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20 Nov 2005 11:33:52 PM |
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How Would Nation Without God Look Like ? |
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Kids can have two mommies or two daddies or more. Teenagers can have
free sex and, thanks to the taxpayers, they won't be burdened with any
responsibility. Nor should they fret about a mistake, because abortion
will bring relief. Parents need not be informed. Coming generations
won't be hamstrung with the old-fashioned ideas our nation was founded
on because no one will be left to teach them.
And narcotics will be available with no concern about shortages because
it will have become such a lucrative business that no effort is made to
stop it. Credit cards will permit anyone to indulge without restraint
in self-gratification. When all credit is exhausted, the loss will
become someone else's problem.
Not to be overlooked will be the absence of sin. With the new system,
nothing will be "wrong." A politically correct society will offer the
opportunity to do as we please with impunity. So life in a nation
without God will be truly wonderful. However, there will be just one
little problem. Since eventually each one of us will die and science
hasn't found a solution to that, what then?
All of a sudden, we will come to the question of what happens after
death. Reaching this point makes a difference that cannot be avoided.
All of the "freedom" of the new system will culminate in an emptiness
for which there will be only one answer. In the final analysis, God's
will will prevail after all. Obedience to God is the only answer. And
the eternal life he offers and makes available to all who believe and
accept Christ, will provide more happiness than this world ever dreamed
of.
RALPH E. REHN Cherry Hill
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25 Nov 2005 01:06:21 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
No, of course not, they are just divided along the lines of Catholic
and Protestant. They kill each other very often on that basis alone,
but it has nothing to do with religion. Any other good stories?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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25 Nov 2005 01:34:44 AM |
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thomas p wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
The Queen is the pope of the Anglican Church. Your remark is
irrelevant.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
No, of course not, they are just divided along the lines of Catholic
and Protestant. They kill each other very often on that basis alone,
but it has nothing to do with religion.
Exactly. It is a political war over the disposition of Northern
Ireland. The Southern Irish Catholics want a unified Ireland. The
Northern Protestants and British colonists want Northern Ireland to
stay part of the UK.
If you knew the history of the place, you would understand. this war
is centuries old.
TCross
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| User: "thomas p" |
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25 Nov 2005 11:13:05 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 23:34:44 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
The Queen is the pope of the Anglican Church. Your remark is
irrelevant.
You confuse ceremony with reality. Furthermore the great majority of
Protestants in Ireland are not Anglicans who make up a small minority
even in England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
No, of course not, they are just divided along the lines of Catholic
and Protestant. They kill each other very often on that basis alone,
but it has nothing to do with religion.
Exactly. It is a political war over the disposition of Northern
Ireland. The Southern Irish Catholics want a unified Ireland. The
Northern Protestants and British colonists want Northern Ireland to
stay part of the UK.
You don't even have that much right. The south wants nothing to do
with unification. In addition the great majority of people in the
north have been there for generations, i.e. there are no colonialists.
The only reason the majority (about two thirds) wants to remain part
of the UK is because they do not want to be outnumbered by the
Catholics. A large part of the reason the south does not want
unification is that they do not want that many Protestants in their
midst. A great deal of the animosity was created delibrately by
Cromwell as a way of dividing and controlling. The job was finished
by the Catholic Church's insistence on special treatment by the
government making Protestants fearful of any unification with the
south. It was and it remains a religious conflict.
If you knew the history of the place, you would understand. this war
is centuries old.
Exactly so. For centuries Protestants and Catholics have hated and
feared each other. The conflict has been encouraged by religious
leaders on both sides. The fact (just to name one example) that you
think the Protestants are Anglicans shows that you do not know what
you are talking about.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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25 Nov 2005 10:15:23 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 23:34:44 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132904084.327011.109990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
thomas p wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
The Queen is the pope of the Anglican Church.
Please provide supporting evidence for this remarkable assertion.
Your remark is irrelevant.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
No, of course not, they are just divided along the lines of Catholic
and Protestant. They kill each other very often on that basis alone,
but it has nothing to do with religion.
Exactly. It is a political war over the disposition of Northern
Ireland. The Southern Irish Catholics want a unified Ireland. The
Northern Protestants and British colonists want Northern Ireland to
stay part of the UK.
If you knew the history of the place, you would understand. this war
is centuries old.
