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"DanielSan" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:28:02 PM |
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How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
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| User: "Randy Story" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
26 Mar 2005 06:32:14 PM |
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"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
26 Mar 2005 06:38:32 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When
we tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to
help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they
were doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt
you at least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter
how hard they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many
times they laughed in your face..
No. We don't search you out and force you to hear us explain why you are
wasting your life following a primitive cannibalistic death cult, do we?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The universal cosmic process was not created by any god or man.
-- Heracletus, On Nature
Now playing: Earth Story 08
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
26 Mar 2005 11:19:16 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When
we tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to
help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they
were doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt
you at least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter
how hard they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many
times they laughed in your face..
This is christer "help."
There really should be a pill or something for people like this, if there's
not enough space in a special room with special jackets.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Never use a weapon you don't like the taste of.
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 04:47:32 PM |
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Doc Smartass wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When
we tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to
help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they
were doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt
you at least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter
how hard they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many
times they laughed in your face..
This is christer "help."
There really should be a pill or something for people like this, if there's
not enough space in a special room with special jackets.
Unfortunately, it is illeagal to distribute cyanide to those who
desperately need it.
--
Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 08:15:41 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:14 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard
they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed
in
your face..
You have made a basic error. You claim to see our cars racing over a cliff.
In fact, what you see is our cars disappearing over the horizon. Your claim
that it is a cliff is just your own perception. Otherwise you would be able
to prove to us the existence of this cliff. The rest of us are happily
cruising along at the legal limit enjoying the view.
Kathy aa #1802
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 02:42:34 AM |
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In article <Xns9625ED5F88ED5askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When
we tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to
help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they
were doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt
you at least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter
how hard they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many
times they laughed in your face..
This is christer "help."
There really should be a pill or something for people like this, if there's
not enough space in a special room with special jackets.
With lots of foam rubber on the walls and no pointy objects.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 06:06:27 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:42:34 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns9625ED5F88ED5askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When
we tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to
help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they
were doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt
you at least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter
how hard they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many
times they laughed in your face..
This is christer "help."
There really should be a pill or something for people like this, if there's
not enough space in a special room with special jackets.
With lots of foam rubber on the walls and no pointy objects.
Especially crosses of any kind and nails.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 11:24:10 PM |
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In article <b88d41dnk61qo7vevj4o3r0o4brdekaldg@4ax.com>,
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 00:42:34 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <Xns9625ED5F88ED5askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When
we tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to
help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they
were doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt
you at least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter
how hard they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many
times they laughed in your face..
This is christer "help."
There really should be a pill or something for people like this, if
there's
not enough space in a special room with special jackets.
With lots of foam rubber on the walls and no pointy objects.
Especially crosses of any kind and nails.
Reminds me of a very bizarre story I read some years ago. Some loon, in
Germany, I think, tried to crucify himself. He nailed one hand, but then
realized that he lacked a free hand to nail his other hand to the cross.
Somehow, he managed to call the police to free him. I wish that I could
find the link again.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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26 Mar 2005 09:18:32 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Randy Story poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
....
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them.
< chuckle! > Another wannabe saviour.
Randy, are you so daft as to think that you are an original? Your
fallacious world view has been analysed here hundreds, and thousands, of
times.
If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
It might help if you actually had a clue as to what you are going on
about ....
Regards,
Josef
Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time deliberately rebel
against anything that is not worth rebelling against.
-- Thomas Carlyle
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| User: "johac" |
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27 Mar 2005 02:48:10 AM |
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In article <114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com>,
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
Laughable! The atheist on seeing the cliff would assess the facts and
swerve to avoid it. The xtian would keep on going straight because
that's what his preacher told him to do, and besides, the cliff isn't
mentioned in the bible.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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26 Mar 2005 07:42:01 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2005, Randy Story dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When
we tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to
help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help"
us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they
were doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt
you at least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter
how hard they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many
times they laughed in your face..
What facts, yours? People rising from the dead are not observable facts.
First of all, atheists are not racing over a cliff. We are heading for
the same end you are - death and burial. For some reason, probably
wishful thinking, you believe there is more to life than life itself. We
do not. There is no way either of us can know who is correct. But the
fact is this: there is no objective evidence for what you are asserting,
and what you are asserting is so far-fetched it requires a LOT of
objective evidence. Couple this with the fact that there are so many
versions of your story - and they all contradict each other, shedding
serious doubt any of it could be true. Based on this we see no reason to
believe you.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "James, The Apostle that Jesus Molested" |
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26 Mar 2005 11:26:30 PM |
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On Mar 27, 2005, Randy Story sent message
<114bvtkauo4o5be@corp.supernews.com>, which allegedly said:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
What 'cliff'?
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
You don't even know us, you show you and your religion have no connection to
'love' when you cheapen the meaning of the word so ignorantly.
