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How To Ensure Your Children's Safety |
A) Keep them away from Catholic priests
B) Keep them away from Republicans
C) Keep them away from Catholic Republicans
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AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
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EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2737 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
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soc.history.what-if
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Traitor "Gunner" Lie of the Day: Kerry "Outed" Mary Cheney (GOP=Grand Old Pedophiles) |
11 Oct 2006 10:55:45 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 10 Oct 2006 13:31:51 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 10 Oct 2006 06:46:53 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1160488013.908211.127180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
Gunner
made the claim that Kerry outed Mary Cheney. Now he wants to change
the topic to tactics in the 2004 election. Cahill's actions and views
are entirely irrelevant to the question of whether or not Kerry outed
Mary Cheney.
Cahill was Kerry's campaign manager at the time. Cahill's
actions and views are central to what "Kerry" (that is,
Kerry's campaign) was up to.
Sorry, but that still is a change of topic. Did or did not Kerry *out*
Mary Cheney? Not would he have or did he do something else, but did he
out her?
In further news, Matt Silberstein argues on what the definition
of "is" is.
No, we are arguing over what the word "out" means.
The fact that the Kerry campaign was too stupid to
realize that Mary Cheney was already "out" doesn't
change what they were trying to do.
Play your word games, Matt, if it makes you feel better.
Word games? Is that what you call it when a lie is uncovered? Gunner
said out, you defended out, and it just ain't so. She was out for
years before Kerry said a thing.
They tried to out her. She was already out. If you try to shoot
and kill a man sitting in a chair and it turns out that man was
already dead, should I feel safe around you or should I think of
you as a wannabee (though incompetent) murderer?
Your
heroes tried to use someone's sexual orientation as a weapon
while pretending to be the party of tolerance, so I can see how
you'd need every bit of feelgood you can hang on to.
As I have said several times, I was just dealing with the one issue,
the false statement from Gunner.
Because the issue Gunner brought up - the bigotry and
hypocrisy of your heroes - just plain hurts too much for you
to think about.
Play all the games you want, that
will not make the claim correct.
They tried to out someone to people who already knew
the person was gay. You're relying on their incompetence
to excuse their noxious behavior. Isn't that nice?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Traitor "Gunner" Lie of the Day: Kerry "Outed" Mary Cheney (GOP=Grand Old Pedophiles) |
11 Oct 2006 12:59:58 PM |
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On 11 Oct 2006 08:55:45 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1160582145.458488.294390@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 10 Oct 2006 13:31:51 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1160512311.041171.96820@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 10 Oct 2006 06:46:53 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1160488013.908211.127180@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
Gunner
made the claim that Kerry outed Mary Cheney. Now he wants to change
the topic to tactics in the 2004 election. Cahill's actions and views
are entirely irrelevant to the question of whether or not Kerry outed
Mary Cheney.
Cahill was Kerry's campaign manager at the time. Cahill's
actions and views are central to what "Kerry" (that is,
Kerry's campaign) was up to.
Sorry, but that still is a change of topic. Did or did not Kerry *out*
Mary Cheney? Not would he have or did he do something else, but did he
out her?
In further news, Matt Silberstein argues on what the definition
of "is" is.
No, we are arguing over what the word "out" means.
The fact that the Kerry campaign was too stupid to
realize that Mary Cheney was already "out" doesn't
change what they were trying to do.
I see. So you are now projecting either your and/or Gunner's ignorance
onto the Kerry campaign. Edwards *complimented* Cheney for how he
treated his daughter. It was not an attack on Mary, it was an attack
on how Republicans utilize homophobia in their campaigns. The comment
depended on knowing that Mary Cheney was out, not the other way
around.
Play your word games, Matt, if it makes you feel better.
Word games? Is that what you call it when a lie is uncovered? Gunner
said out, you defended out, and it just ain't so. She was out for
years before Kerry said a thing.
They tried to out her. She was already out.
