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Religions > Atheism |
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"dapra" |
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11 Jul 2007 01:46:46 PM |
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How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
11 Jul 2007 06:24:33 PM |
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"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rbydnYtENNs9uAjbnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to reflect
on.
What does it mean to win the war?
There is no 'win the war'. We are way past that.
There is only getting our men and women out
of there and saving their lives. The Iraqis haven't
done even one thing they were supposed to and
are in the middle of a religious civil war. We should
get out of their way and let them kill each other, if
that is what they really want. The civil war would
have happened eventually. Our government just
sped it up.
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases to
wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their oil
fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have no
morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the people!
We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay for the
neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
.
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| User: "Jack Granade" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
11 Jul 2007 06:38:49 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rbydnYtENNs9uAjbnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
There is no 'win the war'. We are way past that.
There is only getting our men and women out
of there and saving their lives. The Iraqis haven't
done even one thing they were supposed to and
are in the middle of a religious civil war. We should
get out of their way and let them kill each other, if
that is what they really want. The civil war would
have happened eventually. Our government just
sped it up.
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their oil
fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay for
the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
The last time a congress controlled by democrats dumped a country,
millions were murdered in the area. That counrty was called Cambodia.
Jacvk g.
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| User: "Gregg Luze" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
12 Jul 2007 12:40:22 AM |
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"Jack Granade" <jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote in message
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mM-dnRUKPso4-wjbnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com...
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rbydnYtENNs9uAjbnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
There is no 'win the war'. We are way past that.
There is only getting our men and women out
of there and saving their lives. The Iraqis haven't
done even one thing they were supposed to and
are in the middle of a religious civil war. We should
get out of their way and let them kill each other, if
that is what they really want. The civil war would
have happened eventually. Our government just
sped it up.
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there
too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
The last time a congress controlled by democrats dumped a country,
millions were murdered in the area. That counrty was called Cambodia.
Jacvk g.
For this president though isn't a more important question - What is the
point at which you are no longer willing to spend more money or American or
Iraqi lives? I mean, how many billions or trillions before he would say
that we have spent too much or are we, using poker terms, all in? How many
US or Iraqi lives is the president willing to spend before he would say that
too many have died? 10,000 more? 100,000 more? 1,000,000 more?
100,000,000 more? What are president Bush's limits?
G
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
11 Jul 2007 11:05:31 PM |
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Jack Granade wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mM-dnRUKPso4-wjbnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com...
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rbydnYtENNs9uAjbnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
There is no 'win the war'. We are way past that.
There is only getting our men and women out
of there and saving their lives. The Iraqis haven't
done even one thing they were supposed to and
are in the middle of a religious civil war. We should
get out of their way and let them kill each other, if
that is what they really want. The civil war would
have happened eventually. Our government just
sped it up.
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their oil
fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay for
the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
The last time a congress controlled by democrats dumped a country,
millions were murdered in the area. That counrty was called Cambodia.
Jacvk g.
Making proxy wars, fear mongering is bipartisan since W.W.II. The
military industrial complex must be fed.
What did destabilize Cambodia before the Khmer Rouge take over? French
imperialism maybe? Or the Americans, champions of freedom and democracy,
the ones managed to kill a few millions of Vietnamese and a few
Cambodians in their unrelenting fight for freedom?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
12 Jul 2007 12:48:46 AM |
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"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:a5GdnX5ndccFNQjbnZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jack Granade wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mM-dnRUKPso4-wjbnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com...
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rbydnYtENNs9uAjbnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
There is no 'win the war'. We are way past that.
There is only getting our men and women out
of there and saving their lives. The Iraqis haven't
done even one thing they were supposed to and
are in the middle of a religious civil war. We should
get out of their way and let them kill each other, if
that is what they really want. The civil war would
have happened eventually. Our government just
sped it up.
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there
too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
The last time a congress controlled by democrats dumped a country,
millions were murdered in the area. That counrty was called Cambodia.
Jacvk g.
Making proxy wars, fear mongering is bipartisan since W.W.II. The military
industrial complex must be fed.
What did destabilize Cambodia before the Khmer Rouge take over? French
imperialism maybe? Or the Americans, champions of freedom and democracy,
the ones managed to kill a few millions of Vietnamese and a few Cambodians
in their unrelenting fight for freedom?
American Imperialism has existed since the Spanish-
American War. We told the Cubans and the Filipinos
that we would help them kick out Spain and then they
could set up their own governments. We lied. The only
difference between then and now is that we're sneakier
and lie even more.
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
13 Jul 2007 09:20:09 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
Making proxy wars, fear mongering is bipartisan since W.W.II. The military
industrial complex must be fed.
What did destabilize Cambodia before the Khmer Rouge take over? French
imperialism maybe? Or the Americans, champions of freedom and democracy,
the ones managed to kill a few millions of Vietnamese and a few Cambodians
in their unrelenting fight for freedom?
American Imperialism has existed since the Spanish-
American War. We told the Cubans and the Filipinos
that we would help them kick out Spain and then they
could set up their own governments. We lied. The only
difference between then and now is that we're sneakier
and lie even more.
You are right. Though, one could trace it back to the Pilgrims, even
that imperialism is not identical to expansionism.
Yes, "we're sneakier and lie even more", but our preeminent position,
especially after the collapse of the USSR, has given our ruling class
unprecedented opportunity to subjugate the rest of the world, including
the large majority of US population.
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| User: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
13 Jul 2007 10:09:11 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:20:09 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
Making proxy wars, fear mongering is bipartisan since W.W.II. The military
industrial complex must be fed.
