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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Precision"
Date: 23 Mar 2005 05:11:57 AM
Object: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue
"With surprising and mysterious regularity, life on Earth has flourished and
vanished in cycles of mass extinction every 62 million years, say two UC
Berkeley scientists who discovered the pattern after a painstaking computer
study of fossil records going back for more than 500 million years."
(http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/10/MNGFIBN6PO1.DTL&type=science)
The news article "Mass extinction comes every 62 million years, UC
physicists discover" points out an obvious and yet startling truth: the
extinction of the dominant species of intelligent life on this planet is 3
million years overdue.
The article with all its shocking statistics and the sobering realization
that we could become as extinct as the dinosaur, fails to make one important
point: our only hope for survival is extra-terrestrial intervention.
Advanced technologies of extra-terrestrial origin could preserve all life on
this planet indefinitely.
One thing is certain and that is without any intervention at all the
impending extinction of all life on this planet is statistically 3 million
years overdue. Perhaps the prescient comfort of an age old prophesy says it
best:
(1 Thessalonians 5:2-4) 2 For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovah's
day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they
are saying: "Peace and security!" then sudden destruction is to be instantly
upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will
by no means escape. 4 But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that
day should overtake YOU as it would thieves. . .
We know that modern physics doesn't preclude advanced extra-terrestrial
intelligence from access to this planet from anywhere else in the known
universe. It is only a matter of time before physics discovers laws that
could point to an INFINITELY advanced extra-terrestrial intelligence
exerting omnipotent powers over space and time that exists outside the known
universe. Such a highly advanced intelligence is known and worshipped by the
world's religions as God.
I shall not digress into a debate into which religion understands the true
nature of this vast intelligence, God. Rather I will present the question on
everyone's minds: will the intelligence that truly is God consider humanity
worthy of salvation? The dinosaurs failed. Why should we succeed? The age
old question proposed by the world's most historically controversial
religious elder some 2 millenniums ago is more relevant than ever before:
"when the Son of man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?"
(Luke 18:8)
The preservation of all life on Earth may depend upon the answer to that
question. Will we prove to be like the dinosaurs, simply acting on base
instinct without a higher moral and spiritual conscience and consciousness?
If so then why are we any better than the dinosaur? Why do we deserve to
live forever and for that matter, why would we want to live forever?
The depth of intelligence combined with moral and spiritual conscience and
consciousness is a unique quality to humans. Unlike the dinosaurs we not
only reach for the stars but we yearn for the very purpose of our existence
in the infinite cosmos! Our destiny is to continue to grow, mature and reach
new heights in intelligence, spirituality and a connection with God that is
a feeling that can only be described as love. Those who rise to this
challenge will live on this world until God says it is time to move on.
Because of our unbounded FAITH we can live forever. No more extinctions are
necessary for life on Earth.
For further information on the destiny of humans and this planet, I highly
recommend a thorough reading of the entire Bible. Learn the truth about
human history from its beginning to eternal future. This is one book that
has been neglected even though its timeless wisdom can only point to its
origin from the most advanced extra-terrestrial intelligence that we could
possibly imagine.
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User: "Olrik"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 25 Mar 2005 10:12:11 AM
L Perez wrote:

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L Perez wrote:


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L Perez wrote:



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L Perez wrote:




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Precision wrote:





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on 23 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, Precision dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then shouted:

<snip>

Well, this started out interesting, but quickly fell apart as it
lead to
this:






For further information on the destiny of humans and this planet,
I
highly recommend a thorough reading of the entire Bible. Learn
the
truth about human history from its beginning to eternal future.
This
is one book that has been neglected even though its timeless
wisdom
can only point to its origin from the most advanced
extra-terrestrial
intelligence that we could possibly imagine.


Gobbledygook. The bible is a book of fables and mythology.
Granted it
does contain some historical characters, but it is mixed with a
teeming
pile of magical garbage that has no bearing on modern society.
However, I
hope a lot of people take your advice and read the bible
thoroughly. The
bible is one of the greatest reasons to deconvert to atheism ever.




I respectfully reply that you are completely mistaken. The Bible is
a blueprint for eternal life.


