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How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443/
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
By Pallavi Gogoi
Updated: 6:23 p.m. ET April 23, 2007
Business Week Online
Last "Black Friday," for its annual post-Thanksgiving sales blitz,
Wal-Mart Stores decided to slash the price of one of the hottest
electronics items for the holidays—the 42-inch flat-panel TV—to $988.
The world's largest retailer had staked similarly audacious positions
before, in numerous product categories, as part of its quest to remain
U.S. retailing's "low-price leader." In turn, Wal-Mart's move caused a
freefall in prices of flat-panel televisions at hundreds of retailers —
to the glee of many people who were then able to afford their first
big-screen plasma or liquid-crystal-display model.
Now, it is becoming apparent that Wal-Mart's calculated decision to
break the $1,000 barrier for flat-panel TVs triggered a disastrous
financial meltdown among some consumer-electronics retailers over the
past four months.
The fallout is evident: After closing 70 stores in February, Circuit
City Stores on Mar. 28 laid off 3,400 employees and put its 800 Canadian
stores on the block. Tweeter Home Entertainment Group, the high-end home
entertainment store, is shuttering 49 of its 153 stores and dismissed
650 workers. Dallas-based CompUSA is closing 126 of its 229 stores, and
regional retailer Rex Stores is boarding up dozens of outlets, as well
as selling 94 of its 211 stores. "The tube business and big-screen
business just dropped off a cliff," says Stuart Rose, chief executive
officer of Dayton-based Rex Stores. "We expected a dropoff, but nowhere
near the decline that we had." Clearly, these retailers are taking such
drastic measures because they don't see any respite in sight.
Since early February, when the companies first started closing stores
and announcing layoffs, most of their stock prices also have been
battered. Circuit City shares have fallen 24% since the end of November,
when the price war started. In the same period, Tweeter's shares
declined 32%, near a 52-week low, and Best Buy's stock is down 9%.
The carnage has one phrase written all over it — the "Wal-Mart effect."
For many electronics competitors, the experience with flat panels has
been a replay of what happened in other businesses over the past two
decades as Wal-Mart's business stature grew dramatically. The
Bentonville, Ark. juggernaut's entry into the grocery business in the
late 1980s and its ability to offer deep discounts led to the
bankrupting of dozens of regional supermarkets over the next 15 years,
including Florida-based Winn-Dixie Stores, Eagle Foods from Illinois,
and Penn Traffic in Pennsylvania.
And Wal-Mart's discounting of popular toys sent FAO Schwartz and KB Toys
into bankruptcy. Now, Wal-Mart has clearly turned its gaze to
electronics. "We recommitted to our customers that we would be their
low-price leader, especially on those products that were rising in
popularity, such as flat-screen and high-definition TVs," says Kevin
O'Connor, Wal-Mart vice-president and general merchandise.
None in the industry doubted that flat-panel television prices would
fall or that Wal-Mart would offer heavy promotions. But most expected
the promotions to be limited to lesser-known brands like the Viore TV
that Wal-Mart was selling at $988. What caught competitors off guard was
that Wal-Mart also cut the price of a top brand name—the 42-in.
Panasonic high-definition TV—by $500, to $1,294. That sent dozens of
retailers across the country scrambling, and many rushed to match
prices: Circuit City offered the same Panasonic TV at $1,299, while Best
Buy sold a Westinghouse 42-in. LCD for $999. Others tried to lure
customers to larger TVs—CompUSA gave a $500 rebate on its 50-in.
Panasonic plasma for $2,499.
Panasonic executives are still smarting from Wal-Mart's decision to drop
the price on its 42-in. model. Panasonic officials won't discuss the
issue. "I'm not going to comment on what Wal-Mart did," says Andrew
Nelkin, president of Panasonic Professional Display Co. in Secaucus,
N.J.