What did destabilize Cambodia before the Khmer Rouge take over? French
imperialism maybe? Or the Americans, champions of freedom and democracy,
the ones managed to kill a few millions of Vietnamese and a few Cambodians
in their unrelenting fight for freedom?
American Imperialism has existed since the Spanish-
American War. We told the Cubans and the Filipinos
that we would help them kick out Spain and then they
could set up their own governments. We lied. The only
difference between then and now is that we're sneakier
and lie even more.
You are right. Though, one could trace it back to the Pilgrims, even
that imperialism is not identical to expansionism.
Yes, "we're sneakier and lie even more", but our preeminent position,
especially after the collapse of the USSR, has given our ruling class
unprecedented opportunity to subjugate the rest of the world, including
the large majority of US population.
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
13 Jul 2007 11:05:01 AM |
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The Wolf With the Red Roses wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:20:09 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
Making proxy wars, fear mongering is bipartisan since W.W.II. The military
industrial complex must be fed.
What did destabilize Cambodia before the Khmer Rouge take over? French
imperialism maybe? Or the Americans, champions of freedom and democracy,
the ones managed to kill a few millions of Vietnamese and a few Cambodians
in their unrelenting fight for freedom?
American Imperialism has existed since the Spanish-
American War. We told the Cubans and the Filipinos
that we would help them kick out Spain and then they
could set up their own governments. We lied. The only
difference between then and now is that we're sneakier
and lie even more.
You are right. Though, one could trace it back to the Pilgrims, even
that imperialism is not identical to expansionism.
Yes, "we're sneakier and lie even more", but our preeminent position,
especially after the collapse of the USSR, has given our ruling class
unprecedented opportunity to subjugate the rest of the world, including
the large majority of US population.
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
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| User: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
13 Jul 2007 11:09:43 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:01 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
Really you like Democracy? Gee funny that since you also have a
problem with wealth. Democracy as practiced in a Capitalist economy
is all about the creation & retention of wealth. Just because you
don't have any why go crying about it in public?
BTW -- As you attempt to mock my education; I must ask; where did you
get yours, off the back of cereal box?
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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| User: "Gregg Luze" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
14 Jul 2007 02:27:36 AM |
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How does one win this war. No really, think about it. Who, or what, gets
killed, captured, or destroyed for the US to "win" this war. We took
Afghanistan, a resurgent Taliban is taking back parts of it after we were
told that the US had decimated the Taliban. We took Iraq and it has become
like those wrestling cage matches with several different parties and the US
military is the preferred target. We were told that Al-Quaeda had been
severely disrupted, that we had decimated Al-Quaeda, that they were in their
"last throes" as vp Cheney said. Now we hear that Al-Quaeda is back to the
strength that they had pre-invasion.
It started as Afghanistan, then Iraq, now it seems that the administration
wants to add Iran, Pakistan, and Syria. What does one do to win this war?
How do we win this war?
G
"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-dark-arms@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6sig93tfhcb1kti9gfm5ro2us7523bgk7l@4ax.com...
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:01 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
Really you like Democracy? Gee funny that since you also have a
problem with wealth. Democracy as practiced in a Capitalist economy
is all about the creation & retention of wealth. Just because you
don't have any why go crying about it in public?
BTW -- As you attempt to mock my education; I must ask; where did you
get yours, off the back of cereal box?
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a turd by the clean end."
.
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| User: "Hertz Dount" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
14 Jul 2007 03:10:37 AM |
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It is because politicians want to run the war that we cannot accomplish the
mission. If the poilticians would butt out and let the commanders do their
job, you'd be surprised how much can be accomplished. Instead, we have a
bunch of fat, balding, drunken idiots that think they know what is the right
thing to do in Iraq. I say we put them all in a transport and send them
there. If they want to run the show, they'll have to do it from Iraq, and
from outside the green zone.
Withing 30 minutes they'll be crying for their mommies and begging to come
home.
Honu
"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@strutz.com> wrote in message
news:IV_li.7336$tj6.4836@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
How does one win this war. No really, think about it. Who, or what, gets
killed, captured, or destroyed for the US to "win" this war. We took
Afghanistan, a resurgent Taliban is taking back parts of it after we were
told that the US had decimated the Taliban. We took Iraq and it has
become like those wrestling cage matches with several different parties
and the US military is the preferred target. We were told that Al-Quaeda
had been severely disrupted, that we had decimated Al-Quaeda, that they
were in their "last throes" as vp Cheney said. Now we hear that Al-Quaeda
is back to the strength that they had pre-invasion.
It started as Afghanistan, then Iraq, now it seems that the administration
wants to add Iran, Pakistan, and Syria. What does one do to win this war?
How do we win this war?
G
"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-dark-arms@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6sig93tfhcb1kti9gfm5ro2us7523bgk7l@4ax.com...
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:01 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
Really you like Democracy? Gee funny that since you also have a
problem with wealth. Democracy as practiced in a Capitalist economy
is all about the creation & retention of wealth. Just because you
don't have any why go crying about it in public?
BTW -- As you attempt to mock my education; I must ask; where did you
get yours, off the back of cereal box?
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a turd by the clean end."
.
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| User: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
14 Jul 2007 09:04:50 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:10:37 -1000, "Hertz Dount"
<somewhere@outhere.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
It is because politicians want to run the war that we cannot accomplish the
mission. If the poilticians would butt out and let the commanders do their
job, you'd be surprised how much can be accomplished. Instead, we have a
bunch of fat, balding, drunken idiots that think they know what is the right
thing to do in Iraq. I say we put them all in a transport and send them
there. If they want to run the show, they'll have to do it from Iraq, and
from outside the green zone.
