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13 Dec 2007 12:45:16 AM |
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith |
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The
New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the
up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November
2008 presidential election.
Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I
think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the
newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."
Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are
brothers?"
Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about
the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.
"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just
not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former
Massachusetts governor said.
"That's been something that's been leveled at our church over many many
years and of course that's been set straight now," he added.
Huckabee, a Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor, has surged in
public opinion polls and is now ahead of Romney in polls in Iowa, which
holds its caucus, the first test of the U.S. state-by-state nominating
season, on Jan 3.
Romney responded with a sharp attack on Huckabee's positions on issues
such as immigration and taxing and spending. "I think Mike was
desperately hoping we would get through this without people taking a
close look at his positions and his record," he said.
After a debate in Iowa on Wednesday, Huckabee apologized for the
comment, made before Romney gave a major speech last week trying to
dispel fears about his church, known as The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, particularly among conservative Christians, a key
voting bloc.
"After the debate today I went to Mitt Romney and apologized to him,
because I said, I would never try, ever, to try to somehow pick out some
point of your faith and make it, you know, an issue," he said on CNN.
He added the comment was taken out of context during a long conversation
with the Times reporter. "I asked the question, because I had heard
that, and I asked it not to create something. I never thought it would
make the story."
Religious scholars said under Mormonism all of God's children are
brothers and sisters, including Jesus and Satan, but Satan would be
considered a disinherited member of God's family who was cast out of
God's presence for eternity.
"Spiritually, all God's children are brothers and sisters, so Huckabee
would also be the brother of Satan," said Francis Beckwith, who teaches
a course on politics and religion at Baylor University in Waco, Texas.
"The way it was expressed by Huckabee is a crude way of putting
something that is more complicated than that," he said. "It would be
like saying under Catholicism they eat Jesus' flesh. It's a
sensationalist way of presenting it."
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http://tinyurl.com/36wmkq
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| User: "thomas p." |
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13 Dec 2007 08:54:43 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:jhachmann-5C8FD2.22451612122007@news.giganews.com...
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The
New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the
up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November
2008 presidential election.
Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I
think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the
newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."
Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are
brothers?"
Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about
the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.
"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just
not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former
Massachusetts governor said.
On the other hand neither one of them has anything against attacking people
with no religion - or with a religion they know the majority does not like
or is afraid of.
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Dec 2007 12:34:13 AM |
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In article <476147b3$0$2087$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk>,
"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:jhachmann-5C8FD2.22451612122007@news.giganews.com...
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The
New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the
up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November
2008 presidential election.
Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I
think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the
newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."
Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are
brothers?"
Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about
the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.
"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just
not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former
Massachusetts governor said.
On the other hand neither one of them has anything against attacking people
with no religion - or with a religion they know the majority does not like
or is afraid of.
snip
Of course not. We're one of the last groups who they can attack with
impunity.
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John #1782
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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13 Dec 2007 12:02:27 PM |
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In article <jhachmann-5C8FD2.22451612122007@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Oh. My. God.
Make no mistake. Huckabee is a certifiable religious loon. Worse even
than the current theocrat president.
I sincerely HOPE he gets the nomination. The ONLY issue will be his
inability to focus on ANY topic without being filtered through some
sort of WWJD fog of "thought."
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith |
14 Dec 2007 12:29:43 AM |
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In article <131220071002276938%chibiabos@nospam.com>,
chibiabos <chibiabos@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-5C8FD2.22451612122007@news.giganews.com>, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Oh. My. God.
Make no mistake. Huckabee is a certifiable religious loon. Worse even
than the current theocrat president.
I sincerely HOPE he gets the nomination. The ONLY issue will be his
inability to focus on ANY topic without being filtered through some
sort of WWJD fog of "thought."
He is a loon, but sadly there are many other loons out there who believe
the same nonsense.
-chib
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John #1782
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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13 Dec 2007 12:11:17 PM |
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On Dec 12, 10:45 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The
New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the
up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November
2008 presidential election.
Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I
think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the
newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."
Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are
brothers?"
Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about
the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.
"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just
not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former
Massachusetts governor said.
There it is. Discussing religion is taboo. Not anymore, Mit.
Whatever these freaks say is really besides the point, the major
breakthrough here is that the media no longer views religious
questions as taboo. This is a beautiful moment in US history.
* snip *
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Dec 2007 12:27:59 AM |
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In article
<e017cc77-e63f-4ab2-994c-62154b01f0ea@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 12, 10:45 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
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Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The
New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the
up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November
2008 presidential election.
Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I
think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the
newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."
Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are
brothers?"
Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about
the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.
"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just
not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former
Massachusetts governor said.
There it is. Discussing religion is taboo. Not anymore, Mit.
Whatever these freaks say is really besides the point, the major
breakthrough here is that the media no longer views religious
questions as taboo. This is a beautiful moment in US history.
* snip *
I see it as threatening. From now on will a religious test for president
be required? I see that they are shredding article VI of the
Constitution now too.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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13 Dec 2007 11:29:59 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:45:16 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
---
Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The
New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the
up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November
2008 presidential election.
Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I
think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the
newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."
Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are
brothers?"
Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about
the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.
"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just
not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former
Massachusetts governor said.
