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Religions > Atheism |
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"dapra" |
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05 Nov 2007 01:21:39 PM |
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How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
After more than 4 years of an aggressive, illegal war by the Bush
administration, violating The Constitution, US laws, with the
cooperation, collusion of the Democrats in the last year, it's time to
ask; how to survive a fascist regime or even more to come?
Any ideas? Can it be stopped? Can at least our kids come out in the
other end, battered, ashamed but free, as the Germans did?
Or will it be the end of history? The corporate oligarchy will rule the
globe with its private armys, its surveillance apparatus, and with its
torturers for ever.
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 12:13:52 AM |
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"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qPidnUBzWe6APfnanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
Of course it's not OK. It's war.
When they're killed on American soil in the course of doing peaceful
business, it's a crime. When they're killed in a foreign country
that they invaded, that's war. Responsibility for their deaths
falls on those who started the war and those who cheered them on
as well as those who did the killing.
Would you like a towel to wipe off the blood?
I have left blood in Iraq. You know nothing about it. Those remarkable men
and women serving in Iraq are not being forced to be there against their
wills. They have honor and integrity and courage, things that are foreign
to you. The responsibility for their deaths is because of the war, but they
are there of their own choice. No one forced them to be there...and all are
there because they think it is the right thing to do. They do it for
patriotism, or because they believe in what we are trying to do there, or
because they were raised to give back to the country, or for other reasons.
War is not the fault of any single person. War is a byproduct of the
imperfect nature of man. To say that Bush is responsible for each and every
death is ludicrous.
The dummycrats trying to "de-fund" the war; voting against giving the troops
the materiel they need...those are the things costing lives over there.
You are incapable of understanding the difference between a soldier being
drafted and sent, and someone who has a choice.
None of the amazing men and women serving in Iraq or Afghanistan were
drafted.
Not that you would understand what that means. You are far too
self-centered to ever understand that.
Honu
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 03:16:15 PM |
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In article <d-6dnTaL6dq9X_nanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qPidnUBzWe6APfnanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
Of course it's not OK. It's war.
When they're killed on American soil in the course of doing peaceful
business, it's a crime. When they're killed in a foreign country
that they invaded, that's war. Responsibility for their deaths
falls on those who started the war and those who cheered them on
as well as those who did the killing.
Would you like a towel to wipe off the blood?
I have left blood in Iraq. You know nothing about it. Those remarkable men
and women serving in Iraq are not being forced to be there against their
wills. They have honor and integrity and courage, things that are foreign
to you. The responsibility for their deaths is because of the war, but they
are there of their own choice. No one forced them to be there...and all are
there because they think it is the right thing to do. They do it for
patriotism, or because they believe in what we are trying to do there, or
because they were raised to give back to the country, or for other reasons.
War is not the fault of any single person. War is a byproduct of the
imperfect nature of man. To say that Bush is responsible for each and every
death is ludicrous.
The dummycrats trying to "de-fund" the war; voting against giving the troops
the materiel they need...those are the things costing lives over there.
You are incapable of understanding the difference between a soldier being
drafted and sent, and someone who has a choice.
None of the amazing men and women serving in Iraq or Afghanistan were
drafted.
Not that you would understand what that means. You are far too
self-centered to ever understand that.
Honu
You are full of it. Thousands of those who are serving in Iraq would come
home tomorrow if you gave them the choice and they COULD BRING THEIR BUDDIES
WITH THEM. One of the main reasons soldiers have given for wanting to
re-enlist is that they would feel guilty leaving their buddies behind and
in danger.
All of them had a choice whether they wanted to join the service, but many
of them joined the National Guard, which exists to protect the United States
in the case of insurrection or invasion, not to fight in a foreign war.
That they went when ordered is to their credit, but the WERE ORDERED. They
did not get a call one day that said, "Hey, a bunch of us are going to Iraq
to kick Saddam's *****, wanna come?" When you are in the service, you go
where and when ordered. Many of those who joined the regular services
signed up because they patriotically wanted to go to Afghanistan and take
out the bastards who were behind the 9/11 attacks. And they ended up
fighting in a totally unrelated war two countries over. Who expected that?
But they were in the Army or the Marines and a soldier must follow orders.
As for de-funding the war, it would force Bush to withdraw the troops. It
would not put them in danger. It would remove them from danger, not that
you care.