I've pretty much always been of the mindset that if you are going to
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of War", then by all means don't
attempt to put the dogs back on the leash or cage them to early. War
by its very definition is the extension of fail diplomacy & politics.
Why on earth does one allow those who've already failed to continue to
***** up the situation?
Withing 30 minutes they'll be crying for their mommies and begging to come
home.
Even better, simply let those who want the wars to enter the ring in
mortal combat. To the victor goes the spoils.
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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| User: "Gregg Luze" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
14 Jul 2007 10:00:11 AM |
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You make several interesting points but they don't answer the core questions
I was posing. Let's say that we do what you suggest. How do we know when
we have won this war? What is the measure? In the Gulf War 1, the military
leaders of the Iraq military sat at a table with US military leaders and
signed a declaration that the war was over. After Hitler took his own life
the leader of Germany agreed to an unconditional surrender. In war after
war there has been some tangible way to determine that the ware had been won
and was now over.
How does the US win this war?
G
"Hertz Dount" <somewhere@outhere.com> wrote in message
news:jcGdnSmQ75mUGAXbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net...
It is because politicians want to run the war that we cannot accomplish
the mission. If the poilticians would butt out and let the commanders do
their job, you'd be surprised how much can be accomplished. Instead, we
have a bunch of fat, balding, drunken idiots that think they know what is
the right thing to do in Iraq. I say we put them all in a transport and
send them there. If they want to run the show, they'll have to do it from
Iraq, and from outside the green zone.
Withing 30 minutes they'll be crying for their mommies and begging to come
home.
Honu
"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@strutz.com> wrote in message
news:IV_li.7336$tj6.4836@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
How does one win this war. No really, think about it. Who, or what,
gets killed, captured, or destroyed for the US to "win" this war. We
took Afghanistan, a resurgent Taliban is taking back parts of it after we
were told that the US had decimated the Taliban. We took Iraq and it has
become like those wrestling cage matches with several different parties
and the US military is the preferred target. We were told that Al-Quaeda
had been severely disrupted, that we had decimated Al-Quaeda, that they
were in their "last throes" as vp Cheney said. Now we hear that
Al-Quaeda is back to the strength that they had pre-invasion.
It started as Afghanistan, then Iraq, now it seems that the
administration wants to add Iran, Pakistan, and Syria. What does one do
to win this war? How do we win this war?
G
"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-dark-arms@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6sig93tfhcb1kti9gfm5ro2us7523bgk7l@4ax.com...
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:01 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
Really you like Democracy? Gee funny that since you also have a
problem with wealth. Democracy as practiced in a Capitalist economy
is all about the creation & retention of wealth. Just because you
don't have any why go crying about it in public?
BTW -- As you attempt to mock my education; I must ask; where did you
get yours, off the back of cereal box?
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick
up a turd by the clean end."
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14 Jul 2007 09:01:21 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:27:36 GMT, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@strutz.com>
wrote something wonderfully witty:
How does one win this war. No really, think about it. Who, or what, gets
killed, captured, or destroyed for the US to "win" this war. We took
Afghanistan, a resurgent Taliban is taking back parts of it after we were
told that the US had decimated the Taliban. We took Iraq and it has become
like those wrestling cage matches with several different parties and the US
military is the preferred target. We were told that Al-Quaeda had been
severely disrupted, that we had decimated Al-Quaeda, that they were in their
"last throes" as vp Cheney said. Now we hear that Al-Quaeda is back to the
strength that they had pre-invasion.
Well I guess it all depends on which war you are talking about, the
one on the ground in Iraq, the one on the ground in Afghanistan, or
the larger theme one, the infamous "War on Terrorism" which needs to
be happening in hearts & minds.
It started as Afghanistan, then Iraq, now it seems that the administration
wants to add Iran, Pakistan, and Syria. What does one do to win this war?
How do we win this war?
Well based on this response I'm going to have to assume you are
talking about taking to where they live. If that is the case then I
think we need to follow the recent example in Pakistan where they
raided the center of the hate mongering & killed the hate mongerers.
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
14 Jul 2007 11:55:44 PM |
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In article <jelh93ttoo41ob2ru6a1q29sc5ni9bthbh@4ax.com>,
The Wolf With the Red Roses <after-dark-arms@cox.net> wrote:
Well I guess it all depends on which war you are talking about, the
one on the ground in Iraq, the one on the ground in Afghanistan, or
the larger theme one, the infamous "War on Terrorism" which needs to
be happening in hearts & minds.
It started as Afghanistan, then Iraq, now it seems that the administration
wants to add Iran, Pakistan, and Syria. What does one do to win this war?
How do we win this war?
Well based on this response I'm going to have to assume you are
talking about taking to where they live.
No, that's not how you do it. The struggle against Islamist extremism
has to be won by GETTING THE PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE. We can't do that
by attacking them with our military. When I attack somebody in your
neighborhood, unless you already considered that person your enemy, you
see ME as your enemy. That's how we got so many enemies in Iraq.
If that is the case then I
think we need to follow the recent example in Pakistan where they
raided the center of the hate mongering & killed the hate mongerers.
That was not the purpose of the raid. Musharraf had foolishly allowed
those people to defy him and continue their criminal activities for
months, and he finally realized that they were making him look feckless
and were winning the popular support. He had to make an example of
them to save face. Months ago, he could have moved against them,
arrested them one by one, and prevented the standoff. It would have
been much wiser to do so.