Along with Wal-Mart's determination to lower prices, two other factors
played key roles in last winter's 40%-to-50% flat-panel price drop and
the ensuing turmoil. For one, many more retailers such as Sears and
CompUSA were starting to stock a wider selection of flat-panel TVs after
seeing demand soar over the previous two years. Also, manufacturers like
Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, and Westinghouse had ramped up production last
year with new factories in Asia and the U.S. They began flooding the
market with new TVs in the latter half of 2006. All these forces
combined to make a commodity of what just six months earlier had been a
solidly high-end, high-margin entertainment product. "It's Econ 101:
Best Buy and Circuit City had seen fat margins from flat-panel TVs for a
while, and as it happens with any product, eventually the margins come
down and the music stops," says David Abella, a portfolio manager at New
York-based Rochdale Investment Management, with assets of $2 billion.
Little to lose
Wal-Mart is the second-largest electronics retailer today, behind Best
Buy, which has fared relatively well compared to many of its rivals. But
it has done so by imitating some of Wal-Mart's best practices, most
notably an efficient supply chain, by the admission of CEO Brad Anderson
himself. It also has more diversified merchandise than other
specialty-electronics retailers.
Despite its bold move last year, Wal-Mart currently is not the largest
seller of flat-panel TVs. In fact, even though Wal-Mart set in motion
the price drops, it has actually been a bit player in the
high-definition TV segment. By most accounts, Wal-Mart had little to
lose by dropping the price on the Panasonic TVs because it sold out its
inventory nearly instantly.
However, for Circuit City, which was in the midst of a turnaround and
sells thousands more flat-panel televisions than Wal-Mart, the new price
landscape represented a massive hit to its margins. The Richmond (Va.)
company lost $12.2 million in its fiscal fourth quarter ended Feb. 28,
compared to a net income of $141.4 million in the same period last year.
At Tweeter, where flat-panel TVs make up more than 51% of sales, the
price declines hurt badly. Sales in its fiscal second quarter ended Mar.
31 declined 12%, to $139 million. The Canton (Mass.) company plans to
release earnings on May 10. "We desperately hope that sanity reigns and
that the lessons of the past holiday season are not lost on anybody in
the industry," says Joe McGuire, CEO of Tweeter Home Entertainment
Group.
Despite shoppers paying lower prices, Circuit City CEO Phil Schoonover
is hoping customers will continue to want their TVs installed and will
use the company's Firedog service, a competitor to Best Buy's Geek Squad
that launched last October. Sales at Firedog grew 80%, to $200 million
last year, and Schoonover says he expects them to double this year. He
admits, however, that the environment couldn't be more uncertain. "I'm
not here to say that we're sure what the second half looks like because
we have 96 suppliers of flat-panel TVs who market their products in the
U.S.," he says. "With production facilities all over the world and
brands from China, we don't know what their real marketing strategies
are. We think it's going to be a competitive marketplace for the
flat-panel TV business."
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
Copyright © 2007 The McGraw-Hill Companies Inc
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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23 Apr 2007 06:23:03 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443/
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
By Pallavi Gogoi
I wonder if this guy realizes that there's no such thing as a
right to a certain market share or right to a certain revenue.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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07 May 2007 05:18:03 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in alt.atheism
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443/
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
For now.
By Pallavi Gogoi
I wonder if this guy realizes that there's no such thing as a
right to a certain market share or right to a certain revenue.
Where did the author indicate there was?
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:17:03 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
Not always. I have 3 computers I bought at CompUSA, with CompUSA
extended warranties. The nearest store is now 70 miles away - not too
convenient, because there's no parking near the stores in NYC, so if I
need service I can walk a mile from the car to the store carrying a
computer, or I can take the commuter railroad and a subway, carrying
the computer up and down stairs and a few blocks from the station to
the store. That's not what I bought.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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23 Apr 2007 10:24:20 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:17:03 -0400, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> let us all know that:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
Not always. I have 3 computers I bought at CompUSA, with CompUSA
extended warranties.
You bought an extended warranty? And what were you thinking
buying a computer from a large chain like that?
