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20 Nov 2005 11:33:52 PM |
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How Would Nation Without God Look Like ? |
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Kids can have two mommies or two daddies or more. Teenagers can have
free sex and, thanks to the taxpayers, they won't be burdened with any
responsibility. Nor should they fret about a mistake, because abortion
will bring relief. Parents need not be informed. Coming generations
won't be hamstrung with the old-fashioned ideas our nation was founded
on because no one will be left to teach them.
And narcotics will be available with no concern about shortages because
it will have become such a lucrative business that no effort is made to
stop it. Credit cards will permit anyone to indulge without restraint
in self-gratification. When all credit is exhausted, the loss will
become someone else's problem.
Not to be overlooked will be the absence of sin. With the new system,
nothing will be "wrong." A politically correct society will offer the
opportunity to do as we please with impunity. So life in a nation
without God will be truly wonderful. However, there will be just one
little problem. Since eventually each one of us will die and science
hasn't found a solution to that, what then?
All of a sudden, we will come to the question of what happens after
death. Reaching this point makes a difference that cannot be avoided.
All of the "freedom" of the new system will culminate in an emptiness
for which there will be only one answer. In the final analysis, God's
will will prevail after all. Obedience to God is the only answer. And
the eternal life he offers and makes available to all who believe and
accept Christ, will provide more happiness than this world ever dreamed
of.
RALPH E. REHN Cherry Hill
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Dec 2005 06:31:45 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
thomas p
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The policies of some governments, including the one in the US today,
have increased poverty, for example massive tax cuts for the very
wealthy; which naturally puts a great burden on everybody below that
level. The intention is not to increase poverty, but that is the
inevitable result.
What tax cuts? The cuts have been across the board, with a higher
percentage for lower level incomes.
No need to continue. The above speaks for itself. Bye.
Do you disagree? There are many more tax breaks for lower income than
higher income
You're full of *****.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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05 Dec 2005 06:31:40 AM |
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On 4 Dec 2005 16:31:45 -0800, (Ray Fischer) in
alt.abortion with message-id <dn01ph$dvg$1@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
thomas p
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The policies of some governments, including the one in the US today,
have increased poverty, for example massive tax cuts for the very
wealthy; which naturally puts a great burden on everybody below that
level. The intention is not to increase poverty, but that is the
inevitable result.
What tax cuts? The cuts have been across the board, with a higher
percentage for lower level incomes.
No need to continue. The above speaks for itself. Bye.
Do you disagree? There are many more tax breaks for lower income than
higher income
You're full of *****.
Another typical fact-filled and thoughtful response.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Dec 2005 10:14:44 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) in
Attila <Attila> wrote:
thomas p
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The policies of some governments, including the one in the US today,
have increased poverty, for example massive tax cuts for the very
wealthy; which naturally puts a great burden on everybody below that
level. The intention is not to increase poverty, but that is the
inevitable result.
What tax cuts? The cuts have been across the board, with a higher
percentage for lower level incomes.
No need to continue. The above speaks for itself. Bye.
Do you disagree? There are many more tax breaks for lower income than
higher income
You're full of *****.
Another typical fact-filled and thoughtful response.
Appropos to your ***** claim.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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06 Dec 2005 07:12:53 AM |
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On 5 Dec 2005 20:14:44 -0800, (Ray Fischer) in
alt.abortion with message-id <dn337k$3tv$1@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) in
Attila <Attila> wrote:
thomas p
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The policies of some governments, including the one in the US today,
have increased poverty, for example massive tax cuts for the very
wealthy; which naturally puts a great burden on everybody below that
level. The intention is not to increase poverty, but that is the
inevitable result.
What tax cuts? The cuts have been across the board, with a higher
percentage for lower level incomes.
No need to continue. The above speaks for itself. Bye.
Do you disagree? There are many more tax breaks for lower income than
higher income
You're full of *****.
Another typical fact-filled and thoughtful response.
Appropos to your ***** claim.
Which is easily supported by minimal research.
You simply despise the idea that some have more than others. Tough.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Dec 2005 10:39:10 AM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
On 5 Dec 2005 20:14:44 -0800, (Ray Fischer) in
alt.abortion with message-id <dn337k$3tv$1@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) in
Attila <Attila> wrote:
thomas p
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The policies of some governments, including the one in the US today,
have increased poverty, for example massive tax cuts for the very
wealthy; which naturally puts a great burden on everybody below that
level. The intention is not to increase poverty, but that is the
inevitable result.
