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23 Apr 2005 07:30:02 AM |
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HUMAN BEINGS THE EYES OF THE UNIVERSE |
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After 12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind. The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
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24 Apr 2005 08:20:55 AM |
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"Hybrassil University". Yeah, right. That's all I needed to hear.
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23 Apr 2005 02:09:48 PM |
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"PRESS INC." <pressinc@hotmail.co.uk> announced:
[etc.]
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter".
[etc.]
And we celebrated it by producing Jack Chick tracts.
Sue
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"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
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| User: "Scott" |
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23 Apr 2005 11:36:17 PM |
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"PRESS INC." <pressinc@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1114259402.408463.258970@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After 12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind. The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
sounds like he has an inflated self-image.
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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23 Apr 2005 08:55:47 AM |
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"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After 12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind. The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious and aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the image and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation." This has been the message of Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
Denny
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| User: "Joseph H" |
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27 Apr 2005 06:33:20 PM |
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bob young wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog
Professor Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved
a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary
privilege and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was
speaking at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have
been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious and
aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the image
and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary
privilege and
immense obligation." This has been the message of
Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
We are quirks of nature/evolution. It gave us expanded brain power,
like
the giraffe got a long neck and the ant eater a long nose for
sniffing out
ants.
Quirks? OK - except that a powerful brain has more implications than a
long neck or a long nose. Agree?
When man disappears all the gods will disappear along with him.
Most definitely true. But I hope it never happens..
No need to worry about the size of the universe then!
Mind you in a couple of billion years the Chimps may have learned to
talk
and then......... wait for it....not more gods!
Chimp gods? Jesus Chimp!
Joseph H
Groan.
Denny
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27 Apr 2005 06:39:08 PM |
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bob young wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog
Professor Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved
a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary
privilege and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was
speaking at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have
been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious and
aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the image
and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary
privilege and
immense obligation." This has been the message of
Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
We are quirks of nature/evolution. It gave us expanded brain power,
like
the giraffe got a long neck and the ant eater a long nose for
sniffing out
ants.
Quirks? OK - except that a powerful brain has more implications than a
long neck or a long nose. Agree?
When man disappears all the gods will disappear along with him.
Most definitely true. But I hope it never happens..
No need to worry about the size of the universe then!
Mind you in a couple of billion years the Chimps may have learned to
talk
and then......... wait for it....not more gods!
Chimp gods? Jesus Chimp!
Joseph H
Groan.
Denny
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23 Apr 2005 11:17:14 AM |
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dgillesp wrote:
"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege
and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking
at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious and
aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the image
and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary privilege
and
immense obligation." This has been the message of Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
Denny
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity". As I understand it
Professor Van Vockt suggests that we are fairly intimitely linked to
MATTER not to a certain preacher who trod his stuff some 2000 years
ago.
Chameleon
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23 Apr 2005 12:04:05 PM |
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chameleon wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege
and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking
at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious and
aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the image
and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary privilege
and
immense obligation." This has been the message of Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
Denny
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity". As I understand it
Professor Van Vockt suggests that we are fairly intimitely linked to
MATTER not to a certain preacher who trod his stuff some 2000 years
ago.
Chameleon
You don't find it noteworthy or perhaps even ironic that Van Vocht
concludes that man has been "endowed with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation" and he should go on to be "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". What with this being the same
revelation of centuries old religion, though admittedly Van Vocht
arrives at his conclusion by a quite different route.
"When I look at thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the
stars which thou hast established;
what is man that thou art mindful of him, and the son of man that thou
dost care for him?
Yet thou hast made him little less than God, and dost crown him with
glory and honor.
Thou hast given him dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put
all things under his feet."
Psalm 8.3-6
Denny
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23 Apr 2005 06:54:00 PM |
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"dgillesp" wrote
chameleon wrote:
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity". As I understand it
Professor Van Vockt suggests that we are fairly intimitely linked to
MATTER not to a certain preacher who trod his stuff some 2000 years
ago.
