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"Son of man" |
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13 Aug 2004 09:04:57 PM |
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How do atheists view the world? |
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the atheist
view that nothing is carried on or passed into another dimension beyond the
physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just to hope for as best a life
as possible, while believing nothing will remain of their experiences, not
even memories once they are dead?
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical after
death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees life in this
world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually so that they can
achieve a higher state of existence, one totally free from all suffering, in
a spiriual dimension after death. So for the spiritual person, like in this
world has meaning...it's like a stepping stone or bridge depending on how
they live their lives.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal? Would it
really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to bits, since death
is the end-all finality that comes to everything that is born into this
world anyway?
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as much
pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his head off
this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his natural life since the
end is the same -- nothing by which to remember past experiences, and no
expectation or hope of a continued state of existence?
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"The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent." Brad Rogers
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/Christ-Son-of-Buddha/TheWordOfGod_1.htm
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: How do atheists view the world? |
14 Aug 2004 04:50:04 PM |
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"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> said:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the atheist
view that nothing is carried on or passed into another dimension beyond the
physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just to hope for as best a life
as possible, while believing nothing will remain of their experiences, not
even memories once they are dead?
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical after
death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees life in this
world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually so that they can
achieve a higher state of existence, one totally free from all suffering, in
a spiriual dimension after death. So for the spiritual person, like in this
world has meaning...it's like a stepping stone or bridge depending on how
they live their lives.
And then, when you are in the next world, somebody asks, "is life in
this world really important?"
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal? Would it
really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to bits, since death
is the end-all finality that comes to everything that is born into this
world anyway?
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as much
pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Looks like the spiritual person is striving for the same, only in the
next world.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his head off
this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his natural life since the
end is the same -- nothing by which to remember past experiences, and no
expectation or hope of a continued state of existence?
What difference is there between striving for happiness in this life,
versus striving for happiness not in this life, but the next? And in
the next life, the same questions arise.
Jim07D4
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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| Title: Re: How do atheists view the world? |
13 Aug 2004 09:33:59 PM |
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"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally free
from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for the
spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see our
decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy or
universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his natural
life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to remember past
experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued state of
existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste the
one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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13 Aug 2004 09:50:02 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally free
from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for the
spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see our
decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy or
universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his natural
life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to remember past
experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued state of
existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste the
one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Aug 2004 10:20:11 PM |
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"Login with Secure Password Authentication" <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in message news:s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally free
from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for the
spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see our
decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy or
universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his natural
life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to remember past
experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued state of
existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste the
one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Ahem, excuse me, but...........WHAT A CROCK!
--
__________
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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13 Aug 2004 10:32:34 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:20:11 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Login with Secure Password Authentication" <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in message news:s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally free
from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for the
spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see our
decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy or
universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his natural
life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to remember past
experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued state of
existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste the
one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Ahem, excuse me, but...........WHAT A CROCK!
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
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14 Aug 2004 06:35:17 AM |
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"Login with Secure Password Authentication" <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in message news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a ***** about
your opinion.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mikhail" |
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14 Aug 2004 07:16:13 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Login with Secure Password Authentication"
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in message
news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a *****
about your opinion.
mmmmmmmmmiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhh
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Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we.
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| User: "Mikhail" |
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14 Aug 2004 07:18:08 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Re: How do atheists view the world?
"Login with Secure Password Authentication"
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in message
news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
/begin
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a *****
about your opinion.
/end
Seconds?
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Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we.
-George Bush 2004/08/20040805
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16 Aug 2004 04:37:02 AM |
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"Mikhail" <mik@boat.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Re: How do atheists view the world?
"Login with Secure Password Authentication"
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in message
news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
/begin
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a *****
about your opinion.
/end
Seconds?
No offense, but isn't that true of all theist posts? I don't get the
quote-worthyness, since I think it on almost every post.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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14 Aug 2004 09:26:52 PM |
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Mikhail <mik@boat.com> astounded us with:
news:10htau086u97bf2@corp.supernews.com:
Robibnikoff wrote:
Re: How do atheists view the world?
"Login with Secure Password Authentication"
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in message
news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
/begin
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a *****
about your opinion.
/end
Seconds?
Put me down for it
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
Remove "s" to respond
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14 Aug 2004 09:42:22 PM |
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"Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95466A518C501Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177...