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 10:36:56 PM |
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"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:SP6dnV5ls6o_CPjanZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <d-6dnTaL6dq9X_nanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qPidnUBzWe6APfnanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
Of course it's not OK. It's war.
When they're killed on American soil in the course of doing peaceful
business, it's a crime. When they're killed in a foreign country
that they invaded, that's war. Responsibility for their deaths
falls on those who started the war and those who cheered them on
as well as those who did the killing.
Would you like a towel to wipe off the blood?
I have left blood in Iraq. You know nothing about it. Those remarkable
men
and women serving in Iraq are not being forced to be there against their
wills. They have honor and integrity and courage, things that are
foreign
to you. The responsibility for their deaths is because of the war, but
they
are there of their own choice. No one forced them to be there...and all
are
there because they think it is the right thing to do. They do it for
patriotism, or because they believe in what we are trying to do there, or
because they were raised to give back to the country, or for other
reasons.
War is not the fault of any single person. War is a byproduct of the
imperfect nature of man. To say that Bush is responsible for each and
every
death is ludicrous.
The dummycrats trying to "de-fund" the war; voting against giving the
troops
the materiel they need...those are the things costing lives over there.
You are incapable of understanding the difference between a soldier being
drafted and sent, and someone who has a choice.
None of the amazing men and women serving in Iraq or Afghanistan were
drafted.
Not that you would understand what that means. You are far too
self-centered to ever understand that.
Honu
You are full of it. Thousands of those who are serving in Iraq would come
home tomorrow if you gave them the choice and they COULD BRING THEIR
BUDDIES
WITH THEM.
ANd that has nothihng to do with what I psoted. There is a right way and a
wrong way to leave Iraq, and your solution is definitely the wrong way.
You, being a liberal pacifist at heart, would liek to tke the easy way out
without any consideration of the consequences.
One of the main reasons soldiers have given for wanting to
re-enlist is that they would feel guilty leaving their buddies behind and
in danger.
How would you know? You read the liberal propaganda and think it represents
the truth.
I can tell you that not wanting to leave your buddies is part of it. It is
not the main reason.
If you had ever found yourself in that situation, you would know...
All of them had a choice whether they wanted to join the service, but many
of them joined the National Guard, which exists to protect the United
States
in the case of insurrection or invasion, not to fight in a foreign war.
Then why are they allowed to be deployed? Are you familiar with the C&C of
the military, and how both the Guard and Reserves can be allocated in time
of combat?
That they went when ordered is to their credit, but the WERE ORDERED.
Is there a point in that somewhere?
They
did not get a call one day that said, "Hey, a bunch of us are going to
Iraq
to kick Saddam's *****, wanna come?" When you are in the service, you go
where and when ordered. Many of those who joined the regular services
signed up because they patriotically wanted to go to Afghanistan and take
out the bastards who were behind the 9/11 attacks.
If they were COHORT or signed up knowing what MOS and unit they were going
to, then yes. But most recruits do not knwo what unit they will be assigned
to until they receive ther PCS orders at either basic training otr AIT. In
the majority of the recruits, your point does not apply.
And they ended up
fighting in a totally unrelated war two countries over.
So you are saying there is a difference in the *LOCATION* of a war?
Who expected that?
Anyone joining after the invasion in 2003....
But they were in the Army or the Marines and a soldier must follow orders.
Well, what do you know... you finally got one right....
As for de-funding the war, it would force Bush to withdraw the troops.
And disgrace the country. And give al Qaeda a huge victory. Tell the world
that all they have to is wait until the democrats are in charge and they
will turn tail and run....
It
would not put them in danger.
Yet you still do not consider the consequences of pulling them out....
It would remove them from danger, not that
you care.
I care far more than you do. I was lucky, I came back alive with all my
limbs. I knew many who came back either dead or far more damaged that I
was. I wish they did not have to go. I wish I did not have to go. But I am
not a coward, and I realize that we started something that must be finished.
Cowardice is not the answer. It never will be. You must see it just the
opposite; cowardice is the solution. I feel sorry for you.
Honu
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 12:36:28 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:13:52 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<d-6dnTaL6dq9X_nanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qPidnUBzWe6APfnanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
Of course it's not OK. It's war.
When they're killed on American soil in the course of doing peaceful
business, it's a crime. When they're killed in a foreign country
that they invaded, that's war. Responsibility for their deaths
falls on those who started the war and those who cheered them on
as well as those who did the killing.
