to believe in them and certainly none to
worship them.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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03 Nov 2003 05:21:27 AM |
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In article <KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
There's no need, I think. As Jonathan Swift once said, "It is useless to
try to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into."
It seems to me that trying to argue such a point would only dignify such
an idiotic assertion.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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03 Nov 2003 04:59:25 PM |
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Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in
news:KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying
that atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a
counter argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
Forget it. How can christians prove they don't worship satan?.
Llanzlan
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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02 Nov 2003 11:38:55 PM |
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Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in
news:KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying
that atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a
counter argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would
probably think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If
I argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would
be that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder,
rape, bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
"Satan" is the only way they have to explain away those that don't buy
into their *****. If you look at it from an objective viewpoint,
which, unfortunately for them is impossible, it's really quite sad. In
order to justify their imaginary friends, they have to create imaginary
enemies. There is no logical means to argue with these feeble-minded
fools. Just laugh at them and go about your business.
--
Blast Femur
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So, what are you going to do with the first 18,547,387,259,122,090 years
of eternity?
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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03 Nov 2003 05:07:17 PM |
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Blast Femur <you@wish.com> wrote in
news:Xns9427DC276B8B9blastfemur@216.148.227.77:
Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in
news:KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying
that atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a
counter argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would
probably think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If
I argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument
would be that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his
bidding unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism,
murder, rape, bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
"Satan" is the only way they have to explain away those that don't buy
into their *****. If you look at it from an objective viewpoint,
which, unfortunately for them is impossible, it's really quite sad.
In order to justify their imaginary friends, they have to create
imaginary enemies. There is no logical means to argue with these
feeble-minded fools. Just laugh at them and go about your business.
Exactly. The theists even accuse each other of worshiping satan/and or
idols. Tell the christians to prove to the moslems and visa versa that
they aren't worshipping some non existant spook or other. The whole
concept is absurd.
Llanzlan.
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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03 Nov 2003 10:02:07 PM |
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Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote in
news:Xns94297B3EDFC0DLlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6:
Blast Femur <you@wish.com> wrote in
news:Xns9427DC276B8B9blastfemur@216.148.227.77:
Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in
news:KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying
that atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a
counter argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would
probably think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If
I argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument
would be that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his
bidding unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism,
murder, rape, bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
"Satan" is the only way they have to explain away those that don't buy
into their *****. If you look at it from an objective viewpoint,
which, unfortunately for them is impossible, it's really quite sad.
In order to justify their imaginary friends, they have to create
imaginary enemies. There is no logical means to argue with these
feeble-minded fools. Just laugh at them and go about your business.
Exactly. The theists even accuse each other of worshiping satan/and or
idols. Tell the christians to prove to the moslems and visa versa that
they aren't worshipping some non existant spook or other. The whole
concept is absurd.
Llanzlan.
Yet both sides are deadly serious. TNT strapped to torsos serious.
--
Blast Femur
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So, what are you going to do with the first 18,547,387,259,122,090 years
of eternity?
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| User: "gardibolt" |
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07 Nov 2003 12:59:33 PM |
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Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in message news:<KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
A better question is how can xians prove that THEY don't worship
Satan? The evidence is laid out pretty will at EvilBible.com, and
when you add that to the notion that Satan can quote scripture to suit
his ends, they end up in a bag that they can't really punch their way
out of.
gardhi
aa #1964
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| User: "jwk" |
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03 Nov 2003 09:56:04 AM |
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Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in message news:<KGhpb.883$mB5.149510@news20.bellglobal.com>...
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
The best response, I believe, is a hearty "***** you".
jwk
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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03 Nov 2003 09:47:52 AM |
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Indefual wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
I don't think that "Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that
being is a god or a fallen angel" is sufficient. Beyond that, the burden of
proof is on the person making the assertion ie the Christian who is claiming
you are a Satanist. If they insist, remind them about the Commandment
involving false witness and call them a liar right to their face.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "spakka" |
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03 Nov 2003 11:36:07 AM |
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Indefual wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan.
'Worship' as practised by theists entails grovelling self-abasement not
indulged in by atheists (barring some sexual practices).
Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
Think of a colourful curse against jesus or his invisible sidekicks,
the more deviant the better. Ask the christian to repeat it. The
christian will be unable to comply. Ask the christian to devise a
similar phrase cursing satan. You will be able to say it. QED.
If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly.
Does the christian eat regularly at McDonalds? If not, he is an
unwitting instrument of the Hamburglar.
