| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"dapra" |
| Date: |
05 Nov 2007 01:21:39 PM |
| Object: |
How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
After more than 4 years of an aggressive, illegal war by the Bush
administration, violating The Constitution, US laws, with the
cooperation, collusion of the Democrats in the last year, it's time to
ask; how to survive a fascist regime or even more to come?
Any ideas? Can it be stopped? Can at least our kids come out in the
other end, battered, ashamed but free, as the Germans did?
Or will it be the end of history? The corporate oligarchy will rule the
globe with its private armys, its surveillance apparatus, and with its
torturers for ever.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
05 Dec 2007 09:18:14 AM |
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:42:26 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<RMWdnaDuY5X4y8vanZ2dnUVZ_tijnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:12:30 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<8-GdnUXW1snS3MvanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
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wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in message news:<4753A4F0.E4B08C0D@drunkenbastards.org.ies>:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:45:28 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:41:39 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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In article <13l1uo8pcergh11@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:31:53 -0800, tankfixer
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<7ri1l318luullssde4u22tqukde8vgile3@4ax.com>,
activated_
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:10 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote
in
message
news:474F02D2.E5CA6B67@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who attack
us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the appearance
of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former
greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar, a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I
answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the
White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were
early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of
Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK trysts
in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women
complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but it
is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and do
not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and this
has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
You're wasting your time...
Classic hypocrisy on your part.
he's a liberal dummycrat,
Classic invective, as expected from one who lacks a logical argument.
and they think it is okay to abuse another human being in any manner if
they are subordinate to them.
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Just think of the way he must treat the illegals he hires...
Classic erroneous presupposition.
Classic inability to refute or rebut....
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
--
Bushism 8-15:
"I don't have to accept their tenants. I was trying to convince those
college students to accept my tenants. And I reject any labeling me
because I happened to go to the university."
--NBC's Today show; February 23, 2000
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| User: "Billzz" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
05 Dec 2007 12:20:07 AM |
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"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
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billzzstring@starband.net says...
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In article <13l7a3q1lfr3u8c@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in message news:<4753A4F0.E4B08C0D@drunkenbastards.org.ies>:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:45:28 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:41:39 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:31:53 -0800, tankfixer
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activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:10 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article <bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote
in
message
news:474F02D2.E5CA6B67@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who attack us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the appearance of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar, a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK trysts in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but it is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and do not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and this has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
.
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
05 Dec 2007 01:46:38 AM |
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"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
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billzzstring@starband.net says...
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In article <13l7a3q1lfr3u8c@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in message news:<4753A4F0.E4B08C0D@drunkenbastards.org.ies>:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:45:28 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<rqydncS3kpBkCs7anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:41:39 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<CMadnbfCzu1Z8s_anZ2dnUVZ_qSonZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:16:07 -1000, Hertz Donut
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:31:53 -0800, tankfixer
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activated_
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:10 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in
message
news:474F02D2.E5CA6B67@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who attack
us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the appearance
of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former
greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar, a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the
White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were
early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK trysts
in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but it
is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and do
not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and this has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
Wow...typical liberal thinking...it's not breaking the law unless you get
caught...
Classic liberal mindset..."No law applies until someone makes a charge"....
Honu
.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
05 Dec 2007 09:21:13 AM |
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:46:38 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<jdCdnarCTsn9ysvanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
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billzzstring@starband.net says...
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In article <13l7a3q1lfr3u8c@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in message news:<4753A4F0.E4B08C0D@drunkenbastards.org.ies>:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:45:28 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<rqydncS3kpBkCs7anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:41:39 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<CMadnbfCzu1Z8s_anZ2dnUVZ_qSonZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:16:07 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:31:53 -0800, tankfixer
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<7ri1l318luullssde4u22tqukde8vgile3@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:10 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in
message
news:474F02D2.E5CA6B67@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who attack
us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the appearance
of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former
greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar, a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the
White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were
early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK trysts
in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but it
is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and do
not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and this has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
Wow...typical liberal thinking...it's not breaking the law unless you get
caught...
