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"Precision" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:11:57 AM |
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Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
"With surprising and mysterious regularity, life on Earth has flourished and
vanished in cycles of mass extinction every 62 million years, say two UC
Berkeley scientists who discovered the pattern after a painstaking computer
study of fossil records going back for more than 500 million years."
(http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/10/MNGFIBN6PO1.DTL&type=science)
The news article "Mass extinction comes every 62 million years, UC
physicists discover" points out an obvious and yet startling truth: the
extinction of the dominant species of intelligent life on this planet is 3
million years overdue.
The article with all its shocking statistics and the sobering realization
that we could become as extinct as the dinosaur, fails to make one important
point: our only hope for survival is extra-terrestrial intervention.
Advanced technologies of extra-terrestrial origin could preserve all life on
this planet indefinitely.
One thing is certain and that is without any intervention at all the
impending extinction of all life on this planet is statistically 3 million
years overdue. Perhaps the prescient comfort of an age old prophesy says it
best:
(1 Thessalonians 5:2-4) 2 For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovah's
day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they
are saying: "Peace and security!" then sudden destruction is to be instantly
upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will
by no means escape. 4 But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that
day should overtake YOU as it would thieves. . .
We know that modern physics doesn't preclude advanced extra-terrestrial
intelligence from access to this planet from anywhere else in the known
universe. It is only a matter of time before physics discovers laws that
could point to an INFINITELY advanced extra-terrestrial intelligence
exerting omnipotent powers over space and time that exists outside the known
universe. Such a highly advanced intelligence is known and worshipped by the
world's religions as God.
I shall not digress into a debate into which religion understands the true
nature of this vast intelligence, God. Rather I will present the question on
everyone's minds: will the intelligence that truly is God consider humanity
worthy of salvation? The dinosaurs failed. Why should we succeed? The age
old question proposed by the world's most historically controversial
religious elder some 2 millenniums ago is more relevant than ever before:
"when the Son of man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?"
(Luke 18:8)
The preservation of all life on Earth may depend upon the answer to that
question. Will we prove to be like the dinosaurs, simply acting on base
instinct without a higher moral and spiritual conscience and consciousness?
If so then why are we any better than the dinosaur? Why do we deserve to
live forever and for that matter, why would we want to live forever?
The depth of intelligence combined with moral and spiritual conscience and
consciousness is a unique quality to humans. Unlike the dinosaurs we not
only reach for the stars but we yearn for the very purpose of our existence
in the infinite cosmos! Our destiny is to continue to grow, mature and reach
new heights in intelligence, spirituality and a connection with God that is
a feeling that can only be described as love. Those who rise to this
challenge will live on this world until God says it is time to move on.
Because of our unbounded FAITH we can live forever. No more extinctions are
necessary for life on Earth.
For further information on the destiny of humans and this planet, I highly
recommend a thorough reading of the entire Bible. Learn the truth about
human history from its beginning to eternal future. This is one book that
has been neglected even though its timeless wisdom can only point to its
origin from the most advanced extra-terrestrial intelligence that we could
possibly imagine.
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
25 Mar 2005 11:26:25 PM |
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L Perez wrote:
"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:m961e.1728$FN4.1349@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
L Perez wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AF12EE683vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, Precision dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96234BEE5B4C4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
There was a recent special called "Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real" on
the Animal Planet Channel the other night that demonstrated
scientifically through the use of hypothesis that Dragons. These
fascinating creatures have been in folklore of every civilization
throughout human history, and scientists were interviewed who
hypothesized that these creatures survived the dinosaur extinction
by living underwater (i.e., Chinese history indicates their Dragons
came from the sea). These creatures, far from mythical, very in
actuality very likely to have existed and could breath fire through
the use of a second lung, nitrogen created by natural stomach
bacterium, and other mechanics that the documentary proved are not
out of the realm of biological possibility.
Just because these creatures became extinct as mankind encroached
upon their environment does NOT mean their existence can be swept
under the carpet.
Uh-huh. Let me guess where this is going. Even though nobody has
discovered fossil evidence of living dragons, there is no reason to
believe
they don't exist. Am I close?