The nearest store is now 70 miles away - not too
convenient, because there's no parking near the stores in NYC, so if I
need service I can walk a mile from the car to the store carrying a
computer, or I can take the commuter railroad and a subway, carrying
the computer up and down stairs and a few blocks from the station to
the store. That's not what I bought.
Spins the wheel. Takes yer chances.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Apr 2007 07:49:05 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:24:20 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:17:03 -0400, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> let us all know that:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
Not always. I have 3 computers I bought at CompUSA, with CompUSA
extended warranties.
You bought an extended warranty?
If the computer goes down I want it fixed fast. The warranty is
expensed (as is the computer).
And what were you thinking
buying a computer from a large chain like that?
Laptops are difficult to build yourself, and none of the local clone
builders will build one.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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24 Apr 2007 08:14:54 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:49:05 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:24:20 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:17:03 -0400, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> let us all know that:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
Not always. I have 3 computers I bought at CompUSA, with CompUSA
extended warranties.
You bought an extended warranty?
If the computer goes down I want it fixed fast. The warranty is
expensed (as is the computer).
And what were you thinking
buying a computer from a large chain like that?
Laptops are difficult to build yourself, and none of the local clone
builders will build one.
Laptops are a pain in the butt. They are a great idea, but aren't
built strong enough for their purpose.
With a desktop, you can can replace the individual components as
needed, choose a keyboard that has the right feel etc, the mouse, the
screen etc.
I'm coming round to the idea of using a desktop machine running a VNC
server or similar, and using a throw away laptop just to open a window
at the server.
I haven't thought it through yet, but it would mean beefing up the
security at the desktop because this would have to be defined as DMZ
at the router when I'm away from home.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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24 Apr 2007 03:08:45 PM |
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On Apr 24, 2:14 pm, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:49:05 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:24:20 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:17:03 -0400, Al Klein
<ruk...@pern.invalid> let us all know that:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<sto...@the.net> let us all know that:
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
Not always. I have 3 computers I bought at CompUSA, with CompUSA
extended warranties.
You bought an extended warranty?
If the computer goes down I want it fixed fast. The warranty is
expensed (as is the computer).
And what were you thinking
buying a computer from a large chain like that?
Laptops are difficult to build yourself, and none of the local clone
builders will build one.
Laptops are a pain in the butt. They are a great idea, but aren't
built strong enough for their purpose.
With a desktop, you can can replace the individual components as
needed, choose a keyboard that has the right feel etc, the mouse, the
screen etc.
I'm coming round to the idea of using a desktop machine running a VNC
server or similar, and using a throw away laptop just to open a window
at the server.
I haven't thought it through yet, but it would mean beefing up the
security at the desktop because this would have to be defined as DMZ
at the router when I'm away from home.
Laptops are, however, essential for dyslexic people who cannot write
by hand, like me, to be able to function in a normal work/study
environment. Wish they would give them proper hinges though, not some
flimsy plastic shite that dies in a year, as all i want to do is take
notes.
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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24 Apr 2007 03:17:24 PM |
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On Apr 24, 9:14 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:49:05 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:24:20 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:17:03 -0400, Al Klein
<ruk...@pern.invalid> let us all know that:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<sto...@the.net> let us all know that:
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
Not always. I have 3 computers I bought at CompUSA, with CompUSA
extended warranties.
You bought an extended warranty?
If the computer goes down I want it fixed fast. The warranty is
expensed (as is the computer).
And what were you thinking
buying a computer from a large chain like that?
Laptops are difficult to build yourself, and none of the local clone
builders will build one.
Laptops are a pain in the butt. They are a great idea, but aren't
built strong enough for their purpose.
With a desktop, you can can replace the individual components as
needed, choose a keyboard that has the right feel etc, the mouse, the
screen etc.
I only recommend laptops to people who have a serious
need for mobility in their day to day computing - you
get far more power, flexibility and reliability from most
desktops compared to comparably priced laptops.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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24 Apr 2007 10:16:24 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:14:54 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
I'm coming round to the idea of using a desktop machine running a VNC
server or similar, and using a throw away laptop just to open a window
at the server.
