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03 Apr 2007 10:32:52 AM |
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How did it all start? |
Guys now here is ***** hole depressing, deeply religious, oppressing
country Greece (I am not
Greek) its easter ''holidays'' and once we get back to school in
biology we will enter the
last chapter witch is evolution ( The ministry of education
intentionally put it last in the
hope that there wont be enough time for the teachers to finish reading
the book).
Now here is my problem, my teacher of biology is
deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply religious and he is
against evolution ,he going to make a mockery out of it because as
usual 99% of all kids
wont dare to say a thing against (after all, all kids here are just
pawns,ignorant and never
read anything except what is presented to them at school) , now
because i dont have enough
time to read the origin of species because i got started with ''Beyond
Good and Evil'' by
Nietzsche and if i interupt it and start reading the origin of species
am gona get mixed up
and forget the beyond good and evil.\
So I am asking you guys if you are willing to help an atheist in
need?
Some of the things I am sure he will start off is how did life
started, how did the first
organisms appeared on earth out of nothing (I personally consider
panspermia as the most
plausible but I am too ashamed to say something like that in front of
25 kids, they will
think I am a total loony, so I am searching for a more earthian
explanation ) .
Some other ***** he is gona be digging in for sure after i manage to
make im shut up with the
above question he will get away from biology and turn to
astronomy,trying to make atheists
look like idiots.
He will probably make me explain how did it all started from nothing
more than an atom that
exploded, what was before the atom,etc...
So in conclusion... HELP HELP HELP!!!!
PS: Sorry for my pour english.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: How did it all start? |
03 Apr 2007 10:54:12 AM |
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"cyberhacker665@gmail.com" <cyberhacker665@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1175614372.414500.156260@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
Guys now here is ***** hole depressing, deeply religious, oppressing
country Greece (I am not Greek) its easter ''holidays'' and once we get
back to school in biology we will enter the last chapter witch is
evolution ( The ministry of education intentionally put it last in the
hope that there wont be enough time for the teachers to finish reading
the book).
Here's some news you can use: You and only you are responsible for your
education. Teachers are there to help, to guide, to prod you along.
Sometimes they're very good at it, sometimes they're not. But in the
end, it's *YOU* who learn or fail to learn.
Read that last chapter no matter what the teacher assigns. Get a copy of
"The Selfish Gene" and read that. Get a copy of an introductory college
biology text. Read it, twice! (I'll even get you a used one from the
local junior college and ship it to you. Ping me here if you want help.)
In the end, it's you who learn or remain ignorant. The tools are there,
use them! Rise above the ignorance around you!
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"To limit the press is to insult a nation; to prohibit reading of certain
books is to declare the inhabitants to be either fools or slaves."
Claude-Adriene Helvetius
(01/26/1715 - 12/26/1771)
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: How did it all start? |
03 Apr 2007 11:20:55 AM |
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On Apr 3, 10:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"cyberhacker...@gmail.com" <cyberhacker...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1175614372.414500.156260@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
Guys now here is ***** hole depressing, deeply religious, oppressing
country Greece (I am not Greek) its easter ''holidays'' and once we get
back to school in biology we will enter the last chapter witch is
evolution ( The ministry of education intentionally put it last in the
hope that there wont be enough time for the teachers to finish reading
the book).
Here's some news you can use: You and only you are responsible for your
education. Teachers are there to help, to guide, to prod you along.
Sometimes they're very good at it, sometimes they're not. But in the
end, it's *YOU* who learn or fail to learn.
Read that last chapter no matter what the teacher assigns. Get a copy of
"The Selfish Gene" and read that. Get a copy of an introductory college
biology text. Read it, twice! (I'll even get you a used one from the
local junior college and ship it to you. Ping me here if you want help.)
Seconds on "The Selfish Gene". It's a fantastic introduction to modern
evolutionary theory. If you get the 30th anniversary edition, Dawkins
has gone through it, making endnotes where something he wrote has been
contradicted or superseded in the intervening decades.
Another good one is "Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion
Years of Life on Earth" by Richard Fortey. It's a very readable
introduction to the current understanding of how evolution progressed.
In the end, it's you who learn or remain ignorant. The tools are there,
use them! Rise above the ignorance around you!
Hear, hear!
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: How did it all start? |
03 Apr 2007 02:05:57 PM |
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On 3 Apr 2007 09:20:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Chris Johnson"
<effigies@gmail.com> in
<1175617255.024877.293920@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 3, 10:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"cyberhacker...@gmail.com" <cyberhacker...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1175614372.414500.156260@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
Guys now here is ***** hole depressing, deeply religious, oppressing
country Greece (I am not Greek) its easter ''holidays'' and once we get
back to school in biology we will enter the last chapter witch is
evolution ( The ministry of education intentionally put it last in the
hope that there wont be enough time for the teachers to finish reading
the book).
Here's some news you can use: You and only you are responsible for your
education. Teachers are there to help, to guide, to prod you along.