You have nothing that says they tried to out her. All you have is
your/Gunner's ignorance of the facts. You have Cahill saying her
orientation was "fair game", but it is "fair game" *if* she is already
out.
If you try to shoot
and kill a man sitting in a chair and it turns out that man was
already dead, should I feel safe around you or should I think of
you as a wannabee (though incompetent) murderer?
And if you make stuff up and then try to defend it you are still a
liar.
Your
heroes tried to use someone's sexual orientation as a weapon
while pretending to be the party of tolerance, so I can see how
you'd need every bit of feelgood you can hang on to.
As I have said several times, I was just dealing with the one issue,
the false statement from Gunner.
Because the issue Gunner brought up - the bigotry and
hypocrisy of your heroes - just plain hurts too much for you
to think about.
And now you make stuff up about me. Lying to me about my motivations
is a rather silly game. Sorry, but neither Kerry nor Edwards are my
heroes, so, as they say, that dog won't hunt. I objected because the
statement was false and I happened to notice it. Repeating false
statements and refusing to back them up, or backing them up with
statements that don't, in fact, back them up, pretty quickly becomes
lying. I object to the lies that the Republican party regularly uses
because I find them dangerous for my country.
Nor, as it happens, to I see anything bigoted or hypocritical about
Edwards' or Kerry's statements. The bigotry and hypocrisy comes with
the contrast between the homophobia in the Republican policies and the
personal actions of some of the members of the party.
Play all the games you want, that
will not make the claim correct.
They tried to out someone to people who already knew
the person was gay.
Does that even make lick of sense to you? Why do you make such silly
claims?
You're relying on their incompetence
to excuse their noxious behavior. Isn't that nice?
Actually you are using your claim of their incompetence to defend your
claim of what they did. I figure they are not so bloody stupid as to
out someone known to be out.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Traitor "Gunner" Lie of the Day: Kerry "Outed" Mary Cheney (GOP=Grand Old Pedophiles) |
17 Oct 2006 06:26:33 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
you make stuff up
you make stuff up
If that makes you feel better, then go ahead and
believe it. As entertaining as it may be, I've got
better things to do than watch you twist and turn
trying to defend your heroes.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Traitor "Gunner" Lie of the Day: Kerry "Outed" Mary Cheney (GOP=Grand Old Pedophiles) |
17 Oct 2006 07:18:17 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 16:26:33 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161127593.848499.323090@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
you make stuff up
you make stuff up
If that makes you feel better, then go ahead and
believe it. As entertaining as it may be, I've got
better things to do than watch you twist and turn
trying to defend your heroes.
I guess between making stuff up (like calling the people in question
my heroes) and making unmarked snips you really don't have time to
make coherent arguments.
To summarize: Mary Cheney was out as a lesbian years before the 2004
election debates. Quite a few references have been provided to support
that claim, nothing has been presented to refute it. You can squirm
and deny and change the subject all you want, that won't make it go
away.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Traitor "Gunner" Lie of the Day: Kerry "Outed" Mary Cheney (GOP=Grand Old Pedophiles) |
17 Oct 2006 10:14:51 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
I guess between making stuff up (like calling the people in question
my heroes) and making unmarked snips you really don't have time to
make coherent arguments.
I'll leave my coherent arguments upthread where I first posted
them, and leave you to your hero-worship.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Traitor "Gunner" Lie of the Day: Kerry "Outed" Mary Cheney (GOP=Grand Old Pedophiles) |
18 Oct 2006 09:19:24 AM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 20:14:51 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161141291.908944.113800@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
I guess between making stuff up (like calling the people in question
my heroes) and making unmarked snips you really don't have time to
make coherent arguments.
I'll leave my coherent arguments upthread where I first posted
them, and leave you to your hero-worship.