What tax cuts? The cuts have been across the board, with a higher
percentage for lower level incomes.
No need to continue. The above speaks for itself. Bye.
Do you disagree? There are many more tax breaks for lower income than
higher income
You're full of *****.
Another typical fact-filled and thoughtful response.
Appropos to your ***** claim.
Which is easily supported by minimal research.
"Minimal research" is how I know that your claim is *****.
You simply despise the idea that some have more than others.
Ad hominem.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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06 Dec 2005 03:37:05 PM |
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On 6 Dec 2005 08:39:10 -0800, (Ray Fischer) in
alt.abortion with message-id <dn4ere$124$1@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
On 5 Dec 2005 20:14:44 -0800, (Ray Fischer) in
alt.abortion with message-id <dn337k$3tv$1@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) in
Attila <Attila> wrote:
thomas p
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
The policies of some governments, including the one in the US today,
have increased poverty, for example massive tax cuts for the very
wealthy; which naturally puts a great burden on everybody below that
level. The intention is not to increase poverty, but that is the
inevitable result.
What tax cuts? The cuts have been across the board, with a higher
percentage for lower level incomes.
No need to continue. The above speaks for itself. Bye.
Do you disagree? There are many more tax breaks for lower income than
higher income
You're full of *****.
Another typical fact-filled and thoughtful response.
Appropos to your ***** claim.
Which is easily supported by minimal research.
"Minimal research" is how I know that your claim is *****.
Sure.
You simply despise the idea that some have more than others.
Ad hominem.
An Accurate statement.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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01 Dec 2005 12:06:14 AM |
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thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 29 Nov 2005 10:01:13 -0800, (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
thomas p
The American Indians did it, as did Israel with their Kibbutz. It
just will not work for an evolved and complex economy and political
structure.
In other words it will not work.
Not for anything beyond a small and close knit society. Human
psychological factors quickly distort the pure economics. Politics is
thus born.
The problem is in comparing different systems that are described by
the same word. Precisely because of human nature, the economic system
advocated by Marx cannot work
And capitalism has the same problem. Because it concentrates wealth,
capitalism leads to oligarchy. Wealth for a few and abject poverty
for the masses.
No system is perfect, but, despite the drawbacks, capitalism has, in
fact, worked now for centuries.
That claim is complete *****. The last time pure capitalism was
tried it led to mass poverty, dramatically shortened lifespans, and
a very few people getting very wealthy.
Capitalism is very good at producing
wealth.
No, it is NOT very good at producing wealth, because monopolies
stifle innovation and productivity.
It fails when it comes to distrubuting that wealth fairly.
Fails miserably.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "thomas p" |
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01 Dec 2005 07:10:33 AM |
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On 30 Nov 2005 22:06:14 -0800, (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 29 Nov 2005 10:01:13 -0800, (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
thomas p
The American Indians did it, as did Israel with their Kibbutz. It
just will not work for an evolved and complex economy and political
structure.
In other words it will not work.
Not for anything beyond a small and close knit society. Human
psychological factors quickly distort the pure economics. Politics is
thus born.
The problem is in comparing different systems that are described by
the same word. Precisely because of human nature, the economic system
advocated by Marx cannot work
And capitalism has the same problem. Because it concentrates wealth,
capitalism leads to oligarchy. Wealth for a few and abject poverty
for the masses.
No system is perfect, but, despite the drawbacks, capitalism has, in
fact, worked now for centuries.
That claim is complete *****.
It is also misinterpreted and taken out of context.
The last time pure capitalism was
tried it led to mass poverty, dramatically shortened lifespans, and
a very few people getting very wealthy.
The only point I was making, and I clarified it below, was that
capitalism is an excellent method of producing wealth. I made no
other claim about it, and I have also pointed out that pure capitalism
would be a disaster.
Capitalism is very good at producing
wealth.
No, it is NOT very good at producing wealth, because monopolies
stifle innovation and productivity.
Monopolies and a socially dangerous concentration of wealth are
included in the imperfections. Besides the social problems,
monopolies are another reason that capitalism has to be regulated.
Obviously, on the other hand, capitalism has produced a great deal of
wealth.
It fails when it comes to distrubuting that wealth fairly.
Fails miserably.
