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"Jim Roberts" |
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15 Mar 2007 06:01:04 PM |
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How Useful is Atheism? |
How Useful is Atheism?
Can you eat it? Does it feed you? Does it house and clothe you?
How useful is it? Is it just a philosophy, a logic of no use
whatsoever?
What do you do once you are an atheist? What point is there to life
anymore?
Why bother if there is nothing more to bother about? No doubts, no
fundamental questions left, nothing! Just emptiness of feeling.
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
Is this nothing more than nihilism?
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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17 Mar 2007 08:35:10 AM |
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On Mar 17, 9:15 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:04:17 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1442gttyxq4nj.pt42m03hlanw.dlg@40tude.net...
(snip)
Nominated portion.
Other people's gods mean nothing to atheists. Because we're not bound
by bronze age rules and myths, we're free to live in today's world.
Because our actions aren't proscribed in any way by meaningless rituals
or pointless calendar observations, we can experience life in full.
Save your condescending pity for the Christians who can't even think
certain thought without being damned, or the Jews who can't push buttons
or cook on Saturdays, or the Moslems whose lives come crashing to a halt
five times a day. We don't need it.
By L. Raymond
Seconds?
(I love the part about Moslem lives crashing to a halt five times a day!
What a great turn of phrase.)
Atheists get a special invitation to eternal torment in hell.
Do all theists go to Heaven? In that case, Hell would be a good
vacation destination.
Martin
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM: How Useful is Atheism? |
15 Mar 2007 09:37:11 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:04:17 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1442gttyxq4nj.pt42m03hlanw.dlg@40tude.net... (snip)
Nominated portion.
Other people's gods mean nothing to atheists. Because we're not bound
by bronze age rules and myths, we're free to live in today's world.
Because our actions aren't proscribed in any way by meaningless rituals
or pointless calendar observations, we can experience life in full.
Save your condescending pity for the Christians who can't even think
certain thought without being damned, or the Jews who can't push
buttons or cook on Saturdays, or the Moslems whose lives come crashing
to a halt five times a day. We don't need it.
By L. Raymond
Seconds?
(I love the part about Moslem lives crashing to a halt five times a day!
What a great turn of phrase.)
Seconded.
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Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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19 Mar 2007 06:47:19 PM |
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In article <pan.2007.03.16.02.37.09@exit.com>,
Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:04:17 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote:
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1442gttyxq4nj.pt42m03hlanw.dlg@40tude.net... (snip)
Nominated portion.
Other people's gods mean nothing to atheists. Because we're not bound
by bronze age rules and myths, we're free to live in today's world.
Because our actions aren't proscribed in any way by meaningless rituals
or pointless calendar observations, we can experience life in full.
Save your condescending pity for the Christians who can't even think
certain thought without being damned, or the Jews who can't push
buttons or cook on Saturdays, or the Moslems whose lives come crashing
to a halt five times a day. We don't need it.
By L. Raymond
Seconds?
(I love the part about Moslem lives crashing to a halt five times a day!
What a great turn of phrase.)
Seconded.
Recorded.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM: How Useful is Atheism? |
15 Mar 2007 11:22:44 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> bloodied us up
with this:
(I love the part about Moslem lives crashing to a halt five times a day!
What a great turn of phrase.)
Me too. And it's absolutely correct. Imagine a Muslim surgeon performing
a critical open-heart procedure, and having to pause it while he turns to
face Mecca, ***** in the air. If the patient dies because of this insanity,
it would be because Allah willed it so, so what does it matter?
I don't know, ask the patient's family...
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM: How Useful is Atheism? |
16 Mar 2007 05:04:43 PM |
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On 16 Mar 2007 04:22:44 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> bloodied us up
with this:
(I love the part about Moslem lives crashing to a halt five times a day!
What a great turn of phrase.)
Me too. And it's absolutely correct. Imagine a Muslim surgeon performing
a critical open-heart procedure, and having to pause it while he turns to
face Mecca, ***** in the air. If the patient dies because of this insanity,
it would be because Allah willed it so, so what does it matter?
I don't know, ask the patient's family...
Surely there must be exceptions in Muslim law when it comes to savings lives.
Ben
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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18 Mar 2007 05:35:34 PM |
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Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in
news:fu4mv2lkvd2q5d3kdk1eaarf8mo31kpcqg@4ax.com:
On 16 Mar 2007 04:22:44 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
bloodied us up with this:
(I love the part about Moslem lives crashing to a halt five
times a day! What a great turn of phrase.)