Argument? First, you keep ignoring my explicit statement that I don't
consider the people involved my heroes. Second, you keep making
unmarked dishonest snips. Third, you have ignored all the references
to how Mary Cheney was out long before the election:
USA Today carrying an Associated Press article - well before the
debates - referencing Mary Cheney's open lesbianism, dated 01/10/04.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-10-cheney-gaymarriage_x.htm
A Newsweek article from 02/23/04 - before the afore alleged "outing" -
about Mary Cheney, centering on her sexual orientation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271472/
Syndicated column by Howard Kurtz, carried here by the Washington Post
(and by dozens of other major newspapers nationally - hence the
'syndicated'), referencing Mary Cheney as gay, from 02/25/04.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4575-2004Feb25?language=printer
An AP article carried by the San Diego Union-Tribune from 03/02/04 -
again, long before the Presidential debates - referencing Mary Cheney
as a lesbian.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040302-1125-cheney.html
Same article, same date, Boston Globe.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/03/cheney_backs_federal_amendment_banning_gay_marriage/
A USA Today article from 08/24/04 referencing Mary Cheney's
homosexuality in the very first sentence.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-24-cheney_x.htm
Same article, one day later, carried by MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720
Same article, again one day later, New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/politics/campaign/25cheney.html?ex=1251172800&en=b83b965d05b349b0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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18 Oct 2006 01:27:08 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 20:14:51 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161141291.908944.113800@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
I guess between making stuff up (like calling the people in question
my heroes) and making unmarked snips you really don't have time to
make coherent arguments.
I'll leave my coherent arguments upthread where I first posted
them, and leave you to your hero-worship.
Argument? First, you keep ignoring
That sounds like a capital suggestion. Thank you.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| Title: Re: NeoCon Traitor "Gunner" Lie of the Day: Kerry "Outed" Mary Cheney (GOP=Grand Old Pedophiles) |
18 Oct 2006 03:19:44 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2006 11:27:08 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161196028.417035.65690@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 20:14:51 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161141291.908944.113800@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
I guess between making stuff up (like calling the people in question
my heroes) and making unmarked snips you really don't have time to
make coherent arguments.
I'll leave my coherent arguments upthread where I first posted
them, and leave you to your hero-worship.
Argument? First, you keep ignoring
That sounds like a capital suggestion. Thank you.
Dishonesty and ignorance are your two best weapons, keep using them.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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19 Oct 2006 10:31:16 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
Dishonesty and ignorance are your two best weapons, keep using them.
To bring the conversation down to a level you're more
comfortable with: I know you are, but what am I?
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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19 Oct 2006 11:17:09 AM |
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On 19 Oct 2006 08:31:16 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161271876.005587.154120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
Dishonesty and ignorance are your two best weapons, keep using them.
To bring the conversation down to a level you're more
comfortable with: I know you are, but what am I?
And, yet, you are the one who makes the unmarked snips. You are the
one who has ignored multiple references.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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20 Oct 2006 10:23:56 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 19 Oct 2006 08:31:16 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161271876.005587.154120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
Dishonesty and ignorance are your two best weapons, keep using them.
To bring the conversation down to a level you're more
comfortable with: I know you are, but what am I?
And, yet, you are the one who makes the unmarked snips.
Watch your fingers and toes, I might do so again. ;-)
--
Walt Smith
Firleock on DALNet
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20 Oct 2006 11:32:19 AM |
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Please don't cross-post to the frugal living group.
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 19 Oct 2006 08:31:16 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161271876.005587.154120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
Dishonesty and ignorance are your two best weapons, keep using them.
To bring the conversation down to a level you're more
comfortable with: I know you are, but what am I?
And, yet, you are the one who makes the unmarked snips.
Watch your fingers and toes, I might do so again. ;-)
--
Walt Smith
Firleock on DALNet
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19 Oct 2006 01:10:19 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:19:44 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On 18 Oct 2006 11:27:08 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161196028.417035.65690@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 20:14:51 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
firelock_ny@hotmail.com in
<1161141291.908944.113800@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
I guess between making stuff up (like calling the people in question
my heroes) and making unmarked snips you really don't have time to
make coherent arguments.
I'll leave my coherent arguments upthread where I first posted
them, and leave you to your hero-worship.