As for shooting up the mosque, I see no reason for it even now. That
inflames the supporters of the other side, which is not what you want
to do. Instead, you want to impress on them that you are in control.
The smarter way to deal with holed-up enemies is to cordon off the area,
cut off the flow of food and water, and wait them out. Nobody seems to
know how to conduct a siege anymore.
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| User: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" |
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15 Jul 2007 02:19:41 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:55:44 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote something wonderfully witty:
In article <jelh93ttoo41ob2ru6a1q29sc5ni9bthbh@4ax.com>,
The Wolf With the Red Roses <after-dark-arms@cox.net> wrote:
Well I guess it all depends on which war you are talking about, the
one on the ground in Iraq, the one on the ground in Afghanistan, or
the larger theme one, the infamous "War on Terrorism" which needs to
be happening in hearts & minds.
It started as Afghanistan, then Iraq, now it seems that the administration
wants to add Iran, Pakistan, and Syria. What does one do to win this war?
How do we win this war?
Well based on this response I'm going to have to assume you are
talking about taking to where they live.
No, that's not how you do it. The struggle against Islamist extremism
has to be won by GETTING THE PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE. We can't do that
by attacking them with our military. When I attack somebody in your
neighborhood, unless you already considered that person your enemy, you
see ME as your enemy. That's how we got so many enemies in Iraq.
I didn't say attack them, I said take to where they live. Hearts &
minds and all that Jazz. Introduce to Pickled Pigs Feed & Cold beer.
If that is the case then I
think we need to follow the recent example in Pakistan where they
raided the center of the hate mongering & killed the hate mongerers.
That was not the purpose of the raid. Musharraf had foolishly allowed
those people to defy him and continue their criminal activities for
months, and he finally realized that they were making him look feckless
and were winning the popular support. He had to make an example of
them to save face. Months ago, he could have moved against them,
arrested them one by one, and prevented the standoff. It would have
been much wiser to do so.
Nah, killing em their sleep is a better idea. I like the fact that
one of em tried to get out of dodge in a dress. Mullah, in a red
dress, red dress, yeah -- got the Mullah with the red dress on.
As for shooting up the mosque, I see no reason for it even now. That
inflames the supporters of the other side, which is not what you want
to do. Instead, you want to impress on them that you are in control.
The smarter way to deal with holed-up enemies is to cordon off the area,
cut off the flow of food and water, and wait them out. Nobody seems to
know how to conduct a siege anymore.
Inflame them, then draw them like moths to the flame & fry their sorry
asses and serve em up with a little butter. Siege my *****, use the
Janet Reno play book & burn em to the ground. Go Janet, go Janet, go
Janet ho.
Ya gotta to let them know there is now way out alive, and it isn't 72
Virgins, but 72 Virginians with Smithfield Hams they'll met in the
afterlife.
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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| User: "Gregg Luze" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
14 Jul 2007 10:06:13 AM |
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Yes, I am talking about the bigger one. What the president once called the
global war on Islamo-fascists. How do we know when we have won? What do we
have to capture or destroy? Who do we have to kill? What has to happen?
Is it over if we kill Bin Laden? Do we win if we invade Saudi Arabia and
take control of Mecca? Do we win if we nuke the middle east and kill all
human life in the region? Do we have to kill every Muslim in the world?
How do we win this war?
G
"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-dark-arms@cox.net> wrote in message
news:jelh93ttoo41ob2ru6a1q29sc5ni9bthbh@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:27:36 GMT, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@strutz.com>
wrote something wonderfully witty:
How does one win this war. No really, think about it. Who, or what, gets
killed, captured, or destroyed for the US to "win" this war. We took
Afghanistan, a resurgent Taliban is taking back parts of it after we were
told that the US had decimated the Taliban. We took Iraq and it has
become
like those wrestling cage matches with several different parties and the
US
military is the preferred target. We were told that Al-Quaeda had been
severely disrupted, that we had decimated Al-Quaeda, that they were in
their
"last throes" as vp Cheney said. Now we hear that Al-Quaeda is back to
the
strength that they had pre-invasion.
Well I guess it all depends on which war you are talking about, the
one on the ground in Iraq, the one on the ground in Afghanistan, or
the larger theme one, the infamous "War on Terrorism" which needs to
be happening in hearts & minds.
It started as Afghanistan, then Iraq, now it seems that the administration
wants to add Iran, Pakistan, and Syria. What does one do to win this war?
How do we win this war?
Well based on this response I'm going to have to assume you are
talking about taking to where they live. If that is the case then I
think we need to follow the recent example in Pakistan where they
raided the center of the hate mongering & killed the hate mongerers.
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a turd by the clean end."
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
14 Jul 2007 12:30:43 PM |
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The Wolf With the Red Roses wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:01 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
Really you like Democracy? Gee funny that since you also have a
problem with wealth. Democracy as practiced in a Capitalist economy
is all about the creation & retention of wealth. Just because you
don't have any why go crying about it in public?
I did not cry about my wealth, and since I'm not about to send you any
documentation of it, your guessing is pointless. Though, your thinking
is revealing. You must have moved into your slightly used secondhand
trailer, and as a proud owner of it, you fill obliged to defend, what
you consider, your 'own kind' like Paris Hilton.
Democracy is a political system, Capitalism is an economic one. Each can
exist without the other. Each can destroy the other.
BTW -- As you attempt to mock my education; I must ask; where did you
get yours, off the back of cereal box?
It was just an answer to your guessing of my wealth. I had more reasons
to guess your education, reading your posts. You had no reasons. Unless
you think, the rich supposed to exploit the poor. If one don't agree
with your idea, he must be hypocrite (Edwards gets these accusations all
the time), a traitor to his class, or poor.