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| User: "raven1" |
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02 Nov 2003 10:10:55 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
Why would you bother? It's as pointless as trying to prove that we
don't conspire to conquer the world for our Jewish masters, or
sacrifice and eat little children on Walpurgisnacht; nothing you could
say would affect anyone stupid enough to believe any of the above.
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| User: "jwk" |
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03 Nov 2003 09:54:39 AM |
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raven1 <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:<l2lbqvcub7pvf9dnalul0fabshhmal9709@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
Why would you bother? It's as pointless as trying to prove that we
don't conspire to conquer the world for our Jewish masters, or
sacrifice and eat little children on Walpurgisnacht; nothing you could
say would affect anyone stupid enough to believe any of the above.
Is *that when we're supposed to eat children? Damn! I've been
serving ham. Little kids are an everyday dish at my house.
jwk
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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02 Nov 2003 08:42:14 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies,
You do all that as well?
We better not tell the fundies about it :)
and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority. A far larger number believe that satan influences
you without your knowledge, but that is just academic. I have met
very few theists who actually behaved as though they really
believed that I was controlled by an evil spirit.
I said 'No' above. But, of course, if any accidental chinks of
rationally should become visible ...
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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03 Nov 2003 07:05:36 AM |
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Hey,
I would like to thank everyone for responding to my question.
Martin Thomas wrote:
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
[snip]
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority.
I never got the impression that it was as small a minority as you are
suggesting, but all is well then.
Allow me to change the question. Everyone who responded said, basically, a)
there is no way to prove it, b) if they believe it, their too far gone any
way. The reason I initially asked was because I am making a website
designed to introduce people to the concept of atheism: specifically, to
introduce people with a theistic background who may have heard, but don't
really believe, some of the nasty, nasty things about said about atheists.
So my new question is how can we convince someone, who doesn't really
believe that we do worship Satan, that we don't really worship Satan? I
mean, someone who heard a priest/ pastor/ minister say something negative
about atheists (up to and including Satan worshipping), or read something,
or whatever. I want to 'save' as many people as I can, and if their too far
gone, it may not be worth the time.
Also, I'm trying to make it at theist-friendly as possible. (For example, I
didn't use the names for Yahweh, Allah, or G-d I do when seriously
discussing Arabic religions.) Is the quote that I quoted before god enough?
Here it is again:
"Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being is a god or a
fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian god's angel who turned against
the Christian god, and tries to steal worshipers away from that god.
"To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian god, who
atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore, cannot worship Satan. And
even if one were to propose the argument that atheists worship Satan
unwittingly, you have to keep in mind the fact that atheists would be
alarmed at any super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would
probably think that they were going crazy."
(The webpage this is from is
http://www.indefual.net/atheistsarenottheenemy/somemyths.html, The main
page of the site is at http://www.indefual.net/atheistsarenottheenemy/ )
Feel free to give me a critic of it, you know, if anything needs to be
changed (especially spelling).
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
--
"If you don't have a sense of humor,
you probably don't have any sense at all." -Unknown
http://www.indefual.net/
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| User: "Jim07D3" |
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03 Nov 2003 11:16:47 AM |
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Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> said:
Hey,
I would like to thank everyone for responding to my question.
Martin Thomas wrote:
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
[snip]
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority.
I never got the impression that it was as small a minority as you are
suggesting, but all is well then.
Allow me to change the question. Everyone who responded said, basically, a)
there is no way to prove it, b) if they believe it, their too far gone any
way. The reason I initially asked was because I am making a website
designed to introduce people to the concept of atheism: specifically, to
introduce people with a theistic background who may have heard, but don't
really believe, some of the nasty, nasty things about said about atheists.
So my new question is how can we convince someone, who doesn't really
believe that we do worship Satan, that we don't really worship Satan? I
mean, someone who heard a priest/ pastor/ minister say something negative
about atheists (up to and including Satan worshipping), or read something,
or whatever. I want to 'save' as many people as I can, and if their too far
gone, it may not be worth the time.
No matter what argument is raised, here's a rebuttal.
Hah! The fact is you do show worship to Satan every time you profess
your atheism, just like we theists show worship to God when we profess
our theism. So you are lying when you say you don't believe there are
*any* gods -- you believe Satan is a god -- your god. Satan wants you
to lie like that -- that's another example of your worship of Satan,
doing his will. So, OK, maybe there are no "true" atheists, since you
all believe Satan is god. But that's just how we should define atheist
-- first and foremost, a Satan worshiper, then one who denies and
rejects the one true God.