Mikhail <mik@boat.com> astounded us with:
news:10htau086u97bf2@corp.supernews.com:
Robibnikoff wrote:
Re: How do atheists view the world?
"Login with Secure Password Authentication"
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in message
news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
/begin
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a *****
about your opinion.
/end
Seconds?
Put me down for it
LOL, I'm flattered :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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15 Aug 2004 03:48:03 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> astounded us with:
news:2o80sfF7rtkkU1@uni-berlin.de:
"Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95466A518C501Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177...
Mikhail <mik@boat.com> astounded us with:
news:10htau086u97bf2@corp.supernews.com:
Robibnikoff wrote:
Re: How do atheists view the world?
"Login with Secure Password Authentication"
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in message
news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
/begin
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a *****
about your opinion.
/end
Seconds?
Put me down for it
LOL, I'm flattered :)
<Swiftly removes hat and bows> "My pleasure, ma'am"
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
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16 Aug 2004 07:21:52 PM |
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In article <Xns95466A518C501Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177>,
"Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote:
Mikhail <mik@boat.com> astounded us with:
news:10htau086u97bf2@corp.supernews.com:
Robibnikoff wrote:
Re: How do atheists view the world?
"Login with Secure Password Authentication"
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in message
news:2t1rh0ptigjjp51svpf66tqchki018uu3k@4ax.com...smip
That sort of thing is easy to say on USENET, but I don't see any
substance to your position there, witchypoo.
/begin
That's nice, deary, but you mistake me for someone who gives a *****
about your opinion.
/end
Seconds?
Put me down for it
Recorded.
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
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14 Aug 2004 11:33:57 AM |
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In article <s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com>,
GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com says...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally free
from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for the
spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see our
decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy or
universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his natural
life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to remember past
experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued state of
existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste the
one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Blam, there goes another Irony-meter!!
LOL, glad I buy them by the dozen these days...
BDK
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13 Aug 2004 10:46:36 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally
free from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for
the spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face
reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see
our decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy
or universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his
natural life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to
remember past experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued
state of existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste
the one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
But you don't seem to be in any hurry to meet this "lord". I don't see
much difference in that regard from atheists or other non-xians. "Son of
Man" seems to think that without the delusion of heaven, atheists have
nothing to live for. But at the same time, I don't see him or any other
xians that are in any big hurry to meet this god and enjoy their heaven.
The xians I see avoid death and dying just as much as non-believers.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally
free from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for
the spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face
reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see
our decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy
or universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his
natural life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to
remember past experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued
state of existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste
the one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
But you don't seem to be in any hurry to meet this "lord". I don't see
much difference in that regard from atheists or other non-xians. "Son of
Man" seems to think that without the delusion of heaven, atheists have
nothing to live for. But at the same time, I don't see him or any other
xians that are in any big hurry to meet this god and enjoy their heaven.
The xians I see avoid death and dying just as much as non-believers.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
David
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14 Aug 2004 11:38:17 AM |
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In article <f73rh0h4uaovt4v4h9ige2sjggh7o64tht@4ax.com>,
GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com says...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is the
atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist? Just
to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing nothing will
remain of their experiences, not even memories once they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much sees
life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or spiritually
so that they can achieve a higher state of existence, one totally
free from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after death. So for
the spiritual person, like in this world has meaning...it's like a
stepping stone or bridge depending on how they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face
reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see
our decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the galaxy
or universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get as
much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his
natural life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to
remember past experiences, and no expectation or hope of a continued
state of existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to waste
the one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up in
heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors and
police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
But you don't seem to be in any hurry to meet this "lord". I don't see
much difference in that regard from atheists or other non-xians. "Son of
Man" seems to think that without the delusion of heaven, atheists have
nothing to live for. But at the same time, I don't see him or any other
xians that are in any big hurry to meet this god and enjoy their heaven.
The xians I see avoid death and dying just as much as non-believers.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
David
Believe me, there's probably nothing you could say that would even
slightly interest any atheist in this newsgroup in a "Christian Life".
Im my case, there is zero interest, nada, zilch....
I'm not bored, I'm sleepy, and tired of the god nonsense..
BDK
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14 Aug 2004 07:51:33 AM |
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Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:f73rh0h4uaovt4v4h9ige2sjggh7o64tht@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
(snip)
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up
in heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors
and police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their
houses and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive
about doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to
the Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the
Parables of the Lord.