Well, open your horizon! It could be an enlightened one regardless of
wealth.
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| User: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" |
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14 Jul 2007 01:19:32 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:30:43 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
The Wolf With the Red Roses wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:01 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
Really you like Democracy? Gee funny that since you also have a
problem with wealth. Democracy as practiced in a Capitalist economy
is all about the creation & retention of wealth. Just because you
don't have any why go crying about it in public?
I did not cry about my wealth, and since I'm not about to send you any
documentation of it, your guessing is pointless. Though, your thinking
is revealing. You must have moved into your slightly used secondhand
trailer, and as a proud owner of it, you fill obliged to defend, what
you consider, your 'own kind' like Paris Hilton.
No you pitched a ***** about tremendous income & wealth differences.
Only those who lust after what others have usually do so.
Democracy is a political system, Capitalism is an economic one. Each can
exist without the other. Each can destroy the other.
While I suppose one can exist with out the other, I'm hard pressed to
come up with a pertaining example, perhaps you have one. Democracy is
doomed to failure once the masses realize they can vote themselves
massive benefits from the public treasury.
BTW -- As you attempt to mock my education; I must ask; where did you
get yours, off the back of cereal box?
It was just an answer to your guessing of my wealth. I had more reasons
to guess your education, reading your posts. You had no reasons. Unless
you think, the rich supposed to exploit the poor. If one don't agree
with your idea, he must be hypocrite (Edwards gets these accusations all
the time), a traitor to his class, or poor.
I didn't hazard a guess one way or the other. I asked you a question.
That is what the "?" symbol at the end of sentence means.
Perhaps the rich are supposed to exploit the poor, wouldn't that be
part of the natural order of the bigger, faster, smarter animals using
the slower ones as part of the food chain? If the poor aren't there
for exploitation, of what other use are they then to provide the
motivation to not be one of them?
If all people are in fact created equal, why do some succeed beyond
their wildest imaginations (Bill Gates, Sam Walton), while others are
doomed to abysmal failure (GWB)?
Well, open your horizon! It could be an enlightened one regardless of
wealth.
Here is an eye opening horizon. Expand your belief system via
education & reading form all sources, throw ideas & numbers into a
giant spreadsheet or copy of SPSS and draw your own conclusions as
opposed to echoing those around you.
Currently the top one fifth of the income producers in the US, also
produce 1/3 of its overall labor and contain it's best & brightest
most highly educated workers. Usually containing two college educated
earners producing >$84,000 annually. They also contribute greater
then 80% of the Federal Revenue generated via taxes, while the lowest
fifth of the population only contribute 1% to the tax base and
virtually none of the labor. Tis a ***** ain't it?
--
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
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14 Jul 2007 03:06:08 PM |
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The Wolf With the Red Roses wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:30:43 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
The Wolf With the Red Roses wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:01 -0400, dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote
something wonderfully witty:
<snip>
And exactly what is your problem with that? The fact that you aren't
part of the ruling class? It is a good thing, you'd probably ***** it
up!
I happen to like democracy. Tremendous income, wealth differences are
destroying it. So do tremendous educational differences. You are a prime
example on the low end.
Really you like Democracy? Gee funny that since you also have a
problem with wealth. Democracy as practiced in a Capitalist economy
is all about the creation & retention of wealth. Just because you
don't have any why go crying about it in public?
I did not cry about my wealth, and since I'm not about to send you any
documentation of it, your guessing is pointless. Though, your thinking
is revealing. You must have moved into your slightly used secondhand
trailer, and as a proud owner of it, you fill obliged to defend, what
you consider, your 'own kind' like Paris Hilton.
No you pitched a ***** about tremendous income & wealth differences.
Only those who lust after what others have usually do so.
And the ones who are able to read statistics pertaining to CEO's
compensations. And the ones who think, that taxing a teacher at a higher
rate then the coupon clipper parasites living on daddies money or hedge
fund managers, is not fair. And it has no social value, but to enrich
the richest.
Democracy is a political system, Capitalism is an economic one. Each can
exist without the other. Each can destroy the other.
While I suppose one can exist with out the other, I'm hard pressed to
come up with a pertaining example, perhaps you have one. Democracy is
doomed to failure once the masses realize they can vote themselves
massive benefits from the public treasury.
Capitalism is flourishing in China.
The messes? The ruling class have two choices; educate, uplift them, or
keep them stupid and exploit them. They have chosen the second option.
BTW -- As you attempt to mock my education; I must ask; where did you
get yours, off the back of cereal box?
It was just an answer to your guessing of my wealth. I had more reasons
to guess your education, reading your posts. You had no reasons. Unless
you think, the rich supposed to exploit the poor. If one don't agree
with your idea, he must be hypocrite (Edwards gets these accusations all
the time), a traitor to his class, or poor.
I didn't hazard a guess one way or the other. I asked you a question.
That is what the "?" symbol at the end of sentence means.
Perhaps the rich are supposed to exploit the poor, wouldn't that be
part of the natural order of the bigger, faster, smarter animals using
the slower ones as part of the food chain? If the poor aren't there
for exploitation, of what other use are they then to provide the
motivation to not be one of them?
Your Social Darwinism ideas, though it relates to the subject, is too
complex to discuss it here, especially if you throw in eugenics.
If all people are in fact created equal, why do some succeed beyond
their wildest imaginations (Bill Gates, Sam Walton), while others are
doomed to abysmal failure (GWB)?