BTW I am not a theist.
Jim07D3
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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03 Nov 2003 05:02:57 PM |
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Indefual <indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote in
news:Aospb.835$VM.73979@news20.bellglobal.com:
Hey,
I would like to thank everyone for responding to my question.
Martin Thomas wrote:
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying
that atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a
counter argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
[snip]
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority.
I never got the impression that it was as small a minority as you are
suggesting, but all is well then.
Allow me to change the question. Everyone who responded said,
basically, a) there is no way to prove it, b) if they believe it,
their too far gone any way. The reason I initially asked was because
I am making a website designed to introduce people to the concept of
atheism: specifically, to introduce people with a theistic background
who may have heard, but don't really believe, some of the nasty, nasty
things about said about atheists.
So my new question is how can we convince someone, who doesn't really
believe that we do worship Satan, that we don't really worship Satan?
I mean, someone who heard a priest/ pastor/ minister say something
negative about atheists (up to and including Satan worshipping), or
read something, or whatever. I want to 'save' as many people as I can,
and if their too far gone, it may not be worth the time.
It's a total waste of time. Ask them to prove that satan / gods etc exist
first.
Llanzlan
<SNIP>
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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03 Nov 2003 12:07:30 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 08:05:36 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Hey,
I would like to thank everyone for responding to my question.
Martin Thomas wrote:
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
[snip]
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority.
I never got the impression that it was as small a minority as you are
suggesting, but all is well then.
I live in the UK where Christianity is dying fast - and most of
the Christians we do have are reasonably tame :)
I have been told in this newsgroup by that in parts of the US
there are many theists who have never got to know any atheists
personally, so they can more easily believe such nonsense. That
must be very unusual over here.
Allow me to change the question. Everyone who responded said, basically, a)
there is no way to prove it, b) if they believe it, their too far gone any
way. The reason I initially asked was because I am making a website
designed to introduce people to the concept of atheism: specifically, to
introduce people with a theistic background who may have heard, but don't
really believe, some of the nasty, nasty things about said about atheists.
So my new question is how can we convince someone, who doesn't really
believe that we do worship Satan, that we don't really worship Satan? I
mean, someone who heard a priest/ pastor/ minister say something negative
about atheists (up to and including Satan worshipping), or read something,
or whatever. I want to 'save' as many people as I can, and if their too far
gone, it may not be worth the time.
Maybe emphasize that we are as human as they are. Despite the
propaganda, atheists are not that much different from other
people.
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Erica" |
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03 Nov 2003 03:03:20 AM |
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In article <khfbqvspiri9bm14lkekd2bpcnetork9sg@4ax.com>,
Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies,
You do all that as well?
We better not tell the fundies about it :)
and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority. A far larger number believe that satan influences
you without your knowledge, but that is just academic. I have met
very few theists who actually behaved as though they really
believed that I was controlled by an evil spirit.
I said 'No' above. But, of course, if any accidental chinks of
rationally should become visible ...
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
Wiccans have the same problem don't they? From what I can tell, they are
a nature religion, and don't buy into the Christian belief system
either. But even more than y'all, they get called satanists.
Imagine how *I* feel. I'm the wrong brand of Christian to some of these
folks -- ie, a LIBERAL (GASP)!! I'm apparently doing Satan's bidding
too, according to some of the nuttier ones.
I agree. Sometimes you just have to smile, nod, take the dang tract and
get across the damn street as fast as you can. Even then, I've had
folks try to determine my stand re: Christianity in the time it takes
for a light to turn from red to green. My answer of "Yes, I am," wasn't
good enough apparently, he had to make sure I was the right KIND of
Christian.
Mleck.
Erica
--
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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03 Nov 2003 02:10:32 PM |
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Erica <scribe53151NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<scribe53151NOSPAM-EB83C3.03032003112003@newshost1.news.tds.net>...
In article <khfbqvspiri9bm14lkekd2bpcnetork9sg@4ax.com>,
Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies,
You do all that as well?
We better not tell the fundies about it :)
and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority. A far larger number believe that satan influences
you without your knowledge, but that is just academic. I have met
very few theists who actually behaved as though they really
believed that I was controlled by an evil spirit.
I said 'No' above. But, of course, if any accidental chinks of
rationally should become visible ...
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
Wiccans have the same problem don't they? From what I can tell, they are
a nature religion, and don't buy into the Christian belief system
either. But even more than y'all, they get called satanists.