You don't find it noteworthy or perhaps even ironic that Van Vocht
concludes that man has been "endowed with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation" and he should go on to be "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". What with this being the same
revelation of centuries old religion, though admittedly Van Vocht
arrives at his conclusion by a quite different route.
It demonstrates the universality of certain forms of religious experiences.
But since they are common to most cultures, no one religion can lay
claim to them. It either counts in the favor of all of them or none of them.
--
Craig Franck
craig.franck@verizon.net
Cortland, NY
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| User: "chameleon" |
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24 Apr 2005 04:39:47 AM |
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Craig Franck wrote:
"dgillesp" wrote
chameleon wrote:
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity". As I understand
it
Professor Van Vockt suggests that we are fairly intimitely linked
to
MATTER not to a certain preacher who trod his stuff some 2000
years
ago.
You don't find it noteworthy or perhaps even ironic that Van Vocht
concludes that man has been "endowed with extraordinary privilege
and
immense obligation" and he should go on to be "The eyes, the ears
and
the voice of the known universe". What with this being the same
revelation of centuries old religion, though admittedly Van Vocht
arrives at his conclusion by a quite different route.
It demonstrates the universality of certain forms of religious
experiences.
But since they are common to most cultures, no one religion can lay
claim to them. It either counts in the favor of all of them or none
of them.
With respect, Craig, it demonstrates no such thing. There may well be
certain universal forms of religious experiences - but this is not one
of them. This, I think, is an effort to see things "as they are". What
makes it unique (and appealing to some people of a religious
disposition) is that the conclusion come to in this case is such an
affirmation of human existence and such an affirmatrion of life itself.
Best wishes
Chameleon
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Craig Franck
craig.franck@verizon.net
Cortland, NY
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24 Apr 2005 06:18:11 PM |
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"chameleon" wrote
Craig Franck wrote:
It demonstrates the universality of certain forms of religious
experiences.
But since they are common to most cultures, no one religion can lay
claim to them. It either counts in the favor of all of them or none
of them.
With respect, Craig, it demonstrates no such thing. There may well be
certain universal forms of religious experiences - but this is not one
of them.
William James would disagree. It all depends on interpretation, but the
thread of the reasoning of Van Vockt seems Vedantic.
This, I think, is an effort to see things "as they are". What
makes it unique (and appealing to some people of a religious
disposition) is that the conclusion come to in this case is such an
affirmation of human existence and such an affirmatrion of life itself.
And that's not religious? Even if it's some kind of existential humanism,
it clearly has elements that are religious.
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Craig Franck
craig.franck@verizon.net
Cortland, NY
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| User: "Joseph H" |
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26 Apr 2005 12:31:13 PM |
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Craig Franck wrote:
"chameleon" wrote
Craig Franck wrote:
It demonstrates the universality of certain forms of religious
experiences.
But since they are common to most cultures, no one religion can
lay
claim to them. It either counts in the favor of all of them or
none
of them.
With respect, Craig, it demonstrates no such thing. There may well
be
certain universal forms of religious experiences - but this is not
one
of them.
William James would disagree. It all depends on interpretation, but
the
thread of the reasoning of Van Vockt seems Vedantic.
This, I think, is an effort to see things "as they are". What
makes it unique (and appealing to some people of a religious
disposition) is that the conclusion come to in this case is such an
affirmation of human existence and such an affirmatrion of life
itself.
And that's not religious? Even if it's some kind of existential
humanism,
it clearly has elements that are religious.
Hi Craig....I'm interested in your point of view. But I disagree with
you. The fact that I affirm human existence and life itself does not
necessarily put me in the religious camp. Why should religion assume it
owns all affirmation? I associate religion with belief in some higher
power and some other life. I believe neither of those.
Exististentialism? Yeah, I think so. We're here; we're gifted; we're
intelligent - so let's take on the role of being the eyes and ears of
the universe.
