What about the torture carried out by US troops ?

Fred Stone wrote:

Jez <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in
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L Perez wrote:

How do atheists view the world?

It seems that since they deny God, they have it in their mind that
man will eventually solve his own problems... without God.

This is of course, faulty thinking.

If there were no God then man and the earth are most certainly headed
for extinction. Destrution of the environment and nuclear weapons
guarantee that.

Why is it then that a religious man like G W Bush is responsible for
scrapping environmental protections, and starting an illegal war that
is still slaughtering innocent civilians ?

What's innocent about the Mahdi Army?

I said 'Civilians'...typical 'merkin....you can't tell the difference,
just like your war-machine.

How do atheists view the world?

It seems that since they deny God, they have it in their mind that man will
eventually solve his own problems... without God.

This is of course, faulty thinking.

If there were no God then man and the earth are most certainly headed for
extinction. Destrution of the environment and nuclear weapons guarantee
that.

God has promised in His Word the Bible not to allow man to destroy the earth
but instead, before man crosses that 'point of no return' God will destroy
those ruining the earth (Revelation 11:18) and give it to the people who
acknowledge that God and God alone has the right to rule His creation,
mankind (Psalm 37:9-11; Revelation 21:1-7)

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:31:20 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:53:15 GMT, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the
Lord's name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

Another one, huh? Sometimes I stand around and watch
when that happens, but not always. Integrity is better than
bits n pieces: and therein is hte rub for why Christians exercise
stewardship.

What does that mean, exactly?

I mean, if you disbelieve in God, why hold your

life together?

Excuse me? Since when is a belief in a god a requirement for living?
I do quite nicely without one.

And what holds the world you want to inhabit together?

Love for my friends and family for one thing. No mythical beings
required for that.

I'm like you!! I like love among family members !!

Yes but isn't it the case that secular families don't stay together
very well?

So loving each other is something they want to do, but
they end up with high divorce rates and broken families more often
than families headed by a Christian man and woman?

<remaining silliness snipped>

Yes but isn't it the case that secular families don't stay together
very well?

So loving each other is something they want to do, but
they end up with high divorce rates and broken families more often
than families headed by a Christian man and woman?

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:53:15 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

Another one, huh? Sometimes I stand around and watch
when that happens, but not always. Integrity is better than
bits n pieces: and therein is hte rub for why Christians exercise
stewardship. I mean, if you disbelieve in God, why hold your
life together? And what holds the world you want to inhabit together?

It seems so frivolous, and is. Shallow explosions. Tiny fragments
indeed: don't you want something with more honesty and integrity?

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:53:15 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

Another one, huh? Sometimes I stand around and watch
when that happens, but not always. Integrity is better than
bits n pieces: and therein is hte rub for why Christians exercise
stewardship. I mean, if you disbelieve in God, why hold your
life together? And what holds the world you want to inhabit together?

It seems so frivolous, and is.

Shallow explosions. Tiny fragments
indeed: don't you want something with more honesty and integrity?

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:53:15 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

Another one, huh?

Sometimes I stand around and watch
when that happens, but not always. Integrity is better than
bits n pieces: and therein is hte rub for why Christians exercise
stewardship.

I mean, if you disbelieve in God, why hold your
life together? And what holds the world you want to inhabit together?

It seems so frivolous, and is. Shallow explosions. Tiny fragments
indeed: don't you want something with more honesty and integrity?

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:53:15 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

Another one, huh? Sometimes I stand around and watch
when that happens, but not always. Integrity is better than
bits n pieces:

and therein is hte rub for why Christians exercise
stewardship. I mean, if you disbelieve in God, why hold your
life together?

And what holds the world you want to inhabit together?

It seems so frivolous, and is.

Shallow explosions. Tiny fragments
indeed: don't you want something with more honesty and integrity?

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:53:15 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

Another one, huh? Sometimes I stand around and watch
when that happens, but not always. Integrity is better than
bits n pieces: and therein is hte rub for why Christians exercise
stewardship. I mean, if you disbelieve in God, why hold your
life together? And what holds the world you want to inhabit together?

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:02 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:

Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.

As another Irony-ometer explodes into tiny fragments...

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:

"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?

Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.

Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally
free from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for
the spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.

Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face
reality.

But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?

Why do you think life needs a goal?

Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?

I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see
our decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy
or universe...

What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?

Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.

What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his
natural life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to
remember past experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued
state of existence?

Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste
the one life he has?

Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?

Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.

We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.

At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.