No, it's not. Your "god" is a great destructor who's not to be
trusted.



It is sad that you have allowed personal bias or the bias of others
to cloud your judgment about such an important issue as to the
existence of God and His creation of mankind and purpose for your
life.






Those whose lives it has changed will attest to that fact. However,
the Bible contains truths that you might find unpalatable. We fear
what we do not understand. Nonetheless I strongly disagree that the
Bible is "one of the greatest reasons to reconvert to atheism
ever." I know, because reading the Bible raised my awareness of
greater realities in space and time, gave me the sure knowledge
that this life is the beginning of a remarkable journey that will
last many eternities, and "converted" me from atheism to the truth
that God does exist.


So you decided to take the easy way out.



Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.



heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


I don't know what you're babbling about. Who said anything about
hedonism or altruism? The easy way out I was talking about is
Precision's choice of leaving rationality to embrace mythology and
ready-made answers.



he doesn't believe in 'the big bang' or 'monkeymen'


They do not require faith. Cosmology and evolution are sciences.



call it science if ya want but everything unproved requires faith


Utter nonsense. Please refrain from mixing religion with science.



sorry, didnt mean to muscle in on evolutionist's territory

There are plenty of scientists, including "evolutionists", who also
happen to believe in god or gods. These people know how to not let
religion interfere with science.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 09:22:31 AM
on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism

Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone. There are lots of things you
can enjoy when you finally realize there isn't an invisible man watching
you and judging you all the time.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "L Perez"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 01:02:10 PM
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.

riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their minds
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 02:09:28 PM
"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.


riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their minds

Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.
Happy now?
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "L Perez"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 02:29:10 PM
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.


riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their
minds


Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.

so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you and
yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 02:56:20 PM
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.


riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their
minds


Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you and
yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?

Since there's no evidence that this god exists and I don't believe in it,
how could I be taking its place?
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.

User: "~.*.~"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 25 Mar 2005 02:36:11 PM
"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Uh, LyingLouie......Please answer this guy's questions, you side-stepped
them (as usual).
So with that in mind, why don't you provide us with a list
of, say, half-a-dozen other-directed and self-denying
acts that you routinely perform, but which atheists
typically do not?
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
Thanks in advance.
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 04:32:40 PM
In article <ueWdnfwNV-uFvt7fRVn-2A@comcast.com> "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> writes:


"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.


riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their
minds


Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.

so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you and
yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?

An interesting point. However, in everyday practical terms, I've discovered
that it's really not difficult to distinguish between Robinikoff and
God. If you ever find yourself confused about this, just remind
yourself of the following easy-to-remember pointers:
-- if it appears willing to allow death access to every man
and woman who will ever be born, and every animal and plant
too -- all because of a single mistake committed by a
young, naive, and extremely suggestible couple --
then you're probably looking at God, and not Robinikoff.

-- while both God and Robyn frequently lament about
the way that humans turned out, if it ever shows a tendency
to kill off nearly all of them -- as well as making all
those poor animals catch it in the neck yet once again --
then it's not Robinikoff, it's God.

-- Robinikoff has never, insofar as I know, stated that
the purpose of the rest of us is to magnify Robinikoff's glory,
let alone convince total strangers that they too should
dedicate their entire beings to serving her.

-- while I have seen written evidence of anger on
the part of each, I don't recall Robinikoff ever
suggesting that her anger was so justified that
entire peoples should perish if they don't start
paying more attention to her.

-- while Robyn may tell people to go to hell from
time to time, she's not so mean-spirited that
she would actually SEND them there. This is
not a trivial difference.


Hope this helps...
-- cary
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 07:14:54 PM
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <ueWdnfwNV-uFvt7fRVn-2A@comcast.com> "L Perez"
<LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> writes:


"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.


riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their
minds



Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you and
yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?



An interesting point. However, in everyday practical terms, I've
discovered
that it's really not difficult to distinguish between Robinikoff and
God. If you ever find yourself confused about this, just remind
yourself of the following easy-to-remember pointers:

-- if it appears willing to allow death access to every man
and woman who will ever be born, and every animal and plant
too -- all because of a single mistake committed by a
young, naive, and extremely suggestible couple --
then you're probably looking at God, and not Robinikoff.