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
*****.
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792 Almost always SMASHed
AIM: Hypercube3141592
ICQ: 137333576
email: as given, or whatever you like @ tesseract.com.au
ph: http://www.whitepages.com.au/
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 12:49:21 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:14 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
The problem is, the cliff is a hallucination. So you are in
exactly the position of a malodorous, capering maniac
running about waving his arms and interrupting the orderly
flow of traffic. Do people ever respond to such people with
anything but the finger?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 05:26:28 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:14 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
And herein lies the root of the problem. Christians simply cannot
comprehend the fact that to a non-Christian, their beliefs are totally
irrelevant, and that to the non-believer, the proselytizing Christian
is not a welcome bringer of salvation, but simply an annoying pest.
They're utterly incapable of understanding or accepting that there are
people in this world who don't believe in their god and don't want
their "salvation."
We don't need or want your "help", Christians, and you will gain
nothing by trying to force your beliefs onto us. Persistent preachers
have driven far more people away from faith than they've ever
converted. Please, talk about something other than your religious
beliefs, or if you can't do that, just go away and leave us in peace.
Tell your tales to someone who wants to hear them. We don't.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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27 Mar 2005 05:37:34 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:14 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
And herein lies the root of the problem. Christians simply cannot
comprehend the fact that to a non-Christian, their beliefs are totally
irrelevant, and that to the non-believer, the proselytizing Christian
is not a welcome bringer of salvation, but simply an annoying pest.
They're utterly incapable of understanding or accepting that there are
people in this world who don't believe in their god and don't want
their "salvation."
We don't need or want your "help", Christians, and you will gain
nothing by trying to force your beliefs onto us. Persistent preachers
have driven far more people away from faith than they've ever
converted. Please, talk about something other than your religious
beliefs, or if you can't do that, just go away and leave us in peace.
Tell your tales to someone who wants to hear them. We don't.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 06:00:36 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:14 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
You should understand that as adults we are responsible for our own
lives and actions , have carefully considered the matter and have
reached what we consider to be a sensible position.
The prayers themselves don't matter, to us they are meaningless
it is your motive and reason for doing it that is insulting to tell us
by as you are effectively saying you are presuming to take responsible
for our lives and doing for us what you infer we are refusing to do.
You insult our lack of belief when you do.
Like all analogies your analogy concerning cars is meaningless
and just adds to the insult when you infer we are blind and ignorant.
I respect your sincere belief in a god. Please do us the same courtesy
and respect our sincere lack of belief and do not presume
we are like children incapable of running our own lives our own way.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Mar 2005 07:37:52 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
You should understand that as adults we are responsible for our own
lives and actions , have carefully considered the matter and have
reached what we consider to be a sensible position.
The prayers themselves don't matter, to us they are meaningless
it is your motive and reason for doing it that is insulting to tell us
by as you are effectively saying you are presuming to take responsible
for our lives and doing for us what you infer we are refusing to do.
You insult our lack of belief when you do.
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same thing that many
of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God at about age 24 and
realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize you or
p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs and point out how
false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not seeing things
my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself will reap the rewards of your
beliefs and not me.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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27 Mar 2005 01:04:51 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same
thing that many of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God
at about age 24 and realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd
made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize
you or p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs
and point out how false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not
seeing things my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself will
reap the rewards of your beliefs and not me.
We've read what you write about people, Earl.
We've read your idea of a "quiz".
We understand the context of "It's your funeral"
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 02:57:16 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:04:51 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same
thing that many of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God
at about age 24 and realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd
made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize
you or p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs
and point out how false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not
seeing things my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself will
reap the rewards of your beliefs and not me.
We've read what you write about people, Earl.
We've read your idea of a "quiz".
We understand the context of "It's your funeral"
And we also see that Duke is a textbook example of the type of
Christian who just can't get a handle on the idea that his religious
beliefs are completely irrelevant to a non-Christian.
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Mar 2005 05:21:23 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:57:16 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:04:51 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same
thing that many of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God
at about age 24 and realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd
made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize
you or p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs
and point out how false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not
seeing things my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself will
reap the rewards of your beliefs and not me.
We've read what you write about people, Earl.
We've read your idea of a "quiz".
We understand the context of "It's your funeral"
And we also see that Duke is a textbook example of the type of
Christian who just can't get a handle on the idea that his religious
beliefs are completely irrelevant to a non-Christian.
Yet I'm only trying to help you.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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28 Mar 2005 07:26:58 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:21:23 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:57:16 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:04:51 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same
thing that many of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God
at about age 24 and realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd
made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize
you or p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs
and point out how false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not
seeing things my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself will
reap the rewards of your beliefs and not me.
We've read what you write about people, Earl.
We've read your idea of a "quiz".
We understand the context of "It's your funeral"
And we also see that Duke is a textbook example of the type of
Christian who just can't get a handle on the idea that his religious
beliefs are completely irrelevant to a non-Christian.
Yet I'm only trying to help you.
And you do. You have helped me in ways you cannot comprehend.
I am more certain than ever that 'belief' is irrational and that the
Roman Catholic Church is built on a ridicuous fantasy.