Me too. And it's absolutely correct. Imagine a Muslim surgeon
performing a critical open-heart procedure, and having to pause
it while he turns to face Mecca, ***** in the air. If the patient
dies because of this insanity, it would be because Allah willed
it so, so what does it matter?
I don't know, ask the patient's family...
Surely there must be exceptions in Muslim law when it comes to
savings lives.
As I understand it, the praying times are not that fixed. A muslim
surgeon who knows that s/he is going to be operating when a it is time
for praying can do that praying before the surgery, or postpone it
until afterwards. I have a faint memory of hearing that the only fixed
rule about praying times is that praying at exact noon is not allowed,
but that could be my memory going somewhere.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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17 Mar 2007 08:12:46 AM |
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On Mar 17, 6:04 am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-
doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
On 16 Mar 2007 04:22:44 GMT, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> bloodied us up
with this:
(I love the part about Moslem lives crashing to a halt five times a day!
What a great turn of phrase.)
Me too. And it's absolutely correct. Imagine a Muslim surgeon performing
a critical open-heart procedure, and having to pause it while he turns to
face Mecca, ***** in the air. If the patient dies because of this insanity,
it would be because Allah willed it so, so what does it matter?
I don't know, ask the patient's family...
Surely there must be exceptions in Muslim law when it comes to savings lives.
What does any convinced theist care about saving lives? The good
people will go on to heaven / paradise / the afterlife and the rest
are condemned by their God.
Martin
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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15 Mar 2007 08:47:15 PM |
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On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700 there was an Ancient "Jim Roberts"
<cjdroberts@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
How Useful is Atheism?
How useful is any belief system?
Can you eat it? Does it feed you? Does it house and clothe you?
Does Christianity? I work with a devout Catholic. He still has to
drive a truck for 8-10 hours a day to make money.
How useful is it? Is it just a philosophy, a logic of no use
whatsoever?
Why does it have to be useful?
What do you do once you are an atheist? What point is there to life
anymore?
Baseball. Seeing penguins in the wild. Seeing what happens tomorrow.
Is your life so absolutely empty that the only thing that keeps you
going is the promising that things will be better when you die?
Why bother if there is nothing more to bother about? No doubts, no
fundamental questions left, nothing! Just emptiness of feeling.
Man, do you assume a great deal. Just because we don't share your
particular set of beliefs, we're soulless Goth robots? Hardly! This
will shock and amaze you, but being an atheist does not preclude
having faith and hope. Every year I believe that this is the year my
beloved Giants win the World Series, and hold that hope until the
moment we are eliminated. Every time I buy a lottery ticket, I hope
that it will be the winning one so I can fulfil my dream of riding Hwy
80 coast to coast.
Empty of feeling? I love my wife with passion. I hate the Dodgers
with every of my being. I'm proud of my military service.
As for fundamental questions, I'm an amateur astronomer.. you want
questions? Ask us! We got loads, and every answer we find turns up
ten more questions. Hell, you're the ones with no fundamental
questions! You've answered them all: God did it.
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
Is this nothing more than nihilism?
*sigh* No, it is simply NOT BELIEVING IN DEITIES! Crap, why is this
so hard for you tools to understand? Seriously, what do you think our
lives are like?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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17 Mar 2007 11:11:43 AM |
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On Mar 16, 1:47 am, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700 there was an Ancient "JimRoberts"
<cjdrobe...@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
How Useful is Atheism?
How useful is any belief system?
Can you eat it? Does it feed you? Does it house and clothe you?
Does Christianity? I work with a devout Catholic. He still has to
drive a truck for 8-10 hours a day to make money.
How useful is it? Is it just a philosophy, a logic of no use
whatsoever?
Why does it have to be useful?
What do you do once you are an atheist? What point is there to life
anymore?
Baseball. Seeing penguins in the wild. Seeing what happens tomorrow.
Is your life so absolutely empty that the only thing that keeps you
going is the promising that things will be better when you die?
Why bother if there is nothing more to bother about? No doubts, no
fundamental questions left, nothing! Just emptiness of feeling.
