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Religions > Atheism |
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"Jabriol" |
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18 Mar 2005 05:49:00 AM |
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HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
18 Mar 2005 06:52:53 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 03:49:00 -0800 in alt.atheism, Jabriol ("Jabriol"
<jabriolusenet@gmail.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
While a lot of that is social rather than technological, I was quite
amazed to discover the polio vaccine didn't happen until the middle to
late 50s.
And I have to observe that my mother was born in 1935, and my
grandmother in 1912. which leads me to certain suppositions about
marrying young.
--
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Uncle Wobbly" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
18 Mar 2005 09:38:01 AM |
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"Jabriol" <jabriolusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111146540.296822.252990@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
<snipped inane shite>
Grandma is 58
so when does the blowing start? Is Grandma going to blow me ? :o)
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| User: "Nvok" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
18 Mar 2005 07:20:48 PM |
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Jabriol wrote:
<snip>
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin,
Yeah, real shame we don't die from bacterial infection any more...
polio shots,
see last comment, edit as seen fit
frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses
So, contact lenses are evil, huh?
, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens.
All against 'God's sacred law', of course...
We were before gay-rights,
Do I need to say it?
<snip>
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
This, I don't get. Penicillin is bad, Biros are bad, contact lenses are bad...
BTW, sorry if something in this post sounds senseless, me very tired...
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
18 Mar 2005 07:23:56 PM |
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N'vok wrote:
Jabriol wrote:
<snip>
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin,
Yeah, real shame we don't die from bacterial infection any more...
polio shots,
see last comment, edit as seen fit
frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses
So, contact lenses are evil, huh?
, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens.
All against 'God's sacred law', of course...
We were before gay-rights,
Do I need to say it?
<snip>
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
This, I don't get. Penicillin is bad, Biros are bad, contact lenses are bad...
BTW, sorry if something in this post sounds senseless, me very tired...
no, I thnk it was the original post which failed to make any point
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? Older than frozen peas? |
18 Mar 2005 09:19:22 AM |
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Jabriol wrote:
How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
If she is telling the truth about the things she was born before, she is
at least 131 years old, therefore you are lying.
If she is only 58 years old, then she is lying about the things she was
born before. Quoting her without checking the statement for consistency
or accuracy makes you a liar.
If she doesn't exist, which, in order for all the things you said about
her to be true, she cannot, you are lying about her existing.
Jabriol, you are a liar and a dickbrained fuckwit. Before you post
again, get an education and learn to be honest.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
18 Mar 2005 06:08:53 AM |
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Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
Depends on how you define "wrong"?
How are "penicillin", "polio shots", "contact lenses", "Frisbees",
"laser beams", "air conditioners", "gay-rigths", "FM radios", "tape
decks", "CDs", "electric typewriters", "yogurt", "guys wearing
earrings", "Pizza Hut", "McDonald's", "instant coffee", "rock music",
"chip", "hardware" and "software" bad things?
I'm not attacking your grandmother, but she's glossing over a lot of
"bad" stuff from that day.
World War II, the Korean War, blacks were being denied the right to
vote, Vietnam War, Cold War begins, riots in Alcatraz, and Tupperware.
(Sorry, I just had to throw that last one in.)
I could find more, but I'm tired and need to sleep.
Yes, there are bad things going on today, but there were "bad things"
going on in 1946, too. Don't gloss over the fact that the *ATOMIC BOMB*
was first tested in 1946.
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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19 Mar 2005 07:51:59 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
Depends on how you define "wrong"?
How are "penicillin", "polio shots", "contact lenses", "Frisbees",
"laser beams", "air conditioners", "gay-rigths", "FM radios", "tape
decks", "CDs", "electric typewriters", "yogurt", "guys wearing
earrings", "Pizza Hut", "McDonald's", "instant coffee", "rock music",
"chip", "hardware" and "software" bad things?
I'm not attacking your grandmother, but she's glossing over a lot of
"bad" stuff from that day.
World War II, the Korean War, blacks were being denied the right to
vote, Vietnam War, Cold War begins, riots in Alcatraz, and Tupperware.
(Sorry, I just had to throw that last one in.)