Humanism? I don't know if i subscribe to the buttoned-down version of
humanism. I'd say most humanists would be chary of my contention - for
example - that we are "the mind of matter". I might be too apocalyptic
for them. But I suppose I must be a humanist. Certainly i believe that
human beings will eventually create a decent society. I believe the
bones of that society are already in place across most of the Northern
Hemisphere. It's just that we don't value it sufficiently. My notion of
"Humanisation" is designed to confer some kind of special status on
this society; also to further debate on which direction this society
should move in the future.
Best wishes
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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Craig Franck
craig.franck@verizon.net
Cortland, NY
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23 Apr 2005 11:13:29 PM |
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dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote:
chameleon wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
[etc.]
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity".
What is this "Judeo-Christianity" I keep hearing about? Is this a new
religion? It doesn't seem to have any synago-churches where I live.
You don't find it noteworthy or perhaps even ironic that Van Vocht
concludes that man has been "endowed with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation" and he should go on to be "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe".
[etc.]
I don't.
Sue
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"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
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23 Apr 2005 03:34:39 PM |
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dgillesp wrote:
chameleon wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog
Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter".
After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain
achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call
mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary
privilege
and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the
ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was
speaking
at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have
been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious
and
aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the
image
and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary
privilege
and
immense obligation." This has been the message of
Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
Denny
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity". As I understand it
Professor Van Vockt suggests that we are fairly intimitely linked
to
MATTER not to a certain preacher who trod his stuff some 2000 years
ago.
Chameleon
You don't find it noteworthy or perhaps even ironic that Van Vocht
concludes that man has been "endowed with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation" and he should go on to be "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". What with this being the same
revelation of centuries old religion, though admittedly Van Vocht
arrives at his conclusion by a quite different route.
"When I look at thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and
the
stars which thou hast established;
what is man that thou art mindful of him, and the son of man that
thou
dost care for him?
Yet thou hast made him little less than God, and dost crown him with
glory and honor.
Thou hast given him dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast
put
all things under his feet."
Psalm 8.3-6
Denny
I do find it noteworthy and ironic and I praise you greatly for drawing
attention to the above in the face of the usual mocking chorus from
atheists and others who find comfort in these groups.
I also think it is noteworthy that after all these years a harmony of
opinion is occurring between those of us who believed all along and
those scientists who examine the human phenomenon with an open mind.
Candide
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24 Apr 2005 08:33:53 AM |
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Candide sez:
"I do find it noteworthy and ironic and I praise you greatly for
drawing
attention to the above in the face of the usual mocking chorus from
atheists and others who find comfort in these groups."
What do *you* find in this group?
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24 Apr 2005 09:04:14 AM |
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doktorf wrote:
Candide sez:
"I do find it noteworthy and ironic and I praise you greatly for
drawing
attention to the above in the face of the usual mocking chorus from
atheists and others who find comfort in these groups."
What do *you* find in this group?
If you click the "quoted text", Herr Doktor, you will find what i find,
a harmony between Professor van Vockt's conclusions and the age-old
teachings of Christianity.
Candide
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23 Apr 2005 02:59:04 PM |
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dgillesp wrote:
chameleon wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog
Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter".
After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain
achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call
mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary
privilege
and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the
ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was
speaking
at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have
been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious
and
aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the
image
and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary
privilege
and
immense obligation." This has been the message of
Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
Denny
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity". As I understand it
Professor Van Vockt suggests that we are fairly intimitely linked
to
MATTER not to a certain preacher who trod his stuff some 2000 years
ago.
Chameleon
You don't find it noteworthy or perhaps even ironic that Van Vocht
concludes that man has been "endowed with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation" and he should go on to be "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". What with this being the same
revelation of centuries old religion, though admittedly Van Vocht
arrives at his conclusion by a quite different route.
"When I look at thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and
the
stars which thou hast established;
what is man that thou art mindful of him, and the son of man that
thou
dost care for him?
Yet thou hast made him little less than God, and dost crown him with
glory and honor.
Thou hast given him dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast
put
all things under his feet."
Psalm 8.3-6
Denny
Lovely music, Denny. Clearly you're Irish with a name like that. Isn't
it time the Irish stopped trying to save the world? Are the Irish the
New Jews?
