Um, we're just going down to a SIL's house, hang out in the pool and have
some burgers. That's it.

"Deuteros" <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Ah yes, July 4th, the day we supposedly celebrate independence. Don't make
me laugh. You can go down this list of annoyances and it would not take
much to see that they're all mostly there again. So how does one celebrate
the day that at one point increased freedom a bit but no longer applies?
How else but by being a contrarian!

Um, we're just going down to a SIL's house, hang out in the pool and have
some burgers. That's it.

Ah yes, July 4th, the day we supposedly celebrate independence.

Speak for yourself.
It's the day we celebrate getting rid of a subset of the population who
would grow into a people stupid enough to vote for bush.

Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> did eloquently scribble:

Ah yes, July 4th, the day we supposedly celebrate independence.

Speak for yourself.
It's the day we celebrate getting rid of a subset of the population who
would grow into a people stupid enough to vote for bush.

Speak for yourself.

Deuteros wrote:

Ah yes, July 4th, the day we supposedly celebrate independence. Dont
make me laugh. You can go down this list of annoyances and it would not
take much to see that theyre all mostly there again. So how does one
celebrate the day that at one point increased freedom a bit but no
longer applies? How else but by being a contrarian!

You are confused, you seem to have thought that the words independance
and freedom mean the same thing.

First lets get the freedom nonsense out of the way. No one is born free,
you are born naked and dependant into a world of shared resources. If
someone hadn't taken the trouble to take care of you for the first ten
to fifteen years of your life you would have died. Have you ever thanked
them by the way?

You are born into a community, it used to be the size of a small
village, then a town and then a country. Now though the community is
world wide. Are you being fair with the resources? How much of the
communities natural resources are you personally taking up in a wasteful
way, knowing that you are denying others their fair share.

But you can still think of your community as that which is local. How
much do you take out and how much do you put back? Or do you have a
childs simplistic view of things, always assuming the store has the
goods you want, no thought as to where those goods come from. The garage
will always have gas, no thought given to the possibility that one day
it will have no gas to sell.

You grumble at taxes, but you use the roads. Perhaps you are against the
money spent by your government on security, so abandon the army, the
police force, the ambulance and fire services.

With no one there to protect you what will happen? Well we have seen
what happens in america (and the world) when that happens, because it
has happened several times before. Looting and ganglands. There is
nothing to buy because the shops get wrecked. There is no one supplying
goods, because it isn't worth their to do so. It's called the Pinochio
syndrome, give the kids what they want and they have a whale of a time
smashing it to pieces, then they wake up next day to find there is
nothing left, they feel like right jackasses. Who is going to feed them
now.

With no forces to restore order this situation can only degenerate to
battles between neighbours, trying to win leadership so that they can
get the flow of food back into order, for themselves. Then when
eventually they is only one leader in your particular community, the
only way he will maintain that leadership is through tyrany. The goods
will not be shared fairly, because to keep his possition he must take
care of those who can help to keep him there, his army, his organisers.

That is the freedom that you are asking for.

But back to the world of shared resources. You want cheaper gas, it is
well known that America wants control of all the worlds oil, do you
really think that the rest of the world wants to just hand it over? So
how will you get it, well that was started long ago, just after the 2nd
world war (maybe before), loans that can't be repaid, bullying, and of
cause by shear force.

But there is a major problem for America. You see time has moved on, as
has happened time and time again through history, the huge nation begins
to crumble, chinks in the armour that break in battle allowing the sword
through. You can see daily America scrambling for possitions they once
held firm, only to find they can't hold it any more.

America is on its way down in financial and influencial terms, so to
keep the same level of lifestyle in the community now you have to pay
more for it, but they will is less coming in. Something has to give.

You already have the richest sections of your community holding on tight
to what they have, sod the man outside the gate who can't even find
drinking water. These people know that hard times are coming, that self
preservation is the only way they have to keep the life style.

This freedom you crave isn't so free afterall is it, because the
community is not acting as a community, it doesn't work at home and
because it doesn't work there it couldn't possibly work in the world
community.