But you don't seem to be in any hurry to meet this "lord". I don't
see much difference in that regard from atheists or other non-xians.
"Son of Man" seems to think that without the delusion of heaven,
atheists have nothing to live for. But at the same time, I don't see
him or any other xians that are in any big hurry to meet this god and
enjoy their heaven. The xians I see avoid death and dying just as much
as non-believers.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast
out devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the
Lord's name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
Having lived a "christian life" for a number of years, and now living
without god myths, I am quite aware of the benefits to living in the real
world instead of that fantasy. But for those of you so crippled by your god
beliefs, I would point out that a "cynical nihilist life" isn't the only
alternative.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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14 Aug 2004 06:57:09 PM |
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Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:f73rh0h4uaovt4v4h9ige2sjggh7o64tht@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
Login with Secure Password Authentication
<GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote in
news:s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
(snip)
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up
in heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life --
like vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors
and police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their
houses and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive
about doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting
to
the Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the
Parables of the Lord.
But you don't seem to be in any hurry to meet this "lord". I don't
see much difference in that regard from atheists or other non-xians.
"Son of Man" seems to think that without the delusion of heaven,
atheists have nothing to live for. But at the same time, I don't see
him or any other xians that are in any big hurry to meet this god and
enjoy their heaven. The xians I see avoid death and dying just as
much as non-believers.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course
we fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to
cast out devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in
the Lord's name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to
have to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and
a cynical nihilist life?
Having lived a "christian life" for a number of years, and now living
without god myths, I am quite aware of the benefits to living in the
real world instead of that fantasy. But for those of you so crippled
by your god beliefs, I would point out that a "cynical nihilist life"
isn't the only alternative.
Not to a projectionist it isn't.
--
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we.
-George Bush 2004/08/20040805
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14 Aug 2004 06:55:15 PM |
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Login with Secure Password Authentication wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:s5vqh0h4nem2vh2vanikeb5ikl65bmqc9c@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:33:59 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"Son of man" <thepuppetmaster@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:RqeTc.13035$Yh.1023@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
Is life in this world really important? Since after death it is
the atheist view that nothing is carried on or passed into another
dimension beyond the physical, what is the goal of the atheist?
Just to hope for as best a life as possible, while believing
nothing will remain of their experiences, not even memories once
they are dead?
Yeah, reality can be a ***** can't it.
Someone who believes in a spiritual dimension beyond the physical
after death that is similar to a dream-like world, pretty much
sees life in this world as opportunity to progress morally or
spiritually so that they can achieve a higher state of existence,
one totally free from all suffering, in a spiriual dimension after
death. So for the spiritual person, like in this world has
meaning...it's like a stepping stone or bridge depending on how
they live their lives.
Yeah, isn't it amazing what a little self delusion can do for people
without the courage or intelligence or knowledge or.... to face
reality.
But what's the atheist view on life in this world? What's the
goal?
Why do you think life needs a goal?
Would it really matter to atheists if the whole world was blown to
bits, since death is the end-all finality that comes to everything
that is born into this world anyway?
I guess most of us have a little "species ego" and would like to see
our decendents go on to bigger and better things throughout the
galaxy or universe...
What basically do atheists strive for in this life? To simply get
as much pleasure wherever it can be had and to hope for a long
life?
Well, it does beat getting a load of ***** and a short life.
What difference is there to an atheist whether he were to blow his
head off this very second, or to live out the reaminder of his
natural life since the end is the same -- nothing by which to
remember past experiences, and no expectation or hope of a
continued state of existence?
Why would someone without the fantasy of an "afterlife" want to
waste the one life he has?
Perhaps one should ask why a xian who believes he's going to end up
in heaven bothers to do anything that would prolong his life -- like
vaccines, or preventive medicine, or safety measures or wear a
seatbelt...?
Christians also pay their taxes, are friendly with their neighbors
and police, keep in touch with their families, take care of their
houses
and yards, and so on. We are stewards, and are aggressive about
doing that right, as we will have to make a full accounting to the
Lord of the vineyard. These are very strongly shown in the Parables
of the Lord.
But you don't seem to be in any hurry to meet this "lord". I don't
see
much difference in that regard from atheists or other non-xians. "Son
of Man" seems to think that without the delusion of heaven, atheists
have
nothing to live for. But at the same time, I don't see him or any
other xians that are in any big hurry to meet this god and enjoy their
heaven. The xians I see avoid death and dying just as much as
non-believers.