Sometimes they're very good at it, sometimes they're not. But in the
end, it's *YOU* who learn or fail to learn.
Read that last chapter no matter what the teacher assigns. Get a copy of
"The Selfish Gene" and read that. Get a copy of an introductory college
biology text. Read it, twice! (I'll even get you a used one from the
local junior college and ship it to you. Ping me here if you want help.)
Seconds on "The Selfish Gene". It's a fantastic introduction to modern
evolutionary theory.
I disagree, Dawkins is stuck on selection and misses much of modern
evolutionary theory. When forced to, he acknowledges the existence of
drift, but does not seem to understand the significance. And I don't
know that he has ever acknowledged the power of ev-dev constraints.
If you get the 30th anniversary edition, Dawkins
has gone through it, making endnotes where something he wrote has been
contradicted or superseded in the intervening decades.
Another good one is "Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion
Years of Life on Earth" by Richard Fortey. It's a very readable
introduction to the current understanding of how evolution progressed.
In the end, it's you who learn or remain ignorant. The tools are there,
use them! Rise above the ignorance around you!
Hear, hear!
Better than Dawkins, take a look at the extensive resources available
at www.talkorigins.org.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: How did it all start? |
03 Apr 2007 02:08:52 PM |
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On Apr 3, 10:05 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 3 Apr 2007 09:20:55 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Chris Johnson"
<effig...@gmail.com> in
<1175617255.024877.293...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 3, 10:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"cyberhacker...@gmail.com" <cyberhacker...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1175614372.414500.156260@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
Guys now here is ***** hole depressing, deeply religious, oppressing
country Greece (I am not Greek) its easter ''holidays'' and once we get
back to school in biology we will enter the last chapter witch is
evolution ( The ministry of education intentionally put it last in the
hope that there wont be enough time for the teachers to finish reading
the book).
Here's some news you can use: You and only you are responsible for your
education. Teachers are there to help, to guide, to prod you along.
Sometimes they're very good at it, sometimes they're not. But in the
end, it's *YOU* who learn or fail to learn.
Read that last chapter no matter what the teacher assigns. Get a copy of
"The Selfish Gene" and read that. Get a copy of an introductory college
biology text. Read it, twice! (I'll even get you a used one from the
local junior college and ship it to you. Ping me here if you want help.)
Seconds on "The Selfish Gene". It's a fantastic introduction to modern
evolutionary theory.
I disagree, Dawkins is stuck on selection and misses much of modern
evolutionary theory. When forced to, he acknowledges the existence of
drift, but does not seem to understand the significance. And I don't
know that he has ever acknowledged the power of ev-dev constraints.
If you get the 30th anniversary edition, Dawkins
has gone through it, making endnotes where something he wrote has been
contradicted or superseded in the intervening decades.
Another good one is "Life: A Natural History of the First Four Billion
Years of Life on Earth" by Richard Fortey. It's a very readable
introduction to the current understanding of how evolution progressed.
In the end, it's you who learn or remain ignorant. The tools are there,
use them! Rise above the ignorance around you!
Hear, hear!
Better than Dawkins, take a look at the extensive resources available
atwww.talkorigins.org.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.orghttp://www.darfurgenocide.orghttp://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
thanks nice site. Am gona read up more on the subject
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: How did it all start? |
03 Apr 2007 11:30:37 AM |
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On Apr 3, 10:32 am, "cyberhacker...@gmail.com"
<cyberhacker...@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys now here is ***** hole depressing, deeply religious, oppressing
country Greece (I am not Greek) its easter ''holidays'' and once we get
back to school in biology we will enter the last chapter witch is
evolution ( The ministry of education intentionally put it last in the
hope that there wont be enough time for the teachers to finish reading
the book).
Now here is my problem, my teacher of biology is
deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply religious and he is against evolution ,he
going to make a mockery out of it because as usual 99% of all kids
wont dare to say a thing against (after all, all kids here are just pawns,
ignorant and never read anything except what is presented to them at
school) , now because i dont have enough time to read the origin of
species
Origin of Species is more of historical interest at this point.
Evolutionary theory has developed a lot since it was written, and it
is not representative of the current understanding of evolution.
<snip>
So I am asking you guys if you are willing to help an atheist in need?
Some of the things I am sure he will start off is how did life started,
how did the first organisms appeared on earth out of nothing (I
personally consider panspermia as the most plausible but I am too
ashamed to say something like that in front of 25 kids, they will think
I am a total loony, so I am searching for a more earthian explanation).
Some other ***** he is gona be digging in for sure after i manage to
make im shut up with the above question he will get away from biology
and turn to astronomy,trying to make atheists look like idiots. He will
probably make me explain how did it all started from nothing more
than an atom that exploded, what was before the atom,etc...
Don't confront a teacher when you don't know what you're talking
about. You're just going to make yourself look like a fool. I would
follow Enkidu's advice and educate yourself. You don't have a
responsibility to educate your peers, especially if you don't have the
knowledge yet, yourself.
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