Then am I to assume that anything NOT discovered to this point cannot
possibly exist........ because nobody has yet discovered its fossil
evidence?
<I'd call that a bull's eye.> By that logic you could make up anything
you want,
heh... kinda like digging up bones of extinct species of apes and
claiming they are somehow human ancestors
its okay to say you dont understand it, the processes to which you refer
are very slow and complex interactions
psst... ya got a link missing...
why thank you! of course i do, you must be very smart for your age ;)
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Sam
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
26 Mar 2005 12:23:49 PM |
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On 25 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AF12EE683vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, Precision dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96234BEE5B4C4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
There was a recent special called "Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real"
on the Animal Planet Channel the other night that demonstrated
scientifically through the use of hypothesis that Dragons. These
fascinating creatures have been in folklore of every civilization
throughout human history, and scientists were interviewed who
hypothesized that these creatures survived the dinosaur extinction
by living underwater (i.e., Chinese history indicates their
Dragons came from the sea). These creatures, far from mythical,
very in actuality very likely to have existed and could breath
fire through the use of a second lung, nitrogen created by natural
stomach bacterium, and other mechanics that the documentary proved
are not out of the realm of biological possibility.
Just because these creatures became extinct as mankind encroached
upon their environment does NOT mean their existence can be swept
under the carpet.
Uh-huh. Let me guess where this is going. Even though nobody has
discovered fossil evidence of living dragons, there is no reason to
believe
they don't exist. Am I close?
Then am I to assume that anything NOT discovered to this point
cannot possibly exist........ because nobody has yet discovered its
fossil evidence?
<I'd call that a bull's eye.> By that logic you could make up
anything you want,
heh... kinda like digging up bones of extinct species of apes and
claiming they are somehow human ancestors
Except for the fact that scientists will then go about trying to prove
the claim false. If the claim holds up to scientific scrutiny, as
evolution has, it becomes a theory.
The bible fails miserably when you subject it to the same scrutiny. It
remains alive today only because of dilligently enforced assertion
combined with early childhood indoctrination and scare tactics. Not very
scientific.
We have evidence that man evolved from lower primates. You're afraid of
it because it contradicts your fuzzy warm bible stories.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction - it bursts their bubble |
26 Mar 2005 08:54:49 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96256A009B68Bvicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
We have evidence that man evolved from lower primates. You're afraid of
it because it contradicts your fuzzy warm bible stories.
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And it bursts their bubble,... of fantasies of a paradise earth where they
live for all eternity in some strange state of happiness and bliss. How
dare anyone ask them to accept reality and give up such wonderful yet
childish fantasies? To accept evolution (reality) ends these dreams of
paradise for them....
--
CR.........
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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| User: "L Perez" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
26 Mar 2005 12:41:41 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96256A009B68Bvicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AF12EE683vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, Precision dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96234BEE5B4C4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
There was a recent special called "Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real"
on the Animal Planet Channel the other night that demonstrated
scientifically through the use of hypothesis that Dragons. These
fascinating creatures have been in folklore of every civilization
throughout human history, and scientists were interviewed who
hypothesized that these creatures survived the dinosaur extinction
by living underwater (i.e., Chinese history indicates their
Dragons came from the sea). These creatures, far from mythical,
very in actuality very likely to have existed and could breath
fire through the use of a second lung, nitrogen created by natural
stomach bacterium, and other mechanics that the documentary proved
are not out of the realm of biological possibility.
Just because these creatures became extinct as mankind encroached
upon their environment does NOT mean their existence can be swept
under the carpet.
Uh-huh. Let me guess where this is going. Even though nobody has
discovered fossil evidence of living dragons, there is no reason to
believe
they don't exist. Am I close?
Then am I to assume that anything NOT discovered to this point
cannot possibly exist........ because nobody has yet discovered its
fossil evidence?