I could find more, but I'm tired and need to sleep.
Yes, there are bad things going on today, but there were "bad things"
going on in 1946, too. Don't gloss over the fact that the *ATOMIC BOMB*
was first tested in 1946.
1945 actually..... but you are tired :)
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Olrik" |
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18 Mar 2005 11:03:28 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
Depends on how you define "wrong"?
How are "penicillin", "polio shots", "contact lenses", "Frisbees",
"laser beams", "air conditioners", "gay-rigths", "FM radios", "tape
decks", "CDs", "electric typewriters", "yogurt", "guys wearing
earrings", "Pizza Hut", "McDonald's", "instant coffee", "rock music",
"chip", "hardware" and "software" bad things?
I'm not attacking your grandmother, but she's glossing over a lot of
"bad" stuff from that day.
World War II, the Korean War, blacks were being denied the right to
vote, Vietnam War, Cold War begins, riots in Alcatraz, and Tupperware.
(Sorry, I just had to throw that last one in.)
I could find more, but I'm tired and need to sleep.
Yes, there are bad things going on today, but there were "bad things"
going on in 1946, too. Don't gloss over the fact that the *ATOMIC BOMB*
was first tested in 1946.
You do need sleep, man!
Atomic bombs were dropped on Japan in August, 1945. The first hydrogen
bomb was detonated in November, 1952.
But the rest of your post was right on the money.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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18 Mar 2005 11:13:00 PM |
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Olrik wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
Depends on how you define "wrong"?
How are "penicillin", "polio shots", "contact lenses", "Frisbees",
"laser beams", "air conditioners", "gay-rigths", "FM radios", "tape
decks", "CDs", "electric typewriters", "yogurt", "guys wearing
earrings", "Pizza Hut", "McDonald's", "instant coffee", "rock music",
"chip", "hardware" and "software" bad things?
I'm not attacking your grandmother, but she's glossing over a lot of
"bad" stuff from that day.
World War II, the Korean War, blacks were being denied the right to
vote, Vietnam War, Cold War begins, riots in Alcatraz, and Tupperware.
(Sorry, I just had to throw that last one in.)
I could find more, but I'm tired and need to sleep.
Yes, there are bad things going on today, but there were "bad things"
going on in 1946, too. Don't gloss over the fact that the *ATOMIC
BOMB* was first tested in 1946.
You do need sleep, man!
Atomic bombs were dropped on Japan in August, 1945. The first hydrogen
bomb was detonated in November, 1952.
But the rest of your post was right on the money.
Oy, Olnik, you're right. I retract that portion of my statement. My
apologies. Shows what one gets for posting on 3 hours of sleep, eh?
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18 Mar 2005 09:47:35 AM |
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Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
More sensibly, isn't it amazing how far we have come
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18 Mar 2005 11:08:26 PM |
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Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
So leave your computer and the internet alone, you idiot.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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19 Mar 2005 04:26:56 PM |
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Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools,
That whats???
~Iain
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19 Mar 2005 04:56:50 PM |
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Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television
BBC One has been broadcasting since 1936 and television was invented in
the mid-twenties.
, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill.
These, are good, right?
There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens.
These are generally okay, right?
Man had not invented pantyhose,
Ok.
air conditioners,
What??? Not before 1946??? Well there were the likes of adjustable fans
in airducts. Depends where you draw the line.
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon.
True.
Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a
father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"-
-
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir."
Maybe your grandmother but not all girls. Many did then, many didn't.
Many still do.
We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy.
And all these things are, what? Evil?
Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments,
What about morality?
good judgment, and common sense.
Good judgement and common sense were hardly tradmark characteristics of
forties U.S.A.
We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food
was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks,
Wrong about tape decks.
CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt,
You had yogurt or sorts.
or guys wearing earrings.
This I really must object to. Men wearing earrings is a very old
fashioned idea. It was especially big in the early nineteenth century.
We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent
stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your
nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy
a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock
music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece
of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that
a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old
and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is???
250, at least.
~Iain
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19 Mar 2005 04:46:22 PM |
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Jabriol wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser
beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather
and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a
father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"-
-
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual
careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the
Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food
was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent
stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your
nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy
a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock
music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece
of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that
a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old
and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
I would rather live now than in 1946.
