Religions > Atheism > How do creationists identify things that are not designed?
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"Denis Loubet" |
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26 Jun 2006 06:49:34 PM |
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How do creationists identify things that are not designed? |
I just had a thought. Yes it hurt. But here it is.
Since a creationist believes that a god created everything, that means that
as far as he's concerned, no one has ever experienced anything that is NOT
designed. They can't compare designed things to things not designed because
to them, there is no such thing as something that's not designed. That being
the case, how can they justify engaging in an ID argument that requires such
a comparison?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
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| User: "Uncle Clover" |
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| Title: Re: How do creationists identify things that are not designed? |
26 Jun 2006 07:22:21 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:49:34 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
I just had a thought. Yes it hurt. But here it is.
Since a creationist believes that a god created everything, that means that
as far as he's concerned, no one has ever experienced anything that is NOT
designed. They can't compare designed things to things not designed because
to them, there is no such thing as something that's not designed. That being
the case, how can they justify engaging in an ID argument that requires such
a comparison?
They don't define it quite like that. Every little thing in the universe was,
according to them, designed, but the various components of the universe (atoms
and whatnot) become arranged in a pattern which is not itself designed. So to
them, "non-designed" essentially means "random".
An example would be the oft-used "watch parts" analogy. Take a ton of watch
parts (none of them assembled into any portion of a watch) and scatter them
about the place. Each watch part is individually designed, but their
arrangement (a mess scattered all over the floor) is non-designed.
Further, they suggest that any time you see watch parts working in apparent,
non-random harmony, what you are seeing is a designed system. They then
fallaciously transfer this notion onto non-man-made things - any time you see
anything in the universe working in apparent harmony as part of some system, you
are seeing something that had to have been deliberately designed.
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L8r,
Uncle Clover
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: How do creationists identify things that are not designed? |
28 Jun 2006 05:27:28 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:22:21 -0400, Uncle Clover <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:49:34 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
I just had a thought. Yes it hurt. But here it is.
Since a creationist believes that a god created everything, that means that
as far as he's concerned, no one has ever experienced anything that is NOT
designed. They can't compare designed things to things not designed because
to them, there is no such thing as something that's not designed. That being
the case, how can they justify engaging in an ID argument that requires such
a comparison?
They don't define it quite like that. Every little thing in the universe was,
according to them, designed, but the various components of the universe (atoms
and whatnot) become arranged in a pattern which is not itself designed. So to
them, "non-designed" essentially means "random".
Now you've done it. You've blown his mind (did I really use that word) out.
duke, American-American
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