I haven't thought it through yet, but it would mean beefing up the
security at the desktop because this would have to be defined as DMZ
at the router when I'm away from home.
I just forward the one port to the desktop, through a VPN, so the
security is pretty good.
At home I have a KVM, switching the keyboard, mouse and LCD among 2
laptops, a Windows tower and a Linux desktop. When I'm on the road,
one laptop, a mouse and a small (but full) keyboard go with me.
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07 May 2007 05:18:58 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:17:03 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
Not always. I have 3 computers I bought at CompUSA, with CompUSA
extended warranties. The nearest store is now 70 miles away - not too
convenient, because there's no parking near the stores in NYC, so if I
need service I can walk a mile from the car to the store carrying a
computer, or I can take the commuter railroad and a subway, carrying
the computer up and down stairs and a few blocks from the station to
the store. That's not what I bought.
/cue the spiel about 'value addition at no extra cost!'
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 May 2007 08:21:09 PM |
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On Mon, 07 May 2007 15:18:58 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
/cue the spiel about 'value addition at no extra cost!'
/cue the spiel about the warranty is voided by payment of the bill
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11 May 2007 11:37:24 AM |
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On Mon, 07 May 2007 21:21:09 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Mon, 07 May 2007 15:18:58 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
/cue the spiel about 'value addition at no extra cost!'
/cue the spiel about the warranty is voided by payment of the bill
A warranty isn't warrented.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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23 Apr 2007 06:47:43 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> in
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443/
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
But great for consumers.
For the moment.
By Pallavi Gogoi
I wonder if this guy realizes that there's no such thing as a
right to a certain market share or right to a certain revenue.
I didn't see anything that even suggested that the subject was
relevant.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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07 May 2007 05:21:36 PM |
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On Apr 23, 6:04 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443/
How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals
Retailer's holiday promotions proved disastrous for electronics stores
By Pallavi Gogoi
Updated: 6:23 p.m. ET April 23, 2007
Business Week Online
Last "Black Friday," for its annual post-Thanksgiving sales blitz,
Wal-Mart Stores decided to slash the price of one of the hottest
electronics items for the holidays-the 42-inch flat-panel TV-to $988.
The world's largest retailer had staked similarly audacious positions
before, in numerous product categories, as part of its quest to remain
U.S. retailing's "low-price leader." In turn, Wal-Mart's move caused a
freefall in prices of flat-panel televisions at hundreds of retailers -
to the glee of many people who were then able to afford their first
big-screen plasma or liquid-crystal-display model.
Now, it is becoming apparent that Wal-Mart's calculated decision to
break the $1,000 barrier for flat-panel TVs triggered a disastrous
financial meltdown among some consumer-electronics retailers over the
past four months.
The fallout is evident: After closing 70 stores in February, Circuit
City Stores on Mar. 28 laid off 3,400 employees and put its 800 Canadian
stores on the block. Tweeter Home Entertainment Group, the high-end home
entertainment store, is shuttering 49 of its 153 stores and dismissed
650 workers. Dallas-based CompUSA is closing 126 of its 229 stores, and
regional retailer Rex Stores is boarding up dozens of outlets, as well
as selling 94 of its 211 stores. "The tube business and big-screen
business just dropped off a cliff," says Stuart Rose, chief executive
officer of Dayton-based Rex Stores. "We expected a dropoff, but nowhere
near the decline that we had." Clearly, these retailers are taking such
drastic measures because they don't see any respite in sight.
Since early February, when the companies first started closing stores
and announcing layoffs, most of their stock prices also have been
battered. Circuit City shares have fallen 24% since the end of November,
when the price war started. In the same period, Tweeter's shares
declined 32%, near a 52-week low, and Best Buy's stock is down 9%.
The carnage has one phrase written all over it - the "Wal-Mart effect."