Chameleon
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23 Apr 2005 04:01:45 PM |
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chameleon wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
chameleon wrote:
dgillesp wrote:
"PRESS INC." wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog
Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter".
After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain
achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call
mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary
privilege
and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the
ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was
speaking
at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Makes sense to me. Add to that the fact that so far as we have
been
able to determine, man is the only being who is even conscious
and
aware
of the existence of our vast universe. As such he bears the
image
and
likeness of God, and is indeed "endowed with extraordinary
privilege
and
immense obligation." This has been the message of
Judeo-Christianity
for centuries. So what else is new?
Denny
Dear Denny...but excuse me, you're clearly a person of exsquisite
religious sensibility...but I can see NOTHING in this posting to
suggest a connection with "Judeo-Christianity". As I understand it
Professor Van Vockt suggests that we are fairly intimitely linked
to
MATTER not to a certain preacher who trod his stuff some 2000 years
ago.
Chameleon
You don't find it noteworthy or perhaps even ironic that Van Vocht
concludes that man has been "endowed with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation" and he should go on to be "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". What with this being the same
revelation of centuries old religion, though admittedly Van Vocht
arrives at his conclusion by a quite different route.
"When I look at thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and
the
stars which thou hast established;
what is man that thou art mindful of him, and the son of man that
thou
dost care for him?
Yet thou hast made him little less than God, and dost crown him with
glory and honor.
Thou hast given him dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast
put
all things under his feet."
Psalm 8.3-6
Denny
Lovely music, Denny. Clearly you're Irish with a name like that.
Well, Scots-Irish to be more exact, though my ancestors came to America
around 1700.
Isn't
it time the Irish stopped trying to save the world?
What with 30 plus wars ongoing, it would appear the world could use some
saving.
Are the Irish the
New Jews?
According to St. Paul, the New Israel is the Christian Church. Can't
limit it just to the Irish.
Cheers,
Denny
Chameleon
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:30:02 -0700, PRESS INC. wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After 12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind. The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
PRESS INC
Hmmm...
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Non-authoritative answer:
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Sockpuppetry is a crime.
OK, it's not a crime, exactly. But it's considered lame.
(Setting follow-ups to talk.origins.)
John
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25 Apr 2005 06:27:40 AM |
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PRESS INC. wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After 12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind. The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege
and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
If we are "the eyes, the ears and the voice of the known universe" then
who represents the, how shall I say, other end of the known universe -
the Klingons?
Ian
--
Ian H Spedding
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26 Apr 2005 12:33:27 PM |
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wrote:
PRESS INC. wrote:
London 23-04-2005 13-16 G.M.T.
Renowned Anthropologist Professor Shan Van Vockt of Hybrassil
University this morning in the Savoy Hotel, London, launched a
revolutionary reappraisal of human self-image. After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
The
fact that human beings are the possessors of such a unique
capacity,
claims Professor Van Vockt, endows us with extraordinary privilege
and
immense obligation. We should go on to become "The eyes, the ears
and
the voice of the known universe". Professor Van Vockt was speaking
at
the launch of his new book "The Advent of Humanisation".
If we are "the eyes, the ears and the voice of the known universe"
then
who represents the, how shall I say, other end of the known universe
-
the Klingons?
Might be you, Ian. Look in the mirror.
Joseph H
Ian
--
Ian H Spedding
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23 Apr 2005 01:14:18 PM |
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PRESS INC. wrote:
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After 12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
So we have the following new information:
1) brains are made out of stuff.
2) brains think.
Those decades of field study weren't wasted.
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23 Apr 2005 03:13:03 PM |
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thissteve wrote:
PRESS INC. wrote:
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
So we have the following new information:
1) brains are made out of stuff.
2) brains think.
Those decades of field study weren't wasted.
