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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:41:37 -0600, Sanders Kaufman
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Right. And I think that it's a pity that that's pretty
much
the only
reason Democrats are getting elected.

Well - that and because they're fully qualified,
time-tested,
and
dedicated
in their pursuit of the goal.

I'm not saying you're wrong but it just seems to me that
the
main
reason they're getting elected is the anti-Bush sentiment
that
is
prevalent in this country. And they can't run on that
forever.

All they need is a generation or two.

Let's hope. :-)

It will take time for the media and the people to think
highly
of
President Bush, but everyone says nice things about the guy
in
the
coffin during the funeral despite what is really on their
mind
at
the moment.

Did they say nice things about Hitler when he died? Do you
think
they'll say nice things about Fred Phelps when he dies? By the
time Bush dies he'll have spent a few years in prison, if
there's
any justice in the world. And even if he doesn't and people
start
to forget just how bad a president he was, people like me will
be
there to remind them.

you can always hope they discover a cure for BDS.....

redc1c4,
(since it's obvious you have a very bad case of it. %-)

You could always hope they discover a cure for fact and reality
denial.

The Democratic Party ?

Yes, the Democratic Party does seem to be a bit more in touch with
facts and reality than Republicans.

How about this one:

"I did not have sex with that woman...."

How about this one:

"We have found weapons of mass destruction."
"We will be greeted as liberators."
"The insurgency is in its last throes."

Not much, but at least a little bit.

Are you using a scanning electron microscope to find any honesty
among
the
dummycrats?

At least I would find some, unlike in the Republicans.

It is easily found among Republicans, even without a microscope.

Only by the delusional.

"I did not have sex with that woman"....

"We have found weapons of mass destruction."
"We will be greeted as liberators."
"The insurgency is in its last throes."
"I am not gay."
"I have a wide stance."
"The Democrats forced us to go to war."

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is
real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority
to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a
real
and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That
is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We
want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and
security
of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9,
1998
| Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and
he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate
of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th!
e
means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is
in
power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within
the
next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
members
... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical
warfare,
and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source



Do you want to play this silly game forever?

Sure, I'm game.

*Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman was charged with
two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the
delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to
a child.

*Republican prosecutor John David Roy Atchison was arrested for
soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three
weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant
U.S. attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general.

*Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police
began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls,
including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.

*Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls
under the age of 16.

*Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found
guilty of fondling underage girls.

* Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for
having sex with a 14-year old boy.

* Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered
to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and
13.

* Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting
sex from 13-year old girls.

* Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days
in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year
period.

* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with
molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.

* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from
Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him
flirting with a 16-year old boy.

* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative
Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a
13-year old girl on the internet.

* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres
confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to
charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has
repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling
a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex
with a 5-year old boy.

* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of
an associate in the petition business.

* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to
fondling a 14-year-old girl.

* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins
pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted
child molester.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence
in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child
pornography over the internet.

* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of
soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
in prison.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with
molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran
church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual
act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded
guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a
bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old
girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced
to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom
appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

* Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual
photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.

* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty
to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five
years later on the same charge.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of
child pornography on his home computer.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to
exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a
14-year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found
guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30
months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate
Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of
soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in
prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed
reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage
girls.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation"
Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced
to six years in prison.

* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development
Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography
on his computer.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen,
62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1
million to have sex with a large number of young women.

* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape
of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into
providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt
of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.

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