For many electronics competitors, the experience with flat panels has
been a replay of what happened in other businesses over the past two
decades as Wal-Mart's business stature grew dramatically. The
Bentonville, Ark. juggernaut's entry into the grocery business in the
late 1980s and its ability to offer deep discounts led to the
bankrupting of dozens of regional supermarkets over the next 15 years,
including Florida-based Winn-Dixie Stores, Eagle Foods from Illinois,
and Penn Traffic in Pennsylvania.
And Wal-Mart's discounting of popular toys sent FAO Schwartz and KB Toys
into bankruptcy. Now, Wal-Mart has clearly turned its gaze to
electronics. "We recommitted to our customers that we would be their
low-price leader, especially on those products that were rising in
popularity, such as flat-screen and high-definition TVs," says Kevin
O'Connor, Wal-Mart vice-president and general merchandise.
None in the industry doubted that flat-panel television prices would
fall or that Wal-Mart would offer heavy promotions. But most expected
the promotions to be limited to lesser-known brands like the Viore TV
that Wal-Mart was selling at $988. What caught competitors off guard was
that Wal-Mart also cut the price of a top brand name-the 42-in.
Panasonic high-definition TV-by $500, to $1,294. That sent dozens of
retailers across the country scrambling, and many rushed to match
prices: Circuit City offered the same Panasonic TV at $1,299, while Best
Buy sold a Westinghouse 42-in. LCD for $999. Others tried to lure
customers to larger TVs-CompUSA gave a $500 rebate on its 50-in.
Panasonic plasma for $2,499.
Panasonic executives are still smarting from Wal-Mart's decision to drop
the price on its 42-in. model. Panasonic officials won't discuss the
issue. "I'm not going to comment on what Wal-Mart did," says Andrew
Nelkin, president of Panasonic Professional Display Co. in Secaucus,
N.J.
Along with Wal-Mart's determination to lower prices, two other factors
played key roles in last winter's 40%-to-50% flat-panel price drop and
the ensuing turmoil. For one, many more retailers such as Sears and
CompUSA were starting to stock a wider selection of flat-panel TVs after
seeing demand soar over the previous two years. Also, manufacturers like
Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, and Westinghouse had ramped up production last
year with new factories in Asia and the U.S. They began flooding the
market with new TVs in the latter half of 2006. All these forces
combined to make a commodity of what just six months earlier had been a
solidly high-end, high-margin entertainment product. "It's Econ 101:
Best Buy and Circuit City had seen fat margins from flat-panel TVs for a
while, and as it happens with any product, eventually the margins come
down and the music stops," says David Abella, a portfolio manager at New
York-based Rochdale Investment Management, with assets of $2 billion.
Little to lose
Wal-Mart is the second-largest electronics retailer today, behind Best
Buy, which has fared relatively well compared to many of its rivals. But
it has done so by imitating some of Wal-Mart's best practices, most
notably an efficient supply chain, by the admission of CEO Brad Anderson
himself. It also has more diversified merchandise than other
specialty-electronics retailers.
Despite its bold move last year, Wal-Mart currently is not the largest
seller of flat-panel TVs. In fact, even though Wal-Mart set in motion
the price drops, it has actually been a bit player in the
high-definition TV segment. By most accounts, Wal-Mart had little to
lose by dropping the price on the Panasonic TVs because it sold out its
inventory nearly instantly.
However, for Circuit City, which was in the midst of a turnaround and
sells thousands more flat-panel televisions than Wal-Mart, the new price
landscape represented a massive hit to its margins. The Richmond (Va.)
company lost $12.2 million in its fiscal fourth quarter ended Feb. 28,
compared to a net income of $141.4 million in the same period last year.
At Tweeter, where flat-panel TVs make up more than 51% of sales, the
price declines hurt badly. Sales in its fiscal second quarter ended Mar.
31 declined 12%, to $139 million. The Canton (Mass.) company plans to
release earnings on May 10. "We desperately hope that sanity reigns and
that the lessons of the past holiday season are not lost on anybody in
the industry," says Joe McGuire, CEO of Tweeter Home Entertainment
Group.