TCross
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25 Nov 2005 11:43:32 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:15:23 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 23:34:44 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132904084.327011.109990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
thomas p wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
The Queen is the pope of the Anglican Church.
Please provide supporting evidence for this remarkable assertion.
"Pope" is a silly term for her role, especially given how the Anglican
Chruch came to be, but she is, in fact, the titular head of the
church.
Your remark is irrelevant.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
No, of course not, they are just divided along the lines of Catholic
and Protestant. They kill each other very often on that basis alone,
but it has nothing to do with religion.
Exactly. It is a political war over the disposition of Northern
Ireland. The Southern Irish Catholics want a unified Ireland. The
Northern Protestants and British colonists want Northern Ireland to
stay part of the UK.
If you knew the history of the place, you would understand. this war
is centuries old.
TCross
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| User: "thomas p" |
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26 Nov 2005 06:26:00 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:43:32 -0800, "2100 Dead, 14 since Hunter
resolution" <zepp2100#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:15:23 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 23:34:44 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132904084.327011.109990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
thomas p wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
The Queen is the pope of the Anglican Church.
Please provide supporting evidence for this remarkable assertion.
"Pope" is a silly term for her role, especially given how the Anglican
Chruch came to be, but she is, in fact, the titular head of the
church.
But Northern Ireland has no state church, so she is not even the
titular head of the church there.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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27 Nov 2005 01:24:41 AM |
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thomas p wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:43:32 -0800, "2100 Dead, 14 since Hunter
resolution" <zepp2100#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:15:23 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 23:34:44 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132904084.327011.109990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
thomas p wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
The Queen is the pope of the Anglican Church.
Please provide supporting evidence for this remarkable assertion.
"Pope" is a silly term for her role, especially given how the Anglican
Chruch came to be, but she is, in fact, the titular head of the
church.
But Northern Ireland has no state church, so she is not even the
titular head of the church there.
The origin of the Episcopal Church in the United States shows by
analogy that you are wrong.
<quote>
History
The Episcopal Church was founded in 1789 after the American colonies
proclaimed independence from Great Britain. Prior to the American
Revolutionary War, the Episcopal Church was part of the Church of
England, whose clergy are required to accept the supremacy of the
British monarch. When the clergy of Connecticut elected Samuel Seabury
as their bishop, he sought consecration in England. The Oath of
Supremacy proved too difficult a problem, however, and he came to
Scotland, where the Scottish bishops (at the time being persecuted by
the state) consecrated him in Aberdeen on November 14, 1784, the first
Anglican bishop outside the British Isles.
The American bishops thus descend in the Apostolic succession from the
bishops of Scotland, and to this day the nine crosses which symbolise
ECUSA's nine original dioceses in its arms form a St Andrew's cross,
commemorating the Scottish link. In Scotland, the Episcopal Church is
so known because unlike the national state Church of Scotland (which is
Presbyterian, i.e. governed by Elders), it is governed by bishops (in
Latin episcopi). The word "Anglican" comes from the Latin word
Anglicana which literally means English. </quote>
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Episcopal_Church_in_the_United_States_of_America
The British Sovereign is the temporal head of the Anglican Church,
regardless of the nation. Such is true in Canada today.
TCross
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| User: "thomas p" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:58:39 AM |
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On 26 Nov 2005 23:24:41 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:43:32 -0800, "2100 Dead, 14 since Hunter
resolution" <zepp2100#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:15:23 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 23:34:44 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132904084.327011.109990@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
thomas p wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England.
The Protestants are encouraged in their hate of Catholics by a number
of their local ministers. The queen has no relevance.
The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
The Queen is irrelevant.
The Queen is the pope of the Anglican Church.
Please provide supporting evidence for this remarkable assertion.
"Pope" is a silly term for her role, especially given how the Anglican
Chruch came to be, but she is, in fact, the titular head of the
church.
But Northern Ireland has no state church, so she is not even the
titular head of the church there.
The origin of the Episcopal Church in the United States shows by
analogy that you are wrong.
No it doesn't. The Church of Ireland was once the state church. It
was once a branch of the Church of England. It no longer is. That is
a simple, verifiable fact.