Besides, television was invented in the mid twenties.
~Iain
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18 Mar 2005 04:57:24 PM |
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Jabriol wrote:
Who did grandma vote for?
***********************************************************
The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
***********************************************************
Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved to the far right,
taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have fully
supported thr GOP as it has moved right to gain support of
christian right wingers. This started when Noxn
play the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners.
So we now have had a essentially a christian GOP government
for 30 years.
Under Nixon:
Christian Americans supported incompetent and corrupt
Vietnamese politicians. And a senseless war in Vietnam
that accomplished nothing.
Instigated awful and murderous policies as the Phoenix
program.
Supported the secret bombings in Cambodia that killed
hundreds of thousands of innocent Cambodians.
Winked at the invasion of West Timur and parts of New
Guinea by our allies, the Indonesions.
The Indonesionas killed 1/4 of the Timurese over several
decades, mass murder, genocide. 2 million dead.
Winked at the Greek far right Junta that overthrew the
Greek government.
Supported the murderous far right Brazilian generals who
overthrew that democratically elected government.
Supported the mass murdering Argentinian government and
their terroristic "Dirty War" of torture, mass murder
and disappearances.
Supported the murderous Pinochet of Chile.
No Christians respected life here. Or freedom. But supported
Nixon heartily despite the horrors we commited in Vietnam
and Cambodia and Chile and winked at support for others
mentioned above.
Reagan.
Reagan lead the GOP in support for military aid to the
genocidal Rios Montt of Guatemala, who practiced wholesale
torture, rape and genocide on the Mayan Indians of Guatemala.
Reagan and the GOP supported the mass murdering ex-Somoza
Guards of Nicaragua.
Reagan and the GOP supported Saddam Hussein of Iraq.
Reagan and the GOP supported the murderous Robert
D'Aubisson of El Salavador, a known far right death
squad leader.
The El Salvadoran government was involved in numerous
murders, and massacres, such as the killing of 400
villagers at a small village called El Mezote, most
of them young women and children.
Reagan and the GOP supported Noriega of Panama.
Reagan and the GOP happily supported Pol Pot's claim
to be the rightful government of Cambodia despite the
genocide committed by the insane Pol Pot's Khmer Regime.
Reagan and the GOP supported a number of murdering
far right extremist guerrilla movements in Africa including
the genocidal Frelimo in Mozambique.
The Christian and religous right heavily supported Reagan
and the GOP despite numerous examples of such evils as
listed above.The leader of the religous right never cared
nor complained, neither did the religous leaders of the
main stream christian denominations.
There was and is no respect for life in American
christianity as these wholesale and repeat failures of
America christianity collectively over 20 years shows.
Then we had Bush.
Bush continued support for the evil dictators above,
including Pinochet, Pol Pot and others. However,
Saddam screwed us and invaded Iraq, mainly because
Bush screwed up and did not warn him to not do so.
Bush did not act in case of genocide my Jugoslavia's
Milosevic, and Bush and the GOP's loud and obnoxious
footdragging here allowed Milosevic to kill
hundreds of thousands with near impunity.
The leaders of the GOP, House and Senate, and religous
leaders of the right and mainstream denominations never
cared about any of this.
In the Desert Storm war, Bush allowed the US air
force to bomb Iraq's water and sewer systems.
A war crime.
They placed sanctions on Iraq that made it impossible
to keep their water supplies safe resulting in numerous
deaths that eventually would total over 2 million dead
Iraqi civilians, mostly children.
Our government coldly calculated that these sanctions would
indeed would cause mass epidemics and mass death, and did
it anyway.
Thomas Nagy, a California colege professor used the FOIA
statutes to obtain these documents that were published
in September 2001 in the Progressive Magazine.
www.progressivemagazine.com
No Christian leaders of either far right or mainstream
cared nor brought Bush and the GOP leadership of House
and Senate to task for this genocide of innocents.
Clinton:
Under Clinton this policy continued. Again, Christians did
not care. All Christians cared about was Clintons
don't-ask-don't-tell gays in military policy and Clinton's
sex life and Whitewater.