Man, do you assume a great deal. Just because we don't share your
particular set of beliefs, we're soulless Goth robots? Hardly! This
will shock and amaze you, but being an atheist does not preclude
having faith and hope. Every year I believe that this is the year my
beloved Giants win the World Series, and hold that hope until the
moment we are eliminated. Every time I buy a lottery ticket, I hope
that it will be the winning one so I can fulfil my dream of riding Hwy
80 coast to coast.
Empty of feeling? I love my wife with passion. I hate the Dodgers
with every of my being. I'm proud of my military service.
As for fundamental questions, I'm an amateur astronomer.. you want
questions? Ask us! We got loads, and every answer we find turns up
ten more questions. Hell, you're the ones with no fundamental
questions! You've answered them all: God did it.
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
Is this nothing more than nihilism?
*sigh* No, it is simply NOT BELIEVING IN DEITIES! Crap, why is this
so hard for you tools to understand? Seriously, what do you think our
lives are like?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
No, it's more than that. Someone else on this board in this same
discussion thread and in your camp, said that
Atheism and A-Tooth Faerieism [not believing in the tooth fairy] were
the same thing.
Extending this logically to its fullest extent, your Atheism is
therefore not believing in anything which can only be believed in, and
not jsutified or verified in any other manner. That's a Hell of a wide
class of matters. It's more than just deities.
You therefore cannot possibly believe that the Sun is going to rise
tomorrow. You cannot know for certain the Truth of this in any manner
whatsoever. Only by induction might you have a case that it will do
so. Induction is nothing much more than mathematical belief.
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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17 Mar 2007 07:36:37 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1174147903.521982.228150@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
You therefore cannot possibly believe that the Sun is going to
rise tomorrow. You cannot know for certain the Truth of this in
any manner whatsoever. Only by induction might you have a case
that it will do so. Induction is nothing much more than
mathematical belief.
On the contrary, social sciences also use something they call
"induction". It is not the same as mathematical induction, it is
closer to what in math is called extrapolation. Your sunrise example
would be a typical case of mathematical extrapolation. Since the sun
has risen every morning for several billion years, it will probably
keep rising for some time yet. Howerver, at some time in the future it
will not rise, possibly because the sun has turned nova and engulfed
the earth.
I'm adding "mathematical belief" to my list of oxymorons.
Lisbeth.
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The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Mar 2007 03:41:31 PM |
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On 17 Mar 2007 09:11:43 -0700 there was an Ancient "Jim Roberts"
<cjdroberts@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
*sigh* No, it is simply NOT BELIEVING IN DEITIES! Crap, why is this
so hard for you tools to understand? Seriously, what do you think our
lives are like?
No, it's more than that. Someone else on this board in this same
discussion thread and in your camp, said that
Atheism and A-Tooth Faerieism [not believing in the tooth fairy] were
the same thing.
Extending this logically to its fullest extent, your Atheism is
therefore not believing in anything which can only be believed in, and
not jsutified or verified in any other manner. That's a Hell of a wide
class of matters. It's more than just deities.
Atheism is not believing in deities. That's it.
You therefore cannot possibly believe that the Sun is going to rise
tomorrow. You cannot know for certain the Truth of this in any manner
whatsoever. Only by induction might you have a case that it will do
so. Induction is nothing much more than mathematical belief.
Actually I do know that the sun is going to rise tomorrow since the
proven laws of physics show that it is impossible for the Earth to
stop rotating in less than 24 hours. The energy required would rip the
crust off the planet, and not even an impact from an object the size
of Mars moving at maximum orbital velocity would be enough. The math
works, and the theory can be tested on a smaller scale, with those
results scaled up on a computer.
See, *science* has learned to understand physics and orbital
mechanics. I don't need faith in the Earth's rotation, or in gravity,
they are proven facts.
I have faith in the Giants.. usually misplaced, but its there. Since
the Major League Season can not be accurately modeled due to the
horrendous numbers of variables, we have to wait and watch the games.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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17 Mar 2007 05:24:55 PM |
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On 17 Mar 2007 09:11:43 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote:
No, it's more than that. Someone else on this board in this same
discussion thread and in your camp, said that
Atheism and A-Tooth Faerieism [not believing in the tooth fairy] were
the same thing.
Extending this logically to its fullest extent, your Atheism is
therefore not believing in anything which can only be believed in, and
not jsutified or verified in any other manner. That's a Hell of a wide
class of matters. It's more than just deities.