<quote>
History
The Episcopal Church was founded in 1789 after the American colonies
proclaimed independence from Great Britain. Prior to the American
Revolutionary War, the Episcopal Church was part of the Church of
England, whose clergy are required to accept the supremacy of the
British monarch. When the clergy of Connecticut elected Samuel Seabury
as their bishop, he sought consecration in England. The Oath of
Supremacy proved too difficult a problem, however, and he came to
Scotland, where the Scottish bishops (at the time being persecuted by
the state) consecrated him in Aberdeen on November 14, 1784, the first
Anglican bishop outside the British Isles.
The American bishops thus descend in the Apostolic succession from the
bishops of Scotland, and to this day the nine crosses which symbolise
ECUSA's nine original dioceses in its arms form a St Andrew's cross,
commemorating the Scottish link. In Scotland, the Episcopal Church is
so known because unlike the national state Church of Scotland (which is
Presbyterian, i.e. governed by Elders), it is governed by bishops (in
Latin episcopi). The word "Anglican" comes from the Latin word
Anglicana which literally means English. </quote>
I know the history of the Episcopal Church in America. Just like the
Church of Ireland, it today does not have the Queen as its titualar
head no matter what was true in the past. That was one of your
claims, and you are wrong. Your other claim was that the Anglican
Church (or the Church of Ireland to be accurate) represented the
majority in Ulster; it does not. The largest Protestant sect in the
north is Presbyterian, and the Catholics are a minority in comparison
with the total number of all Protestants.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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25 Nov 2005 04:07:00 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
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25 Nov 2005 04:18:13 AM |
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Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
TCross
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25 Nov 2005 11:13:06 AM |
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On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant.
Most are Presbyterians. You really don't know what you are talking
about.
Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
TCross
Try reading a history book.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:13:06 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant.
Most are Presbyterians. You really don't know what you are talking
about.
Only in Scotland. Here's the actual breakdown, as per the State.gov
website:
The Office for National Statistics 2002 yearbook estimates that 40
million persons (approximately 65 percent of the population) identify
themselves as Christians. Approximately 45 percent of the population
identify with Anglican churches, 10 percent with the Roman Catholic
Church, 4 percent with Presbyterian churches, 2 percent with Methodist
churches, and 4 percent with other Christian churches. Approximately
8.7 percent of the population attends a Christian church on a regular
basis. Church attendance in Northern Ireland is estimated at 30 to 35
percent. An additional 2 percent of the population is affiliated with
the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
Saints (Mormons), the Church of Christ, Christian Scientists, and
Unitarians. A further 5 percent are adherents of other faiths,
including Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Sikhism. Muslim, Sikh, and
Hindu communities tend to be concentrated around larger cities.
Approximately 30 percent of the population do not identify with a
religion.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2002/13989.htm
Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
No, the Queen is head of the Church of England (Anglican) but has no
other role, formal or otherwise, in any other Christian denomination.
And being a subject of the crown is a matter of being born in the UK,
not of religious preference.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
TCross
Try reading a history book.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
--
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who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
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"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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26 Nov 2005 06:25:54 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:14:09 -0800, "2100 Dead, 14 since Hunter
resolution" <zepp2100#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:13:06 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant.
Most are Presbyterians. You really don't know what you are talking
about.
Only in Scotland. Here's the actual breakdown, as per the State.gov
website:
Catholics, compared with all Protestants are in a minority in Northern
Ireland. The Presbyterian Church is the largest Protestant church.
The Church of Ireland, once a branch of the Church of England, is no
longer a state church and is, therefore, not even formally under the
monarchy.
The Office for National Statistics 2002 yearbook estimates that 40
million persons (approximately 65 percent of the population) identify
themselves as Christians. Approximately 45 percent of the population
identify with Anglican churches, 10 percent with the Roman Catholic
Church, 4 percent with Presbyterian churches, 2 percent with Methodist
churches, and 4 percent with other Christian churches.
Citing statistics for all of UK above, instead of for Northern Ireland
alone, is not very relevant for a discussion concerning Northern
Ireland.
Approximately
8.7 percent of the population attends a Christian church on a regular
basis. Church attendance in Northern Ireland is estimated at 30 to 35
percent. An additional 2 percent of the population is affiliated with
the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
Saints (Mormons), the Church of Christ, Christian Scientists, and
Unitarians. A further 5 percent are adherents of other faiths,
including Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Sikhism. Muslim, Sikh, and
Hindu communities tend to be concentrated around larger cities.
Approximately 30 percent of the population do not identify with a
religion.