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast
out devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the
Lord's name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
And *there* it is-the fundamental Christian dishonesty, bigotry,
ignorance, prejudice, and inability (or unwillingness) to think.
David
--
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we.
-George Bush 2004/08/20040805
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14 Aug 2004 12:15:53 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
Perhaps he's just quick to observe that your claim to be "no-nonsense
people", while simultaneously talking seriously about superstitious
crap like "casting out devils" is worthy of outright derisive
laughter.
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14 Aug 2004 02:14:28 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:15:53 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
Perhaps he's just quick to observe that your claim to be "no-nonsense
people", while simultaneously talking seriously about superstitious
crap like "casting out devils" is worthy of outright derisive
laughter.
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
I kind of feel like I'm talking to Penn and Teller now, speaking of
laughter: One of you is so laconic, and the other debunker explains
what he is thinking. This isn't sarcastic but I do find it funny.
As far as outright derisive laughter goes, this is okay: I think it is
anyone's right to laugh at something ridiculous. An occultist or
an idolator on a manic high can be funny--the Lord does choose
to laugh at them at times-- although we may not want to devote our
entire lives to saying "Bull####!" as Penn and Teller do. Their
shtick got dumb fast.
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14 Aug 2004 11:39:59 AM |
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In article <57erh0tr2mn4eb2arbuhpfqu7eojbaktnh@4ax.com>,
GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com says...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:15:53 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
Perhaps he's just quick to observe that your claim to be "no-nonsense
people", while simultaneously talking seriously about superstitious
crap like "casting out devils" is worthy of outright derisive
laughter.
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
I kind of feel like I'm talking to Penn and Teller now, speaking of
laughter: One of you is so laconic, and the other debunker explains
what he is thinking. This isn't sarcastic but I do find it funny.
As far as outright derisive laughter goes, this is okay: I think it is
anyone's right to laugh at something ridiculous. An occultist or
an idolator on a manic high can be funny--the Lord does choose
to laugh at them at times-- although we may not want to devote our
entire lives to saying "Bull####!" as Penn and Teller do. Their
shtick got dumb fast.
Didn't like the episode on religion, eh??
LOL, I can understand why you feel that way..
It was still GREAT.
BDK
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14 Aug 2004 07:53:12 AM |
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Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:57erh0tr2mn4eb2arbuhpfqu7eojbaktnh@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:15:53 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course
we fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to
cast out devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does
in the Lord's name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to
have to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and
a cynical nihilist life?
Perhaps he's just quick to observe that your claim to be "no-nonsense
people", while simultaneously talking seriously about superstitious
crap like "casting out devils" is worthy of outright derisive
laughter.
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
I kind of feel like I'm talking to Penn and Teller now, speaking of
laughter: One of you is so laconic, and the other debunker explains
what he is thinking. This isn't sarcastic but I do find it funny.
As far as outright derisive laughter goes, this is okay: I think it is
anyone's right to laugh at something ridiculous. An occultist or
an idolator on a manic high can be funny--the Lord does choose
to laugh at them at times-- although we may not want to devote our
entire lives to saying "Bull####!" as Penn and Teller do. Their
shtick got dumb fast.
Yeah, I suppose when you are on the receiving end of a lot of "*****"
calls it would get old. But that doesn't make your myths any less
"*****".
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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14 Aug 2004 07:03:05 PM |
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Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
Login with Secure Password Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com>
wrote in news:57erh0tr2mn4eb2arbuhpfqu7eojbaktnh@4ax.com:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:15:53 GMT, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course
we fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to
cast out devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does
in the Lord's name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to
have to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life
and a cynical nihilist life?
Perhaps he's just quick to observe that your claim to be "no-nonsense
people", while simultaneously talking seriously about superstitious
crap like "casting out devils" is worthy of outright derisive
laughter.
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
I kind of feel like I'm talking to Penn and Teller now, speaking of
laughter: One of you is so laconic, and the other debunker explains
what he is thinking. This isn't sarcastic but I do find it funny.
As far as outright derisive laughter goes, this is okay: I think it
is
anyone's right to laugh at something ridiculous. An occultist or
an idolator on a manic high can be funny--the Lord does choose
to laugh at them at times-- although we may not want to devote our
entire lives to saying "Bull####!" as Penn and Teller do. Their
shtick got dumb fast.
Yeah, I suppose when you are on the receiving end of a lot of
"*****"
calls it would get old. But that doesn't make your myths any less
"*****".