Classic liberal mindset..."No law applies until someone makes a charge"....
No, that's the typical Republican mindset.
* Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman was charged with two
counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency
of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.
* Republican prosecutor John David Roy Atchison was arrested for
soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks
later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant U.S.
attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general.
* Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police
began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls,
including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.
* Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls
under the age of 16.
* Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found
guilty of fondling underage girls.
* Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for
having sex with a 14-year old boy.
* Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered
to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and
13.
* Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting
sex from 13-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days
in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year
period.
* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with
molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from
Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him
flirting with a 16-year old boy.
* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative
Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a
13-year old girl on the internet.
* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres
confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to
charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has
repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling
a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex
with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of
an associate in the petition business.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to
fondling a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins
pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted
child molester.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence
in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child
pornography over the internet.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of
soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
in prison.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with
molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran
church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual
act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded
guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a
bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old
girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced
to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom
appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual
photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty
to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five
years later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of
child pornography on his home computer.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to
exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a
14-year old girl.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found
guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30
months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate
Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of
soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in
prison.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed
reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage
girls.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation"
Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced
to six years in prison.
* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development
Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography
on his computer.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen,
62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1
million to have sex with a large number of young women.
* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape
of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into
providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt
of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.
--
Bushism 9-8:
"It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here
to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their
belief in freedom, helped change America."
--Dakar, Senegal; July 8, 2003
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05 Dec 2007 11:45:13 PM |
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In article <a41da$475642ea$9440b19b$12458@STARBAND.NET>,
billzzstring@starband.net says...
"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.21bfd468df38cdef9896e0@nntp.earthlink.net...
In article <349e8$4754fb0b$9440b19b$22385@STARBAND.NET>,
billzzstring@starband.net says...
"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.21be630427b835039896dc@nntp.earthlink.net...
In article <13l7a3q1lfr3u8c@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in message news:<4753A4F0.E4B08C0D@drunkenbastards.org.ies>:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:45:28 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<rqydncS3kpBkCs7anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13l5r2a9h1e6t8f@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:41:39 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<CMadnbfCzu1Z8s_anZ2dnUVZ_qSonZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:16:07 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<EfadnY0BT_Hlvs_anZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13l3qu6gupc5539@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:31:45 -0800, tankfixer <null@null.org>
wrote in
message
news:<MPG.21bb648bdd7ede429896ab@news.west.earthlink.net>:
In article <13l1uo8pcergh11@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:31:53 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote
in
message
news:<MPG.21ba7584397dd3c69896a5@news.west.earthlink.net>:
In article <7ri1l318luullssde4u22tqukde8vgile3@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:10 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article <bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote
in
message
news:474F02D2.E5CA6B67@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who attack us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the appearance of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar, a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK trysts in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but it is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and do not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and this has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
I would have to disagree.
We had a TAG resign after news got out he was "favoring" one of the
enlisted on the JFHQ staff.
No complaint was made that I am aware of but he we encouraged to step
down.
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
06 Dec 2007 12:36:11 AM |
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tankfixer wrote:
In article <a41da$475642ea$9440b19b$12458@STARBAND.NET>,
billzzstring@starband.net says...
"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.21bfd468df38cdef9896e0@nntp.earthlink.net...
In article <349e8$4754fb0b$9440b19b$22385@STARBAND.NET>,
billzzstring@starband.net says...
"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.21be630427b835039896dc@nntp.earthlink.net...
In article <13l7a3q1lfr3u8c@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in message news:<4753A4F0.E4B08C0D@drunkenbastards.org.ies>:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:45:28 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<rqydncS3kpBkCs7anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13l5r2a9h1e6t8f@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:41:39 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<CMadnbfCzu1Z8s_anZ2dnUVZ_qSonZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13l4ltgfrdsm0a5@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:16:07 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<EfadnY0BT_Hlvs_anZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:31:45 -0800, tankfixer <null@null.org>
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In article <13l1uo8pcergh11@corp.supernews.com>,
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:31:53 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
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news:<MPG.21ba7584397dd3c69896a5@news.west.earthlink.net>:
In article <7ri1l318luullssde4u22tqukde8vgile3@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:10 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article <bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote
in
message
news:474F02D2.E5CA6B67@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who attack us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the appearance of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar, a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK trysts in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but it is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and do not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and this has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
I would have to disagree.