Again, the above refers to the entire UK. It does not apply to
Northern Ireland.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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27 Nov 2005 01:47:21 AM |
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thomas p wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant.
Most are Presbyterians. You really don't know what you are talking
about.
Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
TCross
Try reading a history book.
Thomas P.
we have been telling her to post less and take more medication but
nothing has happened yet.
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25 Nov 2005 10:09:52 AM |
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On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion.
If religion did not exist there would be no conflict.
Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
None of which were done over religion.
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25 Nov 2005 10:12:06 AM |
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On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
....
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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27 Nov 2005 02:04:07 AM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
...
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
TCross
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| User: "thomas p" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:58:42 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 00:04:07 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com>
wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
...
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
That is, of course, total nonsense. You will be unable to quote
anything from Marx that says atheism "is the primary precept of
Marxist communism.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Attila" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:26:35 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 00:04:07 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1133078647.746104.290170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
...
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Nonsense. Stalin simply did not want another power base outside his
control.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:53:31 AM |
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Attila wrote:
On 27 Nov 2005 00:04:07 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1133078647.746104.290170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
...
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Nonsense. Stalin simply did not want another power base outside his
control.
You have described situation post 1934 Soviet Union correctly.
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27 Nov 2005 07:56:58 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 03:53:31 -0800, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1133092411.344936.60530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 27 Nov 2005 00:04:07 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1133078647.746104.290170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
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Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Nonsense. Stalin simply did not want another power base outside his
control.
You have described situation post 1934 Soviet Union correctly.
Communism is a political system and has nothing to do with economics
or religion. It pays lip service to the work of Engles but then
ignores most of his economic theories.
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27 Nov 2005 10:58:44 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 27 Nov 2005 03:53:31 -0800, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1133092411.344936.60530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 27 Nov 2005 00:04:07 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1133078647.746104.290170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
...
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Nonsense. Stalin simply did not want another power base outside his
control.
You have described situation post 1934 Soviet Union correctly.
Communism is a political system and has nothing to do with economics
or religion.
One assumes that you are talking about the Soviet system and not
communism (small "c).
It pays lip service to the work of Engles but then
ignores most of his economic theories.
The economic system established in the Soviet was based on the ideas
of Marx, Engles and Lenin. It was not 100% faithful to any of them,
but, then again, their written opinions are not holy script. As it
turned out the ideals claimed were, to a large degree, corrupted in
the service of, first of all, individual tyrants and, especially at
the end, a self-serving bureaucracy. In my opinion it could not have
worked under any circumstances, but an actual attempt was made to
transform the ideal into reality. One imagines that many of the early
Christians were also quite sincere and idealistic, and now we have the
Vatican and Jerry Fallwell.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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27 Nov 2005 11:25:23 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:58:44 +0100, in alt.atheism
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in
<e5pjo1l2lglu0pbjr31ivehjn3egog6oks@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On 27 Nov 2005 03:53:31 -0800, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1133092411.344936.60530@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 27 Nov 2005 00:04:07 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1133078647.746104.290170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
...
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Nonsense. Stalin simply did not want another power base outside his
control.
You have described situation post 1934 Soviet Union correctly.
Communism is a political system and has nothing to do with economics
or religion.
One assumes that you are talking about the Soviet system and not
communism (small "c).
After all, the believers in Acts were said to have practiced communism,
and that was economic and religious without being political.
It pays lip service to the work of Engles but then
ignores most of his economic theories.
The economic system established in the Soviet was based on the ideas
of Marx, Engles and Lenin. It was not 100% faithful to any of them,
but, then again, their written opinions are not holy script. As it
turned out the ideals claimed were, to a large degree, corrupted in
the service of, first of all, individual tyrants and, especially at
the end, a self-serving bureaucracy. In my opinion it could not have
worked under any circumstances, but an actual attempt was made to
transform the ideal into reality. One imagines that many of the early
Christians were also quite sincere and idealistic, and now we have the
Vatican and Jerry Fallwell.
I would guess that most of the anarchists would have argued that
communism cannot work if there is a government to enforce the desires of
the few.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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28 Nov 2005 10:45:50 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:25:23 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:58:44 +0100, in alt.atheism
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in
<e5pjo1l2lglu0pbjr31ivehjn3egog6oks@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
snip
Communism is a political system and has nothing to do with economics
or religion.
One assumes that you are talking about the Soviet system and not
communism (small "c).