As I said before, what seems to be needed is a mix of socialism and
capitalism. It works fairly well here, but, once again, nothing is
perfect; especially when people are involved.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:28:44 AM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 00:04:07 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1133078647.746104.290170@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
David Jensen wrote:
On 25 Nov 2005 02:18:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
<1132913893.642175.299350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
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Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
Irishmen. Being Catholic is a circumstance.
Put it this way: Most Irish are religious. Of those who are
religious, most are Catholic. Or those who are not Catholic, most are
Anglican Protestant. Anglican Protestand means they are subjects of
the Queen of England, emotionally, politically, etc.
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Really? Could you point to that in Marx's writings? I was under the
impression that egalitarianism was the primary precept. Marx, of course,
thought that religions were used to control people.
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27 Nov 2005 02:20:45 PM |
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Terry Cross <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Marxism and communism are economic and political ideas - not
religious. But it's typical of the religious fanatic to be
flagrantly hypocritical by murdering and demonizing others
for murder and demonization.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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27 Nov 2005 04:33:56 PM |
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On 27 Nov 2005 12:20:45 -0800, (Ray Fischer)
in alt.abortion with message-id <dmd4et$mjg$1@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Terry Cross <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote:
David Jensen wrote:
"Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> wrote in
The issue is politics, not religion. Next we shall discuss the
hundreds of millions of murders by Communist Atheists.
Did they do that in the name of atheism?
"In the name of," indeed. Atheism is the primary precept of Marxist
Communism.
Marxism and communism are economic and political ideas - not
religious. But it's typical of the religious fanatic to be
flagrantly hypocritical by murdering and demonizing others
for murder and demonization.
I have concluded these fanatics are unable to separate religion from
anything else in their lives. They simply cannot comprehend anything
that does not include a superstition.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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25 Nov 2005 04:30:34 AM |
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Terry Cross wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 20:27:18 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132892838.166432.188250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 19:50:27 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132890627.053344.185860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 16:02:11 -0800, "Terry Cross" <tcross77@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1132874998.942244.294540@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:14:05 +0000, "<Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ph0co11v5tairl0ep587cgqp1ru8qopljt@4ax.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
What conflict?
Ever heard of Protestants? Non-Conformists? Quakers? Shakers? Mormons?
Jehovah's Witnesses? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Arklesiezurists?
Anglicans? Deists? Moonies? Raelians? Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Not to mention Northern Ireland and Iraq.
Northern Ireland has had absolutely no problems with Iraq. I don't
know how these rumors get started.
In both places members of similar religions are killing each other
over details.
Iraq's problems are a civil war that the United States fomented. The
war is between the quizlings of Iraq and the nationalists. It has
nothing to do with religion.
There are two Muslim factions trying to kill each other off.
The war in Ireland was the similar. The issue was always over the
return of Norther Ireland to the Republic of Eire. The issue is
confusing because most of the the Northern Ireland Orange Protestants
are loyal to the Queen of England, who is "God's Vicar on Earth." The
assertion that it was a "religious war" breaks down when you realize
the Pope had no stake in the war.
Not when you realize one religion is on one side and the other
religion is on the other side. Coincidence?
The Protestants are led (in religion) by the Queen of England. The
Sothern Catholics are opposed (in politics) to the Queen of England.
Admitedly, it is a mess. But it is not a religious war.
TCross
Without religion there would be no protestants for the Queen to lead,
and no unified group (like catholics) to oppose them.
The Catholic Irish oppose the Queen because they are nationalist
TCross
it is beyond your average pathology now it is probably brain
disintegration at this stage
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21 Nov 2005 01:54:12 PM |
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on 21 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet <Yournamehere>'s personal
Cthulhu (yournamehere@martyrdom.org) made the light shine upon us with
this:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> suddenly spluttered:
No, but he're right. Take away God and we return to rape, loot, and
plunder.
<piggybacking>
Ah, yes, all those fine moral acts approved by the bible.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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20 Nov 2005 11:42:44 PM |
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words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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21 Nov 2005 03:42:50 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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21 Nov 2005 11:04:52 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132566170.223812.49560@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink an eye.
Why?
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21 Nov 2005 11:36:32 PM |
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132566170.223812.49560@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink an eye.
Why?
Because we are allowed to eat....
Do you not like to eat?
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22 Nov 2005 12:16:31 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132637792.411975.124780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132566170.223812.49560@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do
as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new
set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink an
eye.
Why?
Because we are allowed to eat....
You've obviously missed the point.
The question is why you're not upset about the wholesale slaughter of the
cows, and you seem to care so much about the fetuses.
