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"Gospel" |
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26 Oct 2004 05:08:54 AM |
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How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
(Romans 10:9-13 NKJV) that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you
will be saved. {10} For with the heart one believes unto righteousness,
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. {11} For the
Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." {12}
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord
over all is rich to all who call upon Him. {13} For "whoever calls on
the name of the LORD shall be saved."
It is not uncommon for people who have just become Christians to doubt
that they really are Christians. The emotions that felt so good on day
one wear off and normal life seems to return. But something different
has happened and your friends will notice it - often before you do. The
two bible verses above give us reassurance when we start doubting that
we really are Christians.
The first bible verse tells us that everyone who receives Jesus Christ
into their life is given the right to become a child of God. The chief
characteristic of children of God is faith they "believe in His name".
This means that they trust Jesus and know that He is the way to God.
Therefore if you have prayed and received Jesus Christ into your life
then God has given you the right to become a child of God.
The second bible verse above tells us the two things that we need to
believe if we are to truly be Christians. The first of these is that we
must believe in our heart that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. In
order to believe this we need to believe that Jesus Christ actually
lived, died on a cross and then was raised from the dead by God. This is
critical to our proper understanding of Christianity. If Jesus did not
really exist then our sins are not paid for by anyone and we are still
in danger from God's wrath. If Jesus lived but was just a good man and a
teacher but did not die on the cross then we have the same problem plus
another one. His teachings are so high that unless our sins are forgiven
and we have confidence before God then it would be absolutely impossible
to live the Christian life. If Jesus really did die on the cross but did
not rise from the dead then we would have no way of knowing if He had
truly conquered death. But when we believe the well attested historical
fact that Jesus did rise from the dead then we affirm all the central
truths of the Christian faith.
The second thing we have to believe and live by is that Jesus Christ is
Lord. This is to say that Jesus is the Supreme Commander of the universe
and is above every individual, government or human structure. This means
that we must obey His orders, called commandments. The sign that we
believe that Jesus Christ is Lord is if we are prepared to speak it out
of our mouths before other people. This is the minimum amount of
Christian obedience.
Do you believe in your heart that Jesus Christ has been raised from the
dead? Are you prepared to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is
Lord? If so, the bible promises you in the book of Romans that you will
be saved and that this applies to everyone who does these things. I
suggest you go over these verses until you are sure in your heart that
you have become a Christian.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 09:19:05 PM |
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Gospel wrote .....
...... nothing much.
But this could be a bit of fun.
You know you are really a Christian ...
.... if you are upset because you have no excuse to scream
"Persecution!".
.... when Dooooookie starts to make sense to you.
.... if the Bible is on your list of things that you really MUST read
someday.
.... if you always make sure to have clean undies in case you are
raptured.
.... if you watched a pirated copy of Gibson's Passion without guilt.
.... when a friend asks you what books you have read lately, and the
only thing you can think of is the Bible.
.... if you are pro-life and support the death penalty.
Regards,
Josef
All Christian religion seems to have a kind of alliance with folly and
in no respect to have any accord with wisdom.
-- Erasmus
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| User: "Godfrey" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
28 Oct 2004 02:06:35 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:19:05 -0400, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
Gospel wrote .....
...... nothing much.
But this could be a bit of fun.
You know you are really a Christian ...
... if you are upset because you have no excuse to scream
"Persecution!".
... when Dooooookie starts to make sense to you.
... if the Bible is on your list of things that you really MUST read
someday.
... if you always make sure to have clean undies in case you are
raptured.
... if you watched a pirated copy of Gibson's Passion without guilt.
... when a friend asks you what books you have read lately, and the
only thing you can think of is the Bible.
... if you are pro-life and support the death penalty.
Regards,
Josef
Bravo, man!
Godfrey
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The truth is a precious commodity. That's why I use it so sparingly.
- Mark Twain
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: AQOTM nomination: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 04:40:56 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:19:05 -0400, Josef Balluch wrote:
Gotta nominate this part:
You know you are really a Christian ...
... if you are upset because you have no excuse to scream "Persecution!".
... when Dooooookie starts to make sense to you.
... if the Bible is on your list of things that you really MUST read
someday.
... if you always make sure to have clean undies in case you are
raptured.
... if you watched a pirated copy of Gibson's Passion without guilt.
... when a friend asks you what books you have read lately, and the only
thing you can think of is the Bible.
... if you are pro-life and support the death penalty.
Seconds?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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| User: "FeverDog" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 06:21:35 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:iI-dnUDiYcwhiB3cRVn-jQ@megapath.net:
[snip]
... if the Bible is on your list of things that you really MUST read
someday.