I think a little bit of respect is due here. Professor Van Vockt is
saying rather more than you imagine (even though I know you are being a
little frivilous). He is saying - if I read him right - that human
beings are the bearers of matter's first elevation into reflective
intelligence. There's an evolutionary process afoot here: not the
evolution of life (as commonly denied in American schools)but the
evolution of matter into an intelligent configuration. The future isd
bright.
Nem-es-is
Tiochfiadh ar la
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: HUMAN BEINGS THE EYES OF THE UNIVERSE |
23 Apr 2005 10:34:41 PM |
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On 23 Apr 2005 13:13:03 -0700,
Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk <Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
thissteve wrote:
PRESS INC. wrote:
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
So we have the following new information:
1) brains are made out of stuff.
2) brains think.
Those decades of field study weren't wasted.
I think a little bit of respect is due here. Professor Van Vockt is
saying rather more than you imagine (even though I know you are being a
little frivilous). He is saying - if I read him right - that human
beings are the bearers of matter's first elevation into reflective
intelligence. There's an evolutionary process afoot here: not the
evolution of life (as commonly denied in American schools)but the
evolution of matter into an intelligent configuration. The future isd
bright.
Sounds like just another variant on "We're the most important thing in the
Universe". It's pretty arrogant and small-minded.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: HUMAN BEINGS THE EYES OF THE UNIVERSE |
24 Apr 2005 01:38:02 AM |
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On 24 Apr 2005 03:34:41 GMT, AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2005 13:13:03 -0700,
Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk <Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
thissteve wrote:
PRESS INC. wrote:
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
So we have the following new information:
1) brains are made out of stuff.
2) brains think.
Those decades of field study weren't wasted.
I think a little bit of respect is due here. Professor Van Vockt is
saying rather more than you imagine (even though I know you are being a
little frivilous). He is saying - if I read him right - that human
beings are the bearers of matter's first elevation into reflective
intelligence. There's an evolutionary process afoot here: not the
evolution of life (as commonly denied in American schools)but the
evolution of matter into an intelligent configuration. The future isd
bright.
Sounds like just another variant on "We're the most important thing in the
Universe". It's pretty arrogant and small-minded.
Since it is the human mind's version of what is important that is
being discussed here, then there is no question about it, we are the
most important thing in the universe. WIthout our mind to consider the
decision, importance from OUR perspective is rendered meaningless. OUR
perspective is all we have. If you have the impudence to claim you
can speak for another source of importance, then maybe it is you that
is being arrogant.
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| User: "AC" |
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24 Apr 2005 03:59:16 AM |
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On 24 Apr 2005 01:38:02 -0500,
LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Apr 2005 03:34:41 GMT, AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2005 13:13:03 -0700,
Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk <Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
thissteve wrote:
PRESS INC. wrote:
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
So we have the following new information:
1) brains are made out of stuff.
2) brains think.
Those decades of field study weren't wasted.
I think a little bit of respect is due here. Professor Van Vockt is
saying rather more than you imagine (even though I know you are being a
little frivilous). He is saying - if I read him right - that human
beings are the bearers of matter's first elevation into reflective
intelligence. There's an evolutionary process afoot here: not the
evolution of life (as commonly denied in American schools)but the
evolution of matter into an intelligent configuration. The future isd
bright.
Sounds like just another variant on "We're the most important thing in the
Universe". It's pretty arrogant and small-minded.
Since it is the human mind's version of what is important that is
being discussed here, then there is no question about it, we are the
most important thing in the universe. WIthout our mind to consider the
decision, importance from OUR perspective is rendered meaningless. OUR
perspective is all we have. If you have the impudence to claim you
can speak for another source of importance, then maybe it is you that
is being arrogant.
I consider the sheer size of the Universe indicates that our opinions, on
any scale much larger than the neighboring group of planets, are indeed
quite meaningless.
--
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: HUMAN BEINGS THE EYES OF THE UNIVERSE |
24 Apr 2005 05:08:40 AM |
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AC wrote:
On 24 Apr 2005 01:38:02 -0500,
LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Apr 2005 03:34:41 GMT, AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 23 Apr 2005 13:13:03 -0700,
Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk <Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
thissteve wrote:
PRESS INC. wrote:
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog
Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter".