Argument? First, you keep ignoring
That sounds like a capital suggestion. Thank you.
Dishonesty and ignorance are your two best weapons, keep using them.
His third is cowardice.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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12 Oct 2006 05:29:46 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:59:58 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Because the issue Gunner brought up - the bigotry and
hypocrisy of your heroes - just plain hurts too much for you
to think about.
And now you make stuff up about me.
since when is fact..a "made up stuff"?
Gunner
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"
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12 Oct 2006 06:42:34 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:29:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Gunner
<gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> in
<h86si2pnsof8rcn0btb14bi3hs5bloivaj@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:59:58 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Because the issue Gunner brought up - the bigotry and
hypocrisy of your heroes - just plain hurts too much for you
to think about.
And now you make stuff up about me.
since when is fact..a "made up stuff"?
When it is, well, made up. And making unmarked snips does not hide
your dishonesty, it makes it more obvious.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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12 Oct 2006 11:49:42 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:42:34 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:29:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Gunner
<gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> in
<h86si2pnsof8rcn0btb14bi3hs5bloivaj@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:59:58 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Because the issue Gunner brought up - the bigotry and
hypocrisy of your heroes - just plain hurts too much for you
to think about.
And now you make stuff up about me.
since when is fact..a "made up stuff"?
When it is, well, made up. And making unmarked snips does not hide
your dishonesty, it makes it more obvious.
The sun rises in the East, the Earth has a moon circling it, water is
wet and people tell you the facts of life. All made up facts according
to you.
Your denial is rather pathetic. Like that of a Downs child just told
he will never become an astronaut.
Gunner
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"
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13 Oct 2006 08:49:38 PM |
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"Gunner" <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:42:34 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:29:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Gunner
<gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> in
<h86si2pnsof8rcn0btb14bi3hs5bloivaj@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:59:58 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Because the issue Gunner brought up - the bigotry and
hypocrisy of your heroes - just plain hurts too much for you
to think about.
And now you make stuff up about me.
since when is fact..a "made up stuff"?
When it is, well, made up. And making unmarked snips does not hide
your dishonesty, it makes it more obvious.
The sun rises in the East, the Earth has a moon circling it, water is
wet and people tell you the facts of life. All made up facts according
to you.
Citing irrelevant random facts does not bolster your position...
Not that you would understand that fact.
Your denial is rather pathetic. Like that of a Downs child just told
he will never become an astronaut.
Pathetic. yep, that's broken down cowardly Runner, all right.
Yawn.
Dan
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12 Oct 2006 04:25:38 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:49:42 GMT, Gunner <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
Your denial is rather pathetic. Like that of a Downs child just told
he will never become an astronaut.
Probably made the same face George W made when HIS parents informed
him that NASA was no longer sending up chimps, eh?
--
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
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13 Oct 2006 11:46:44 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:25:38 -0400, Joe <joe@FAKE.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:49:42 GMT, Gunner <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
Your denial is rather pathetic. Like that of a Downs child just told
he will never become an astronaut.
Probably made the same face George W made when HIS parents informed
him that NASA was no longer sending up chimps, eh?
Probably. Which is why so few liberals get sent up anymore.
Gunner
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"
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10 Oct 2006 11:24:53 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:28:12 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Really? According to the Wikipedia, and I don't feel like doing any
more research than that at the moment but you are free to present
contradicting evidence, Mary Cheney was well known to be a lesbian in
2000. She appeared at the inaugural with her partner in 2001. So how
could Kerry have outed her in 2004?
Cites that she was "well known to be a lesbian"?
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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12 Oct 2006 05:16:38 PM |
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Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:28:12 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Really? According to the Wikipedia, and I don't feel like doing any
more research than that at the moment but you are free to present
contradicting evidence, Mary Cheney was well known to be a lesbian in
2000. She appeared at the inaugural with her partner in 2001. So how
could Kerry have outed her in 2004?
Cites that she was "well known to be a lesbian"?