-- while both God and Robyn frequently lament about
the way that humans turned out, if it ever shows a tendency
to kill off nearly all of them -- as well as making all
those poor animals catch it in the neck yet once again --
then it's not Robinikoff, it's God.

-- Robinikoff has never, insofar as I know, stated that
the purpose of the rest of us is to magnify Robinikoff's glory,
let alone convince total strangers that they too should
dedicate their entire beings to serving her.

-- while I have seen written evidence of anger on
the part of each, I don't recall Robinikoff ever
suggesting that her anger was so justified that
entire peoples should perish if they don't start
paying more attention to her.

-- while Robyn may tell people to go to hell from
time to time, she's not so mean-spirited that
she would actually SEND them there. This is
not a trivial difference.

Thanks :)
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 07:33:27 PM
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In article <ueWdnfwNV-uFvt7fRVn-2A@comcast.com> "L Perez"
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.


riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their
minds



Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you and
yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?



An interesting point. However, in everyday practical terms, I've
discovered
that it's really not difficult to distinguish between Robinikoff and
God. If you ever find yourself confused about this, just remind
yourself of the following easy-to-remember pointers:

-- if it appears willing to allow death access to every man
and woman who will ever be born, and every animal and plant
too -- all because of a single mistake committed by a
young, naive, and extremely suggestible couple --
then you're probably looking at God, and not Robinikoff.

-- while both God and Robyn frequently lament about
the way that humans turned out, if it ever shows a tendency
to kill off nearly all of them -- as well as making all
those poor animals catch it in the neck yet once again --
then it's not Robinikoff, it's God.

-- Robinikoff has never, insofar as I know, stated that
the purpose of the rest of us is to magnify Robinikoff's glory,
let alone convince total strangers that they too should
dedicate their entire beings to serving her.

-- while I have seen written evidence of anger on
the part of each, I don't recall Robinikoff ever
suggesting that her anger was so justified that
entire peoples should perish if they don't start
paying more attention to her.

-- while Robyn may tell people to go to hell from
time to time, she's not so mean-spirited that
she would actually SEND them there. This is
not a trivial difference.


Thanks :)

Whoa! Did anyone else just hear a voice?...
Um... that you, Lord?
-- cary
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 08:37:33 PM
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In article <ueWdnfwNV-uFvt7fRVn-2A@comcast.com> "L Perez"
<LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> writes:


"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted,
whirled,
then shouted:

Quite to the contrary. Moral responsibility is not easy in a
world
largely devoid of morality and human empathy toward others.


heh... indeed
it is quite ludicrous for atheists to suggest hedonism is a more
difficult lifestyle than altruism


Hedonism is fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone.


riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in
their
minds



Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you
and
yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?



An interesting point. However, in everyday practical terms, I've
discovered
that it's really not difficult to distinguish between Robinikoff and
God. If you ever find yourself confused about this, just remind
yourself of the following easy-to-remember pointers:

-- if it appears willing to allow death access to every man
and woman who will ever be born, and every animal and plant
too -- all because of a single mistake committed by a
young, naive, and extremely suggestible couple --
then you're probably looking at God, and not Robinikoff.

-- while both God and Robyn frequently lament about
the way that humans turned out, if it ever shows a tendency
to kill off nearly all of them -- as well as making all
those poor animals catch it in the neck yet once again --
then it's not Robinikoff, it's God.

-- Robinikoff has never, insofar as I know, stated that
the purpose of the rest of us is to magnify Robinikoff's glory,
let alone convince total strangers that they too should
dedicate their entire beings to serving her.

-- while I have seen written evidence of anger on
the part of each, I don't recall Robinikoff ever
suggesting that her anger was so justified that
entire peoples should perish if they don't start
paying more attention to her.

-- while Robyn may tell people to go to hell from
time to time, she's not so mean-spirited that
she would actually SEND them there. This is
not a trivial difference.





Thanks :)



Whoa! Did anyone else just hear a voice?...


Um... that you, Lord?

Oh, stop groveling! :)
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.




User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 03:39:57 PM
on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3agl2mF6a4gchU1@individual.net...


Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you
and yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?


You really need to grasp the concept that there are those in this world
that do not believe in your god. Really, El, it's not that difficult.
People who do not believe in gods have no need for them in their thinking
patterns. You can't take the place of something that does not exist,
therefore has no place to take.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "L Perez"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 03:46:42 PM
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96238AF6EC587vicman@127.0.0.1...

on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3agl2mF6a4gchU1@individual.net...



Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you
and yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?



You really need to grasp the concept that there are those in this world
that do not believe in your god. Really, El, it's not that difficult.
People who do not believe in gods have no need for them in their thinking
patterns. You can't take the place of something that does not exist

and so you make yourself your own god by denying the existence of the
Creator
.
User: "Sam"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 04:01:38 PM
L Perez wrote:

"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96238AF6EC587vicman@127.0.0.1...

on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:


"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3agl2mF6a4gchU1@individual.net...


Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created you
and yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?



You really need to grasp the concept that there are those in this world
that do not believe in your god. Really, El, it's not that difficult.
People who do not believe in gods have no need for them in their thinking
patterns. You can't take the place of something that does not exist



and so you make yourself your own god by denying the existence of the
Creator


i think he's stuck
--
Sam
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 03:56:57 PM
on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96238AF6EC587vicman@127.0.0.1...

on 24 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3agl2mF6a4gchU1@individual.net...



Atheists don't make gods of themselves in their own minds.


so, you wish to only do what you want and not obey He who created
you and yet assert that you are not taking the place of God?



You really need to grasp the concept that there are those in this
world that do not believe in your god. Really, El, it's not that
difficult. People who do not believe in gods have no need for them in
their thinking patterns. You can't take the place of something that
does not exist


and so you make yourself your own god by denying the existence of the
Creator

No, El. You have to step *outside* the fantasy world to grasp that
concept.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.





User: "Kalamity Jane"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 24 Mar 2005 04:40:28 PM
"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RK-dnWCZeL4vk97fRVn-qg@comcast.com...

riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their minds

==============
Now tell us what YOU and the WTS/GB/JWs have done for anyone but themselves,
hypocrite! They don't even run one soup kitchen for the homeless or one
medical clinic in a 3rd world nation... because it's all ME, ME, ME! They
want to build more multi-million dollar Paterson Complexes. SHAME ON THEIR
me, me, me attitude - and on you!
CR......
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
The best defense to logic is ignorance...
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jw-book.html
.
User: "Precision"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 25 Mar 2005 05:39:06 PM
"Kalamity Jane" <kalam@fish.net> wrote in message
news:42433cb5$0$1661$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...


"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RK-dnWCZeL4vk97fRVn-qg@comcast.com...

riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their
minds

==============
Now tell us what YOU and the WTS/GB/JWs have done for anyone but
themselves,
hypocrite! They don't even run one soup kitchen for the homeless or one
medical clinic in a 3rd world nation... because it's all ME, ME, ME! They
want to build more multi-million dollar Paterson Complexes. SHAME ON
THEIR
me, me, me attitude - and on you!