All people are not created equal. Some are pretty, some are smart, some
are strong. People are created equal only under the law. But the pretty,
the smart, the strong writes the law.
Well, open your horizon! It could be an enlightened one regardless of
wealth.
Here is an eye opening horizon. Expand your belief system via
education & reading form all sources, throw ideas & numbers into a
giant spreadsheet or copy of SPSS and draw your own conclusions as
opposed to echoing those around you.
Good advice, but I always have been an independent thinker.
Currently the top one fifth of the income producers in the US, also
produce 1/3 of its overall labor and contain it's best & brightest
most highly educated workers. Usually containing two college educated
earners producing >$84,000 annually. They also contribute greater
then 80% of the Federal Revenue generated via taxes, while the lowest
fifth of the population only contribute 1% to the tax base and
virtually none of the labor. Tis a ***** ain't it?
How much taxes slaves contributed to a state in history? NONE. I hope
you are able to draw your own conclusion why, and get a better
understanding of your statistics.
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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14 Jul 2007 11:41:26 PM |
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In article <RO2dnV73m6wrsQTbnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote:
And the ones who are able to read statistics pertaining to CEO's
compensations. And the ones who think, that taxing a teacher at a higher
rate then the coupon clipper parasites living on daddies money or hedge
fund managers, is not fair. And it has no social value, but to enrich
the richest.
To conservatives, to enrich the riches defines social value.
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16 Jul 2007 07:40:56 PM |
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Hugh Gibbons wrote:
In article <RO2dnV73m6wrsQTbnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote:
And the ones who are able to read statistics pertaining to CEO's
compensations. And the ones who think, that taxing a teacher at a higher
rate then the coupon clipper parasites living on daddies money or hedge
fund managers, is not fair. And it has no social value, but to enrich
the richest.
To conservatives, to enrich the riches defines social value.
Yes, it does. It originates from their desire for instant gratification,
no concerns for the future, for their children and especially not for
their great great grand children. Despicable bunch of greedy people on
their way to destroy the nation.
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| User: "Soldier in a Combat Zone" |
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14 Jul 2007 01:34:40 PM |
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On Jul 11, 10:46 pm, dapra <dap...@comcast.net> wrote:
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
As for oil, the Chinese seem to be doing a better job of controlling
world oil. Look at how they are the ones who are drilling in the area
around Florida. Forget oil, it does not matter.
As for winning, until we deprogram those who are Radical Muslims (as
the Saudis are doing) we will not win. Radical Islam (Qutbism) is a
religious cult. They follow the teachings of Seyyid Qutb over the
teachings of the Qur'an. These teachings include the killing of
fellow muslims and human sacrifice (beheading) where someone is tied
up like a goat then has their throat cut. The blood is then offered
up to Allah. Remember the US deprogrammed religious cultists back in
the '70s. Ted Patick was a leading deprogrammer back then.
They have no respect for humanity, for women or children. They
practice human sacrifice, cutting the throats of their victims like a
goat then offering the blood up to Allah. They use children as
suicide bombers (in Afghanistan as young as 6).
Most Muslims are sheep who are unwilling to stand up to the
Qutbists....
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A True Believer is training to kill you. Training with minimal food
or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only
thing clean on him is his weapon and made be his web gear. He
doesn't worry about what workout to do- his ruck weighs what it
weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True
Believer is not concerned about 'hard', he knows either he wins or
dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The
Cause. Still want to quit?
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14 Jul 2007 03:25:41 PM |
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Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
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On Jul 11, 10:46 pm, dapra <dap...@comcast.net> wrote:
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
As for oil, the Chinese seem to be doing a better job of controlling
world oil. Look at how they are the ones who are drilling in the area
around Florida. Forget oil, it does not matter.
As for winning, until we deprogram those who are Radical Muslims (as
the Saudis are doing) we will not win. Radical Islam (Qutbism) is a
religious cult. They follow the teachings of Seyyid Qutb over the
teachings of the Qur'an. These teachings include the killing of
fellow muslims and human sacrifice (beheading) where someone is tied
up like a goat then has their throat cut. The blood is then offered
up to Allah. Remember the US deprogrammed religious cultists back in
the '70s. Ted Patick was a leading deprogrammer back then.
They have no respect for humanity, for women or children. They
practice human sacrifice, cutting the throats of their victims like a
goat then offering the blood up to Allah. They use children as
suicide bombers (in Afghanistan as young as 6).
Most Muslims are sheep who are unwilling to stand up to the
Qutbists....
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A True Believer is training to kill you. Training with minimal food
or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only
thing clean on him is his weapon and made be his web gear. He
doesn't worry about what workout to do- his ruck weighs what it
weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True
Believer is not concerned about 'hard', he knows either he wins or
dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The
Cause. Still want to quit?
One basic fact for your consideration. US troops are occupying Baghdad,
not Iraqi troops are occupying Washington. The aggressor always find
justification for more aggression.
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16 Jul 2007 08:30:02 AM |
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On Jul 15, 12:25 am, dapra <dap...@comcast.net> wrote:
Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
As for oil, the Chinese seem to be doing a better job of controlling
world oil. Look at how they are the ones who are drilling in the area
around Florida. Forget oil, it does not matter.
As for winning, until we deprogram those who are Radical Muslims (as
the Saudis are doing) we will not win. Radical Islam (Qutbism) is a
religious cult. They follow the teachings of Seyyid Qutb over the
teachings of the Qur'an. These teachings include the killing of
fellow muslims and human sacrifice (beheading) where someone is tied
up like a goat then has their throat cut. The blood is then offered
up to Allah. Remember the US deprogrammed religious cultists back in
the '70s. Ted Patick was a leading deprogrammer back then.
