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Religions > Atheism |
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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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14 Feb 2007 07:37:13 AM |
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How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1744267/posts
Tradition Matters (The Left abandoned civilization)
National Review ^ | November 24, 2006 | Jonah Goldberg
Posted on 11/26/2006 2:02:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
In his brilliant essay "The Great Relearning," Tom Wolfe recounts a
"curious footnote to the hippie movement." In 1968, at the Haight-
Ashbury Free Clinic, doctors found themselves treating diseases "no
living doctor had ever encountered before, diseases that had
disappeared so long ago they had never even picked up Latin names."
These maladies had such names as the mange, the grunge, the itch, the
twitch, the thrush, the rot.
These afflictions materialized because those hippie pilgrims believed
the Man had nothing to teach them, so they turned their backs on
"bourgeois" morality, a category of knowledge that included this thing
called "hygiene." So they enjoyed communal toothbrushes, communal
sheets, communal sex, communal bathwater and communal, like, whatever.
Living like Rousseau's noble savages brought back the twitch, the
thrush and the rot because it was a grand lie that savagery was ever
noble in the first place, and because a lot of that stuff your
grandmother taught you about everything from washing your hands to not
sleeping around actually had practical relevance.
Wolfe's essay has practical relevance, too. The recent elections are
being interpreted - accurately or not - as a repudiation of religious
conservatism. Obviously, this topic can't be settled here - or
anywhere. But as it's Thanksgiving, there's a basic point worth
making: Tradition matters. It matters whether you believe in God or
whether you agree with that esteemed theologian Elton John, who
recently called for a ban on religion because religion, according to
Sir Elton, is bad for gay people.
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says not
to." The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Those hippies got the itch and twitch because they rejected what their
parents taught them. They believed that we could act as if this was
Year Zero and the world could be reinvented and reimagined from
scratch. It's inconceivable that their parents knew what the exact
consequences of rejecting traditional morality would be, but they knew
on a dogmatic level that it was a bad idea.
Traditional rules of conduct emerge over time through a process of
trial and error. To pick an extreme example, the Shakers banned sex
and - surprise! - America is not overrun with Shakers today.
Successful societies learn from their mistakes in time to make
adjustments. Those adjustments become best practices that in turn
become customs, and eventually, those customs become traditions. Those
traditions are passed along from generation to generation, usually
without us knowing all the reasons why they became traditions in the
first place.
Obviously, some of these traditions are outdated and silly. Others are
vital. Even leftists and libertarians who display ritualized contempt
for tradition understand that we do some things today because we've
learned from the mistakes of our forefathers. If everything is open to
revision, then slavery is still a viable option.
Fundamentally, this isn't a point about political conservatism so much
as civilization itself. Cultures have roots - a point we're learning
the hard way in Iraq, where there is no liberal democratic tradition
and we are trying to create one from scratch.
Take Madonna (please). The aging pop star has been in the news lately
because she wants to share her undoubtedly extensive parenting skills
with a child from Malawi. In the 1980s, Madonna was a pioneer of
slattern chic - a hip whorishness that championed doing whatever
floated your boat so long as it expressed your authentic sexuality or
some similar drivel. "Moralizers" claimed she was a bad role model.
The usual suspects clucked at such Comstockery.
Then, in the '90s, Madonna grew weary of shaking her moneymaker for
cash and reinvented herself as a dedicated mother, embarrassed by the
excesses of her youth. This was an easy transition for a
multimillionaire with an entourage so enormous she could brag that she
never changed a diaper. But her change of heart did little good for
the kids from the '80s who took her "papa don't preach" nonsense
seriously. Madonna could afford to learn from her mistakes at the
expense of those who couldn't. That she now agrees, to some extent,
with the moralists is cold comfort to those who subscribed to slattern
chic when young and learned too late that Madonna was a con artist.
In this season of giving thanks, we should thank God for our good
fortune. But we also owe a deep debt of gratitude to the papas - and
mamas - who preached from one generation to the next.
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25 Mar 2007 03:15:59 PM |
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On 25 Mar 2007 19:27:21 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Now about those "equal rights" you so babble about? What are they that
are being denied?
Be specific. Use as much whitespace as necessary.
The rights of marriage, idiot.
Marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman.