<I'd call that a bull's eye.> By that logic you could make up
anything you want,
heh... kinda like digging up bones of extinct species of apes and
claiming they are somehow human ancestors
Except for the fact that scientists will then go about trying to prove
the claim false. If the claim holds up to scientific scrutiny
two words...
missing link
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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26 Mar 2005 01:07:24 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96256A009B68Bvicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AF12EE683vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, Precision dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96234BEE5B4C4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
There was a recent special called "Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real"
on the Animal Planet Channel the other night that demonstrated
scientifically through the use of hypothesis that Dragons. These
fascinating creatures have been in folklore of every
civilization throughout human history, and scientists were
interviewed who hypothesized that these creatures survived the
dinosaur extinction by living underwater (i.e., Chinese history
indicates their Dragons came from the sea). These creatures, far
from mythical, very in actuality very likely to have existed and
could breath fire through the use of a second lung, nitrogen
created by natural stomach bacterium, and other mechanics that
the documentary proved are not out of the realm of biological
possibility.
Just because these creatures became extinct as mankind
encroached upon their environment does NOT mean their existence
can be swept under the carpet.
Uh-huh. Let me guess where this is going. Even though nobody
has discovered fossil evidence of living dragons, there is no
reason to believe
they don't exist. Am I close?
Then am I to assume that anything NOT discovered to this point
cannot possibly exist........ because nobody has yet discovered
its fossil evidence?
<I'd call that a bull's eye.> By that logic you could make up
anything you want,
heh... kinda like digging up bones of extinct species of apes and
claiming they are somehow human ancestors
Except for the fact that scientists will then go about trying to
prove the claim false. If the claim holds up to scientific scrutiny
two words...
missing link
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "L Perez" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
26 Mar 2005 01:28:47 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96257163F86BDvicman@216.196.97.136...
On 26 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96256A009B68Bvicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AF12EE683vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 25 Mar 2005, Precision dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96234BEE5B4C4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
There was a recent special called "Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real"
on the Animal Planet Channel the other night that demonstrated
scientifically through the use of hypothesis that Dragons. These
fascinating creatures have been in folklore of every
civilization throughout human history, and scientists were
interviewed who hypothesized that these creatures survived the
dinosaur extinction by living underwater (i.e., Chinese history
indicates their Dragons came from the sea). These creatures, far
from mythical, very in actuality very likely to have existed and
could breath fire through the use of a second lung, nitrogen
created by natural stomach bacterium, and other mechanics that
the documentary proved are not out of the realm of biological
possibility.
Just because these creatures became extinct as mankind
encroached upon their environment does NOT mean their existence
can be swept under the carpet.
Uh-huh. Let me guess where this is going. Even though nobody
has discovered fossil evidence of living dragons, there is no
reason to believe
they don't exist. Am I close?
Then am I to assume that anything NOT discovered to this point
cannot possibly exist........ because nobody has yet discovered
its fossil evidence?
<I'd call that a bull's eye.> By that logic you could make up
anything you want,
heh... kinda like digging up bones of extinct species of apes and
claiming they are somehow human ancestors
Except for the fact that scientists will then go about trying to
prove the claim false. If the claim holds up to scientific scrutiny
two words...
missing link
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
do you know why the missing link will never be found?
because there is no connection whatsoever between those extinct species of
apes and Humankind
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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26 Mar 2005 02:44:13 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
two words...
missing link
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
do you know why the missing link will never be found?
because there is no connection whatsoever between those extinct
species of apes and Humankind
Not a surprising conclusion considering the fact that you would have to
give up your contradictory religion to accept evolution for the fact it is.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
27 Mar 2005 12:36:23 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962581CDF5053vicman@216.196.97.136...
On 26 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
two words...
missing link
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
do you know why the missing link will never be found?
because there is no connection whatsoever between those extinct
species of apes and Humankind
Not a surprising conclusion considering the fact that you would have to
give up your contradictory religion to accept evolution for the fact it
is.
There is no more a connection between man and ape as there is a connection
between cats and dogs.
We don't have to give up our cherished beliefs and essentially throw out the
baby with its bathwater just because those who connect apes to man have
impressive PhD's from major universities like Purdue or have spent their
lives trying to torture the sciences into making that connection.