... if you always make sure to have clean undies in case you are
raptured.
[snip]
Seconds?
Seconded! (ROTFLMAO)
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FeverDog
feverdog@noxnetone.org
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
28 Oct 2004 05:32:14 AM |
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In article <Xns958FB06DF5DA8feverdognoxnetone@38.119.71.51>,
FeverDog <feverdog@noxnetone.org> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:iI-dnUDiYcwhiB3cRVn-jQ@megapath.net:
[snip]
... if the Bible is on your list of things that you really MUST read
someday.
... if you always make sure to have clean undies in case you are
raptured.
[snip]
Seconds?
Seconded! (ROTFLMAO)
Recorded. But for future reference... PLEASE quote the entire nomination
when you second.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Rally" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 10:01:57 AM |
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I'll tell you how:
Go get yourself killed - do something like, if you are white, go
into a predominantly lower class black nieghborhood and keep screeming
out the "N-word" until someone dispatches you.
Since you so strongly think you are destined for some place you call
heaven, and that place is more desirable that where you are now, please
do this as quickly as possible.
No? You won't do it?
That tells me what you REALLY know. You know it's all a crock of
*****.
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| User: "bigpit" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 12:30:17 PM |
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"Rally" <Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> wrote in message
news:417e672e_2@127.0.0.1...
I'll tell you how:
Go get yourself killed - do something like, if you are white, go
into a predominantly lower class black nieghborhood and keep screeming
out the "N-word" until someone dispatches you.
Since you so strongly think you are destined for some place you call
heaven, and that place is more desirable that where you are now, please
do this as quickly as possible.
No? You won't do it?
That tells me what you REALLY know. You know it's all a crock of
*****.
believing racist stereotypes and encouraging people to comit sin is hardly
xtian, now,is it?
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| User: "Almar" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 11:19:46 AM |
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"Gospel" <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:Wmpfd.11305$Al3.1722@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
are you sure you aren't rather a cretin?
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 09:56:57 AM |
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"Almar" <ee@no.no> astounded us with:
news:COufd.88692$b5.4280242@news3.tin.it:
"Gospel" <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:Wmpfd.11305$Al3.1722@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
are you sure you aren't rather a cretin?
Cretin, christian, same thing.........
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
Remove "s" to respond
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 12:31:06 PM |
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Be hypocritical to the max?
Pick and chose which of your bible you should follow.
Ignore all evidence that flies in the face your your beliefs?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 04:11:38 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:31:06 +0000, kathryn wrote:
Be hypocritical to the max?
Pick and chose which of your bible you should follow.
Ignore all evidence that flies in the face your your beliefs?
Repeatedly post unwanted crap to newsgroups that have heard it all before
and still don't believe your fairy tales?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Dianelos Georgoudis" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 12:52:46 AM |
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Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in message news:<Wmpfd.11305$Al3.1722@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>...
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
(Romans 10:9-13 NKJV) that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you
will be saved. {10} For with the heart one believes unto righteousness,
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. {11} For the
Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." {12}
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord
over all is rich to all who call upon Him. {13} For "whoever calls on
the name of the LORD shall be saved."
I think the question you make is a very good one, but I find the
answers you give very wrong. Christ's commandment is to love each
other, including our enemies. One can only be sure to be a real
Christian when one is able to love one's enemies. It's as simple as
that. Everything else is ornamentation at best.
I think that those who muddy Christ's message of love with a lot of
talk about belief in names and resurrections from the dead are not
fruitful. It is easy enough to quote scripture. What about Luke 6:46
"And why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not what I say?". John
13:34,35 is a direct answer to your question: "A new commandment I
give to you, that you love one another; according as I did love you,
that you also love one another; in this shall all know that you are my
disciples, if you may have love one to another." Your first quote
above is by John, the second by Paul, but, according to the gospels
Jesus himself did not say "in that you believe in my name and
resurrection shall you be known as my disciples" but very clearly said
"in that you love each other as I loved you shall you be known as my
disciples". According to the gospels Jesus also said that we should
desire poverty, be meek, and not resist evil. When I listen to so many
Christians speak I really cannot help but wonder what religion they
are expounding, because it certainly does not sound like Christ's -
not only unlike the living and present Christ one can know in spirit
but even unlike Christ as recorded in the gospels.
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| User: "Soldier" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 12:59:28 AM |
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On 26 Oct 2004 22:52:46 -0700, (Dianelos Georgoudis)
blurted:
Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in message news:<Wmpfd.11305$Al3.1722@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>...