USA Today carrying an Associated Press article - well before the
debates - referencing Mary Cheney's open lesbianism, dated 01/10/04.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-10-cheney-gaymarriage_x.htm
A Newsweek article from 02/23/04 - before the afore alleged "outing" -
about Mary Cheney, centering on her sexual orientation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271472/
Syndicated column by Howard Kurtz, carried here by the Washington Post
(and by dozens of other major newspapers nationally - hence the
'syndicated'), referencing Mary Cheney as gay, from 02/25/04.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4575-2004Feb25?language=printer
An AP article carried by the San Diego Union-Tribune from 03/02/04 -
again, long before the Presidential debates - referencing Mary Cheney
as a lesbian.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040302-1125-cheney.html
Same article, same date, Boston Globe.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/03/cheney_backs_federal_amendment_banning_gay_marriage/
A USA Today article from 08/24/04 referencing Mary Cheney's
homosexuality in the very first sentence.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-24-cheney_x.htm
Same article, one day later, carried by MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720
Same article, again one day later, New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/politics/campaign/25cheney.html?ex=1251172800&en=b83b965d05b349b0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
Two unique articles in USA Today, articles in Newsweek, San Diego
Union-Tribune, Boston Globe, the New York Times, MSNBC.com, and a
syndicated column. Total readership? Tens if not hundreds of
millions. And that's just a sampling of the hits when googling a few
relevant words.
Yep, that's well known. When at least tens of millions of people are
reading that you're a lesbian, you're out. It's well known. When you
attend the Presidential Inauguration with your partner, you're out.
When you're the lesbian/gay corporate relations manager for a major
brewery, you're out. When USA Today is noting that you're a lesbian in
2000 - and when Jerry Falwell is mentioning your homosexuality in 2000:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/conv/037.htm
then you're sure as Hell "out" 4+ years later.
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13 Oct 2006 11:47:52 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2006 15:16:38 -0700, "Andrew F. Heil"
<andrewfheil2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:28:12 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Really? According to the Wikipedia, and I don't feel like doing any
more research than that at the moment but you are free to present
contradicting evidence, Mary Cheney was well known to be a lesbian in
2000. She appeared at the inaugural with her partner in 2001. So how
could Kerry have outed her in 2004?
Cites that she was "well known to be a lesbian"?
USA Today carrying an Associated Press article - well before the
debates - referencing Mary Cheney's open lesbianism, dated 01/10/04.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-10-cheney-gaymarriage_x.htm
A Newsweek article from 02/23/04 - before the afore alleged "outing" -
about Mary Cheney, centering on her sexual orientation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271472/
Syndicated column by Howard Kurtz, carried here by the Washington Post
(and by dozens of other major newspapers nationally - hence the
'syndicated'), referencing Mary Cheney as gay, from 02/25/04.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4575-2004Feb25?language=printer
An AP article carried by the San Diego Union-Tribune from 03/02/04 -
again, long before the Presidential debates - referencing Mary Cheney
as a lesbian.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040302-1125-cheney.html
Same article, same date, Boston Globe.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/03/cheney_backs_federal_amendment_banning_gay_marriage/
A USA Today article from 08/24/04 referencing Mary Cheney's
homosexuality in the very first sentence.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-24-cheney_x.htm
Same article, one day later, carried by MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720
Same article, again one day later, New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/politics/campaign/25cheney.html?ex=1251172800&en=b83b965d05b349b0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
Two unique articles in USA Today, articles in Newsweek, San Diego
Union-Tribune, Boston Globe, the New York Times, MSNBC.com, and a
syndicated column. Total readership? Tens if not hundreds of
millions. And that's just a sampling of the hits when googling a few
relevant words.
Yep, that's well known. When at least tens of millions of people are
reading that you're a lesbian, you're out. It's well known. When you
attend the Presidential Inauguration with your partner, you're out.
When you're the lesbian/gay corporate relations manager for a major
brewery, you're out. When USA Today is noting that you're a lesbian in
2000 - and when Jerry Falwell is mentioning your homosexuality in 2000:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/conv/037.htm
then you're sure as Hell "out" 4+ years later.