$47 million spent investigating whitewater while the Christian
right roared with naked hate. Money spent investigation mass
murder in Iraq caused by our purposeful by our sanctions?
$0.
Roars of disaprovable from Christian America over these mass
murders?
None.
What has 30 years or right winged GOP government and right
winger christianity got us? Mass murder, genocide,
Nothing but callousness, disregard for human life,
mass moral failure of religion, Christianity and
the american right.
Not once did religous christian Americans, either
leadership or rank and file ever find any of these
evils unacceptable or punish any who supported any
of this.
Most GOP House and Senate members were people who
did these things claimed to be christians. Not a one
cares, not a christian cares they did not care or act.
30 years of failure. 30 years of support for
far right genocidal bastards, mass murderers,
and evil.
Total christian failure.
Total lack of any real morality at all
in American christianity.
Christians posture as moral, American christians have
a very bad track records when it comes to morality, they
will happily support any genocdial monster as long as he's
a right winger, and right winger politicians support
that monster no matter how murderous or genocidal he
and his evil regime is.
(End)
Cheerful Charlie
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18 Mar 2005 07:13:25 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:113mn44l7j8v0fd@corp.supernews.com...
Jabriol wrote:
Who did grandma vote for?
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The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
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Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved to the far right,
taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have fully
supported thr GOP as it has moved right to gain support of
christian right wingers. This started when Noxn
play the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners.
=========================
Lets not forget what the good Christians did to the American Indians and the
Eskimos.
--
CR...
All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any towns
pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in suit
pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952 vintage.....
and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be bored
to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and eating
a vegetarian diet.
They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
dinner..... (Carol)
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19 Mar 2005 10:41:16 AM |
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RozenKrans wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:113mn44l7j8v0fd@corp.supernews.com...
Jabriol wrote:
Who did grandma vote for?
***********************************************************
The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
***********************************************************
Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved to the far right,
taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have fully
supported thr GOP as it has moved right to gain support of
christian right wingers. This started when Noxn
play the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners.
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Lets not forget what the good Christians did to the American Indians and
the Eskimos.
True. You will note my long list is of atrocities supported
starting with Nixon up to date.
The reason is, I see all too many xians spitting and hissing
about Stalin and Atheists.
Stalin's murderous war against the Kulaks that killed millions
was not supported by Atheists world wide, most certainly not
American Atheists.
Others do bring up Christian atrocities, Indians and crusades
and heresy hunts and religous wars et al.
Christians say that indeed was long ago and they would not
have supported such.
Fair enough, then don't label Atheists as supporters of what
Stalin did 70 years ago,.
But, look what Christians have been supporting in recent years to
date, with a religious president that lied us into a war and
lies everytime he opens his ugly mouth.
Which is teh point of my list. Christians with their big
claims to be moral, have not been over the years starting
with the miserable Nixon.
And Reagan abnd Bush made christuiian voters a bigpart of
theri political plans to get relected and turn America right.
Which was successful despite a long list of support for
genocidal murdering bastartds from Pol Pot to Rioss Montt.
And the same bastards that his "Atheism - Stalin!"
will happily vote for bastards that supported Pol Pot!
I no longer plan to allow the hissing supporters of genocidal
bastards like Pol Pot, Montt of Guatemala, Pinochet and a
nation who's leaders killed 2 millions of Iraqi civilians,
mostly children get away with that sort of crap, slandering
Atheists for something we did not support and do not condone.
And which in Stalin's case was an economic policy, t force
collectivization on the farmers of Russia, not a religous
doctrine.
American Atheists did not support Stalin's murders, but
America christians most certainly have supported a long
string of murderers and thugs without complain starting
with Nixon, to this date.
And THAT is the point.
I don't have to go back to the days of slavery,
indian massacres, manifest destiny and such horrors.
It give the crapheads too much room to wriggle
out of blame for such. "That was a long time ago
and no Christain today would support that!"
Oh yeah, look who you have been supporting in our
lifetimes and what you all supported, happily, every
election, at the voting booth with vigor.
and those politicians who supported such horrors still
squat, unpunished, grinning and supporting a lying presdient,
in Washington DC to this day. No Christians cares about
their support for a long string of genocdial maniacs.