"That's been something that's been leveled at our church over many many
years and of course that's been set straight now," he added.
Huckabee, a Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor, has surged in
public opinion polls and is now ahead of Romney in polls in Iowa, which
holds its caucus, the first test of the U.S. state-by-state nominating
season, on Jan 3.
Romney responded with a sharp attack on Huckabee's positions on issues
such as immigration and taxing and spending. "I think Mike was
desperately hoping we would get through this without people taking a
close look at his positions and his record," he said.
After a debate in Iowa on Wednesday, Huckabee apologized for the
comment, made before Romney gave a major speech last week trying to
dispel fears about his church, known as The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, particularly among conservative Christians, a key
voting bloc.
"After the debate today I went to Mitt Romney and apologized to him,
because I said, I would never try, ever, to try to somehow pick out some
point of your faith and make it, you know, an issue," he said on CNN.
He added the comment was taken out of context during a long conversation
with the Times reporter. "I asked the question, because I had heard
that, and I asked it not to create something. I never thought it would
make the story."
Religious scholars said under Mormonism all of God's children are
brothers and sisters, including Jesus and Satan, but Satan would be
considered a disinherited member of God's family who was cast out of
God's presence for eternity.
"Spiritually, all God's children are brothers and sisters, so Huckabee
would also be the brother of Satan," said Francis Beckwith, who teaches
a course on politics and religion at Baylor University in Waco, Texas.
"The way it was expressed by Huckabee is a crude way of putting
something that is more complicated than that," he said. "It would be
like saying under Catholicism they eat Jesus' flesh. It's a
sensationalist way of presenting it."
So now the sensationlists are crude? Can't we all just get along?
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http://tinyurl.com/36wmkq
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John #1782
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Dec 2007 12:32:00 AM |
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In article <47616ab9.1393856379@Newsgroups.Comcast.net>,
(William Wingstedt) wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:45:16 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
After some of the outrageous statements that Huckabee has made, he how
has the audacity to attack somebody else's religion.
---
Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
By Joanne KenenWed Dec 12, 6:04 PM ET
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said he considers his
rival Mitt Romney's Mormon faith a religion, not a cult, but questioned
whether Mormons believe "Jesus and the devil are brothers."
Huckabee raised the question on his own in an interview to appear in The
New York Times magazine on Sunday, and ignited a new flap in the
up-for-grabs race to be the Republican Party's nominee in the November
2008 presidential election.
Huckabee was asked if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. "I
think it's a religion," he said in the interview, published on the
newspaper's Web site on Wednesday. "I really don't know much about it."
Then he asked: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are
brothers?"
Romney, who has tried to dispel conservative Christians' worries about
the Mormon faith, responded on NBC's "Today" show on Wednesday.
"I think attacking someone's religion is really going too far. It's just
not the American way. and I think people will reject that," the former
Massachusetts governor said.
"That's been something that's been leveled at our church over many many
years and of course that's been set straight now," he added.
Huckabee, a Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor, has surged in
public opinion polls and is now ahead of Romney in polls in Iowa, which
holds its caucus, the first test of the U.S. state-by-state nominating
season, on Jan 3.
Romney responded with a sharp attack on Huckabee's positions on issues
such as immigration and taxing and spending. "I think Mike was
desperately hoping we would get through this without people taking a
close look at his positions and his record," he said.
After a debate in Iowa on Wednesday, Huckabee apologized for the
comment, made before Romney gave a major speech last week trying to
dispel fears about his church, known as The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, particularly among conservative Christians, a key
voting bloc.
"After the debate today I went to Mitt Romney and apologized to him,
because I said, I would never try, ever, to try to somehow pick out some
point of your faith and make it, you know, an issue," he said on CNN.
He added the comment was taken out of context during a long conversation
with the Times reporter. "I asked the question, because I had heard
that, and I asked it not to create something. I never thought it would
make the story."
Religious scholars said under Mormonism all of God's children are
brothers and sisters, including Jesus and Satan, but Satan would be
considered a disinherited member of God's family who was cast out of
God's presence for eternity.
"Spiritually, all God's children are brothers and sisters, so Huckabee
would also be the brother of Satan," said Francis Beckwith, who teaches
a course on politics and religion at Baylor University in Waco, Texas.
"The way it was expressed by Huckabee is a crude way of putting
something that is more complicated than that," he said. "It would be
like saying under Catholicism they eat Jesus' flesh. It's a
sensationalist way of presenting it."
So now the sensationlists are crude? Can't we all just get along?
I don't know about crude, but some of these people sound like fanatics.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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13 Dec 2007 08:48:14 AM |
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johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:jhachmann-
5C8FD2.22451612122007@news.giganews.com:
Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
kOOkfight!
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing."
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Dec 2007 12:37:19 AM |
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In article <Xns972B453B2C42255229@130.133.1.4>,
Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:jhachmann-
5C8FD2.22451612122007@news.giganews.com:
Huckabee questions tenet of Romney's Mormon faith
kOOkfight!
It is bizarre. With all of the important issues facing the country and
the planet, they're wasting time discussing whether or not two fictional
characters were brothers. I hope they just keep on digging their hole
deeper.
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John #1782
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