A good analogy is that if I spent my life trying to PROVE SCIENTIFICALLY the
Garden of Eden actually existed somewhere in Iraq and that Adam and Eve
truly lived, you would have probably said to me, something similar to what
LP said to you, i.e., "there is no connection whatsoever between that Bible
story and those geological digs in Iraq you claim were the location of the
Garden of Eden."
And yet you don't see any similarities with those who spend their lives
trying to connect apes as supposed descendants to man?
Similarly to the way YOU replied to LP, I might have replied to your above
affront: "The discovery process is never ending. The Garden of Eden and the
skeletal remains of Adam and Eve and others who died before the global flood
may be found some day. It's lack of discovery thus far certainly doesn't
disprove God or the Genesis account in the Bible."
You might reply: "Not a surprising conclusion considering the fact that you
would have to give up your contradictory religion to accept evolution for
the fact it is."
Because if you did claim there was no connection between Genesis in the
Bible and my archaeological digs in Iraq, and I did give you that reply, and
you claimed I would have to give up my religion to accept evolution as a
FACT, I could easily conclude (and this might sound familiar, hint, look up
a few paragraphs at your quote) with the response: "Not a surprising
conclusion considering the fact that you would have to give up your
contradictory atheism to accept the creation of man by God for the fact it
is."
Don't you see any circular pattern in your argument with LP?
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27 Mar 2005 11:58:18 AM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
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There is no more a connection between man and ape as there is a connection
between cats and dogs.
# And you KNOW this....how? The WTS literature? The bible with all it's
thousands of contradictions?
We don't have to give up our cherished beliefs and essentially throw out
the
baby with its bathwater just because those who connect apes to man have
impressive PhD's from major universities like Purdue or have spent their
lives trying to torture the sciences into making that connection.
# Like you torture the bible trying to cover up all the contradictions and
unscientific blather - such as Arks, talking donkeys, sticks turning into
snakes, Leprosy living and growing on walls and saddles, menstruating women
souring milk by touching the vessel....
============== Propaganda snipped!
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CR.........
The JWs keep saying it (Armageddon) is imminent, just a matter of time,
only a matter of weeks or months from the predicted date: 1874(+40),
1878(+40), 1910,
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1945, 1975, 1999/2000...
LATEST DATE: 2034 Come get your predictions and palm read by the GB!
Just one WRONG date after another - they're truly inspired by *GASP* demons!
"If he is a false prophet (like the GB), his prophecy will fail to come to
pass."
(Watchtower, 5/15/30).
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| User: "Patrick Sharf" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
26 Mar 2005 02:51:49 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:28:47 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
do you know why the missing link will never be found?
because there is no connection whatsoever between those extinct species of
apes and Humankind
Ever heard of "Convergence of Evidence"? That's something you
religious whack-jobs should look at instead of making demands for
"mixing links"
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| User: "L Perez" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
26 Mar 2005 05:33:28 PM |
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"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:28:47 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
do you know why the missing link will never be found?
because there is no connection whatsoever between those extinct species of
apes and Humankind
Ever heard of "Convergence of Evidence"?
is that how OJ got away with murder?
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| User: "Patrick Sharf" |
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26 Mar 2005 09:07:53 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:33:28 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
news:cnib415h7cdonb0fe8op8pj0ekjuibuas5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:28:47 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
do you know why the missing link will never be found?
because there is no connection whatsoever between those extinct species of
apes and Humankind
Ever heard of "Convergence of Evidence"?
is that how OJ got away with murder?
With regard to my question, I'll take that as a "no".
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| User: "Precision" |
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27 Mar 2005 12:43:00 AM |
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"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:33:28 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
news:cnib415h7cdonb0fe8op8pj0ekjuibuas5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:28:47 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The discovery process is never ending. The missing link may be found
some day. It certainly doesn't disprove evolution.
do you know why the missing link will never be found?
because there is no connection whatsoever between those extinct species
of
apes and Humankind
Ever heard of "Convergence of Evidence"?
is that how OJ got away with murder?
With regard to my question, I'll take that as a "no".