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
(Romans 10:9-13 NKJV) that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus
and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you
will be saved. {10} For with the heart one believes unto righteousness,
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. {11} For the
Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." {12}
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord
over all is rich to all who call upon Him. {13} For "whoever calls on
the name of the LORD shall be saved."
I think the question you make is a very good one, but I find the
answers you give very wrong. Christ's commandment is to love each
other, including our enemies. One can only be sure to be a real
Christian when one is able to love one's enemies. It's as simple as
that. Everything else is ornamentation at best.
Well, explain how to accomplish this in practical terms. How would YOU show
love towards someone who is spitting in your face for your beliefs or is
kicking your butt and stealing your wallet?
I think that those who muddy Christ's message of love with a lot of
talk about belief in names and resurrections from the dead are not
fruitful.
You can say you have love all you want, but if you think preaching the Gospel
and believing in Jesus is "muddying" Christ's message, then you don't have love
or faith.
It is easy enough to quote scripture. What about Luke 6:46
"And why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not what I say?". John
13:34,35 is a direct answer to your question: "A new commandment I
give to you, that you love one another; according as I did love you,
that you also love one another; in this shall all know that you are my
disciples, if you may have love one to another." Your first quote
above is by John, the second by Paul, but, according to the gospels
Jesus himself did not say "in that you believe in my name and
resurrection shall you be known as my disciples" but very clearly said
"in that you love each other as I loved you shall you be known as my
disciples". According to the gospels Jesus also said that we should
desire poverty, be meek, and not resist evil. When I listen to so many
Christians speak I really cannot help but wonder what religion they
are expounding, because it certainly does not sound like Christ's -
not only unlike the living and present Christ one can know in spirit
but even unlike Christ as recorded in the gospels.
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| User: "Red Cloud" |
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27 Oct 2004 02:50:04 AM |
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Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in message news:<Wmpfd.11305$Al3.1722@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>...
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Don't send this kind of message? It's too old too boring.
Don't try to fight with atheism. I'm a christian but I don't tell
other
to become one. Yeah you know whole million folk forced me to become
one.
When I became an atheist, then I have to come to understand that the
thing I've thought is there is god himself who must be the God
Himself. I tried myself to be real christian s much as possbile. I
don't go aroudn tell out to convert to one just like you bunch of
false christians to all the time.
This is how you get to be political motivatate not by your real
intention.
It's ugly listening to same stuff over and over again.
I suggest to you if you consider to be real christian, go out there
in street helping out poor and hungry guy in street. If you are a
pastor, I strong suggest
you in the name of Jesus Christ, sell your church building and
donating to the
homeless shelter. I pray you do that and you will go to Heaven.
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 08:47:43 AM |
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Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote in news:Wmpfd.11305$Al3.1722
@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com:
Fortunately, some of us have chosen sanity and rationality instead of
xianity.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
28 Oct 2004 12:05:36 PM |
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Gospel wrote:
< snip >
Do you believe in your heart that Jesus Christ has been raised from the
dead?
Of course not. I'm not a moron.
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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| User: "Jez" |
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26 Oct 2004 10:04:14 AM |
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Gospel wrote:
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Quite easy to tell if your a real Christian........just check out the
wind blowing thru the empty space between your ears.
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Oct 2004 04:10:29 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 +0000, Gospel wrote:
How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian
Slaughter some pagans?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 03:15:03 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET>
wrote:
Do you believe in your heart that Jesus Christ has been raised from the
dead?
No. Now *****.
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| User: "Steve Hayes" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 06:45:04 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Why are you an enemy of Christ?
Posting this in non-Christian groups is EVIL. Repent now!
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| User: "Gospel" |
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27 Oct 2004 08:13:28 AM |
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Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Why are you an enemy of Christ?
Posting this in non-Christian groups is EVIL. Repent now!
Repentance is an old English word that describes a willingness to turn
from our sin towards Jesus Christ. It literally means a complete U-turn
on the road of life. A change of heart and a change of mind. It means
that you are willing to follow Jesus and to receive Him as your Savior
and Lord.
Jesus Himself said, "...repent and believe the Good News" (Mark 1:15).
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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27 Oct 2004 09:15:17 AM |
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In article <Y9Nfd.12420$Al3.5418@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>, Gospel
<GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Why are you an enemy of Christ?
Posting this in non-Christian groups is EVIL. Repent now!
Repentance is an old English word that describes a willingness to turn
from our sin towards Jesus Christ. It literally means a complete U-turn
on the road of life. A change of heart and a change of mind. It means
that you are willing to follow Jesus and to receive Him as your Savior
and Lord.
Jesus Himself said, "...repent and believe the Good News" (Mark 1:15).