Would you like a towel to wipe off the blood?
I have left blood in Iraq. You know nothing about it. Those remarkable men
and women serving in Iraq are not being forced to be there against their
wills. They have honor and integrity and courage, things that are foreign
to you. The responsibility for their deaths is because of the war, but they
are there of their own choice. No one forced them to be there...and all are
there because they think it is the right thing to do.
Is that why the most campaign donations from those in the military are
going toward Democratic candidates? And the one Republican candidate
they are mostly donating to (Ron Paul) has also promised to get us out
of Iraq? Yeah, sounds like they really think it's the "right thing
to do."
They do it for patriotism, or because they believe in what we are trying
to do there, or because they were raised to give back to the country,
or for other reasons.
War is not the fault of any single person. War is a byproduct of the
imperfect nature of man. To say that Bush is responsible for each and every
death is ludicrous.
The dummycrats trying to "de-fund" the war; voting against giving the troops
the materiel they need...those are the things costing lives over there.
Nice spin...especially when it was the Republican president and the
Republican congress who got us into this ill-advised war in the first
place. Even George Bush Sr. (in 1996) and ***** Cheney (in 1993) said it
would be a bad idea to march on Baghdad. They said it would cost too
many lives and tie our military up indefinitely. And darn it all if
their predictions didn't come true.
--
Bushism 3-9:
"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job
to interpret law."
--Austin, Texas; November 22, 2000
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 01:11:24 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m9hrc490soiae@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:13:52 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<d-6dnTaL6dq9X_nanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qPidnUBzWe6APfnanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
Of course it's not OK. It's war.
When they're killed on American soil in the course of doing peaceful
business, it's a crime. When they're killed in a foreign country
that they invaded, that's war. Responsibility for their deaths
falls on those who started the war and those who cheered them on
as well as those who did the killing.
Would you like a towel to wipe off the blood?
I have left blood in Iraq. You know nothing about it. Those remarkable
men
and women serving in Iraq are not being forced to be there against their
wills. They have honor and integrity and courage, things that are
foreign
to you. The responsibility for their deaths is because of the war, but
they
are there of their own choice. No one forced them to be there...and all
are
there because they think it is the right thing to do.
Is that why the most campaign donations from those in the military are
going toward Democratic candidates? And the one Republican candidate
they are mostly donating to (Ron Paul) has also promised to get us out
of Iraq? Yeah, sounds like they really think it's the "right thing
to do."
They do it for patriotism, or because they believe in what we are trying
to do there, or because they were raised to give back to the country,
or for other reasons.
War is not the fault of any single person. War is a byproduct of the
imperfect nature of man. To say that Bush is responsible for each and
every
death is ludicrous.
The dummycrats trying to "de-fund" the war; voting against giving the
troops
the materiel they need...those are the things costing lives over there.
Nice spin...especially when it was the Republican president and the
Republican congress who got us into this ill-advised war in the first
place.
There"s the spin...we weren't talking about who started it...we were talking
about funding it....
Even George Bush Sr. (in 1996) and ***** Cheney (in 1993) said it
would be a bad idea to march on Baghdad.
What does that have to do with the dummycrats trying to undermine our troops
in Iraq *today*?
Notice your attempt at diversion didn't work...
They said it would cost too
many lives and tie our military up indefinitely.
You mean that Clinton didn't fly in wearing his Superman costume and "save
the world yet again"....?
And darn it all if
their predictions didn't come true.
How would you know? You've been wrong about everything else...
Honu
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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16 Dec 2007 10:40:27 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:11:24 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<vp-dnTgS4O4BUvnanZ2dnUVZ_q2hnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m9hrc490soiae@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:13:52 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<d-6dnTaL6dq9X_nanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qPidnUBzWe6APfnanZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
Of course it's not OK. It's war.
When they're killed on American soil in the course of doing peaceful
business, it's a crime. When they're killed in a foreign country
that they invaded, that's war. Responsibility for their deaths
falls on those who started the war and those who cheered them on
as well as those who did the killing.
Would you like a towel to wipe off the blood?
I have left blood in Iraq. You know nothing about it. Those remarkable
men
and women serving in Iraq are not being forced to be there against their
wills. They have honor and integrity and courage, things that are
foreign
to you. The responsibility for their deaths is because of the war, but
they
are there of their own choice. No one forced them to be there...and all
are
there because they think it is the right thing to do.