They have no respect for humanity, for women or children. They
practice human sacrifice, cutting the throats of their victims like a
goat then offering the blood up to Allah. They use children as
suicide bombers (in Afghanistan as young as 6).
Most Muslims are sheep who are unwilling to stand up to the
Qutbists....
-------------------------
A True Believer is training to kill you. Training with minimal food
or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only
thing clean on him is his weapon and made be his web gear. He
doesn't worry about what workout to do- his ruck weighs what it
weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True
Believer is not concerned about 'hard', he knows either he wins or
dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The
Cause. Still want to quit?
One basic fact for your consideration. US troops are occupying Baghdad,
not Iraqi troops are occupying Washington. The aggressor always find
justification for more aggression.- Hide quoted text -
Always love it when you left wingers buy into the enemy talking
points.
When we come under attack again it will not be by those outside the
US. Radical Muslims (Qutbists) are busy recruiting our own kids into
their camp. That way they avoid the term invader. That is what they
are doing in Somalia now. And in Thailand. And in 124 countries
worldwide. We have too many fatherless boys who are prime recruits.
Idiots like you will not wake up until we see million to 5 million
dead on our own soil. But more likely you will just convert to Islam
to save your ***** anyway....
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
16 Jul 2007 09:56:21 AM |
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Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
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On Jul 15, 12:25 am, dapra <dap...@comcast.net> wrote:
Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to rule
the unwashed ones.
As for oil, the Chinese seem to be doing a better job of controlling
world oil. Look at how they are the ones who are drilling in the area
around Florida. Forget oil, it does not matter.
As for winning, until we deprogram those who are Radical Muslims (as
the Saudis are doing) we will not win. Radical Islam (Qutbism) is a
religious cult. They follow the teachings of Seyyid Qutb over the
teachings of the Qur'an. These teachings include the killing of
fellow muslims and human sacrifice (beheading) where someone is tied
up like a goat then has their throat cut. The blood is then offered
up to Allah. Remember the US deprogrammed religious cultists back in
the '70s. Ted Patick was a leading deprogrammer back then.
They have no respect for humanity, for women or children. They
practice human sacrifice, cutting the throats of their victims like a
goat then offering the blood up to Allah. They use children as
suicide bombers (in Afghanistan as young as 6).
Most Muslims are sheep who are unwilling to stand up to the
Qutbists....
-------------------------
A True Believer is training to kill you. Training with minimal food
or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only
thing clean on him is his weapon and made be his web gear. He
doesn't worry about what workout to do- his ruck weighs what it
weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True
Believer is not concerned about 'hard', he knows either he wins or
dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The
Cause. Still want to quit?
One basic fact for your consideration. US troops are occupying Baghdad,
not Iraqi troops are occupying Washington. The aggressor always find
justification for more aggression.- Hide quoted text -
Always love it when you left wingers buy into the enemy talking
points.
That's a talking point of the 'enemy'? Even a right winger with limited
mental capacity can see that "US troops are occupying Baghdad, not Iraqi
troops are occupying Washington". You must be at the bottom decile of
the right wingers. That puts you in the bottom 2% of the US population,
and qualify you to have the distinguished title of an imbecile.
When we come under attack again it will not be by those outside the
US. Radical Muslims (Qutbists) are busy recruiting our own kids into
their camp. That way they avoid the term invader. That is what they
are doing in Somalia now. And in Thailand. And in 124 countries
worldwide. We have too many fatherless boys who are prime recruits.
That may come true, if Bush attacks Iran. And he will find reasons to
attack Venezuela. And he may try to go for the yellow gold too after he
got the black one, and attacks Switzerland.
More heist, more 'terrorists' in the Middle East, in South America, in
Europe, bankrupting the US government. Mission accomplished!
Idiots like you will not wake up until we see million to 5 million
dead on our own soil. But more likely you will just convert to Islam
to save your ***** anyway....
Idiots like you will not wake up until Bush starts WW III.
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| User: "Hertz Dount" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
16 Jul 2007 10:01:58 AM |
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"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:VPGdna-kfbC_GgbbnZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@comcast.com...
Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
x-no-archive:yes
On Jul 15, 12:25 am, dapra <dap...@comcast.net> wrote:
Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for
the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there
too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to
rule
the unwashed ones.
As for oil, the Chinese seem to be doing a better job of controlling
world oil. Look at how they are the ones who are drilling in the area
around Florida. Forget oil, it does not matter.
As for winning, until we deprogram those who are Radical Muslims (as
the Saudis are doing) we will not win. Radical Islam (Qutbism) is a
religious cult. They follow the teachings of Seyyid Qutb over the
teachings of the Qur'an. These teachings include the killing of
fellow muslims and human sacrifice (beheading) where someone is tied
up like a goat then has their throat cut. The blood is then offered
up to Allah. Remember the US deprogrammed religious cultists back in
the '70s. Ted Patick was a leading deprogrammer back then.
They have no respect for humanity, for women or children. They
practice human sacrifice, cutting the throats of their victims like a
goat then offering the blood up to Allah. They use children as
suicide bombers (in Afghanistan as young as 6).
Most Muslims are sheep who are unwilling to stand up to the
Qutbists....
-------------------------
A True Believer is training to kill you. Training with minimal food
or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only
thing clean on him is his weapon and made be his web gear. He
doesn't worry about what workout to do- his ruck weighs what it
weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True
Believer is not concerned about 'hard', he knows either he wins or
dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The
Cause. Still want to quit?