Despite shoppers paying lower prices, Circuit City CEO Phil Schoonover
is hoping customers will continue to want their TVs installed and will
use the company's Firedog service, a competitor to Best Buy's Geek Squad
that launched last October. Sales at Firedog grew 80%, to $200 million
last year, and Schoonover says he expects them to double this year. He
admits, however, that the environment couldn't be more uncertain. "I'm
not here to say that we're sure what the second half looks like because
we have 96 suppliers of flat-panel TVs who market their products in the
U.S.," he says. "With production facilities all over the world and
brands from China, we don't know what their real marketing strategies
are. We think it's going to be a competitive marketplace for the
flat-panel TV business."
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
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Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
-Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic's Dictionary
when can we expect walmart to take over the gas station business?
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07 May 2007 10:00:55 PM |
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On 7 May 2007 15:21:36 -0700, snex <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
when can we expect walmart to take over the gas station business?
They're already the cheapest gas stations wherever they exist.
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23 Apr 2007 06:43:38 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
Hopefully the next Administration will have a mammoth anti-Trust
lawsuit in store.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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23 Apr 2007 09:44:52 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:43:38 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> let us all know that:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
Hopefully the next Administration will have a mammoth anti-Trust
lawsuit in store.
Why?
And you do know that anti-trust legislation is actually
protectionist in nature and anti-competitive, right? You HAVE done the
research, right?
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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07 May 2007 05:21:23 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:43:38 -0400, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
Hopefully the next Administration will have a mammoth anti-Trust
lawsuit in store.
Why?
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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23 Apr 2007 09:30:42 PM |
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On or about Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:43:38 -0400 did raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> dribble thusly:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
Hopefully the next Administration will have a mammoth anti-Trust
lawsuit in store.
On what grounds? Just what parts of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act has
Wal-mart violated?
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Ignore the Python in me to send e-mail.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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23 Apr 2007 11:22:30 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
Hopefully the next Administration will have a mammoth anti-Trust
lawsuit in store.
My father's local supermarkets drove a lot of smaller markets out of
business.
When the big chains did the same to him he bought a small store a fair
distance away from the big ones and did not compete with them. He did quite
well with higher prices because he offered service and convience.
WalMart is just one more step in that chain and if the big box stores try to
compete on price while selling comodities, they will fall by the wayside.
This is especially true when they claim to be experts, but tend to have
limited knowledge in one area. They should follow Safeways tactics with
cards and higher prices and SERVICE. I know people who are willing to pay
the extra cost at Safeway because the clerks know their name (which comes
from the cards that raise prices as much as 25% *after* the "discount".)
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" |
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24 Apr 2007 01:24:22 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:aCfXh.1883$H_.823@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:04:08 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
As new technology emerges and as LCD TVs with crisper images hit the
market this May, some retailers are hoping to lure the technophiles.
However, if consumer-electronics purveyors are hoping to maintain
sky-high prices on new products, they'd better not count on it. After
all, they have no idea what Wal-Mart has in store.
Hopefully the next Administration will have a mammoth anti-Trust
lawsuit in store.
My father's local supermarkets drove a lot of smaller markets out of
business.
When the big chains did the same to him he bought a small store a fair
distance away from the big ones and did not compete with them. He did
quite well with higher prices because he offered service and convience.
WalMart is just one more step in that chain and if the big box stores try
to compete on price while selling comodities, they will fall by the
wayside. This is especially true when they claim to be experts, but tend
to have limited knowledge in one area. They should follow Safeways tactics
with cards and higher prices and SERVICE. I know people who are willing to
pay the extra cost at Safeway because the clerks know their name (which
comes from the cards that raise prices as much as 25% *after* the
"discount".)
none of it bothers me at all.
i build my own computers and i built my own hidef 6foot by 5 foot dlp screen
and my own badass 7.1 surround sound system.
all of my video and sound systems run thru it and of course all optical
hookups-topped off with a logitech harmony remote control.
sweet!!
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