• Did Mark attend Jesus' lectures?
--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
remove _ from e-mail adr
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Oct 2004 04:44:35 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:15:17 +0000, •R.L.Measures wrote:
In article <Y9Nfd.12420$Al3.5418@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>, Gospel
<GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET>
wrote:
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Why are you an enemy of Christ?
Posting this in non-Christian groups is EVIL. Repent now!
Repentance is an old English word that describes a willingness to turn
from our sin towards Jesus Christ. It literally means a complete U-turn
on the road of life. A change of heart and a change of mind. It means
that you are willing to follow Jesus and to receive Him as your Savior
and Lord.
Jesus Himself said, "...repent and believe the Good News" (Mark 1:15).
• Did Mark attend Jesus' lectures?
I cannot tell you how *boring they were...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 04:44:22 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:13:28 +0000, Gospel wrote:
Jesus Himself said
Probably not much of anything given he probably never existed...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Steve Hayes" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 10:30:52 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:13:28 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
(John 1:12 NKJV) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right
to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Why are you an enemy of Christ?
Posting this in non-Christian groups is EVIL. Repent now!
Repentance is an old English word that describes a willingness to turn
from our sin towards Jesus Christ. It literally means a complete U-turn
on the road of life. A change of heart and a change of mind. It means
that you are willing to follow Jesus and to receive Him as your Savior
and Lord.
Well do it, man, do it!
Stop making a mockery of him here.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 05:32:57 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
The chief
characteristic of children of God is faith they "believe in His name".
This means that they trust Jesus and know that He is the way to God.
Uh, noooo. He is God himself.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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| User: "Soldier" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
26 Oct 2004 11:34:38 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:32:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> blurted:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:08:54 GMT, Gospel <GospelNSPAM@NOSPAM.NET> wrote:
The chief
characteristic of children of God is faith they "believe in His name".
This means that they trust Jesus and know that He is the way to God.
Uh, noooo. He is God himself.
I don't think that's an X-OR scenario. The Scriptures say that Jesus is the way
to the Father, who is God. They also say that Jesus is God, though not usually
directly. It's mysterious.
I believe the Father dwelled in Jesus and spoke through Him on occasions. In
this way Jesus was prophesying.
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John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 - If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from
henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 - Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth
us.
John 14:9 - Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and
how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 - Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else
believe me for the very works' sake.
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duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
27 Oct 2004 05:37:32 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:34:38 GMT, Soldier <?@ Ž. > wrote:
Uh, noooo. He is God himself.
I don't think that's an X-OR scenario. The Scriptures say that Jesus is the way
to the Father, who is God. They also say that Jesus is God, though not usually
directly. It's mysterious.
No, There is only one God almighty - who presented himself to mankind as 3 separate
persons - loving Father, saving Son, and sustaining Holy Spirit.
You see, Jesus is God and is the only way to the Father, not to God.
Now put that one in your pipe and smoke it.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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| User: "Soldier" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
30 Oct 2004 08:58:35 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:37:32 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> blurted:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:34:38 GMT, Soldier <?@ Ž. > wrote:
Uh, noooo. He is God himself.
I don't think that's an X-OR scenario. The Scriptures say that Jesus is the way
to the Father, who is God. They also say that Jesus is God, though not usually
directly. It's mysterious.
No, There is only one God almighty
Yes.
- who presented himself to mankind as 3 separate
persons - loving Father, saving Son, and sustaining Holy Spirit.
Yes.
You see, Jesus is God and is the only way to the Father, not to God.
Hmm. Let me try to break down this statement to see what you mean.
Jesus is God...Yes, the Scriptures imply that.
Jesus is the only way to the Father...Yes, the Scriptures state that.
The Father is not God...Now this is where you lost me. Your statement that the
Father is not God needs further clarification.
Now put that one in your pipe and smoke it.
Too bad for you that I do not smoke, huh? The body is the temple of God.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: How To Be Sure You Really Are A Christian |
31 Oct 2004 04:02:48 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:58:35 GMT, Soldier <?@ Ž. > wrote:
You see, Jesus is God and is the only way to the Father, not to God.
Hmm. Let me try to break down this statement to see what you mean.
Jesus is God...Yes, the Scriptures imply that.
Good enough.
Jesus is the only way to the Father...Yes, the Scriptures state that.
Yep.
The Father is not God...Now this is where you lost me. Your statement that the
Father is not God needs further clarification.
Reread about God in 3 persons again.
Now put that one in your pipe and smoke it.
Too bad for you that I do not smoke, huh? The body is the temple of God.
Unless you throw God out.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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