Until America sorts it's own home community out it can not fit properly
into the world community. And the onus for that is on your own
shoulders, not your governments.

So you see, it is you that is holding america back and it is you who are
the cause of it's downfall. Abandon your personal greed and then maybe
America has a chance to find a better possition for itself.

What's so funny about peace, love and Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
posting the following on 04 Jul 2006 03:45:29 GMT iin alt.atheism?

Ah yes, July 4th, the day we supposedly celebrate independence. Don’t make
me laugh. You can go down this list of annoyances and it would not take
much to see that they’re all mostly there again. So how does one celebrate
the day that at one point increased freedom a bit but no longer applies?
How else but by being a contrarian!

Attention idiot: The day celebrates our declaration of independence
from the British Crown.

Sure, go out and start the grill, have some friends over, crack open some
brews, yet for some that might not cut it. So here I offer some healthy
and friendly advice. Some of these things might indeed be risky from a
legal point yet they are totally compatible with freedom and property
rights, so enjoy it and feel proud of being somewhat more independent, if
only for a short time.

Most of these suggestions are idiotic.

My top 10 suggestions:

* Hire anyone you believe is qualified to do the job. Do not check for
credentials, do not pay social security/medicare and for the sake of
all that is good, do not withhold money from their paycheck. Better
yet, pay cash.

And when you get taken, or someone lies about being a contractor and
leaves your home in danger of collapsing, don't use the courts to sue
for damages.

We have professional standards to protect the consumer.

I'm a truck driver. We have to pass a drug screening and background check

* Buy gold or silver. What better way to secure your dollars from the
decaying hands of the Federal Reserve than by buying historically
sound money?

*yawn* Feel free. Of course people have been prediciting the
imminent collapse of the fed since it was created. And the Great
Depression happened while the US was on the Gold Standard.. didn;t do
anything to protect the value of the dollar.

* Sell hot dogs and lemonade to your neighbors, or have a garage sale.
Do not obtain a license and do not pay sales tax. Make it as simple
as possible and enjoy totally free transactions between friends and
family, as it should be. Teach the kids the value of work, money and
freedom.

Never mind that garage sales are exempt from sales tax requirements in
pretty much every state.

And please, sell food without a license. When your neighbor gets
sick, and sues the hell out of you, you'll be really free - no house,
no car, no money...

* Obtain fireworks and set them off. If your state government believes
(oh, the horror) that you are better off not having them, find some
anyway through an intermediary or just drive to the state border

OK, this one is just fucking stupid. Every year people with no clue
about explosives die or are maimed trying to put on a fireworks show.

* Buy a gun from someone not behind a counter. Then keep it on you.

Then go to jail.

* (Try to) travel without an ID. This great victimless crime is a
prime example of the State’s desire to control everything and
everyone. Conform or be jailed.

Take Greyhound. No ID required! Takes a little longer, but hey.

* Deliver first class mail around your block. Make it a fun walk and
bring your kids. Yes, this is a bit silly, but the Feds have
monopolized the delivery of first class mail in the country. Spooner
had a nice go at it but he was shut down. Do not ever try to do evil
things such as deliver mail, for the government hates competition.

Who cares? The Postal Service does a decent job.

* Drive without your license while talking on your cell phone without
wearing your seatbelt or helmet.

And when you have the inevitable accident, pay for all your medical
treatment up front. Do not go to the county hospital, accept aid from
local police or fire, but demand a private ambulance service and
privately owned hospital.

* Start a home improvement project: build a pool, a new room, a bigger
garage. It’s your house and land right? You do not need permission
from your local tyrant or council or any of their thugs and beasts
to use your own property or add to it.

Actually you do, since unless you live on several acres what you do
impacts your neighbors and the local grid. Take that pool. What do
you know about the lines running under your home? Could be that there
is a sewer line ten feet down. Dig into that and your house will be
rendered uninhabitable for weeks until the ground is cleaned (at your
expense.)