One basic fact for your consideration. US troops are occupying Baghdad,
not Iraqi troops are occupying Washington. The aggressor always find
justification for more aggression.- Hide quoted text -
Always love it when you left wingers buy into the enemy talking
points.
That's a talking point of the 'enemy'? Even a right winger with limited
mental capacity can see that "US troops are occupying Baghdad, not Iraqi
troops are occupying Washington". You must be at the bottom decile of the
right wingers. That puts you in the bottom 2% of the US population, and
qualify you to have the distinguished title of an imbecile.
When we come under attack again it will not be by those outside the
US. Radical Muslims (Qutbists) are busy recruiting our own kids into
their camp. That way they avoid the term invader. That is what they
are doing in Somalia now. And in Thailand. And in 124 countries
worldwide. We have too many fatherless boys who are prime recruits.
That may come true, if Bush attacks Iran. And he will find reasons to
attack Venezuela. And he may try to go for the yellow gold too after he
got the black one, and attacks Switzerland.
More heist, more 'terrorists' in the Middle East, in South America, in
Europe, bankrupting the US government. Mission accomplished!
Idiots like you will not wake up until we see million to 5 million
dead on our own soil. But more likely you will just convert to Islam
to save your ***** anyway....
Idiots like you will not wake up until Bush starts WW III.
I think the only idiot is your...attacking Switzerland.
Honu
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
16 Jul 2007 10:56:02 AM |
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Hertz Dount wrote:
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:VPGdna-kfbC_GgbbnZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@comcast.com...
Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
x-no-archive:yes
On Jul 15, 12:25 am, dapra <dap...@comcast.net> wrote:
Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
I've heard this question on C-SPAN today. It's an important one to
reflect on.
What does it mean to win the war?
I think, for Bush, it means a puppet government in Iraq, military bases
to wage aggressive wars from, and institute a neoliberal economy for
the
maximum exploitation of the Iraqi people, including controlling their
oil fields.
These are quite despicable goals by the standards of morality of the
average people supposed to live by. But as most of us know, states have
no morality, only interest.
But who's interests the Bush regime, the state serves? Not us, the
people! We pay for the war, the oil companies get the profits. We pay
for the neoliberasition of Iraq, so our jobs can be transferred there
too.
It a good racket! The ruling class has always been able to pull. No one
should ask, why our education stinks. It is a required condition to
rule
the unwashed ones.
As for oil, the Chinese seem to be doing a better job of controlling
world oil. Look at how they are the ones who are drilling in the area
around Florida. Forget oil, it does not matter.
As for winning, until we deprogram those who are Radical Muslims (as
the Saudis are doing) we will not win. Radical Islam (Qutbism) is a
religious cult. They follow the teachings of Seyyid Qutb over the
teachings of the Qur'an. These teachings include the killing of
fellow muslims and human sacrifice (beheading) where someone is tied
up like a goat then has their throat cut. The blood is then offered
up to Allah. Remember the US deprogrammed religious cultists back in
the '70s. Ted Patick was a leading deprogrammer back then.
They have no respect for humanity, for women or children. They
practice human sacrifice, cutting the throats of their victims like a
goat then offering the blood up to Allah. They use children as
suicide bombers (in Afghanistan as young as 6).
Most Muslims are sheep who are unwilling to stand up to the
Qutbists....
-------------------------
A True Believer is training to kill you. Training with minimal food
or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only
thing clean on him is his weapon and made be his web gear. He
doesn't worry about what workout to do- his ruck weighs what it
weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True
Believer is not concerned about 'hard', he knows either he wins or
dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The
Cause. Still want to quit?
One basic fact for your consideration. US troops are occupying Baghdad,
not Iraqi troops are occupying Washington. The aggressor always find
justification for more aggression.- Hide quoted text -
Always love it when you left wingers buy into the enemy talking
points.
That's a talking point of the 'enemy'? Even a right winger with limited
mental capacity can see that "US troops are occupying Baghdad, not Iraqi
troops are occupying Washington". You must be at the bottom decile of the
right wingers. That puts you in the bottom 2% of the US population, and
qualify you to have the distinguished title of an imbecile.
When we come under attack again it will not be by those outside the
US. Radical Muslims (Qutbists) are busy recruiting our own kids into
their camp. That way they avoid the term invader. That is what they
are doing in Somalia now. And in Thailand. And in 124 countries
worldwide. We have too many fatherless boys who are prime recruits.
That may come true, if Bush attacks Iran. And he will find reasons to
attack Venezuela. And he may try to go for the yellow gold too after he
got the black one, and attacks Switzerland.
More heist, more 'terrorists' in the Middle East, in South America, in
Europe, bankrupting the US government. Mission accomplished!
Idiots like you will not wake up until we see million to 5 million
dead on our own soil. But more likely you will just convert to Islam
to save your ***** anyway....
Idiots like you will not wake up until Bush starts WW III.
I think the only idiot is your...attacking Switzerland.
Honu
One can never under estimate the greed of the Bush administration.
Emptying the Swiss banks vaults is a lot easier, ship their contents to
Texas, than transfer the Iraqi oil field to Crawford.
Besides, Bushs concept to increase the number of 'terrorist' worked very
well in the Middle East. He may want to increase the number of
'terrorists' in Europe too. Switzerland would be the best choice to
attack. German, Italian, French 'foreign terrorists' would flock there.
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| User: "Hertz Dount" |
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| Title: Re: How come all you Democrats don't want to win the war? |
16 Jul 2007 11:26:31 AM |
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"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Hertz Dount wrote:
"dapra" <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Soldier in a Combat Zone wrote:
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