Is that why the most campaign donations from those in the military are
going toward Democratic candidates? And the one Republican candidate
they are mostly donating to (Ron Paul) has also promised to get us out
of Iraq? Yeah, sounds like they really think it's the "right thing
to do."
They do it for patriotism, or because they believe in what we are trying
to do there, or because they were raised to give back to the country,
or for other reasons.
War is not the fault of any single person. War is a byproduct of the
imperfect nature of man. To say that Bush is responsible for each and
every
death is ludicrous.
The dummycrats trying to "de-fund" the war; voting against giving the
troops
the materiel they need...those are the things costing lives over there.
Nice spin...especially when it was the Republican president and the
Republican congress who got us into this ill-advised war in the first
place.
There"s the spin...we weren't talking about who started it...we were talking
about funding it....
It's a good idea to defund something that hasn't been working if the
president stubbornly refuses to do it any differently. Besides, the
Democrats are only making it look like they want to defund the war.
They're too much of a ***** to actually do it.
Even George Bush Sr. (in 1996) and ***** Cheney (in 1993) said it
would be a bad idea to march on Baghdad.
What does that have to do with the dummycrats trying to undermine our troops
in Iraq *today*?
They're not trying.
Notice your attempt at diversion didn't work...
They said it would cost too
many lives and tie our military up indefinitely.
You mean that Clinton didn't fly in wearing his Superman costume and "save
the world yet again"....?
Now who's trying to divert the conversation? At least Clinton was smart
enough not to march on Baghdad.
And darn it all if
their predictions didn't come true.
How would you know?
Because in case you didn't notice, our troops are tied up indefinitely
in Iraq and almost 4,000 troops have died in terrorist attacks.
You've been wrong about everything else...
You're confusing me with you.
--
Bushism 10-6:
"I think we agree, the past is over."
--On his meeting with John McCain; as quoted in the Dallas Morning News;
May 10, 2000
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 03:17:44 PM |
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In article <13m9hrc490soiae@corp.supernews.com>,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Nice spin...especially when it was the Republican president and the
Republican congress who got us into this ill-advised war in the first
place. Even George Bush Sr. (in 1996) and ***** Cheney (in 1993) said it
would be a bad idea to march on Baghdad. They said it would cost too
many lives and tie our military up indefinitely. And darn it all if
their predictions didn't come true.
And I think Cheney didn't change his mind about whether it would tie up
troops indefinitely. He changed his mind about whether tying up the Army
indefinitely was a good idea.
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 10:37:26 PM |
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"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:SP6dnVlls6pnCPjanZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <13m9hrc490soiae@corp.supernews.com>,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Nice spin...especially when it was the Republican president and the
Republican congress who got us into this ill-advised war in the first
place. Even George Bush Sr. (in 1996) and ***** Cheney (in 1993) said it
would be a bad idea to march on Baghdad. They said it would cost too
many lives and tie our military up indefinitely. And darn it all if
their predictions didn't come true.
And I think
Rarely if ever....
Cheney didn't change his mind about whether it would tie up
troops indefinitely. He changed his mind about whether tying up the Army
indefinitely was a good idea.
Honu
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
17 Dec 2007 12:36:58 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:17:44 -0700, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:<SP6dnVlls6pnCPjanZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com>:
In article <13m9hrc490soiae@corp.supernews.com>,
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Nice spin...especially when it was the Republican president and the
Republican congress who got us into this ill-advised war in the first
place. Even George Bush Sr. (in 1996) and ***** Cheney (in 1993) said it
would be a bad idea to march on Baghdad. They said it would cost too
many lives and tie our military up indefinitely. And darn it all if
their predictions didn't come true.
And I think Cheney didn't change his mind about whether it would tie up
troops indefinitely. He changed his mind about whether tying up the Army
indefinitely was a good idea.
You're probably right. I also think that part of it had to do with
defending the actions of the administration in 1991 and in 2003. He
must defend anything the Republicans do no matter if he agrees with
them or not.
--
....love and pity for hell's occupants will not enter our hearts.
- J. I. Packer, "Hell's Final Enigma," Christianity Today, April 22,
2002 (Mr. Packer is an executive director of Christianity Today, and
professor of theology at Regent College in Vancouver.)