You know perfectly well the focus is on SPIRITUAL charity. Many
organizations today perform charitable works in providing food, clothing and
shelter. Jehovah's Witnesses spend the bulk of their contributions on
printing Bibles and Bible-based publications in every language on Earth. It
also costs a fortune to bring these Bibles and literature to the world.
After all these funds are used up and entirely spent on these things alone,
those who spiritually minister to the world must often live off their own
resources.
Just because you place zero value on spiritual things, thinking the poor
don't need anything beyond a meal and some shelter, thinking that spiritual
matters mean nothing to people, thinking that giving the poor and destitute
HOPE FOR THE FUTURE so they know there is a better tomorrow beyond a hot
meal, shower and shelter with bed, doesn't make it so.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe their place in the world of charity is to
provide a spiritual ministry to all people in every economic strata. All
souls are equal in value in the eyes of God.
There is an abundance of ministries providing help to the physical needs of
the poor, but how many ministries are focusing on their internal needs that
transcend mere mortal flesh? I would like to share with you scriptures from
the Greek book of 2 Corinthians that articulates the encompassing of a
ministry that values not only physical needs, which indeed many blessed
organizations are fulfilling materially to the poor worldwide, but just as
important *if not more importantly* the SPIRITUAL NEEDS of humans as well:
(2 Corinthians 9:8-14) 8 God, moreover, is able to make all his undeserved
kindness abound toward YOU, that, while YOU always have full
self-sufficiency in everything, YOU may have plenty for every good work. 9
(Just as it is written: "He has distributed widely, he has given to the poor
ones, his righteousness continues forever." 10 Now he that abundantly
supplies seed to the sower and bread for eating will supply and multiply the
seed for YOU to sow and will increase the products of YOUR righteousness.)
11 In everything YOU are being enriched for every sort of generosity, which
produces through us an expression of thanks to God; 12 because the ministry
of this public service is not only to supply abundantly the wants of the
holy ones but also to be rich with many expressions of thanks to God. 13
Through the proof that this ministry gives, they glorify God because YOU are
submissive to the good news about the Christ, as YOU publicly declare YOU
are, and because YOU are generous in YOUR contribution to them and to all;
14 and with supplication for YOU they long for YOU because of the surpassing
undeserved kindness of God upon YOU.
The Watchtower Society is amongst the great organizations of the world that
are generous in their contributions to humanity. God uses EVERYONE in the
world to fulfill his purpose (just as the book of Romans points out God's
use of even the governments to provide the necessary services for its
citizens to live). Jehovah uses all charitable organizations as well to
provide a BALANCE between important physical AND spiritual needs. The
Watchtower Society has its place in God's master plan by helping people to
see clearly through the pages of the Bible that this life is not all there
is. Far from it! Our lives are NOT meaningless. We were not born in a cold
godless universe only to live out brief existences as mere blips on the
geologic timeline of eternity. WE WERE BORN TO LIVE FOREVER. Our lives have
a purpose and hope. While countless millions of poor are eating hot meals
provided by blessed charitable organizations so they can live another day,
Jehovah's Witnesses are filling their minds and hearts with God's promise in
the Bible that they, too, will live to see an age of everlasting peace,
prosperity, health and an abundance of wonders in life that transcend human
mortality. Those who embrace God's promises are heirs to a Kingdom that will
one day put an end to all these sorrows. Until then, every charitable
organization providing for the needed physical needs of Earth's poor is
important but not to the exclusion of those giving people hope, comfort and
purpose for otherwise empty lives!
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User: "~.**.~"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million - no charity from the selfish WTS/GB/JWs 25 Mar 2005 08:35:50 PM
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:42449ee6$1_1@127.0.0.1...


"Kalamity Jane" <kalam@fish.net> wrote in message
news:42433cb5$0$1661$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...


"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RK-dnWCZeL4vk97fRVn-qg@comcast.com...

riiiiight... me, me, me
now tell me again how atheists dont make gods of themselves in their
minds

==============
Now tell us what YOU and the WTS/GB/JWs have done for anyone but
themselves,
hypocrite! They don't even run one soup kitchen for the homeless or one
medical clinic in a 3rd world nation... because it's all ME, ME, ME!

They

want to build more multi-million dollar Paterson Complexes. SHAME ON
THEIR
me, me, me attitude - and on you!


========

You know perfectly well the focus is on SPIRITUAL charity.

* There is no such thing! If someone wants "religion" they are free to go
to any church of their choice.
YES or NO?
Many

organizations today perform charitable works in providing food, clothing

and

shelter.

** While the JWs only peddle the WTS and it's publications which do nothing
for the needy and homeless - in any Nation.
Jehovah's Witnesses spend the bulk of their contributions on

printing Bibles and Bible-based publications in every language on Earth.

** To get more converts and send more CASH to the WTS/GB, and for no other
reason. And not one PENNY goes to any charity on earth.
It

also costs a fortune to bring these Bibles and literature to the world.

** Which it utter BS since they refuse to pay their "slaves" even the
minimum wage. The WT workers aren't even provided health or death benefits
that the GB so enjoys. The WTS's overhead is ZILCH compared to legitimate
and honest book publishing companies.