We had a TAG resign after news got out he was "favoring" one of the
enlisted on the JFHQ staff.
No complaint was made that I am aware of but he we encouraged to step
down.
don't bother: he's too st00pid to understand what you're telling him.
redc1c4,
undoubtedly his hand would file a discrimination suit if it could. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
06 Dec 2007 09:11:17 AM |
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"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote in message
news:47579896.F58E8A02@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
tankfixer wrote:
In article <a41da$475642ea$9440b19b$12458@STARBAND.NET>,
billzzstring@starband.net says...
"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.21bfd468df38cdef9896e0@nntp.earthlink.net...
In article <349e8$4754fb0b$9440b19b$22385@STARBAND.NET>,
billzzstring@starband.net says...
"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.21be630427b835039896dc@nntp.earthlink.net...
In article <13l7a3q1lfr3u8c@corp.supernews.com>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote in message
news:<4753A4F0.E4B08C0D@drunkenbastards.org.ies>:
Bill Baker wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:45:28 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
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wrote:
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
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wrote:
In article
<bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the
terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who
attack us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the
appearance of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former
greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also
say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar, a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own
private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone
a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I
answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the
White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The
point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his
personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried
to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you
confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The
only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is
Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying
under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been put
on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to
give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were
early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex
charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of
Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK
trysts in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women
complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but
it is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and
do not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and this
has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior
with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take
advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage
if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
I would have to disagree.
We had a TAG resign after news got out he was "favoring" one of the
enlisted on the JFHQ staff.
No complaint was made that I am aware of but he we encouraged to step
down.
don't bother: he's too st00pid to understand what you're telling him.
redc1c4,
undoubtedly his hand would file a discrimination suit if it could. %-)
--
I don't always agree with Col. Billzz, but he's definitely not *stupid*.
- nilita
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tankfixer wrote:
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billzzstring@starband.net says...
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
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activated_
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:41:10 -0800, tankfixer
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wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
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says...
"redc1c4" <redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>
wrote
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the
terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who
attack us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the
appearance of
doing
something about problems than in actually solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former
greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could also
say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar,
a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own
private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make someone
a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I
answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made the
White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The
point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his
personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried
to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you
confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The
only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is
Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying
under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been
put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to
give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who were
early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex
charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of
Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK
trysts in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women
complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical, but
it is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and
do not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and
this has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior
with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take
advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage
if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
I would have to disagree.
We had a TAG resign after news got out he was "favoring" one of the
enlisted on the JFHQ staff.
No complaint was made that I am aware of but he we encouraged to step
down.
don't bother: he's too st00pid to understand what you're telling him.
redc1c4,
undoubtedly his hand would file a discrimination suit if it could. %-)
--
I don't always agree with Col. Billzz, but he's definitely not *stupid*.
- nilita
I don't think that he was talking about me, but on the other hand, one
definition of stupid is anyone who steps into a USENet argument. Especially
if providing information and not arguing. The arguers will then argue over
the information. The question was answered, but the answer was questioned.
.
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| User: "La N" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
06 Dec 2007 07:42:55 PM |
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"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
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tankfixer wrote:
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billzzstring@starband.net says...
"tankfixer" <null@null.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:39:52 GMT, redc1c4
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wrote:
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<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4"
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote
in
message
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the
terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who
attack us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of cruise
missiles
to
destroy
$5,000 worth of empty tents.
Not much of a punishment....
Clinton was more interested in giving the
appearance of
doing
something about problems than in actually
solving
problems.
The story of his life it seems
That describes Bush more than it does Clinton.
Someone is obsessed....
Obsessed with returning this country to its former
greatness
before
Bush took office? You could say that. You could
also say
I'm
obsessed
with facts and reality.