Do you not like to eat?
Not cows, no.
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22 Nov 2005 12:15:46 AM |
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132637792.411975.124780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132566170.223812.49560@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do
as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new
set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink an
eye.
Why?
Because we are allowed to eat....
You've obviously missed the point.
The question is why you're not upset about the wholesale slaughter of the
cows, and you seem to care so much about the fetuses.
If you read Genesis you would know why.
Hint: After Noah
Are we not supposed to eat?
Do you not like to eat?
Not cows, no.
Why?
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22 Nov 2005 12:21:27 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture?
For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to
do
as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole
new
set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink an
eye.
Why?
Because we are allowed to eat....
You've obviously missed the point.
The question is why you're not upset about the wholesale slaughter of the
cows, and you seem to care so much about the fetuses.
If you read Genesis you would know why.
I've read Genesis. It's irrelevent.
Hint: After Noah
Are we not supposed to eat?
There are many things you can eat.
Now back to the question: Why are you so concerned about the fetuses but not
the cows, or the chickens?
Do you not like to eat?
Not cows, no.
Why?
Personal preference.
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22 Nov 2005 03:51:11 AM |
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Now back to the question: Why are you so concerned about the fetuses but not
the cows, or the chickens?
And why such insistence? Can you smell a rat?
They are not comparable, are they? At least legally there is a
difference which is very hard to remove.
Why is it so difficult to eliminate that difference?
Why?
Do you not like to eat?
Not cows, no.
Why?
Personal preference.
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| User: "osprey" |
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22 Nov 2005 12:30:30 AM |
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132637792.411975.124780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132566170.223812.49560@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture?
For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to
do
as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole
new
set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink an
eye.
Why?
Because we are allowed to eat....
You've obviously missed the point.
The question is why you're not upset about the wholesale slaughter of the
cows, and you seem to care so much about the fetuses.
If you read Genesis you would know why.
I've read Genesis. It's irrelevent.
Then why ask if you are not going to accept my answer?
Hint: After Noah
Are we not supposed to eat?
There are many things you can eat.
Now back to the question: Why are you so concerned about the fetuses but not
the cows, or the chickens?
I would be concerned about all human life. I am equally concerned for
animals that are unnecessarily killed. I am a sportsman and I will
kill only what I eat and I shop at a grocery store and I also buy what
I eat. Simple as that. Other than that I am all for the preservation
of land for animals and I am for protecting species in danger. I am
for forest management and so forth.
Tell you what, I have a nice 120lb doe in my freezer. I am going to
have some chops tomorrow night with some wine, I will give you a toast
as I eat that chop..:o)
Anything else you would like to know?
Do you not like to eat?
Not cows, no.
Why?
Personal preference.
If it works for you, great.
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22 Nov 2005 12:57:53 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our
culture?
For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire
to
do
as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole
new
set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading
and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and
a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink
an
eye.
Why?
Because we are allowed to eat....
You've obviously missed the point.
The question is why you're not upset about the wholesale slaughter of
the
cows, and you seem to care so much about the fetuses.
If you read Genesis you would know why.
I've read Genesis. It's irrelevent.
Then why ask if you are not going to accept my answer?
You've not given an answer that has anything to do with Genesis.
Hint: After Noah
Are we not supposed to eat?
There are many things you can eat.
Now back to the question: Why are you so concerned about the fetuses but
not
the cows, or the chickens?
I would be concerned about all human life.
So would I. But what the hell does that have to do with the fetuses you were
posting about before?
I am equally concerned for
animals that are unnecessarily killed. I am a sportsman and I will
kill only what I eat and I shop at a grocery store and I also buy what
I eat. Simple as that. Other than that I am all for the preservation
of land for animals and I am for protecting species in danger. I am
for forest management and so forth.
Well, that's nice, I guess.
Tell you what, I have a nice 120lb doe in my freezer. I am going to
have some chops tomorrow night with some wine, I will give you a toast
as I eat that chop..:o)
Anything else you would like to know?
Yes. What does any of that have to do with why you're so concerned about the
fetuses? Are you saying it would be better if you ate the fetuses instead of
letting them go to waste?
Do you not like to eat?
Not cows, no.
Why?
Personal preference.
If it works for you, great.
Seems to.
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| User: "osprey" |
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22 Nov 2005 01:06:32 AM |
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132640146.655982.117930@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1132637792.411975.124780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Mark Stahl wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our
culture?