That is, of course, a complete lie. Again you insist that YOUR
definition should be imposed upon everybody, thus denying gays their
right to equal treatment.
No..its the complete truth.
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
--
Ray Fischer
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
Your agenda and diversions are noted and laughed at.
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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25 Mar 2007 03:57:36 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 25 Mar 2007 19:27:21 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Now about those "equal rights" you so babble about? What are they that
are being denied?
Be specific. Use as much whitespace as necessary.
The rights of marriage, idiot.
Marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman.
That is, of course, a complete lie. Again you insist that YOUR
definition should be imposed upon everybody, thus denying gays their
right to equal treatment.
No..its the complete truth.
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Your agenda and diversions are noted and laughed at.
Political Correctness
Yours.
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
--
Ray Fischer
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25 Mar 2007 07:47:37 PM |
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On 25 Mar 2007 20:57:36 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Polygamy is illegal, unfortunately
Gay marriage is provisionally legal in (1) state..at the moment and its
being challenged. In fact..it was overturned in another not recently. By
the courts of a Blue State. Hardly a conservative court.
Your agenda and diversions are noted and laughed at.
Political Correctness
Your right.
Thank you.
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
Boy howdy..you really are ***** you cant marry your gay lover and
the pony. Fascinating.
--
Ray Fischer, total wanker at large.
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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25 Mar 2007 08:37:25 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Polygamy is illegal, unfortunately
Wouldn't make any difference to you.
Gay marriage is provisionally legal in (1) state..at the moment and its
being challenged.
Just as it's being challenged in states where it's illegal.
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
Boy howdy..you really are ***** you cant marry your gay lover and
You are so scared of all the fags that you need the police and
military to protect you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gunner" |
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26 Mar 2007 03:05:52 AM |
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On 26 Mar 2007 01:37:25 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Polygamy is illegal, unfortunately
Wouldn't make any difference to you.
Whys that? I lived in a triple for well over 5 yrs.
I loved both women well enough to marry them.
Gay marriage is provisionally legal in (1) state..at the moment and its
being challenged.
Just as it's being challenged in states where it's illegal.
So you are admitting its illegal and not customary? Hence no "rights"
are involved.
Thank you for playing. You can pick up your consolation prize on your
way out and please use the door marked "Losers"
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
Boy howdy..you really are ***** you cant marry your gay lover and
You are so scared of all the fags that you need the police and
military to protect you.
Really? My gay friends dont think so.
But hey..if you are intimidated by your sexuality..seek out a mental
health professional
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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26 Mar 2007 07:47:28 AM |
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Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
On 26-Mar-2007, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 01:37:25 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided
male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Polygamy is illegal, unfortunately
Wouldn't make any difference to you.
Whys that? I lived in a triple for well over 5 yrs.
I loved both women well enough to marry them.
Gay marriage is provisionally legal in (1) state..at the moment and its
being challenged.
Just as it's being challenged in states where it's illegal.
So you are admitting its illegal and not customary? Hence no "rights"
are involved.
Thank you for playing. You can pick up your consolation prize on your
way out and please use the door marked "Losers"
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
Boy howdy..you really are ***** you cant marry your gay lover and
You are so scared of all the fags that you need the police and
military to protect you.
Really? My gay friends dont think so.
But hey..if you are intimidated by your sexuality..seek out a mental
health professional
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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26 Mar 2007 12:53:16 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
On 26-Mar-2007, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 01:37:25 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided
male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Polygamy is illegal, unfortunately
Wouldn't make any difference to you.
Whys that? I lived in a triple for well over 5 yrs.
I loved both women well enough to marry them.
Gay marriage is provisionally legal in (1) state..at the moment and its
being challenged.
Just as it's being challenged in states where it's illegal.
So you are admitting its illegal and not customary? Hence no "rights"
are involved.
Thank you for playing. You can pick up your consolation prize on your
way out and please use the door marked "Losers"
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
Boy howdy..you really are ***** you cant marry your gay lover and
You are so scared of all the fags that you need the police and
military to protect you.
Really? My gay friends dont think so.
But hey..if you are intimidated by your sexuality..seek out a mental
health professional
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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26 Mar 2007 06:34:43 PM |
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On 26-Mar-2007, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt
to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
I suppose I am just disappointed because I had seen a
number of posts that struck me as informed/responsible,
what-have-you.
