Religions > Atheism > Howard Dean says Republicans "never made an honest living in their lives"
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08 Jun 2005 11:32:52 AM |
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Howard Dean says Republicans "never made an honest living in their lives" |
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that
Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they
are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian
party."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/08/dean.gop.ap/index.html
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| User: "JTEM" |
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08 Jun 2005 02:53:35 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders
Monday that Republicans are "not very friendly to
different kinds of people, they are a pretty monolithic
party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian party."
So in other words, Howard Dean got it right again!
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09 Jun 2005 08:26:19 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders
Monday that Republicans are "not very friendly to
different kinds of people, they are a pretty monolithic
party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian party."
So in other words, Howard Dean got it right again!
Who was it who pointed out that the Democrats
don't want involvement with minorities but
need them, while the Republicans don't
need minorities but want them?
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Daneel" |
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| Title: Re: Howard Dean says Republicans "never made an honest living in their lives" |
08 Jun 2005 03:03:54 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
FreeThink wrote:
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders
Monday that Republicans are "not very friendly to
different kinds of people, they are a pretty monolithic
party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian party."
So in other words, Howard Dean got it right again!
I had reservations about Dean, but now like him more
and more by the day.
bye
Daneel [aa #323 | U of E student #000666]
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***Mediocracy***, n.
Theoretical form of government, never yet put into
practice, whereby power is concentrated in the hands
of the mediocre. Most experts consider this system
decidedly inferior to the forms of government already
in place around the world (chiefly autocracy,
democracy, and the various other types of
hypocracy), in which power devolves automatically
to those most competent to abuse it.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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08 Jun 2005 08:22:20 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118248371.979224.256060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that
Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they
are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian
party."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/08/dean.gop.ap/index.html
Three cheers for Dean for having the guts to tell the truth!
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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09 Jun 2005 03:25:38 AM |
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In article <1118248371.979224.256060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that
Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they
are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian
party."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/08/dean.gop.ap/index.html
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think before
speaking. The poor sap.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Jun 2005 03:49:46 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think
before speaking. The poor sap.
I have to disagree. He's not a candidate, he's the party chairman.
He's speaking directly to his core. He can do that. In fact, it's
about time someone did do that.
In the end, the voters are asked to vote for the candidates and
not the chairman. So he can say all those things that aren't
exactly "polite," connecting with the like minded, while still
on tarnishing the candidates.
How effective is this strategy? Just look at Bush!
Forget about the obvious ***** coming from Rumsfeld,
Cheney and the like, the best example was during the
campaign.
The "I didn't say it so don't blame me" game was played
by Bush to the max. It got so bad that factcheck.org
actually went so far as to "debunk" an ad put out by an
anti-Bush group that talked about Bush's support for
the "outsourcing" of jobs overseas.
Technically, Bush never once voiced any support for
"outsourcing," but his administration did. And they did
more than simply voice support, they approved of it,
refusing to so much as consider any new
legislation/regulations to curtail it. So the Bush
administration policy was (and is) to bless job "outsourcing,"
and officials within his administration went on record
as supporting it, but factcheck.org "debunked" the charge
that Bush supported "outsourcing" because, now get this,
he never actually said it.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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09 Jun 2005 08:00:03 PM |
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In article <p9WdnVyGX_UenTXfRVn-rw@comcast.com>,
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think
before speaking. The poor sap.
I have to disagree. He's not a candidate, he's the party chairman.
He's speaking directly to his core. He can do that. In fact, it's
about time someone did do that.
I was only referring to the fact that he was making a blanket statement
that is sure to be seen as a personal insult to the Republicans who have
in fact worked at an honest living. I expect there are a pretty decent
number of them, and now they have their backs up.
In the end, the voters are asked to vote for the candidates and
not the chairman. So he can say all those things that aren't
exactly "polite," connecting with the like minded, while still
on tarnishing the candidates.
How effective is this strategy? Just look at Bush!
My guess is that it is just as polarizing as things the Republicans have
said. Do we really need a Democratic party that wants to beat the
Repubicans at their own game of nastiness?
<snip>
If anything, the Democrats need to find a way to rise above that *****
and connect with voters in a new way.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Howard Dean says Republicans "never made an honest living in their lives" |
09 Jun 2005 08:26:57 PM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in
news:nemo0037-D3995E.21001409062005@news1.west.earthlink.net:
In article <p9WdnVyGX_UenTXfRVn-rw@comcast.com>,
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think
before speaking. The poor sap.
I have to disagree. He's not a candidate, he's the party chairman.
He's speaking directly to his core. He can do that. In fact, it's
about time someone did do that.
I was only referring to the fact that he was making a blanket
statement that is sure to be seen as a personal insult to the
Republicans who have in fact worked at an honest living. I expect
there are a pretty decent number of them, and now they have their
backs up.
That would be putting it mildly.