Yes and how many people in American read those magazines? Care to
provide circulation data for us to mull over?
Gunner
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"
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14 Oct 2006 10:54:40 AM |
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Gunner wrote:
On 12 Oct 2006 15:16:38 -0700, "Andrew F. Heil"
<andrewfheil2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:28:12 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Really? According to the Wikipedia, and I don't feel like doing any
more research than that at the moment but you are free to present
contradicting evidence, Mary Cheney was well known to be a lesbian in
2000. She appeared at the inaugural with her partner in 2001. So how
could Kerry have outed her in 2004?
Cites that she was "well known to be a lesbian"?
USA Today carrying an Associated Press article - well before the
debates - referencing Mary Cheney's open lesbianism, dated 01/10/04.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-10-cheney-gaymarriage_x.htm
A Newsweek article from 02/23/04 - before the afore alleged "outing" -
about Mary Cheney, centering on her sexual orientation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271472/
Syndicated column by Howard Kurtz, carried here by the Washington Post
(and by dozens of other major newspapers nationally - hence the
'syndicated'), referencing Mary Cheney as gay, from 02/25/04.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4575-2004Feb25?language=printer
An AP article carried by the San Diego Union-Tribune from 03/02/04 -
again, long before the Presidential debates - referencing Mary Cheney
as a lesbian.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040302-1125-cheney.html
Same article, same date, Boston Globe.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/03/cheney_backs_federal_amendment_banning_gay_marriage/
A USA Today article from 08/24/04 referencing Mary Cheney's
homosexuality in the very first sentence.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-24-cheney_x.htm
Same article, one day later, carried by MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720
Same article, again one day later, New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/politics/campaign/25cheney.html?ex=1251172800&en=b83b965d05b349b0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
Two unique articles in USA Today, articles in Newsweek, San Diego
Union-Tribune, Boston Globe, the New York Times, MSNBC.com, and a
syndicated column. Total readership? Tens if not hundreds of
millions. And that's just a sampling of the hits when googling a few
relevant words.
Yep, that's well known. When at least tens of millions of people are
reading that you're a lesbian, you're out. It's well known. When you
attend the Presidential Inauguration with your partner, you're out.
When you're the lesbian/gay corporate relations manager for a major
brewery, you're out. When USA Today is noting that you're a lesbian in
2000 - and when Jerry Falwell is mentioning your homosexuality in 2000:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/conv/037.htm
then you're sure as Hell "out" 4+ years later.
Yes and how many people in American read those magazines? Care to
provide circulation data for us to mull over?
Nope.
Play your schtick of endlessly demanding more and more cites with
someone else.
If you want to play the game of obtusement by suggesting that someone
can not be out when millions of people (or if your dumb enough to try
to pretend that millions and millions of people don't read thise
publications) read articles about their sexuality, have at it.
Everyone following this thread knows how foolish you are being. Those
who disagree with you politically are undoubtedly amused. Those who
agree with you politically are probably cringing and wishing you'd get
a clue and drop it.
You've been proven wrong. Clearly, you know it. Clearly, you think
that arguing a laughably incorrect point and making yourself look all
the more the fool with each post somehow serves some purpose better
than actually acting like you have a modicum of character and copping
to your error. Or, at least, strategically dropping it so as to avoid
looking so fucking idiotic with each post.
Why don't you do this? Beats me. Maybe you revel in appearing the
*****. Maybe you're just emotionally stunted to the point where you
think that obviously being an ***** is preferable to admitting that
you're human and made an error. Or maybe you're just a dumbfuck.
Hard to tell, precisely.
But you are an amusement in a perverse sort of "I can't help being
fascinated by the car wreck" sort of way.
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14 Oct 2006 10:17:33 PM |
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On 14 Oct 2006 08:54:40 -0700, "Andrew F. Heil" <andrewfheil2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
then you're sure as Hell "out" 4+ years later.