That is the point.
And I plan to wail on this theme anythime some ***** far
right christian schlub starts this "Atheism - Stalin!" crap.
Bush, war criminal and murderer of 2 million Iraq innocents.
I mean, after is this really any different from Stalin's
casual brutality in any way?
--
Cheerful Charlie
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19 Mar 2005 11:08:35 AM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:113olepc9qp494@corp.supernews.com...
RozenKrans wrote:
Bush, war criminal and murderer of 2 million Iraq innocents.
I mean, after is this really any different from Stalin's
casual brutality in any way?
===========================
And it all proves the point of just how dangerous religions can be, and
are..... nuff said!
--
RC....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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The best defense to logic is ignorance.
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19 Mar 2005 04:24:49 PM |
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RozenKrans wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:113olepc9qp494@corp.supernews.com...
RozenKrans wrote:
Bush, war criminal and murderer of 2 million Iraq innocents.
I mean, after is this really any different from Stalin's
casual brutality in any way?
===========================
And it all proves the point of just how dangerous religions can be, and
are..... nuff said!
It does, but more so, it proves being a christian
does not automatically make one a moral person.
You have to walk that walk, not just talk the talk.
You have to be moral enough to notice what goes on around
you and act to be considered moral.
How can all these christians have not seen these evils
for what they were for 30 years and either kept voting
for the GOP or not showing up atthe polls?
But where were the religous leaders?
The other sobering thing to notice here is, the main stream
religious denominations, Episcopleans, RCC, Methodists
and others did not speak out when it was time to speak out.
There is no leadership here, no moral nor political leadership.
They abandoned it all to the leaders of the extreme christian right.
So its not juts a past failure but an ongoing. conmtnuing
failure. How can you trust Christianity if you know thuis
is how it works in teh real world?
The problem is, you have to draw the line at evil early
and sternly. Or as you slide down the slope to great evil,
its too late.
As Christian leaders in Nazi Germany found out
Which is one reason mainstream churches are losing membership.
They are irrelevant, they have no passion, they do not lead.
The Jabriols of the world don't care even when you cast these
failures in their ranting faces.
They lack real morality, they are playing right winger
religious games. Nor do the Bushes, the Rumsfelds, the
Rices of the world care when you call them of their religious
posturing.
The question is, how far can this slide into real, heavy
duty, large scale evil before people wake up?
--
Cheerful Charlie
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19 Mar 2005 05:25:26 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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RozenKrans wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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RozenKrans wrote:
Bush, war criminal and murderer of 2 million Iraq innocents.
I mean, after is this really any different from Stalin's
casual brutality in any way?
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And it all proves the point of just how dangerous religions can be, and
are..... nuff said!
It does, but more so, it proves being a christian
does not automatically make one a moral person.
## We can SEE that just from reading these religious newsgroups.
You have to walk that walk, not just talk the talk.
You have to be moral enough to notice what goes on around
you and act to be considered moral.
How can all these christians have not seen these evils
for what they were for 30 years and either kept voting
for the GOP or not showing up atthe polls?
## 99.9% of Christians are hypocrites - they're Christians in name only.
What the bible teaches them applies to OTHERS, never to THEM.
But where were the religous leaders?
The other sobering thing to notice here is, the main stream
religious denominations, Episcopleans, RCC, Methodists
and others did not speak out when it was time to speak out.
There is no leadership here, no moral nor political leadership.
They abandoned it all to the leaders of the extreme christian right.
So its not juts a past failure but an ongoing. conmtnuing
failure. How can you trust Christianity if you know thuis
is how it works in teh real world?
## You don't trust them. What's to trust? You can call a stinkweed a rose,
you can call it a lily - but it's still a STINKWEED!
The problem is, you have to draw the line at evil early
and sternly. Or as you slide down the slope to great evil,
its too late.
As Christian leaders in Nazi Germany found out
## Keeping in mind Hitler considered himself a good Christian. He was doing
god's work by exterminating all those non Christians and the disabled.
Which is one reason mainstream churches are losing membership.
They are irrelevant, they have no passion, they do not lead.
## I agree......
The Jabriols of the world don't care even when you cast these
failures in their ranting faces.