Convergence of evidence cuts both ways. The Bible states the human race was
CREATED in a part of the world known then as the Garden of Eden (which some
believe might have been in a place now called Iraq on the map). Unless
you're going to get into a contest of who has the better degree, I would say
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source. It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
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27 Mar 2005 06:57:29 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:00 -0800, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
With regard to my question, I'll take that as a "no".
Convergence of evidence cuts both ways. The Bible states the human race was
CREATED in a part of the world known then as the Garden of Eden (which some
believe might have been in a place now called Iraq on the map). Unless
you're going to get into a contest of who has the better degree, I would say
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source. It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
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| User: "Precision" |
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28 Mar 2005 12:58:02 AM |
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"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:00 -0800, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
With regard to my question, I'll take that as a "no".
Convergence of evidence cuts both ways. The Bible states the human race
was
CREATED in a part of the world known then as the Garden of Eden (which
some
believe might have been in a place now called Iraq on the map). Unless
you're going to get into a contest of who has the better degree, I would
say
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source. It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of
breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
Fair is fair, and I could say the exact same thing to you: That you have NO
evidence to support your fairy tales that there is no God in the universe
and we are all doomed when our biological lives come to an end.
Or can you prove there is no God? Did I miss that proof somewhere or is that
assumption based on what you wish to be fact?
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28 Mar 2005 02:37:07 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
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Or can you prove there is no God? Did I miss that proof somewhere or is
that
assumption based on what you wish to be fact?
===========================\
WHICH god of the thousands of known "true living almighty" gods out there?
Remember, your god is no less real or almighty than anyone else's god. Just
ask them! ;-)
--
CR......
Lying Louie also changed his story a few times (more lies) claiming
first that the people told him Jabber's left the borg years ago, on his
own... just faded away. Then Louie did an about face and claimed
NO ONE in the Camden congs heard of Jabbers. But then Louie
changed the story yet again..... I'm sure the JWs would consider these
LIES nothing more than "Theocratic Warfare Strategy" and not *real* lies.
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| User: "L Perez" |
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28 Mar 2005 01:22:11 AM |
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"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:00 -0800, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
With regard to my question, I'll take that as a "no".
Convergence of evidence cuts both ways. The Bible states the human race
was
CREATED in a part of the world known then as the Garden of Eden (which
some
believe might have been in a place now called Iraq on the map). Unless
you're going to get into a contest of who has the better degree, I would
say
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source. It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of
breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
thus sayeth the true believer in 'missing link monkeymen'
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| User: "Olrik" |
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28 Mar 2005 02:29:12 AM |
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L Perez wrote:
"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
news:pabd41tqloq3qm5rl38impk7e6a9m85a7q@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:00 -0800, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
With regard to my question, I'll take that as a "no".
Convergence of evidence cuts both ways. The Bible states the human race
was
CREATED in a part of the world known then as the Garden of Eden (which
some
believe might have been in a place now called Iraq on the map). Unless
you're going to get into a contest of who has the better degree, I would
say
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source. It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of
breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
thus sayeth the true believer in 'missing link monkeymen'
That's all fine and dandy, primate.
So, where's the evidence for your "god"?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Sarah Greensleeves" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
28 Mar 2005 02:40:44 PM |
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"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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L Perez wrote:
"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
news:pabd41tqloq3qm5rl38impk7e6a9m85a7q@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:43:00 -0800, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
With regard to my question, I'll take that as a "no".
Convergence of evidence cuts both ways. The Bible states the human race
was
CREATED in a part of the world known then as the Garden of Eden (which
some
believe might have been in a place now called Iraq on the map). Unless
you're going to get into a contest of who has the better degree, I
would
say
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those
who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source.
It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed
to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of
breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
thus sayeth the true believer in 'missing link monkeymen'
That's all fine and dandy, primate.
So, where's the evidence for your "god"?
============================
Careful! He'll waggle his bible and WTS literature in your face! It's all
the "evidence" he has.
--
CR.....
L Perez bleated: BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only
here to slander and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization...