Yes and how many people in American read those magazines? Care to
provide circulation data for us to mull over?
Nope.
Play your schtick of endlessly demanding more and more cites with
someone else.
So if those news media had a circulation of say..1000 people, out of
290,000,000...you would claim that they are Well Known Sources.
And any information inside of them, would be wide spread?
Fascinating.
I wonder..is The Grit a major News Source?
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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14 Oct 2006 10:26:21 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:47:52 GMT Gunner <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net>
said the following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of
1,000 Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
On 12 Oct 2006 15:16:38 -0700, "Andrew F. Heil"
<andrewfheil2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:28:12 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Really? According to the Wikipedia, and I don't feel like doing any
more research than that at the moment but you are free to present
contradicting evidence, Mary Cheney was well known to be a lesbian in
2000. She appeared at the inaugural with her partner in 2001. So how
could Kerry have outed her in 2004?
Cites that she was "well known to be a lesbian"?
USA Today carrying an Associated Press article - well before the
debates - referencing Mary Cheney's open lesbianism, dated 01/10/04.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-10-cheney-gaymarriage_x.htm
A Newsweek article from 02/23/04 - before the afore alleged "outing" -
about Mary Cheney, centering on her sexual orientation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271472/
Syndicated column by Howard Kurtz, carried here by the Washington Post
(and by dozens of other major newspapers nationally - hence the
'syndicated'), referencing Mary Cheney as gay, from 02/25/04.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4575-2004Feb25?language=printer
An AP article carried by the San Diego Union-Tribune from 03/02/04 -
again, long before the Presidential debates - referencing Mary Cheney
as a lesbian.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040302-1125-cheney.html
Same article, same date, Boston Globe.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/03/cheney_backs_federal_amendment_banning_gay_marriage/
A USA Today article from 08/24/04 referencing Mary Cheney's
homosexuality in the very first sentence.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-24-cheney_x.htm
Same article, one day later, carried by MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720
Same article, again one day later, New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/politics/campaign/25cheney.html?ex=1251172800&en=b83b965d05b349b0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
Two unique articles in USA Today, articles in Newsweek, San Diego
Union-Tribune, Boston Globe, the New York Times, MSNBC.com, and a
syndicated column. Total readership? Tens if not hundreds of
millions. And that's just a sampling of the hits when googling a few
relevant words.
Yep, that's well known. When at least tens of millions of people are
reading that you're a lesbian, you're out. It's well known. When you
attend the Presidential Inauguration with your partner, you're out.
When you're the lesbian/gay corporate relations manager for a major
brewery, you're out. When USA Today is noting that you're a lesbian in
2000 - and when Jerry Falwell is mentioning your homosexuality in 2000:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/conv/037.htm
then you're sure as Hell "out" 4+ years later.
Yes and how many people in American read those magazines? Care to
provide circulation data for us to mull over?
USA Today: 2.25 million daily.
Newsweek: 3.16 million weekly
The AP feeds stories to just about every newspaper in America.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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14 Oct 2006 01:02:39 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:47:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Gunner
<gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> in
<guq0j2p3pkibcf5h4n9bi4ut7ao0ls2r74@4ax.com> wrote:
On 12 Oct 2006 15:16:38 -0700, "Andrew F. Heil"
<andrewfheil2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:28:12 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Really? According to the Wikipedia, and I don't feel like doing any
more research than that at the moment but you are free to present
contradicting evidence, Mary Cheney was well known to be a lesbian in
2000. She appeared at the inaugural with her partner in 2001. So how
could Kerry have outed her in 2004?
Cites that she was "well known to be a lesbian"?