They lack real morality, they are playing right winger
religious games. Nor do the Bushes, the Rumsfelds, the
Rices of the world care when you call them of their religious
posturing.
The question is, how far can this slide into real, heavy
duty, large scale evil before people wake up?
## No ones knows the answer to that one.......
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RC......
What the world needs is not dogma but an attitude of scientific
inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is
not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined
in the likeness of the believer. ~ Bertrand Russell ~
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
19 Mar 2005 11:20:12 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:41:16 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
RozenKrans wrote:
"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Jabriol wrote:
Who did grandma vote for?
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The Failure of Christianity in America
W. C . Barwell 3-8-05
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Since Nixon, this nation has rapidly moved to the far right,
taken there mainly by christian right wingers who have fully
supported thr GOP as it has moved right to gain support of
christian right wingers. This started when Noxn
play the racist Southern Strategy card building on civil
rights era resentments by far right Southerners.
=========================
Lets not forget what the good Christians did to the American Indians and
the Eskimos.
True. You will note my long list is of atrocities supported
starting with Nixon up to date.
The reason is, I see all too many xians spitting and hissing
about Stalin and Atheists.
Stalin's murderous war against the Kulaks that killed millions
was not supported by Atheists world wide, most certainly not
American Atheists.
The morons don't understand that not believing their deity can't
maotivate anything any more their own not believingin Santa Claus
does.
Others do bring up Christian atrocities, Indians and crusades
and heresy hunts and religous wars et al.
Christians say that indeed was long ago and they would not
have supported such.
Too many are indenial over their own church history.
Fair enough, then don't label Atheists as supporters of what
Stalin did 70 years ago,.
But, look what Christians have been supporting in recent years to
date, with a religious president that lied us into a war and
lies everytime he opens his ugly mouth.
Which is teh point of my list. Christians with their big
claims to be moral, have not been over the years starting
with the miserable Nixon.
They're not.
When they claim that their religion gives them moral superiority it is
a legitimate refutation to point out atrocities committed by
Christians.
For some reason they imagine atrocities committed by atheists (even if
they weren't atheist) somehow counters this.
It doesn't because:
- atheism isn't an organised ideology like religion is, it is
individuals who doen't happen to believe in any deity
- it makes no claims whatsoever, let alone of any moral high ground
- it neither motivates nor justifies anything at all.
- you have to look for what somebody is, not what they aren't, What
their ideologies, movtivators etc are.
- if the Christians were right, atrocities by Christians simply
wouldn't happen
- playing the "your group's atrocities are worse than ours" game is a
dishonest red herring to divert from their own
- especially when no atheist does anything "because he is atheist"
And Reagan abnd Bush made christuiian voters a bigpart of
theri political plans to get relected and turn America right.
Reagan didn't deliver. Which is why they took over the Republican
Party from the grass roots upwards.
Which was successful despite a long list of support for
genocidal murdering bastartds from Pol Pot to Rioss Montt.
And the same bastards that his "Atheism - Stalin!"
will happily vote for bastards that supported Pol Pot!
Eactly. We supported and encouraged Pol Pot against.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
18 Mar 2005 08:05:11 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 03:49:00 -0800, "Jabriol" <jabriolusenet@gmail.com>
wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
Know whatcha mean -- back in the good ol' days women and niggers knew
their place and stayed there. Wife beating and child molestation was
simply ignored. It is just so wrong that women and children and
blacks are now protected as if they were as good as white anglo-saxon
protestant males.
By the way, your spiel is inaccurate in may places -- ball point pens
were sold in 1945, Nescafe marketed instant coffee in 1938, the
modern air conditioner dates back to 1909. Some 1/4 to 1/3 of all
brides have been pregnant at the altar since colonial times (which is
why many "premature" births occured.) Not every family had a mother
and father.
You might want to inform whomever you got that crap from that is it
crap.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: HOW OLD IS GRANDMA? |
18 Mar 2005 10:48:59 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 03:49:00 -0800, "Jabriol" <jabriolusenet@gmail.com>
wrote:
Stay with this -- the answer is at the end -- it will blow you away.