After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain
achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call
mind.
So we have the following new information:
1) brains are made out of stuff.
2) brains think.
Those decades of field study weren't wasted.
I think a little bit of respect is due here. Professor Van Vockt
is
saying rather more than you imagine (even though I know you are
being a
little frivilous). He is saying - if I read him right - that
human
beings are the bearers of matter's first elevation into
reflective
intelligence. There's an evolutionary process afoot here: not the
evolution of life (as commonly denied in American schools)but the
evolution of matter into an intelligent configuration. The future
isd
bright.
Sounds like just another variant on "We're the most important thing
in the
Universe". It's pretty arrogant and small-minded.
Since it is the human mind's version of what is important that is
being discussed here, then there is no question about it, we are
the
most important thing in the universe. WIthout our mind to consider
the
decision, importance from OUR perspective is rendered meaningless.
OUR
perspective is all we have. If you have the impudence to claim you
can speak for another source of importance, then maybe it is you
that
is being arrogant.
I consider the sheer size of the Universe indicates that our
opinions, on
any scale much larger than the neighboring group of planets, are
indeed
quite meaningless.
Meaningless? Why this incessant urge to diminish our status? How far
does our sway have to reach before we achieve meaning? We used to be
meaningful in a village. Then a city. Then a state. Then a globe. Now,
good ol AC, you're saying that EVEN if we reach out to the ends of our
solar system we are still meaningless. Give us a break!
Nemesis
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mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: HUMAN BEINGS THE EYES OF THE UNIVERSE |
25 Apr 2005 07:33:04 AM |
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On 24 Apr 2005 08:59:16 GMT, AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Apr 2005 01:38:02 -0500,
LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Apr 2005 03:34:41 GMT, AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 23 Apr 2005 13:13:03 -0700,
Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk <Nemesis_2@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
thissteve wrote:
PRESS INC. wrote:
After decades of
field-study in the desolate Atlantic island of Tir Na Nog Professor
Van
Vockt concluded that human beings are "The Mind of Matter". After
12
billion years matter has finally within the human brain achieved a
configuration that engenders the cognitive activity we call mind.
So we have the following new information:
1) brains are made out of stuff.
2) brains think.
Those decades of field study weren't wasted.
I think a little bit of respect is due here. Professor Van Vockt is
saying rather more than you imagine (even though I know you are being a
little frivilous). He is saying - if I read him right - that human
beings are the bearers of matter's first elevation into reflective
intelligence. There's an evolutionary process afoot here: not the
evolution of life (as commonly denied in American schools)but the
evolution of matter into an intelligent configuration. The future isd
bright.
Sounds like just another variant on "We're the most important thing in the
Universe". It's pretty arrogant and small-minded.
Since it is the human mind's version of what is important that is
being discussed here, then there is no question about it, we are the
most important thing in the universe. WIthout our mind to consider the
decision, importance from OUR perspective is rendered meaningless. OUR
perspective is all we have. If you have the impudence to claim you
can speak for another source of importance, then maybe it is you that
is being arrogant.
I consider the sheer size of the Universe indicates that our opinions, on
any scale much larger than the neighboring group of planets, are indeed
quite meaningless.
Meaningless to who?
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| User: "Perfectionist" |
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| Title: Re: HUMAN BEINGS THE EYES OF THE UNIVERSE |
23 Apr 2005 04:53:57 PM |
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What are the differences between the evolution of life and the
evolution of matter? Life is made up of matter. If matter is in the
correct configuration, you have life. Life is evolving.
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: HUMAN BEINGS THE EYES OF THE UNIVERSE |
24 Apr 2005 12:52:02 AM |
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On 23 Apr 2005 14:53:57 -0700, "Perfectionist" <smartin1234@yahoo.com>
wrote:
What are the differences between the evolution of life and the
evolution of matter? Life is made up of matter. If matter is in the
correct configuration, you have life. Life is evolving.
You don't HAVE life. You ARE life.
The only thing that can be said to HAVE life, is matter.
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