Note: No other organization can even come close to the WTS' record of six,
false-alarm end-of-the world predictions in the 20th century.
(Credit to RLM)
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| User: "Patrick Sharf" |
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28 Mar 2005 07:34:54 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:29:12 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
wrote:
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
thus sayeth the true believer in 'missing link monkeymen'
That's all fine and dandy, primate.
So, where's the evidence for your "god"?
He doesn't have any. He only has anecdotal observations from WT rags
that he attempts to validate with qualifying phrases like, "It's
possible that..." or "Could have..." or "It could be that..."
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| User: "L Perez" |
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29 Mar 2005 12:33:20 AM |
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"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:29:12 -0500, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com>
wrote:
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
thus sayeth the true believer in 'missing link monkeymen'
That's all fine and dandy, primate.
So, where's the evidence for your "god"?
He doesn't have any. He only has anecdotal observations from WT rags
that he attempts to validate with qualifying phrases like, "It's
possible that..." or "Could have..." or "It could be that..."
or "could be monkeymen"
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| User: "Patrick Sharf" |
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28 Mar 2005 07:31:33 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:22:11 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source. It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of
breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
thus sayeth the true believer in 'missing link monkeymen'
Even if, say tomorrow, new evidence arose to prove the "Missing link
monkeyman" theory to be totally wrong, in what way would this prove
your "magic dust" creation story to be true? You have presented NO
evidence other than quotes from WT rags, and stories about talking
animals, voices in burning bushes, and virgins giving birth to
god-men.
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| User: "L Perez" |
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| Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue |
29 Mar 2005 12:32:33 AM |
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"Patrick Sharf" <kranick165@aol.com> wrote in message
news:pt0g41ho6ps33qocmb73gru8rt0bv38odh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:22:11 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
that your concept of convergence of evidence equally applies to those
who
make the case that man was placed on this planet fully developed by an
external (or technically, not terrestrial or extra-terrestrial) source.
It
is another issue altogether as to whether or not the planet was allowed
to
evolve for billions of years in preparation for that extra-terrestrial
source placing two intelligent life forms here for the purpose of
breeding.
Now what was your initial point?
What it's always been with people like you - you have NO evidence to
support your fairy tales.
thus sayeth the true believer in 'missing link monkeymen'
Even if, say tomorrow, new evidence arose to prove the "Missing link
monkeyman" theory to be totally wrong, in what way would this prove
your "magic dust" creation story to be true? You have presented NO
evidence other than quotes from WT rags
are you in this habit of lying???
I *never* quote from the Watch Tower publications
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29 Mar 2005 02:00:32 AM |
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"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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are you in this habit of lying???
I *never* quote from the Watch Tower publications
===================
And you NEVER address the issue either. You side-step them every time.
--
CR....
L Perez bleated: BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only
here to slander and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization...
Note: No other organization can even come close to the WTS' record of six,
false-alarm end-of-the world predictions in the 20th century.
(Credit to RLM)
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| User: "Patrick Sharf" |
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29 Mar 2005 08:05:51 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:32:33 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Even if, say tomorrow, new evidence arose to prove the "Missing link
monkeyman" theory to be totally wrong, in what way would this prove
your "magic dust" creation story to be true? You have presented NO
evidence other than quotes from WT rags
are you in this habit of lying???
I *never* quote from the Watch Tower publications
Not directly, but they are your main source of reference. Besides, I'm
sure I'd find a few snippets from Awake magazine if I did a google
search, no doubt in the name of "theocratic warfare", but you're not
worth my time.
Now, how about answering my original question?
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| User: "Sam" |
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25 Mar 2005 08:07:31 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 25 Mar 2005, Precision dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96234BEE5B4C4vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled, then shouted:
There was a recent special called "Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real" on
the Animal Planet Channel the other night that demonstrated
scientifically through the use of hypothesis that Dragons. These
fascinating creatures have been in folklore of every civilization
throughout human history, and scientists were interviewed who
hypothesized that these creatures survived the dinosaur extinction
by living underwater (i.e., Chinese history indicates their Dragons
came from the sea). These creatures, far from mythical, very in
actuality very likely to have existed and could breath fire through
the use of a second lung, nitrogen created by natural stomach
bacterium, and other mechanics that the documentary proved are not
out of the realm of biological possibility.