Susan
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| User: "Gunner" |
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26 Mar 2007 10:48:42 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:34:43 GMT, wrote:
On 26-Mar-2007, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt
to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
I suppose I am just disappointed because I had seen a
number of posts that struck me as informed/responsible,
what-have-you.
Susan
You are just pissed cause you wound up sleeping in the wetspot.
My turn next time.
Shrug
Gunner
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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| User: "Gunner" |
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26 Mar 2007 01:59:30 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Gunner Asch
On 26-Mar-2007, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 01:37:25 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided
male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Polygamy is illegal, unfortunately
Wouldn't make any difference to you.
Whys that? I lived in a triple for well over 5 yrs.
I loved both women well enough to marry them.
Gay marriage is provisionally legal in (1) state..at the moment and its
being challenged.
Just as it's being challenged in states where it's illegal.
So you are admitting its illegal and not customary? Hence no "rights"
are involved.
Thank you for playing. You can pick up your consolation prize on your
way out and please use the door marked "Losers"
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
Boy howdy..you really are ***** you cant marry your gay lover and
You are so scared of all the fags that you need the police and
military to protect you.
Really? My gay friends dont think so.
But hey..if you are intimidated by your sexuality..seek out a mental
health professional
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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26 Mar 2007 09:59:00 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gunner" |
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26 Mar 2007 10:50:22 PM |
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On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
Another leftard shows his ***** in public, like an unrulely Downs Syndrome
child.
Gunner
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
26 Mar 2007 11:35:23 PM |
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Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
Another leftard shows his ***** in public
Another Retard whines about being stupid.
--
Ray Fischer
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| User: "Gunner" |
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27 Mar 2007 01:05:33 AM |
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On 27 Mar 2007 04:35:23 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
Another leftard shows his ***** in public
Another Leftard whines about being stupid.
Im glad to see you know your limitations.
Gunner
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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27 Mar 2007 01:44:05 AM |
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On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
Since Gunner knows I have him killfiled, yet he still replies to my
posts, perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe he *is* as stupid as he seems.
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| User: "Robert" |
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27 Mar 2007 06:15:56 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:44:05 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
Since Gunner knows I have him killfiled, yet he still replies to my
posts, perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe he *is* as stupid as he seems.
But not as stupid as you, you reply to a poster you claim to have
kill filed. And anyone has the right to respond to your post. After
all if he doesn't defend himself then people will perhaps believe your
lies, about him.
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
27 Mar 2007 04:49:53 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:44:05 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
Since Gunner knows I have him killfiled, yet he still replies to my
posts, perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe he *is* as stupid as he seems.
Kill filed? Im so hurt. I guess your certified letter didnt get to me
announcing your kill filing.
Frankly if this wanker mentioned it..I likely didnt notice. He blends in
with the myrid numbers of utter fuckwits who cross post into
misc.survivalism in some deranged effort to change the way we
survivalists think.
Which only shows that the leftards are incredibly stupid and their egos
massive as blimps. And equally filled with nothing of consequence.
Gunner
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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| User: "Mantar, Feyelno nek dusa" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
27 Mar 2007 03:42:51 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:44:05 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Since Gunner knows I have him killfiled, yet he still replies to my
posts, perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe he *is* as stupid as he seems.
...And then:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:49:53 +0000, Gunner wrote:
Kill filed? Im so hurt. I guess your certified letter didnt get to me
announcing your kill filing.
ROFL!
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
27 Mar 2007 01:45:16 AM |
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On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
Gunner's a joke, and a bad one at that. He's everything that's wrong
about the Right all rolled up into one big, fat, ugly package.
I don't think Gunner is actually anywhere near as stupid as he often
seems, but even people who aren't stupid often believe stupid things,
as our own Fred Stone so convincingly demonstrates.
Snicker...
<PIGGYBACKING>
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
I'll stack my knowledge against yours any day of the week, Skippy.
Oooo! "I know you are but what am I?"
You sure showed them.
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| User: "Gunner" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
27 Mar 2007 04:50:34 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:45:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Snicker...
<PIGGYBACKING>
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
I'll stack my knowledge against yours any day of the week, Skippy.
Thought you had me kill filed, you lying rat *****.
laugh laugh laugh
Gunner
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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| User: "Mantar, Feyelno nek dusa" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
27 Mar 2007 03:48:50 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:50:34 +0000, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:45:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Snicker...