One evening, a grandson was talking to his grandmother about current
events. The grandson asked his grandmother what she thought about the
shootings at schools, the computer age, and just things in general.
The Grandma replied, "Well, let me think a minute, I was born before
television, penicillin, polio shots, frozen foods, Xerox, contact
lenses, Frisbees and the pill. There were no credit cards, laser beams
or ball-point pens. Man had not invented pantyhose, air conditioners,
dishwashers, clothes dryers, and the clothes were hung out to dry in
the fresh air and man had yet to walk on the moon. Your Grandfather and
I got married first and then lived together. Every family had a father
and a mother. Until I was 25, I called every man older than I, "Sir"- -
and after I turned 25, I still called policemen and every man with a
title, "Sir." We were before gay-rights, computer-dating, dual careers,
day-care centers, and group therapy. Our lives were governed by the Ten
Commandments, good judgment, and common sense. We were taught to know
the difference between right and wrong and to stand up and take
responsibility for our actions. Serving your country was a privilege;
living in this country was a bigger privilege. We thought fast food was
what people ate during
As it happens I was born in 1943 just three years after grandma.
TV had been invented and broadcast by then.
Penicillin had been discovered
Frozen food - the eskimos used frozen food
Group therapy was common before the war
We had fast food, it was called "Fish and Chips"
Mother has an automatic washing machine
We had an indoor toilet too (the only one of two on
the street)
Of course I was not aware of society until I was about 10 so
my youth was in the late fifties and sixties. Homosexualty
was legalised, We were not brought up under the ten commandments,
man walked on the moon in the sixties and has hardly been back
since, the biro arrived then. Computers were first used during the
war and the atomic bomb had already been used by the USA and
to threaten the soviet union causing the cold war. . I do not ever
remember calling a Policeman 'sir'. Living in this country was normal,
being British was special. Thank goodness we are no longer
Xenophobic and respect the people of other nations as equal.
Lent. Having a meaningful relationship meant getting along with your
cousins. Draft dodgers were people who closed their front doors when
the evening breeze started. Time-sharing meant time the family spent
together in the evenings and weekends -- not purchasing condominiums.
We never heard of FM radios, tape decks, CDs, electric typewriters,
yogurt, or guys wearing earrings. We listened to the Big Bands, Jack
Benny, and the President's speeches on our radios. And I don't ever
remember any kid blowing his brains out listening to Tommy Dorsey. If
you saw anything with 'Made in Japan' on it, it was junk. The term
'making out' referred to how you did on your school exam. Pizza Hut,
McDonald's, and instant coffee were unheard of. We had 5&10-cent stores
where you could actually buy things for 5 and 10 cents. Ice-cream
cones, phone calls, rides on a streetcar, and a Pepsi were all a
nickel. And if you didn't want to splurge, you could spend your nickel
on enough stamps to mail one letter and two postcards. You could buy a
new Chevy Coupe for $600, but who could afford one? Too bad because,
gas was 11 cents a gallon. In my day, "grass" was mowed, "coke" was a
cold drink, "pot" was something your mother cooked in, and "rock music"
was your grandmother's lullaby.
"Aids" were helpers in the Principal's office, "chip" meant a piece of
wood, "hardware" was found in a hardware store and software "wasn't
even a word. And we were the last generation to actually believe that a
lady needed a husband to have a baby. No wonder people call us "old and
confused" and say there is a generation gap.
And how old do you think grandma is??? Read on to see -- pretty scary
if you think about it and pretty sad at the same time. This is
something to think about. How time has changed... Grandma is 58 (born
1946)
As mentioned above I was born in 1943 and I am sure there are
older posters here.
How could so much go wrong in such a short time?
Same reasons things went wrong before. Religion, misunderstanding,
human error, human injustice, greed and so on. Before 1946 we
had two of the most devastating world wars in history, up until then
and since. Before that was the Franco-prussian war, the Boar war
the Napoleonic wars and so on. Half the world was being exploited
by the west, poverty was endemic and nobody cared. The wealthy
ruthlessly expoited the poor but never missed church on Sunday.
Education was poor and public health and provision was practically
non-existant. Things are far better know. We are now
aware of poverty, thanks to TV and at least are trying to alleviate
it.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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