As the world gets buried under 5000 metres of the *****.
--
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we.
-George Bush 2004/08/20040805
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| User: "Jez" |
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14 Aug 2004 04:07:51 PM |
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Login with Secure Password Authentication wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:15:53 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
Perhaps he's just quick to observe that your claim to be "no-nonsense
people", while simultaneously talking seriously about superstitious
crap like "casting out devils" is worthy of outright derisive
laughter.
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
Aww those poor persecuted Christians !
Weren't very persecuted during the so-called 'dark ages' were they ?
No, they just stole as much power and wealth they could !
The inquisition wasn't very persecuted either !
Christians...fucking war-mongering scum and thieves, as they always have
been.
I kind of feel like I'm talking to Penn and Teller now, speaking of
laughter: One of you is so laconic, and the other debunker explains
what he is thinking. This isn't sarcastic but I do find it funny.
As far as outright derisive laughter goes, this is okay: I think it is
anyone's right to laugh at something ridiculous. An occultist or
an idolator on a manic high can be funny--
the Lord does choose
to laugh at them at times--
Really ? Where is this laughter to be heard ?
although we may not want to devote our
entire lives to saying "Bull####!" as Penn and Teller do. Their
shtick got dumb fast.
At least they are funny, you just sound pompous.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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14 Aug 2004 01:43:48 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:14:28 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
What "reality of persecuted Christians"?
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| User: "raven1" |
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14 Aug 2004 08:55:19 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:14:28 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 05:15:53 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
We share and build alliances in school and at work, and of course we
fellowship in church. Remember Christ sent us to heal and to cast out
devils--not all of us, but each has work he or she does in the Lord's
name, and in the Holy Spirit.
At the root of it, we are very no-nonsense people, really.
Now that is irony.
And that was quick. Are you really bored, or just anxious not to have
to take inventory of the difference between a Christian life and a
cynical nihilist life?
Perhaps he's just quick to observe that your claim to be "no-nonsense
people", while simultaneously talking seriously about superstitious
crap like "casting out devils" is worthy of outright derisive
laughter.
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
Christians haven't been persecuted in the West since Constantine
converted, except by their fellow Christians, so spare me the usual
party line.
I kind of feel like I'm talking to Penn and Teller now, speaking of
laughter: One of you is so laconic, and the other debunker explains
what he is thinking. This isn't sarcastic but I do find it funny.
As far as outright derisive laughter goes, this is okay: I think it is
anyone's right to laugh at something ridiculous. An occultist or
an idolator on a manic high can be funny--the Lord does choose
to laugh at them at times-- although we may not want to devote our
entire lives to saying "Bull####!" as Penn and Teller do. Their
shtick got dumb fast.
You still miss the point. To a non-believer, the idea of actually
believing in primitive superstitions like "casting out devils" is just
as ridiculous as you find an occultist or "idolater" to be.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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14 Aug 2004 10:38:08 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Login with Secure Password
Authentication:
Having Scottish relatives makes for these notions to be quite
compatible: and, seriously, if you reflect on the reality of
persecuted Christians you'll find them very much no-nonsense groups.
They adopted practical solutions to protect and preserve their
communities churches and fellowship.
You seem to have re-defined the word "nonsense". When I order Chinese
and ask for no-MSG, I fully expect no MSG. Your no-nonsense group above
is held together through nonsensical beliefs.
I kind of feel like I'm talking to Penn and Teller now, speaking of
laughter: One of you is so laconic, and the other debunker explains
what he is thinking. This isn't sarcastic but I do find it funny.
You've wandered into a swarm.
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame69.html
As far as outright derisive laughter goes, this is okay: I think it is
anyone's right to laugh at something ridiculous. An occultist or
an idolator on a manic high can be funny--the Lord does choose
to laugh at them at times-- although we may not want to devote our
entire lives to saying "Bull####!" as Penn and Teller do. Their
shtick got dumb fast.
We're sorry if we ridicule your world view. But if you studied the bible
and world religions as we have - many of us, including myself, in a last-
ditch search for the truth - you'd see why. As a case study, take a look
at Scientology. Then try to explain why Christianity differs.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to
be as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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| User: "Mikhail" |
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| Title: Re: How do atheists view the world? |
14 Aug 2004 06:59:09 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:00:21 -0400, Login with Secure Password
Authentication <GodsSoldier@GlorytoHim.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:46:36 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
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