After all, the believers in Acts were said to have practiced communism,
and that was economic and religious without being political.
There is no way for economics and religion to not be political.
It pays lip service to the work of Engles but then
ignores most of his economic theories.
The economic system established in the Soviet was based on the ideas
of Marx, Engles and Lenin. It was not 100% faithful to any of them,
but, then again, their written opinions are not holy script. As it
turned out the ideals claimed were, to a large degree, corrupted in
the service of, first of all, individual tyrants and, especially at
the end, a self-serving bureaucracy. In my opinion it could not have
worked under any circumstances, but an actual attempt was made to
transform the ideal into reality. One imagines that many of the early
Christians were also quite sincere and idealistic, and now we have the
Vatican and Jerry Fallwell.
I would guess that most of the anarchists would have argued that
communism cannot work if there is a government to enforce the desires of
the few.
Communism cannot work as long as human beings are what they are. Any
workable system has to accept human nature as it is. Otherwise you
have a situation in which the attempt is made to make people fit the
system instead of a system that serves the needs of people.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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28 Nov 2005 12:26:00 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:45:50 +0100, in alt.atheism
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in
<1ubmo1prg4a52jsdpgm5lls0t6va0r3vd0@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:25:23 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:58:44 +0100, in alt.atheism
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in
<e5pjo1l2lglu0pbjr31ivehjn3egog6oks@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
snip
Communism is a political system and has nothing to do with economics
or religion.
One assumes that you are talking about the Soviet system and not
communism (small "c).
After all, the believers in Acts were said to have practiced communism,
and that was economic and religious without being political.
There is no way for economics and religion to not be political.
Overtly or explicitly political.
It pays lip service to the work of Engles but then
ignores most of his economic theories.
The economic system established in the Soviet was based on the ideas
of Marx, Engles and Lenin. It was not 100% faithful to any of them,
but, then again, their written opinions are not holy script. As it
turned out the ideals claimed were, to a large degree, corrupted in
the service of, first of all, individual tyrants and, especially at
the end, a self-serving bureaucracy. In my opinion it could not have
worked under any circumstances, but an actual attempt was made to
transform the ideal into reality. One imagines that many of the early
Christians were also quite sincere and idealistic, and now we have the
Vatican and Jerry Fallwell.
I would guess that most of the anarchists would have argued that
communism cannot work if there is a government to enforce the desires of
the few.
Communism cannot work as long as human beings are what they are. Any
workable system has to accept human nature as it is. Otherwise you
have a situation in which the attempt is made to make people fit the
system instead of a system that serves the needs of people.
But communism has worked.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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29 Nov 2005 09:49:16 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:26:00 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:45:50 +0100, in alt.atheism
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in
<1ubmo1prg4a52jsdpgm5lls0t6va0r3vd0@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:25:23 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:58:44 +0100, in alt.atheism
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in
<e5pjo1l2lglu0pbjr31ivehjn3egog6oks@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:56:58 -0500, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
snip
Communism is a political system and has nothing to do with economics
or religion.
One assumes that you are talking about the Soviet system and not
communism (small "c).
After all, the believers in Acts were said to have practiced communism,
and that was economic and religious without being political.
There is no way for economics and religion to not be political.
Overtly or explicitly political.
It pays lip service to the work of Engles but then
ignores most of his economic theories.
The economic system established in the Soviet was based on the ideas
of Marx, Engles and Lenin. It was not 100% faithful to any of them,
but, then again, their written opinions are not holy script. As it
turned out the ideals claimed were, to a large degree, corrupted in
the service of, first of all, individual tyrants and, especially at
the end, a self-serving bureaucracy. In my opinion it could not have
worked under any circumstances, but an actual attempt was made to
transform the ideal into reality. One imagines that many of the early
Christians were also quite sincere and idealistic, and now we have the
Vatican and Jerry Fallwell.
I would guess that most of the anarchists would have argued that
communism cannot work if there is a government to enforce the desires of
the few.
Communism cannot work as long as human beings are what they are. Any
workable system has to accept human nature as it is. Otherwise you
have a situation in which the attempt is made to make people fit the
system instead of a system that serves the needs of people.
But communism has worked.
There are different systems called by the same name. I assume that we
are talking about Marxism-Leninism in the modern world. Other social
organisations have had some things in common with modern communism,
but they are not the same.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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