Yes, and no.
Atheism only refers to deity belief, but most of the atheists in these
NGs, and all most all of the atheists that I know personally, extend
their lack of belief to all things supernatural, i.e, faeries, fire
breathing dragons, flying horses, etc.
You therefore cannot possibly believe that the Sun is going to rise
tomorrow.
Wrong.
That belief is founded in knowledge, and thousands of years of
repeated observation.
The wonder would be, if it DIDN'T rise.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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17 Mar 2007 06:44:37 PM |
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On Mar 18, 12:11 am, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 16, 1:47 am, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700 there was an Ancient "JimRoberts"
<cjdrobe...@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
How Useful is Atheism?
How useful is any belief system?
Can you eat it? Does it feed you? Does it house and clothe you?
Does Christianity? I work with a devout Catholic. He still has to
drive a truck for 8-10 hours a day to make money.
How useful is it? Is it just a philosophy, a logic of no use
whatsoever?
Why does it have to be useful?
What do you do once you are an atheist? What point is there to life
anymore?
Baseball. Seeing penguins in the wild. Seeing what happens tomorrow.
Is your life so absolutely empty that the only thing that keeps you
going is the promising that things will be better when you die?
Why bother if there is nothing more to bother about? No doubts, no
fundamental questions left, nothing! Just emptiness of feeling.
Man, do you assume a great deal. Just because we don't share your
particular set of beliefs, we're soulless Goth robots? Hardly! This
will shock and amaze you, but being an atheist does not preclude
having faith and hope. Every year I believe that this is the year my
beloved Giants win the World Series, and hold that hope until the
moment we are eliminated. Every time I buy a lottery ticket, I hope
that it will be the winning one so I can fulfil my dream of riding Hwy
80 coast to coast.
Empty of feeling? I love my wife with passion. I hate the Dodgers
with every of my being. I'm proud of my military service.
As for fundamental questions, I'm an amateur astronomer.. you want
questions? Ask us! We got loads, and every answer we find turns up
ten more questions. Hell, you're the ones with no fundamental
questions! You've answered them all: God did it.
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
Is this nothing more than nihilism?
*sigh* No, it is simply NOT BELIEVING IN DEITIES! Crap, why is this
so hard for you tools to understand? Seriously, what do you think our
lives are like?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
No, it's more than that. Someone else on this board in this same
discussion thread and in your camp, said that
Atheism and A-Tooth Faerieism [not believing in the tooth fairy] were
the same thing.
Extending this logically to its fullest extent, your Atheism is
therefore not believing in anything which can only be believed in, and
not jsutified or verified in any other manner. That's a Hell of a wide
class of matters. It's more than just deities.
You therefore cannot possibly believe that the Sun is going to rise
tomorrow. You cannot know for certain the Truth of this in any manner
whatsoever. Only by induction might you have a case that it will do
so. Induction is nothing much more than mathematical belief.
Belief does not require absolute certainty. However, the onus is on
theists in general to show that something, anything supernatural
exists and then further show that it agrees with what they call God.
First of all, they have to agree on what God is supposed to be.
Incidentally, the sun does not rise: it is the Earth that is rotating
from West to East.
Martin
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Mar 2007 08:09:47 PM |
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On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
How Useful is Atheism?
Beyond measure oh lying ***** pig ignorant bronze age barbarian without
even a brain stem to its inventory.
[snip abject stupidities]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Kate " |
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16 Mar 2007 08:13:01 PM |
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On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com>
wrote:
How Useful is Atheism?
Can you eat it? Does it feed you? Does it house and clothe you?
How useful is it? Is it just a philosophy, a logic of no use
whatsoever?
What do you do once you are an atheist? What point is there to life
anymore?
Atheism isn't a tool, it's the logical result of thinking.
Why bother if there is nothing more to bother about? No doubts, no
fundamental questions left, nothing! Just emptiness of feeling.
Atheism gives one a feeling of security. Its the lack of
disfunctionality. No dependence on stuff that isn't there and doesn't
respond.
How do you live lying to yourself? It must be crazy making.
Maybe you should take a break and believe in the tooth fairy for a
while. At least if you go live with your mommy, she will be happy to
leave you false evidence under your pillow that tooth fairies exist
for you to pretend with.
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
And has nothing to do with atheism.
Is this nothing more than nihilism?