USA Today carrying an Associated Press article - well before the
debates - referencing Mary Cheney's open lesbianism, dated 01/10/04.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-10-cheney-gaymarriage_x.htm
A Newsweek article from 02/23/04 - before the afore alleged "outing" -
about Mary Cheney, centering on her sexual orientation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271472/
Syndicated column by Howard Kurtz, carried here by the Washington Post
(and by dozens of other major newspapers nationally - hence the
'syndicated'), referencing Mary Cheney as gay, from 02/25/04.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4575-2004Feb25?language=printer
An AP article carried by the San Diego Union-Tribune from 03/02/04 -
again, long before the Presidential debates - referencing Mary Cheney
as a lesbian.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040302-1125-cheney.html
Same article, same date, Boston Globe.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/03/cheney_backs_federal_amendment_banning_gay_marriage/
A USA Today article from 08/24/04 referencing Mary Cheney's
homosexuality in the very first sentence.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-24-cheney_x.htm
Same article, one day later, carried by MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5817720
Same article, again one day later, New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/politics/campaign/25cheney.html?ex=1251172800&en=b83b965d05b349b0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
Two unique articles in USA Today, articles in Newsweek, San Diego
Union-Tribune, Boston Globe, the New York Times, MSNBC.com, and a
syndicated column. Total readership? Tens if not hundreds of
millions. And that's just a sampling of the hits when googling a few
relevant words.
Yep, that's well known. When at least tens of millions of people are
reading that you're a lesbian, you're out. It's well known. When you
attend the Presidential Inauguration with your partner, you're out.
When you're the lesbian/gay corporate relations manager for a major
brewery, you're out. When USA Today is noting that you're a lesbian in
2000 - and when Jerry Falwell is mentioning your homosexuality in 2000:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/conv/037.htm
then you're sure as Hell "out" 4+ years later.
Yes and how many people in American read those magazines? Care to
provide circulation data for us to mull over?
How many people watched the debates?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
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14 Oct 2006 10:18:18 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:02:39 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Yep, that's well known. When at least tens of millions of people are
reading that you're a lesbian, you're out. It's well known. When you
attend the Presidential Inauguration with your partner, you're out.
When you're the lesbian/gay corporate relations manager for a major
brewery, you're out. When USA Today is noting that you're a lesbian in
2000 - and when Jerry Falwell is mentioning your homosexuality in 2000:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/conv/037.htm
then you're sure as Hell "out" 4+ years later.
Yes and how many people in American read those magazines? Care to
provide circulation data for us to mull over?
How many people watched the debates?
so you are unwilling to expose yourself in this matter?
I thought not.
Piker
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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15 Oct 2006 12:51:33 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 03:18:18 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
so you are unwilling to expose yourself in this matter?
I thought not.
Piker
Gunner = KOOK a doodle DOOOO!
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DESERTBOB (not its real name) is a troll.
It regularly frequents at least twenty news groups,
including many rabid/sex/racist/liberal idiot/wannabee mechanic groups.
Normally, it starts off with reasonable, even witty lines,
but rapidly drifts into lies, abuse and stupidity.
Check its details at Google Groups at this URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Ohn2FRMAAADKWt-YFW4KG3QbhQogR222h-kUg4S0n7nbF1Te82ZIng&hl=en
See it's pathetic picture and myspace page at this URL- as it searches
for companionship at age 50- looks like a quart of oil for the car in
that hair...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=30321125
It had 2 Ebay usernames, both banned due to abuse, auction
interference, and harassment- they were VOXPOPPER and XCALIBER44- see
them here- search history of VOXPOPPER to see how it left (8) negative
feedbacks for a seller, for items that cost only a penny each !
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=voxpopper
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=xcaliber44
It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger.
Any direct response simply feeds it,
but it will go away if you ignore it.
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15 Oct 2006 12:09:18 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:51:33 -0700, DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 03:18:18 GMT, Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net>
wrote:
so you are unwilling to expose yourself in this matter?
I thought not.
Piker
Gunner = KOOK a doodle DOOOO!
See the best the Leftards have to offer?
Fascinating..here he is clucking like a lil banty rooster, publicly on
Usenet.
Fortunately, he is representative of his ilk..so few pay much attention
to them, except keeping the children inside and a wary eye in his
direction.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the ***** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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