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
15 Dec 2007 06:26:32 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m49jl21vfe149@corp.supernews.com...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<FJydncchg9ZXvf_anZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:G9ednSXqNbR0gv_anZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qaqdnbnmXILtj__anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the U.S. that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and commision of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place, after he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the Chinese to get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted for during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world that is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
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<WiLdSeXyPrInCeSs> i luv guyz where would they be wifout us gals???
<XeNoX> Still in the Garden Of Eden you gullible *****.
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15 Dec 2007 11:24:30 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m7hvocqjsrne4@corp.supernews.com...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m49jl21vfe149@corp.supernews.com...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<FJydncchg9ZXvf_anZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:G9ednSXqNbR0gv_anZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qaqdnbnmXILtj__anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the U.S.
that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and commision
of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place, after he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an
American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the Chinese to
get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three
months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted for
during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change the
direction of the thread.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Honu
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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15 Dec 2007 09:54:09 PM |
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In article <b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m7hvocqjsrne4@corp.supernews.com...
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change the
direction of the thread.
Which are crimes. Except when they occur in a war against combatants.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Why did you answer a question he didn't ask?
It really isn't relevant whether the troops volunteered to be in the
Armed Forces. Command, right up to the Commander-in-Chief becomes
responsible for them when they are inducted.
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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16 Dec 2007 12:16:09 AM |
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"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:JPGdnc8gyP3_PPnanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m7hvocqjsrne4@corp.supernews.com...
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change the
direction of the thread.
Which are crimes. Except when they occur in a war against combatants.
And yet you would leave those crimes up-prosecuted. Sad.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have
in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Why did you answer a question he didn't ask?
Why do you ask a question that is unnecessary?
It really isn't relevant whether the troops volunteered to be in the
Armed Forces.
It most certainly is.
Command, right up to the Commander-in-Chief becomes
responsible for them when they are inducted.
Yes, but they are inducted voluntarily. They know what the odds are...yet
they are still honorable and brave enough to enlist.
You'll never understand that because you would never do anything that did
not directly and immediately benefit you personally.
Honu
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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17 Dec 2007 10:40:50 PM |
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In article <rMmdnaravo43X_nanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:JPGdnc8gyP3_PPnanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change the
direction of the thread.
Which are crimes. Except when they occur in a war against combatants.
And yet you would leave those crimes up-prosecuted. Sad.
Why are you lying?
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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17 Dec 2007 11:08:56 PM |
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"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:Z-idneMIoM_J0vranZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <rMmdnaravo43X_nanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:JPGdnc8gyP3_PPnanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change
the
direction of the thread.
Which are crimes. Except when they occur in a war against combatants.
And yet you would leave those crimes up-prosecuted. Sad.
Why are you lying?
Why are you calling it lying?
Your arguments are illogical at best.
Honu
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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18 Dec 2007 10:51:16 PM |
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In article <n7adnfI-1Pt0yPranZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:Z-idneMIoM_J0vranZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <rMmdnaravo43X_nanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:JPGdnc8gyP3_PPnanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change
the
direction of the thread.
Which are crimes. Except when they occur in a war against combatants.
And yet you would leave those crimes up-prosecuted. Sad.
Why are you lying?
Why are you calling it lying?
Your arguments are illogical at best.
I'm calling it lying because you are saying something that is untrue,
and that you know to be untrue. If you lie, I will call you a liar,
Donut.
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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19 Dec 2007 01:26:12 AM |
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"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:FIudnds85O3bPvXanZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <n7adnfI-1Pt0yPranZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:Z-idneMIoM_J0vranZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <rMmdnaravo43X_nanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:JPGdnc8gyP3_PPnanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and
change
the
direction of the thread.
Which are crimes. Except when they occur in a war against
combatants.
And yet you would leave those crimes up-prosecuted. Sad.
Why are you lying?
Why are you calling it lying?
Your arguments are illogical at best.
I'm calling it lying because you are saying something that is untrue,
How so?
and that you know to be untrue.
????
If you lie, I will call you a liar,
I have not lied at all.
Honu
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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15 Dec 2007 04:56:22 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:24:30 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m7hvocqjsrne4@corp.supernews.com...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m49jl21vfe149@corp.supernews.com...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<FJydncchg9ZXvf_anZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:G9ednSXqNbR0gv_anZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qaqdnbnmXILtj__anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the U.S.
that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and commision
of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place, after he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an
American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the Chinese to
get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three
months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted for
during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
No misdirection here. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
Can you prove they were unprovoked? There must have been something
going on in the attackers' minds that made them want to kill us. You
know, other than "they hate our freedoms."