In the end, the voters are asked to vote for the candidates and
not the chairman. So he can say all those things that aren't
exactly "polite," connecting with the like minded, while still
on tarnishing the candidates.
How effective is this strategy? Just look at Bush!
My guess is that it is just as polarizing as things the Republicans
have said. Do we really need a Democratic party that wants to beat the
Repubicans at their own game of nastiness?
Dean seems to be splitting the Democrats over his excessive rhetoric.
Joe Biden and a few others have felt the need to publicly distance
themselves from his comments.
<snip>
If anything, the Democrats need to find a way to rise above that *****
and connect with voters in a new way.
Both parties' cores have trouble with letting their moderates be
moderates. The recent compromise on judicial nominees by the "Gang of
fourteen" is a perfect illustration. Both sides' radical wings are
complaining they have been betrayed.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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09 Jun 2005 04:52:57 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think
before speaking. The poor sap.
I have to disagree. He's not a candidate, he's the party chairman.
He's speaking directly to his core. He can do that. In fact, it's
about time someone did do that.
In the end, the voters are asked to vote for the candidates and
not the chairman. So he can say all those things that aren't
exactly "polite," connecting with the like minded, while still
on tarnishing the candidates.
I agree. He is being more productive in advancing the Democratic party
than hurting it, at least at this stage of the game. He has been very
active in organizing the Democrats at the grass-roots level. That
requires preaching to the choir. He has even endorsed the socialist
Bernie Sanders in his run for the Senate. He just needs to fade into
the background or tone his rhetoric down before the presidential
primary campaign begins in ernest.
It is not as easy for Democrats to rally the troops as it is for the
Republicans. Democrats don't have as many rhetoric spouting Rush
Limbaugh types as the Republicans do. They also don't have a ready made
grass-roots system like organized religion to utilize.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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09 Jun 2005 03:55:08 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote
Oops. Sorry, I got it wrong. It was a Kerry ad that
factcheck.org <spit> <spit> supposedly "debunked,"
because Bush never actually went on record saying
that he supported "outsourcing."
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=168.html
Keep in mind: In no uncertain terms the Bush administration
always supported job "outsourcing," arguing that in the
long run it would mean more jobs for Americans. That was
(and remains) the Bush administration policy, that is exactly
what members of his administration went on record as
saying.
So, it would be quite a stretch to pin Howard Dean's words
on any Democratic candidate, even as Howard Dean shores
up the base.
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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09 Jun 2005 08:53:25 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:25:38 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <1118248371.979224.256060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that
Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they
are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian
party."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/08/dean.gop.ap/index.html
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think before
speaking. The poor sap.
He's a Republican plant ;-)
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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09 Jun 2005 09:27:53 PM |
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atheist@home wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:25:38 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think before
speaking. The poor sap.
He's a Republican plant ;-)
That would deserve more than a wink if Republicans and their Fox
newscasters weren't so frantically dismissing him.
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| User: "" |
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10 Jun 2005 04:03:19 PM |
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John Popelish wrote:
atheist@home wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:25:38 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think before
speaking. The poor sap.
He's a Republican plant ;-)
That would deserve more than a wink if Republicans and their Fox
newscasters weren't so frantically dismissing him.
That's necessary to maintain the masquerade, isn't it? :-)
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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10 Jun 2005 07:14:53 PM |
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wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
atheist@home wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:25:38 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
It's unfortunate that Dean hasn't figured out how to think before
speaking. The poor sap.
He's a Republican plant ;-)
That would deserve more than a wink if Republicans and their Fox
newscasters weren't so frantically dismissing him.
That's necessary to maintain the masquerade, isn't it? :-)
Given that most party politics is a puppet show, these days, who can
say what it takes to maintain the masquerade? We haven't had much of
anything else for years.
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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08 Jun 2005 05:26:23 PM |
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On 8 Jun 2005 09:32:52 -0700, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that
Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they
are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian
party."
And he's right, at least for the most vocal parts of it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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08 Jun 2005 09:59:20 PM |
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:n1sea1t4lacm3f7vqlkfoeau2d9267o521@4ax.com:
On 8 Jun 2005 09:32:52 -0700, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that
Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they
are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian
party."
And he's right, at least for the most vocal parts of it.
Yeah, Condi Rice and Alberto Gonzalez are just quiet little mice.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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| User: "maff" |
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10 Jun 2005 05:42:39 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:n1sea1t4lacm3f7vqlkfoeau2d9267o521@4ax.com:
On 8 Jun 2005 09:32:52 -0700, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dean told a forum of journalists and minority leaders Monday that
Republicans are "not very friendly to different kinds of people, they
are a pretty monolithic party ... it's pretty much a white, Christian
party."
And he's right, at least for the most vocal parts of it.
Yeah, Condi Rice and Alberto Gonzalez are just quiet little mice.
But Condi Rice or Alberto Gonzalez won't be elected for any office by
racist Confederates and Christian fundamentalists. Your own base will
disown them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Even if the grass is greener on the other side,
they still have to cut it.
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