<PIGGYBACKING>
Ignorance like yours transcends stupidity.
I'll stack my knowledge against yours any day of the week, Skippy.
Thought you had me kill filed, you lying rat *****.
I don't believe it, the roffle-meter is over NINE THOUSAND!
(To wit, here's the unsnipped attribution from John Baker's post:)
On 27 Mar 2007 02:59:00 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:53:16 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
<PIGGYBACKING>
Gee, I wonder what that last word means? LOL!
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| User: "Gunner" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
26 Mar 2007 01:07:41 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:47:28 GMT, wrote:
Based on all the gay/poly people I know, this post is a pathetic attempt to
aggrandize himself.
Susan
How so? Be specific. Use as much whitespace as necessary to show the
utter buffoonery you labor in.
On 26-Mar-2007, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 01:37:25 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
No, it is a complete lie. The Catholic church once provided
male-male
marriages. Tree marriage was a Hindu practice. Polygamy is common,
even in the Bible.
Common usage of the last 200 yrs says differently.
So you change your claim. What a surprise. And even in the US
of the past 200 years polygamy was, and is, practised by some.
Even gay marriage exists in some places.
Polygamy is illegal, unfortunately
Wouldn't make any difference to you.
Whys that? I lived in a triple for well over 5 yrs.
I loved both women well enough to marry them.
Gay marriage is provisionally legal in (1) state..at the moment and its
being challenged.
Just as it's being challenged in states where it's illegal.
So you are admitting its illegal and not customary? Hence no "rights"
are involved.
Thank you for playing. You can pick up your consolation prize on your
way out and please use the door marked "Losers"
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
The usual fascist hatred of liberalism and freedom.
Boy howdy..you really are ***** you cant marry your gay lover and
You are so scared of all the fags that you need the police and
military to protect you.
Really? My gay friends dont think so.
But hey..if you are intimidated by your sexuality..seek out a mental
health professional
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
24 Mar 2007 04:01:58 PM |
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On 24 Mar 2007 17:17:59 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
What established Marraige Rights are you refering to? Gays have never
had the Right to Same Sex Marraige.
Q.E.D. You do your best to make gays 2nd class citizens.
Not QED..they never had the right.
Pretty much what the nazis said about the Jews.
ROFLMAO..I know Im winning now that you dragged out the Nazi references.
I know that I've won now that you're citing your own bigotry as proof.
Some Righties can at least be reasoned with. They aren't likely to
change their opinion, but at least they'll allow that the opposition
might have a point once in a while. Then you have the type who can't
be reasoned with, but are at least entertaining. At the bottom of the
scale, you have your Gunners. They not only can't be reasoned with,
they aren't even fun to play with. I don't know why anybody bothers
with the idiot.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
24 Mar 2007 08:10:12 AM |
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:35:55 GMT there was an Ancient Gunner
<gunner@lightspeed.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
What established Marraige Rights are you refering to? Gays have never
had the Right to Same Sex Marraige.
Q.E.D. You do your best to make gays 2nd class citizens.
Not QED..they never had the right. So there is no attempt to make them
anything.
Read the Constitution. Specifically the 14th Amendment.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
26 Mar 2007 01:59:04 AM |
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On 24-Mar-2007, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:35:55 GMT there was an Ancient Gunner
<gunner@lightspeed.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
What established Marraige Rights are you refering to? Gays have never
had the Right to Same Sex Marraige.
Q.E.D. You do your best to make gays 2nd class citizens.
Not QED..they never had the right. So there is no attempt to make them
anything.
Read the Constitution. Specifically the 14th Amendment.
And so because blacks/slaves never had rights before, it would
have been okay to keep them 2nd class citizens, too?
This is assinine.
Susan
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| User: "Gunner" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
26 Mar 2007 03:07:38 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:59:04 GMT, wrote:
On 24-Mar-2007, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:35:55 GMT there was an Ancient Gunner
<gunner@lightspeed.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
What established Marraige Rights are you refering to? Gays have never
had the Right to Same Sex Marraige.
Q.E.D. You do your best to make gays 2nd class citizens.
Not QED..they never had the right. So there is no attempt to make them
anything.
Read the Constitution. Specifically the 14th Amendment.