After all these funds are used up and entirely spent on these things

alone,

those who spiritually minister to the world must often live off their own
resources.

** But the GB lives in splendor at the OPULENT Patterson Complex in NY. You
don't see a problem here. The funds are NEVER used up because they pay
NOTHING in wages and/or benefits.

Just because you place zero value on spiritual things, thinking the poor
don't need anything beyond a meal and some shelter,

** No that's what YOU say. Do what other religions do - HELP feed, clothe
and house the homeless *and* teach them your brand of religion along the
way. Stop weasel wording your replies.
======= snip overlong propaganda nonsense.
CR....
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
=============================
http://www.jwfiles.com/index.htm
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 25 Mar 2005 07:07:52 PM
On 25 Mar 2005, Precision dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Now tell us what YOU and the WTS/GB/JWs have done for anyone but
themselves,
hypocrite! They don't even run one soup kitchen for the homeless or
one medical clinic in a 3rd world nation... because it's all ME, ME,
ME! They want to build more multi-million dollar Paterson Complexes.
SHAME ON THEIR
me, me, me attitude - and on you!



You know perfectly well the focus is on SPIRITUAL charity. Many
organizations today perform charitable works in providing food,
clothing and shelter.

This is correct. Take the tsunami relief people for example. Christians
descended upon those poor Muslim and Hindu people with beautiful gifts of
food, medicine and clothing - available only as long as they began
converting to Christianity. The gift of a knee in the groin, if you ask
me, putz.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "~.**.~"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 25 Mar 2005 08:37:36 PM
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AE8205721vicman@216.196.97.136...

This is correct. Take the tsunami relief people for example. Christians
descended upon those poor Muslim and Hindu people with beautiful gifts of
food, medicine and clothing - available only as long as they began
converting to Christianity. ......

===================
Where did you read this?
CR........
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
The best defense to logic is ignorance
.
User: "L Perez"

Title: carol 25 Mar 2005 10:55:45 PM
--
BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to slander and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted atheists (Matthew
12:30; John 8:44-47) I have all of their posts filtered out because they can
not hold an intelligent conversation and often resort to lies. They claim to
be quoting from Watch Tower literature but these are *NOT* exact quotes,
they change words and quote things out of context. I don't respond to
spurious fabrications. Hence if you see that I am not answering someone, it
is because their previous attempts at deception have earned them a place in
the 'block sender' file. They exist here only to destroy (1 Corinthians
10:6-11) They speak not as Christians (Ephesians 4:31-32) I do not need to
name them for by their fruits you will recognize them (Matthew 7:16-20) One
has to wonder, why was a newsgroup set up to attack this *one* organization?
Matthew 5:10-12
"~.**.~" <~.@~.~> wrote in message
news:4244caf2$0$29115$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...


"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AE8205721vicman@216.196.97.136...

This is correct. Take the tsunami relief people for example. Christians
descended upon those poor Muslim and Hindu people with beautiful gifts of
food, medicine and clothing - available only as long as they began
converting to Christianity. ......

===================
Where did you read this?

CR........
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
The best defense to logic is ignorance

.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: carol 26 Mar 2005 12:16:24 PM
On 25 Mar 2005, L Perez dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to
slander and lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any
alternative organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted
atheists (Matthew 12:30; John 8:44-47) I have all of their posts
filtered out because they can not hold an intelligent conversation and
often resort to lies. They claim to be quoting from Watch Tower
literature but these are *NOT* exact quotes, they change words and
quote things out of context. I don't respond to spurious fabrications.
Hence if you see that I am not answering someone, it is because their
previous attempts at deception have earned them a place in the 'block
sender' file. They exist here only to destroy (1 Corinthians 10:6-11)
They speak not as Christians (Ephesians 4:31-32) I do not need to name
them for by their fruits you will recognize them (Matthew 7:16-20) One
has to wonder, why was a newsgroup set up to attack this *one*
organization? Matthew 5:10-12

IOW-
Beware of people who have actually read the bible. Reading the bible
without guidance from a priest can be hazardous to your faith.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.