Just because these creatures became extinct as mankind encroached
upon their environment does NOT mean their existence can be swept
under the carpet.
Uh-huh. Let me guess where this is going. Even though nobody has
discovered fossil evidence of living dragons, there is no reason to
believe
they don't exist. Am I close?
Then am I to assume that anything NOT discovered to this point cannot
possibly exist........ because nobody has yet discovered its fossil
evidence?
<I'd call that a bull's eye.> By that logic you could make up anything
you want, and assert it exists because you cannot be disproven. Dragons
are mythology, obviously so. Giant flying mammals that breathe fire.
I'll believe that whopper when we have evidence.
mammals? dragons lay eggs, duh, everybody knows that
--
Sam
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24 Mar 2005 02:18:50 PM |
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William T. Goat wrote:
Precision wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962273EC93EE1vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then shouted:
<snip>
Well, this started out interesting, but quickly fell apart as it
lead to
this:
For further information on the destiny of humans and this planet,
I
highly recommend a thorough reading of the entire Bible. Learn the
truth about human history from its beginning to eternal future.
This
is one book that has been neglected even though its timeless
wisdom
can only point to its origin from the most advanced
extra-terrestrial
intelligence that we could possibly imagine.
Gobbledygook. The bible is a book of fables and mythology.
Granted it
does contain some historical characters, but it is mixed with a
teeming
pile of magical garbage that has no bearing on modern society.
However, I
hope a lot of people take your advice and read the bible
thoroughly. The
bible is one of the greatest reasons to deconvert to atheism ever.
I respectfully reply that you are completely mistaken. The Bible is a
blueprint for eternal life. Those whose lives it has changed will
attest to
that fact. However, the Bible contains truths that you might find
unpalatable. We fear what we do not understand. Nonetheless I
strongly
disagree that the Bible is "one of the greatest reasons to reconvert
to
atheism ever." I know, because reading the Bible raised my awareness
of
greater realities in space and time, gave me the sure knowledge that
this
life is the beginning of a remarkable journey that will last many
eternities, and "converted" me from atheism to the truth that God
does
exist.
The Bible also says that dragons, unicorns, and satyrs exist. Do you
believe that dragons, unicorns, and satyrs exist? Are they "truths"?
Isaiah 43:20 The beasts of the field shall honor me, the dragons and
the ostriches: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in
the desert, to give to drink to my people, my chosen.
Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the
bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and
their dust made fat with fatness.
Isaiah 13:21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their
houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there,
and satyrs shall dance there.
--Billy
I believe that the last aurochs (Bos taurus primigenius) died in Poland
in the 17th Century.
It is possible that other creatures dating from the Pleistocene did not
disappear until well into the Holocene. But that requires acceptance of
at least some evolutionary theory.
Presumably the literalists would have Aurochsen on Noah's Ark. These
were large, wild, vicious and probably untamable creatures. It would be
interesting to imagine not only finding pairs of them but going to
Poland, capturing them and bringing them to the Ark. Kangaroos would
probably have been easier, except for the water transport.
For more on the Aurochs, see
http://users.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurohist.html
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25 Mar 2005 08:56:37 PM |
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"cactus" <baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote in message
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It is possible that other creatures dating from the Pleistocene did not
disappear until well into the Holocene. But that requires acceptance of
at least some evolutionary theory.
Presumably the literalists would have Aurochsen on Noah's Ark. These
were large, wild, vicious and probably untamable creatures. It would be
interesting to imagine not only finding pairs of them but going to
Poland, capturing them and bringing them to the Ark. Kangaroos would
probably have been easier, except for the water transport.
For more on the Aurochs, see
http://users.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurohist.html
====================
Lets not forget the huge and vicious polar and Grizzly bears Noah would have
to capture alive, cage, feed and transport them all to the Ark, along with
the wild horses, the unreachable mountain goat, speedy pronghorn antelope,
wolves, foxes..... how did he ever manage with only a few men to help him?