And so because blacks/slaves never had rights before, it would
have been okay to keep them 2nd class citizens, too?
This is assinine.
Susan
blacks had many rights, including the vote. Slaves didnt.
You do know there were free blacks as well as slaves, correct?
Including black slave holders.
Now about that second class citizens thingy.
Im sorry your cant marry your Fem, but you can be a Civil Union in many
states.
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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| User: "pyotr filipivich" |
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| Title: Re: The Mark of the Hildabeast..... |
26 Mar 2007 04:26:22 PM |
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Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote
on Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:07:38 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:59:04 GMT, wrote:
On 24-Mar-2007, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:35:55 GMT there was an Ancient Gunner
<gunner@lightspeed.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
What established Marraige Rights are you refering to? Gays have never
had the Right to Same Sex Marraige.
Q.E.D. You do your best to make gays 2nd class citizens.
Not QED..they never had the right. So there is no attempt to make them
anything.
Read the Constitution. Specifically the 14th Amendment.
And so because blacks/slaves never had rights before, it would
have been okay to keep them 2nd class citizens, too?
This is assinine.
Susan
blacks had many rights, including the vote. Slaves didnt.
You do know there were free blacks as well as slaves, correct?
Including black slave holders.
Now about that second class citizens thingy.
Im sorry your cant marry your Fem, but you can be a Civil Union in many
states.
I think he wants to be sold.
It is interesting, how the Democrats want to redraw the line of
accepted behavior just behind them, but seem incapable of understanding
that if they can claim "last over the line" then the next group can do so
as well, ending up with the progressives being unable to naught but accept
gay necro-pedifilia, because they have no grounds not to. Having dispensed
with any and all objections based on Morality, History, Personal Taste or
Tradition, what are they going to say? "No, Because _I_ said so?" It would
be "funny" to watch their faces when they're told they are committing "hate
speech" and must attend "sensitivity training."
Maybe if they had an opportunity to live a simple lifestyle, and
explore the possibilities of re-education through labor, this would all
become clear to them. I doubt it, but it might help. "If it saves one
life..."
tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
It often seems the only way to make the Left open to the Rights ideas
....is with a shaped charge.
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| User: "" |
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26 Mar 2007 06:43:57 PM |
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On 26-Mar-2007, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
It is interesting, how the Democrats want to redraw the line of
accepted behavior just behind them, but seem incapable of understanding
that if they can claim "last over the line" then the next group can do so
as well, ending up with the progressives being unable to naught but accept
gay necro-pedifilia, because they have no grounds not to.
it is even more interesting how pathetic Rightards keep
dredging up this false scare-tactic, in their hysterical
fear of their own probably gayness.
Susan
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| User: "strabo" |
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28 Mar 2007 10:44:44 PM |
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wrote:
On 26-Mar-2007, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
It is interesting, how the Democrats want to redraw the line of
accepted behavior just behind them, but seem incapable of understanding
that if they can claim "last over the line" then the next group can do so
as well, ending up with the progressives being unable to naught but accept
gay necro-pedifilia, because they have no grounds not to.
it is even more interesting how pathetic Rightards keep
dredging up this false scare-tactic, in their hysterical
fear of their own probably gayness.
Susan
All sex fantasies will seek legal status and demand social acceptance.
It's happened many times before. Decadency has a history and patterns.
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| User: "pyotr filipivich" |
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29 Mar 2007 03:26:45 PM |
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Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but wrote on Mon, 26
Mar 2007 23:43:57 GMT in misc.survivalism :
On 26-Mar-2007, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
It is interesting, how the Democrats want to redraw the line of
accepted behavior just behind them, but seem incapable of understanding
that if they can claim "last over the line" then the next group can do so
as well, ending up with the progressives being unable to naught but accept
gay necro-pedifilia, because they have no grounds not to.
it is even more interesting how pathetic Rightards keep
dredging up this false scare-tactic, in their hysterical
fear of their own probably gayness.
Susan
Hey cupcake, you are committing Hate Speech there. So sad how the
Progressives are so blind to their homophobia, and at the same time so
desirous of imposing their theology on others. Time for you to be enrolled
in a little Sensitivity Training. Please be waiting when the bus arrives,
and limit your luggage to one carry on.
tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
With a tight organization with a clear doctrine, coupled with
strong party discipline - I think we could bring about complete
anarchy!
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