Nihilism is more about nothing than anything, including atheism.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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17 Mar 2007 08:15:36 AM |
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On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
Belief does not require absolute certainty. Faith does.
Martin
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| User: "stumper" |
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17 Mar 2007 12:26:39 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
Belief does not require absolute certainty. Faith does.
Martin
If you have absolute certainty,
why do you need faith?
Do you need faith to believe that 2+2=4?
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~Stumper
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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17 Mar 2007 02:53:38 AM |
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On Mar 17, 1:13 am, (Kate ) wrote:
On 15 Mar 2007 16:01:04 -0700, "Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
How Useful is Atheism?
Can you eat it? Does it feed you? Does it house and clothe you?
How useful is it? Is it just a philosophy, a logic of no use
whatsoever?
What do you do once you are an atheist? What point is there to life
anymore?
Atheism isn't a tool, it's the logical result of thinking.
Why bother if there is nothing more to bother about? No doubts, no
fundamental questions left, nothing! Just emptiness of feeling.
Atheism gives one a feeling of security. Its the lack of
disfunctionality. No dependence on stuff that isn't there and doesn't
respond.
How do you live lying to yourself? It must be crazy making.
Maybe you should take a break and believe in the tooth fairy for a
while. At least if you go live with your mommy, she will be happy to
leave you false evidence under your pillow that tooth fairies exist
for you to pretend with.
Total absence of belief in anything, because if you have to believe in
anything whatsoever, without proof or justification, it has to be
completely and totally wrong.
And has nothing to do with atheism.
Is this nothing more than nihilism?
Nihilism is more about nothing than anything, including atheism.
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint. In fact you are
saying that without some kind of Theism, possibly only just in the
mind of another, Atheism just could not exist; there would be nothing
to deny.
Also the tooth faerie argument simply doesn't match up to this.
Supposing there was a cult of Tooth Faerieists, with billions of
adherents. Would that mean one would/could exist another group of
people [1 or more] whom we could call, for the sake of argument, A-
Faerieists?
Is being an A-Faerieist really the same as being an Atheist?
Would you bother so seriously to take up that cause?
And the Tooth Faerie cult, pretty harmless in my mind, why not just
leave it alone?
No, this board is largely peopled with Atheists militant, with
attitude, as some of them call themselves. They're not really bothered
about Tooth Faeries. It's the concept of the monotheistic God they
want to deny. That's a serious cause (to them). Tooth Faeries, and the
use of the Tooth Faerie argument, simply don't measure up to this.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
17 Mar 2007 04:37:25 AM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint.
Why are you such a liar?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
17 Mar 2007 05:47:41 AM |
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On Mar 17, 9:37 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint.
Why are you such a liar?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Please tell me that you can justify Atheism, without thinking about
God or gods at all.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
17 Mar 2007 08:28:55 AM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174128461.581482.48700@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 9:37 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint.
Why are you such a liar?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Please tell me that you can justify Atheism, without thinking about
God or gods at all.
God is the furthest thing from my mind, until I'm reminded of its
non-existence by moronic theists who come here to try to persuade me it
exists.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "Jim Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
17 Mar 2007 10:31:08 AM |
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On Mar 17, 1:28 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174128461.581482.48700@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 9:37 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint.
Why are you such a liar?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Please tell me that you can justify Atheism, without thinking about
God or gods at all.
God is the furthest thing from my mind, until I'm reminded of its
non-existence by moronic theists who come here to try to persuade me it
exists.
Smiler,
The godless one
Why do you bother looking in here then?
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
17 Mar 2007 08:15:51 PM |
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"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174145468.754323.138220@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 1:28 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174128461.581482.48700@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 9:37 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint.
Why are you such a liar?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Please tell me that you can justify Atheism, without thinking about
God or gods at all.
God is the furthest thing from my mind, until I'm reminded of its
non-existence by moronic theists who come here to try to persuade me it
exists.
Smiler,
The godless one
Why do you bother looking in here then?
At least I'm an atheist writing in an atheist newsgroup.
Why do _you_, a theist, bother coming here?
Do you really think you will convert anyone here with your stupidity?
Or are you just here to annoy us?
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
17 Mar 2007 10:02:17 PM |
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Smiler wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174145468.754323.138220@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 1:28 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174128461.581482.48700@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 9:37 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint.
Why are you such a liar?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Please tell me that you can justify Atheism, without thinking about
God or gods at all.