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change the
direction of the thread.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Ah, so that makes it OK to kill them. Good to know that all you think
our troops are good for is cannon fodder.
--
<xterm> The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should
be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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15 Dec 2007 08:36:17 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m8msmhmf10m93@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:24:30 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m7hvocqjsrne4@corp.supernews.com...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m49jl21vfe149@corp.supernews.com...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<FJydncchg9ZXvf_anZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:G9ednSXqNbR0gv_anZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qaqdnbnmXILtj__anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the U.S.
that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and commision
of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during
whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place, after
he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an
American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the Chinese to
get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three
months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted for
during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
No misdirection here. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
Can you prove they were unprovoked? There must have been something
going on in the attackers' minds that made them want to kill us. You
know, other than "they hate our freedoms."
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change the
direction of the thread.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have
in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Ah, so that makes it OK to kill them. Good to know that all you think
our troops are good for is cannon fodder.
If you fail to understand the difference, then debate is pointless.
You are truly pathetic.
I was there for a year, asswipe.
Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity.
Honu
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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15 Dec 2007 11:15:27 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:36:17 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<eo2dnSlmTu2_EvnanZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m8msmhmf10m93@corp.supernews.com...
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:24:30 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<b92dnfCvWflSkPnanZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m7hvocqjsrne4@corp.supernews.com...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:13m49jl21vfe149@corp.supernews.com...
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<FJydncchg9ZXvf_anZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:G9ednSXqNbR0gv_anZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
news:qaqdnbnmXILtj__anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article <9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the U.S.
that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and commision
of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during
whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place, after
he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an
American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the Chinese to
get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three
months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted for
during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
No misdirection here. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
Can you prove they were unprovoked? There must have been something
going on in the attackers' minds that made them want to kill us. You
know, other than "they hate our freedoms."
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change the
direction of the thread.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have
in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Ah, so that makes it OK to kill them. Good to know that all you think
our troops are good for is cannon fodder.
If you fail to understand the difference, then debate is pointless.
You are truly pathetic.
I was there for a year, asswipe.
Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity.
No, I understand perfectly well. You think that just because someone
volunteers for the military, that means that they should gladly die
for a poorly planned war and occupation thus making their lives worth
less than a civilian life.
--
<Mendo> lmao there's a wicked lookign spider on my monitor and if i move
the mouse around he chases after it
<spitfire> haha mendo
<spitfire> take a screen shot
<spitfire> wait
<spitfire> that made no sense
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16 Dec 2007 12:21:58 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:36:17 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:24:30 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut
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In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in
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In article <9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the
U.S.
that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and
commision
of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during
whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place, after
he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy
that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an
American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the Chinese
to
get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three
months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted for
during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
No misdirection here. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
Can you prove they were unprovoked? There must have been something
going on in the attackers' minds that made them want to kill us. You
know, other than "they hate our freedoms."
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change
the
direction of the thread.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have
in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Ah, so that makes it OK to kill them. Good to know that all you think
our troops are good for is cannon fodder.
If you fail to understand the difference, then debate is pointless.
You are truly pathetic.
I was there for a year, asswipe.
Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity.
No, I understand perfectly well. You think that just because someone
volunteers for the military, that means that they should gladly die
for a poorly planned war and occupation thus making their lives worth
less than a civilian life.
No, you just fail to understand that someone who thinks like you do would
not enlist. Thankfully, there are more people who think that joining the
military during this part of our country's history is the right thing to do.
It is clear that you will never be able to see past your own prejudice and
hatred.
Honu
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 12:42:53 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:21:58 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<ouCdnUvyzpyaWfnanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:36:17 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<eo2dnSlmTu2_EvnanZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:24:30 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
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In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in
message
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In article <9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the
U.S.
that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and
commision
of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during
whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place, after
he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy
that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an
American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the Chinese
to
get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three
months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted for
during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
No misdirection here. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
Can you prove they were unprovoked? There must have been something
going on in the attackers' minds that made them want to kill us. You
know, other than "they hate our freedoms."