Why did the mysterious hand reach out to take the microphone
away from the Pope on Sunday?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
28 Mar 2005 11:44:16 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:21:23 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:57:16 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:04:51 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same
thing that many of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God
at about age 24 and realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd
made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize
you or p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs
and point out how false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not
seeing things my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself will
reap the rewards of your beliefs and not me.
We've read what you write about people, Earl.
We've read your idea of a "quiz".
We understand the context of "It's your funeral"
And we also see that Duke is a textbook example of the type of
Christian who just can't get a handle on the idea that his religious
beliefs are completely irrelevant to a non-Christian.
Yet I'm only trying to help you.
Oh, and you have, Duke. You have. If I ever feel myself drifting
toward theism (which, to be honest, isn't likely), I'll just think of
your shining example, and that'll be the end of that silliness. <G>
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 07:41:07 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:04:51 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same
thing that many of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God
at about age 24 and realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd
made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize
you or p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs
and point out how false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not
seeing things my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself will
reap the rewards of your beliefs and not me.
We've read what you write about people, Earl.
We've read your idea of a "quiz".
We understand the context of "It's your funeral"
Great, now you understand.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 09:45:54 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:04:51 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:00:36 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Then what is my motive if not to help you overcome the very same
thing that many of us experienced ourselves. I too turned from God
at about age 24 and realized at age 40 what a horrible mistake I'd
made.
I don't sit here pumping you full of God stuff. I don't evangelize
you or p-word (proselytize??) you. I only quiz you on your beliefs
and point out how false they are.
When I tell you "it's your funeral", I'm not chiding you for not
seeing things my way. It's my acknowledgement that you yourself
will reap the rewards of your beliefs and not me.
We've read what you write about people, Earl.
We've read your idea of a "quiz".
We understand the context of "It's your funeral"
Great, now you understand.
duke
Yes, you have no respect for people and no understanding of what a quiz is.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 07:24:59 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:32:14 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote:
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them.
This is based on the presupposition, that you are in possession of some *facts*,
which we are not.
But when we ask to see the evidence that supports those facts, you are unable
to produce it.
However, I think you have got your analogy reversed.
We say that the road ends at the cliff, you insist that the road continues, but
you cannot show us the continuation.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
28 Mar 2005 05:56:13 AM |
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Randy Story wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard
they tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they
laughed in your face..
On the other hand, imagine you're driving along a dead straight, level road
in bright sunshine with nothing else for miles around, and one of your
passengers keeps yammering on about driving over a cliff, and you ask,
"What bloody cliff?", and he says, "Look, according to this 2,000 year old
prophecy by this ancient mystic there's a cliff around here, and you're
driving over it", you'd think he was fucking nuts, wouldn't you?
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
28 Mar 2005 05:36:35 PM |
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Kevin Anthoney wrote:
On the other hand, imagine you're driving along a dead straight,
level road in bright sunshine with nothing else for miles around, and
one of your passengers keeps yammering on about driving over a cliff,
and you ask, "What bloody cliff?", and he says, "Look, according to
this 2,000 year old prophecy by this ancient mystic there's a cliff
around here, and you're driving over it", you'd think he was fucking
nuts, wouldn't you?
I want to die quietly, in my sleep, just like grandpa did.
Not screaming and yelling like the others in the car he drove off the cliff.
or maybe "*that* cliff."
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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26 Mar 2005 07:57:51 PM |
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Randy Story wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
Then, let us "go over the cliff". It's called living YOUR lives, not
ours. Please let us "drive off the cliff". Thanks.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
27 Mar 2005 06:43:43 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:57:51 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Randy Story wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
Then, let us "go over the cliff". It's called living YOUR lives, not
ours. Please let us "drive off the cliff". Thanks.
The moron uses the standard stupid cliff analogy - yet the cliff and
cars are invisible and undetectable.
All he has to do is establish that they are real - before insisting on
"helping" us.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: How does one go about telling Christians to go away? |
29 Mar 2005 01:50:41 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:43:43 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:57:51 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Randy Story wrote:
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:OPGdnSuC1YdnctjfRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
Christians come to this newsgroup proclaiming God and prayers. When we
tell them to go away, these Christians say that they're "trying to help
us".
This message is mainly to Christians, but others can respond, too:
Christians, if we do not want your help, what is the polite way of
telling you to stop? Atheists do not want the kind of "help" that
Christians think they can provide because atheists are not in need of
any "help". There is nothing for atheists to be "cured" of.
Christians, what can we say to you to make you stop trying to "help" us?
Nothing, if you saw that cars were racing over a cliff even if they were
doing so by their own ignorance & blindness to the facts, wouldnt you at
least try to warn them. If you loved them you would no matter how hard they
tried to tell you it wont happen to them or how many times they laughed in
your face..
Then, let us "go over the cliff". It's called living YOUR lives, not
ours. Please let us "drive off the cliff". Thanks.
The moron uses the standard stupid cliff analogy - yet the cliff and
cars are invisible and undetectable.
All he has to do is establish that they are real - before insisting on
"helping" us.
His long established track record of ignorance, cowardice, deceit,
contempt, inhumanity, and others works against him.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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