God is the furthest thing from my mind, until I'm reminded of its
non-existence by moronic theists who come here to try to persuade me it
exists.
Smiler,
The godless one
Why do you bother looking in here then?
At least I'm an atheist writing in an atheist newsgroup.
Why do _you_, a theist, bother coming here?
Do you really think you will convert anyone here with your stupidity?
Or are you just here to annoy us?
Smiler,
The godless one
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
--
~Stumper
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
17 Mar 2007 11:51:46 PM |
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"stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
news:vNCdnWzkLc0tNmHYnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@ptd.net...
Smiler wrote:
"Jim Roberts" <cjdroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174145468.754323.138220@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 1:28 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174128461.581482.48700@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 17, 9:37 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"JimRoberts" <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote
Well, that is most interesting! the Atheist has to think about the
concept of God or gods (possibly all day long and every waking hour)
in order to justify to themselves their standpoint.
Why are you such a liar?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Please tell me that you can justify Atheism, without thinking about
God or gods at all.
God is the furthest thing from my mind, until I'm reminded of its
non-existence by moronic theists who come here to try to persuade me it
exists.
Smiler,
The godless one
Why do you bother looking in here then?
At least I'm an atheist writing in an atheist newsgroup.
Why do _you_, a theist, bother coming here?
Do you really think you will convert anyone here with your stupidity?
Or are you just here to annoy us?
Smiler,
The godless one
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
That definition was given to me by a moronic theist who thought it was an
insult.
To show 'how insulted' I was, I adopted it as my tagline.
Sort of stuck ever since.
How can I abuse something that doesn't exist, stupid?
About as much abuse as "The leprechuanless one" or the "toothfairyless one"
but much easier to type.
Smiler,
The godless one,
The leprechaunless one
and The toothfairyless one.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
18 Mar 2007 05:51:53 AM |
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"stumper" <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
stumper claimed he was here not because he was a theist troll but
because he wanted us to be "fair" to theists.
Clearly stumper is yet another example of a theist liar.
Martin
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
18 Mar 2007 12:12:55 PM |
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Martin Phipps wrote:
"stumper" <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
stumper claimed he was here not because he was a theist troll but
because he wanted us to be "fair" to theists.
Clearly stumper is yet another example of a theist liar.
Martin
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
Wouldn't it be better to come on out and say that
you are hate-mongers?
--
~Stumper
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| User: "tirebiter" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
18 Mar 2007 12:18:31 PM |
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On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
"stumper" <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
stumper claimed he was here not because he was a theist troll but
because he wanted us to be "fair" to theists.
Clearly stumper is yet another example of a theist liar.
Martin
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
Wouldn't it be better to come on out and say that
you are hate-mongers?
--
~Stumper
It's not possible to abuse something that doesn't exist. You're not
very good at understanding basic concepts.
---
a.a. #2273
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| User: "stumper" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
18 Mar 2007 03:48:43 PM |
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tirebiter wrote:
On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
"stumper" <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
stumper claimed he was here not because he was a theist troll but
because he wanted us to be "fair" to theists.
Clearly stumper is yet another example of a theist liar.
Martin
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
Wouldn't it be better to come on out and say that
you are hate-mongers?
--
~Stumper
It's not possible to abuse something that doesn't exist. You're not
very good at understanding basic concepts.
---
a.a. #2273
You don't know how to abuse a flying unicorn?
What if it poops on you?
Good for you anyway!
--
~Stumper
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: How Useful is Atheism? |
18 Mar 2007 08:26:33 PM |
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stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> writes:
tirebiter wrote:
On Mar 18, 12:12 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
Martin Phipps wrote:
"stumper" <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote in message
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
stumper claimed he was here not because he was a theist troll but
because he wanted us to be "fair" to theists.
Clearly stumper is yet another example of a theist liar.
Martin
Why are you abusing God to define yourself?
Wouldn't it be better to come on out and say that
you are hate-mongers?
It's not possible to abuse something that doesn't exist. You're not
very good at understanding basic concepts.
You don't know how to abuse a flying unicorn?
What if it poops on you?
Since it doesn't exist, it's not a problem.
Good for you anyway!
You're very good at *not* understanding basic concepts indeed, Stuper.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Rochester 3, Houston 1 (March 18)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, March 20 at Manitoba, 7:35
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