Imagine how *I* feel. I'm the wrong brand of Christian to some of these
folks -- ie, a LIBERAL (GASP)!! I'm apparently doing Satan's bidding
too, according to some of the nuttier ones.
I agree. Sometimes you just have to smile, nod, take the dang tract and
get across the damn street as fast as you can. Even then, I've had
folks try to determine my stand re: Christianity in the time it takes
for a light to turn from red to green. My answer of "Yes, I am," wasn't
good enough apparently, he had to make sure I was the right KIND of
Christian.
Mleck.
Erica
"You say "You're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the
Presbyterians and the Methodists ..." - nonsense! I don't have to be
nice to the spirit of the anti-Christ!"
--- Pat Robertson
http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/superstition/quotes.htm
--- Kermit
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| User: "VTM Malkavian" |
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03 Nov 2003 02:21:24 PM |
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Erica wrote:
Wiccans have the same problem don't they? From what I can tell, they are
a nature religion, and don't buy into the Christian belief system
either. But even more than y'all, they get called satanists.
Sorry to nitpick, but I consider myself a sort of non-practicing half-Satanist,
and I can tell you that Satanists don't believe in Satan. He's just a
figurehead chosen because his mere name makes fundamentalists weak in the
knees.
Now Satan WORSHIPERS are quite different. From what I can tell, Satan
Worshipers are essentially trendy, superstitious teenagers who think it's cool
to side with the "supervillain" of the comic book.
Just an observation.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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03 Nov 2003 03:14:56 PM |
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VTM Malkavian wrote:
Erica wrote:
Wiccans have the same problem don't they? From what I can tell, they are
a nature religion, and don't buy into the Christian belief system
either. But even more than y'all, they get called satanists.
Sorry to nitpick, but I consider myself a sort of non-practicing half-Satanist,
and I can tell you that Satanists don't believe in Satan.
Some do, some don't.
He's just a
figurehead chosen because his mere name makes fundamentalists weak in the
knees.
A Church of Satan Satanist practices a religion of selfishness. A Temple of Set
Satanist practices a religion centered on rejection of authority and challenge to
societal norms. Then there are the "traditional" Satanists who are, strictly
speaking, Christian heretics who practice a religion designed to bend the
fundamentalists every which way.
Now Satan WORSHIPERS are quite different. From what I can tell, Satan
Worshipers are essentially trendy, superstitious teenagers who think it's cool
to side with the "supervillain" of the comic book.
I would not call them worshippers. They belong in the same class as the people who
wear rosaries as a necklace with no idea as to the symbolism; it's just the "cool"
thing to do.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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04 Nov 2003 05:06:00 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:03:20 -0600, Erica
<scribe53151NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <khfbqvspiri9bm14lkekd2bpcnetork9sg@4ax.com>,
Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies,
You do all that as well?
We better not tell the fundies about it :)
and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
No.
Just remember that even among theists, the ones who are so far
gone in their madness that they believe you worship Satan are a
small minority. A far larger number believe that satan influences
you without your knowledge, but that is just academic. I have met
very few theists who actually behaved as though they really
believed that I was controlled by an evil spirit.
I said 'No' above. But, of course, if any accidental chinks of
rationally should become visible ...
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
Wiccans have the same problem don't they? From what I can tell, they are
a nature religion, and don't buy into the Christian belief system
either. But even more than y'all, they get called satanists.
I get on OK with pagans and witches. I regard their 'gods' as
being psychological realities, so it is not difficult to
communicate, even though our viewpoints might be different.
Imagine how *I* feel. I'm the wrong brand of Christian to some of these
folks -- ie, a LIBERAL (GASP)!! I'm apparently doing Satan's bidding
too, according to some of the nuttier ones.
Liberals will be first to be Damned!
I agree. Sometimes you just have to smile, nod, take the dang tract and
get across the damn street as fast as you can. Even then, I've had
folks try to determine my stand re: Christianity in the time it takes
for a light to turn from red to green. My answer of "Yes, I am," wasn't
good enough apparently, he had to make sure I was the right KIND of
Christian.
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Erica" |
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05 Nov 2003 11:09:39 PM |
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Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message news:<pv1fqvgr3cj8c3m7gfg1gsiqmvlap6q9p7@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:03:20 -0600, Erica
<scribe53151NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
Imagine how *I* feel. I'm the wrong brand of Christian to some of these
folks -- ie, a LIBERAL (GASP)!! I'm apparently doing Satan's bidding
too, according to some of the nuttier ones.