User: "thomas p"

Title: Re: carol 26 Mar 2005 03:40:34 AM
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:55:45 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

--
BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to slander and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted atheists

NO! I am shocked! Some of the people in alt.atheism are actually
atheists? What was your very first clue?
snip of other amazing revelations.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
.
User: "MsAnthrope"

Title: Re: carol 26 Mar 2005 09:29:43 AM
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:40:34 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:55:45 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

--
BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to slander and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted atheists



NO! I am shocked! Some of the people in alt.atheism are actually
atheists? What was your very first clue?

Some of the men in alt.tv.xena dress like Xena too. There's a
newsgroup for every taste.
--
MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
.
User: "L Perez"

Title: Re: carol 26 Mar 2005 12:26:14 PM
"MsAnthrope" <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in message
news:rtva41h7bbs3gs7s2j6uori9r0hmqnofue@4ax.com...

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:40:34 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:55:45 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

--
BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to slander
and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted atheists



NO! I am shocked! Some of the people in alt.atheism are actually
atheists? What was your very first clue?

my bad... I hit send before snecking all the crossposted ngs


Some of the men in alt.tv.xena dress like Xena too. There's a
newsgroup for every taste.

now *thats* funny!
LOL


--
MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred

.
User: "thomas p"

Title: Re: carol 27 Mar 2005 12:49:12 AM
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:26:14 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

"MsAnthrope" <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in message
news:rtva41h7bbs3gs7s2j6uori9r0hmqnofue@4ax.com...

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:40:34 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:55:45 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

--
BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to slander
and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted atheists



NO! I am shocked! Some of the people in alt.atheism are actually
atheists? What was your very first clue?



my bad... I hit send before snecking all the crossposted ngs

And you lie a lot, but that is to be expected. How else could someone
defend nonsense?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
.
User: "~[*.|.*]~"

Title: Re: carol 27 Mar 2005 05:08:16 PM
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:d3lc41hplonhki6stlks2qr118c4pc3omo@4ax.com...

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:26:14 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

"MsAnthrope" <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in message
news:rtva41h7bbs3gs7s2j6uori9r0hmqnofue@4ax.com...

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:40:34 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 21:55:45 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
wrote:

--
BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only here to

slander

and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization... as a matter of fact, some are admitted atheists



NO! I am shocked! Some of the people in alt.atheism are actually
atheists? What was your very first clue?



my bad... I hit send before snecking all the crossposted ngs


And you lie a lot, but that is to be expected. How else could someone
defend nonsense?

=====================
JWs don't call it lying when they lie. Only OTHER people lie. They call
their dishonesty and lies "theocratic warfare."
--
CR....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
.






User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 26 Mar 2005 12:13:32 PM
On 25 Mar 2005, ~.**.~ dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:


"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AE8205721vicman@216.196.97.136...

This is correct. Take the tsunami relief people for example.
Christians descended upon those poor Muslim and Hindu people with
beautiful gifts of food, medicine and clothing - available only as
long as they began converting to Christianity. ......

===================
Where did you read this?

It was all over the news. Where were you?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "~*.|.*~"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 26 Mar 2005 08:32:10 PM
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96256842511A2vicman@216.196.97.136...

On 25 Mar 2005, ~.**.~ dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:


"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AE8205721vicman@216.196.97.136...

This is correct. Take the tsunami relief people for example.
Christians descended upon those poor Muslim and Hindu people with
beautiful gifts of food, medicine and clothing - available only as
long as they began converting to Christianity. ......

===================
Where did you read this?


It was all over the news. Where were you?

======================
I watched the News and didn't see anything about anyone trying to convert
the Tsunami victims to Christianity.
CR.......
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
The best defense to logic is ignorance....
.


User: "Sam"

Title: Re: Human Extinction 3 Million Years Overdue 25 Mar 2005 08:40:39 PM
~.**.~ wrote:

"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9624AE8205721vicman@216.196.97.136...

This is correct. Take the tsunami relief people for example. Christians
descended upon those poor Muslim and Hindu people with beautiful gifts of
food, medicine and clothing - available only as long as they began
converting to Christianity. ......


===================
Where did you read this?

CR........

i guess you didnt read the part where i said that people i work with at
a church went to India just after the tsunami to convert those people
--
Sam
.








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