Clinton was a disgrace. You want to return to a liar,
a
sodomist, and
someone who would turn the White House into his own
private
brothel?
I say that if a ***** is what it takes to make
someone a
good
president,
then line up the presidential whores. Look how good a
president
JFK
was!
You miss the point...as most liberals do...
So what was your point? You asked me a question and I
answered
it.
The point was that he lied. The point was that he made
the White
House into
a brothel. The point is that he cheated on his wife. The
point
is
that his
morals were non-existent. But yet you idolize him.
And my point is that I don't care what he did with his
personal
life.
Neither do most Americans, because he was a good president.
If your wife cheated on you, lied about it, and then tried
to
change
the
meanings of words in the English language when you
confronted
her,
would you
stay with her?
You're mistaking the oath of office for wedding vows. The
only
person
who should care about Bill Clinton's personal affairs is
Hillary.
so you support sexual harassment in the workplace and lying
under
oath?
There was no sexual harassment, and he should have never been
put on
trial
by jealous Republicans for getting a ***** first place.
You condone a superior using his position to get subordinates to
give
him sexual favors in the workplace ?
I wasn't going to say anything, and this will be all, but I worked
"inside
the beltway" and knew of several very high ranking persons who
were early
retired because they were the targets of highly documented sex
charges.
The
difference (which appears straightforward to me) is that it was
consensual,
no matter what anyone thinks of it, because "she" did not press
any
charges.
If you want precedent read Seymour Hersh's, "The Dark Side of
Camelot,"
which documents many more documented (and names the names) JFK
trysts in
the Whitehouse. And the key thing is that none of the women
complained,
so
there was nothing to investigate. And I am mostly apolitical,
but it is
obvious that people who talk about this are mostly politicized and
do not
understand, or care, about the nuances. That's all I have, and
this has
been talked about for too long anyway.
Consenual or not it is never appropriate to engage in that behavior
with
a subordinate.
The supervisor or superior has the responsability to not take
advantage
of those working under him, no matter what thier sex is.
Okay, you are correct, but the law is that no one is taking advantage
if
there is no complaint. No law applies until someone makes a charge.
I would have to disagree.
We had a TAG resign after news got out he was "favoring" one of the
enlisted on the JFHQ staff.
No complaint was made that I am aware of but he we encouraged to step
down.
don't bother: he's too st00pid to understand what you're telling him.
redc1c4,
undoubtedly his hand would file a discrimination suit if it could. %-)
--
I don't always agree with Col. Billzz, but he's definitely not *stupid*.
- nilita
I don't think that he was talking about me, but on the other hand, one
definition of stupid is anyone who steps into a USENet argument.
Especially if providing information and not arguing. The arguers will
then argue over the information. The question was answered, but the
answer was questioned.
Well, there were only 3 people in this post - you, tankfixer, and red. And
red was adding his "amen" to a comment made to you by tankfixer. So, *you*
decide ... ;)
- nilita
.
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| User: "tankfixer" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
06 Dec 2007 08:53:58 PM |
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In article <zy16j.41356$Zn.32915@edtnps90>,
says...
Well, there were only 3 people in this post - you, tankfixer, and red. And
red was adding his "amen" to a comment made to you by tankfixer. So, *you*
decide ... ;)
Then you missed back where I had been replying to Mr Baker.
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| User: "La N" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
06 Dec 2007 07:42:56 PM |
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wrote:
In article
<fg0vk3ds07ck4s9rlv8jifcvhlrfadk4pu@4ax.com>,
activated_
95b@gmail.com says...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:30 -0800, tankfixer
<null@null.org>
wrote:
In article
<bqE3j.2541$NY.34@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
bucky@kaufman.net
says...
"redc1c4"
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote
in
message
news:474F02D2.E5CA6B67@drunkenbastards.org.ies...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Yeah - Clinton failed to let the
terrorists
get
away
with
it.
you misspelled "...encouraged the
terrorists..."
So you think that *punishing* those who
attack us
*encourages*
them?
When did Clinton do punish any ?
By sending $5 million dollars worth of | | | | | | |