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change
the
direction of the thread.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we have
in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Ah, so that makes it OK to kill them. Good to know that all you think
our troops are good for is cannon fodder.
If you fail to understand the difference, then debate is pointless.
You are truly pathetic.
I was there for a year, asswipe.
Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity.
No, I understand perfectly well. You think that just because someone
volunteers for the military, that means that they should gladly die
for a poorly planned war and occupation thus making their lives worth
less than a civilian life.
No, you just fail to understand that someone who thinks like you do would
not enlist.
Actually, I tried to enlist twice. The only thing that stopped me was
a curved spine.
Thankfully, there are more people who think that joining the
military during this part of our country's history is the right thing to do.
And more people who are actually fighting right now who think we
should be out of Iraq.
It is clear that you will never be able to see past your own prejudice and
hatred.
More projection on your part.
--
Bushism 3-29:
"Listen, Al Gore is a very tough opponent. He is the incumbent. He
represents the incumbency. And a challenger is somebody who generally
comes from the pack and wins, if you're going to win. And that's where
I'm coming from."
--Detroit, Michigan; September 7, 2000
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| User: "Hertz Donut" |
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| Title: Re: How to survive a fascist regime to come? |
16 Dec 2007 01:12:34 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:21:58 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message news:<ouCdnUvyzpyaWfnanZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:36:17 -1000, Hertz Donut <somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:24:30 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:37:44 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<EbqdnT_5KPzED_7anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:57 -1000, Hertz Donut
<somewhere@outthere.net>
wrote in message
news:<FJydncchg9ZXvf_anZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in
message
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In article <2qadneXtmeeYgP_anZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in
message
news:qaqdnbnmXILtj__anZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
In article
<9sidnSqxD8BcYfzanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net>,
"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:
What cowardice are you speaking of?
The failure of Clinton to prosecute all the attacks on the
U.S.
that
occured
during his watch. His failure to stop the planning and
commision
of
the
events of 9/11.
Can be even more directly assigned to George W. Bush, during
whose
term
the final planning and execution of that plot took place,
after
he
ignored
all the warning signs. He was already focused on invading
Iraq
months
before the 9/11 attack.
Well, with that one sentence you managed to completely destroy
that
tiny
shred of credibility you had left.
You want to talk about cowardice? Who was President when an
American
spy plane was forced down in China and who allowed the
Chinese
to
get
away with taking it apart and sending it home in pieces three
months
later? And who APOLOGIZED for this incident? Ring any
bells?
How about all the attacks on U.S. soil that went unaccounted
for
during
the
Clinton brothel era?
Honu
SUCH AS?
USS Cole
Not on U.S. soil.
Khobar Towers
Not on U.S. soil.
No less than 7 Embassies bombed.
None of which were on U.S. soil.
U.S. Embassies *ARE* U.S. soil...
As an aside...if American citizens are killed anywhere in the world
that
is
not on American soil, it's okay?
You mean like our troops that are getting killed over in Iraq from
terrorist attacks due to Bush's incompetence and bungling? Oh
that's
right, IOKIYAR.
Nice try at misdirection.
No misdirection here. Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy.
I was referring to unprovoked attacks on our peoples and assets.
Can you prove they were unprovoked? There must have been something
going on in the attackers' minds that made them want to kill us. You
know, other than "they hate our freedoms."
But since you cannot refute, you feel it necessary to try and change
the
direction of the thread.
To answer your question; each and every one of the troops that we
have
in
Iraq is a volunteer. No one forced them to go.
Not that you would see the difference....
Ah, so that makes it OK to kill them. Good to know that all you think
our troops are good for is cannon fodder.
If you fail to understand the difference, then debate is pointless.
You are truly pathetic.
I was there for a year, asswipe.
Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity.
No, I understand perfectly well. You think that just because someone
volunteers for the military, that means that they should gladly die
for a poorly planned war and occupation thus making their lives worth
less than a civilian life.
No, you just fail to understand that someone who thinks like you do would
not enlist.
Actually, I tried to enlist twice. The only thing that stopped me was
a curved spine.
Thankfully, there are more people who think that joining the
military during this part of our country's history is the right thing to
do.
And more people who are actually fighting right now who think we
should be out of Iraq.
It is clear that you will never be able to see past your own prejudice
and
hatred.
More projection on your part.
Guess you missed the part where I was describing *you*....
Honu
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