Where did he get his maps of America and know where to find them all? Maybe
some bible thumper can explain how it was done. ;-)
--
CR....
What the world needs is not dogma but an attitude of scientific
inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is
not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined
in the likeness of the believer. ~ Bertrand Russell ~
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25 Mar 2005 08:58:53 PM |
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~.**.~ wrote:
"cactus" <baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote in message
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It is possible that other creatures dating from the Pleistocene did not
disappear until well into the Holocene. But that requires acceptance of
at least some evolutionary theory.
Presumably the literalists would have Aurochsen on Noah's Ark. These
were large, wild, vicious and probably untamable creatures. It would be
interesting to imagine not only finding pairs of them but going to
Poland, capturing them and bringing them to the Ark. Kangaroos would
probably have been easier, except for the water transport.
For more on the Aurochs, see
http://users.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurohist.html
====================
Lets not forget the huge and vicious polar and Grizzly bears Noah would have
to capture alive, cage, feed and transport them all to the Ark, along with
the wild horses, the unreachable mountain goat, speedy pronghorn antelope,
wolves, foxes..... how did he ever manage with only a few men to help him?
Where did he get his maps of America and know where to find them all? Maybe
some bible thumper can explain how it was done. ;-)
we all know what they'll say:
immigrant labor
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Sam
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25 Mar 2005 06:08:20 PM |
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"cactus" <baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote in message
news:KgF0e.2991$gI5.325@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
William T. Goat wrote:
Precision wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962273EC93EE1vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then shouted:
<snip>
Well, this started out interesting, but quickly fell apart as it
lead to
this:
For further information on the destiny of humans and this planet,
I
highly recommend a thorough reading of the entire Bible. Learn the
truth about human history from its beginning to eternal future.
This
is one book that has been neglected even though its timeless
wisdom
can only point to its origin from the most advanced
extra-terrestrial
intelligence that we could possibly imagine.
Gobbledygook. The bible is a book of fables and mythology.
Granted it
does contain some historical characters, but it is mixed with a
teeming
pile of magical garbage that has no bearing on modern society.
However, I
hope a lot of people take your advice and read the bible
thoroughly. The
bible is one of the greatest reasons to deconvert to atheism ever.
I respectfully reply that you are completely mistaken. The Bible is a
blueprint for eternal life. Those whose lives it has changed will
attest to
that fact. However, the Bible contains truths that you might find
unpalatable. We fear what we do not understand. Nonetheless I
strongly
disagree that the Bible is "one of the greatest reasons to reconvert
to
atheism ever." I know, because reading the Bible raised my awareness
of
greater realities in space and time, gave me the sure knowledge that
this
life is the beginning of a remarkable journey that will last many
eternities, and "converted" me from atheism to the truth that God
does
exist.
The Bible also says that dragons, unicorns, and satyrs exist. Do you
believe that dragons, unicorns, and satyrs exist? Are they "truths"?
Isaiah 43:20 The beasts of the field shall honor me, the dragons and
the ostriches: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in
the desert, to give to drink to my people, my chosen.
Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the
bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and
their dust made fat with fatness.
Isaiah 13:21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their
houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there,
and satyrs shall dance there. --Billy
I believe that the last aurochs (Bos taurus primigenius) died in Poland in
the 17th Century.
It is possible that other creatures dating from the Pleistocene did not
disappear until well into the Holocene. But that requires acceptance of
at least some evolutionary theory.
Presumably the literalists would have Aurochsen on Noah's Ark. These were
large, wild, vicious and probably untamable creatures. It would be
interesting to imagine not only finding pairs of them but going to Poland,
capturing them and bringing them to the Ark. Kangaroos would probably
have been easier, except for the water transport.
For more on the Aurochs, see
http://users.aristotle.net/~swarmack/aurohist.html
One who believes in the historical Biblical account of Noah's Ark has to
make a leap of faith that God used His supernatural powers to properly
subdue any beasts in confinement that would pose a threat to the Ark and its
safety.
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