For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire
to
do
as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole
new
set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading
and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and
a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions
Millions?
of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Millions of cows are cut up, grilled, and eaten and you don't blink
an
eye.
Why?
Because we are allowed to eat....
You've obviously missed the point.
The question is why you're not upset about the wholesale slaughter of
the
cows, and you seem to care so much about the fetuses.
If you read Genesis you would know why.
I've read Genesis. It's irrelevent.
Then why ask if you are not going to accept my answer?
You've not given an answer that has anything to do with Genesis.
You asked why I am not upset about the wholesale slaughter of the cows
and I told you why. Because we consume cattle, they are a source of
protein.
Hint: After Noah
Are we not supposed to eat?
There are many things you can eat.
Now back to the question: Why are you so concerned about the fetuses but
not
the cows, or the chickens?
I would be concerned about all human life.
So would I. But what the hell does that have to do with the fetuses you were
posting about before?
Because in my opinion and probably most others, the fetus is a human
being...human life unnecessarily destroyed.
However, to put your mind at ease, I am not like the type of person who
stands against abortion and the stereotype many pro-choice hold.
I don't protest
I don't think women should be controlled
I don't think women should be forced
I just think the choice is wrong, simple as that. It's an issue, and
like most other issues we have our opinions.
I am equally concerned for
animals that are unnecessarily killed. I am a sportsman and I will
kill only what I eat and I shop at a grocery store and I also buy what
I eat. Simple as that. Other than that I am all for the preservation
of land for animals and I am for protecting species in danger. I am
for forest management and so forth.
Well, that's nice, I guess.
Tell you what, I have a nice 120lb doe in my freezer. I am going to
have some chops tomorrow night with some wine, I will give you a toast
as I eat that chop..:o)
Anything else you would like to know?
Yes. What does any of that have to do with why you're so concerned about the
fetuses?
Why do you want to know why I am so "concerned" about fetuses? I told
you, it's just an issue and I voice my opinion. I don't lose any sleep
over it.
Are you saying it would be better if you ate the fetuses instead of
letting them go to waste?
Come on now...are we going to be serious or not?
Do you not like to eat?
Not cows, no.
Why?
Personal preference.
If it works for you, great.
Seems to.
Good, my wife doesn't eat meat either.
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21 Nov 2005 05:19:45 AM |
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On 21 Nov 2005 01:42:50 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Doing that is an atheist thing.
duke
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 05:19:45 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<u8b3o1ti1r9mc2e2ilu87v2dern79hq30v@4ax.com> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2005 01:42:50 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Doing that is an atheist thing.
In that case it is obvious there are a lot more atheists out there
than the numbers indicate.
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21 Nov 2005 06:49:04 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 05:19:45 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 21 Nov 2005 01:42:50 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
words of truth <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Without God
Saturday, August 6, 2005
http://www.courierpostonline.com
Won't it be wonderful when we finally get God out of our culture? For
more than two centuries, we have been frustrated in our desire to do as
we please without any interference. Soon, we will enjoy a whole new set
of rules more to our liking.
Instead of bunring inocent people alive at the stake, invading and
killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people, genocide, and a
legacy of hate and murder stretching back thousands of years.
Why should you care? Millions of fetus are cut up, suck-out of the
womb, and tossed into trash cans and you don't blink an eye.
Doing that is an atheist thing.
I guess that explains why Catholic women are slightly more likely than
the overall average to have an abortion, huh?
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23 Nov 2005 11:46:15 AM |
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words of truth wrote:
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....one less cluttered.
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21 Nov 2005 05:48:13 AM |
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words of truth wrote:
Without God
I live in a nation which, to all intents and purposes, is without God.
It is a very good nation - a good place to live, very very few go
around raping and murdering, and we don't eat aborted foetuses and
indulge in orgies - well, not that often any way.
The only things that spoil it are the minority religious nutcases who
strap explosives to themselves and then blow themselves up on a crowded
tube train.
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| User: "Bill Smith" |
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21 Nov 2005 09:47:01 AM |
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Out of curiosity, what nation do you live in?
- Bill
JPG wrote:
I live in a nation which, to all intents and purposes, is without God.
It is a very good nation - a good place to live, very very few go
around raping and murdering, and we don't eat aborted foetuses and
indulge in orgies - well, not that often any way.
The only things that spoil it are the minority religious nutcases who
strap explosives to themselves and then blow themselves up on a crowded
tube train.
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