Liberals will be first to be Damned!
Hoody Hoo! We're #1! We're #1!
Erica
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| User: "raven1" |
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07 Nov 2003 01:28:43 AM |
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On 5 Nov 2003 21:09:39 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message news:<pv1fqvgr3cj8c3m7gfg1gsiqmvlap6q9p7@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:03:20 -0600, Erica
<scribe53151NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
Imagine how *I* feel. I'm the wrong brand of Christian to some of these
folks -- ie, a LIBERAL (GASP)!! I'm apparently doing Satan's bidding
too, according to some of the nuttier ones.
Liberals will be first to be Damned!
Hoody Hoo! We're #1! We're #1!
There has to be a market out there for bumper stickers saying "Jesus
was a Liberal"...
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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06 Dec 2003 03:33:15 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:28:43 -0500, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On 5 Nov 2003 21:09:39 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message news:<pv1fqvgr3cj8c3m7gfg1gsiqmvlap6q9p7@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:03:20 -0600, Erica
<scribe53151NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
Imagine how *I* feel. I'm the wrong brand of Christian to some of these
folks -- ie, a LIBERAL (GASP)!! I'm apparently doing Satan's bidding
too, according to some of the nuttier ones.
Liberals will be first to be Damned!
Hoody Hoo! We're #1! We're #1!
There has to be a market out there for bumper stickers saying "Jesus
was a Liberal"...
He still is a liberal:
on buttons and stickers:
http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?
Type "liberal" in the search box, on the top left.
and on shirts:
http://www.pullnopunches.com/religion.html
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Nov 2003 02:06:54 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 02:28:43 -0500, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com>, Message ID:
<cbimqv0gvg9qsc8eunubhq2kp76rk6qj2k@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 5 Nov 2003 21:09:39 -0800, (Erica) wrote:
Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message news:<pv1fqvgr3cj8c3m7gfg1gsiqmvlap6q9p7@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 03:03:20 -0600, Erica
<scribe53151NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
Imagine how *I* feel. I'm the wrong brand of Christian to some of these
folks -- ie, a LIBERAL (GASP)!! I'm apparently doing Satan's bidding
too, according to some of the nuttier ones.
Liberals will be first to be Damned!
Hoody Hoo! We're #1! We're #1!
There has to be a market out there for bumper stickers saying "Jesus
was a Liberal"...
and unmedicated despot.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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02 Nov 2003 10:13:04 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
I just tell 'em:
If they realize that we don't worship *their* superhero, what the hell
makes them think we worship *their* supervillain?
It's their fantasy. It's up them to prove that we are part of it.
But no, I guess they are too stupid for that.
Frankly, if they're that ignorant I wouldn't bother with them and
their specious little arguments. Don't fall into their trap. Remind
them that more evil has been done in the name of a god or gods than
has ever been done in the name of atheism, wish them a happy ignorance
in their god fog and go on with your life. I mean it.
I'm sure that others will come along and offer you more helpful
advice, but I am fed up with the ignorance that is "theism". I get so
angry when I start typing because fellow humans, born with great
potential, have chosen to completely abandon the thought process, and
cede all responsibility for their actions to imaginary beings.
Astounding.
zamboni
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| Title: Re: How can we prove we don't worship Satan? |
03 Nov 2003 02:47:07 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:54:02 -0500, Indefual
<indefual-@-snowbank-.-ca> wrote:
Alt.atheism,
While reading some anti-atheist literature, I come across text saying that
atheists worship Satan. Every now and then I try to form a counter
argument, but I never find one that I think can hold water.
The best argument I can seem to come up with is as follows:
Atheists don't worship any supreme being, whether that being
is a god or a fallen angel. Satan was one of the Christian
god's angels who turned against the Christian god, and tries to
steal worshipers away from that god.
To believe in Satan would require a belief in the Christian
god, who atheists don't believe in. An atheist, therefore,
cannot worship Satan. And even if one were to propose the
argument that atheists worship Satan unwittingly, you have to
keep in mind the fact that atheists would be alarmed at any
super-natural being speaking to us in our heads, and would probably
think that they were going crazy.
The part where the argument truly falls apart is the second half. If I
argue that I don't believe in Satan, then the counter argument would be
that I do not have to believe in Satan and that I do his bidding
unwittingly. (You know me and my atheist ways: communism, murder, rape,
bestiality, abortion, eating babies, and so forth.)
Is there any good argument that I can use?
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy
Just tell 'em that we ARE Satan's servants!
And fix them with a scary stare.
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