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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 01 Apr 2007 08:34:04 PM
Object: Human rights for apes?
Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959
Human rights for apes?
Growing movement wants to grant 'personhood'
An international movement is growing to grant human rights and
"personhood" to apes.
In Austria, judges must decide whether a British woman should become
legal guardian of a chimpanzee, and in Spain, members of parliament
are being urged to grant apes the right to life, freedom and
protection from torture, reports BBC News magazine.
Ian Redmond of the U.N.'s Great Apes Survival Project contends apes
are special because they are so closely related to humans -
chimpanzees and bonobos, for example, differ by only 1 percent of
DNA.
Redmond argues the great apes have the human quality of self-awareness
and the ability to reason.
"Show a gibbon a mirror and the reaction suggests he or she thinks the
reflection is another gibbon," he said. "But all the great apes have
passed the 'mirror self-recognition' test and soon begin checking
their teeth or examining parts of their body they couldn't see without
the mirror. This self-awareness surely suggests that they know they
exist."
Zoologist Charlotte Uhlenbroek argues apes have a similar lifespan to
humans and form lifelong family bonds in which they display emotions
that could be described as love, anxiety, fear, jealousy and trauma.
"If I was an alien from Mars and looked at human society and a society
of apes then in terms of the emotional life I would see no distinct
difference, although we live very different lives because of language
and technology, "Uhlenbroek said.
Redmond asserts apes need protection, noting, for example, an
international trade ban is flouted in Africa and South-East Asia,
where mothers are shot and their infants shipped off as pets, circus
performers or lab animals.
The British woman who wants to adopt a chimpanzee, Paula Stibbe, says
the animal was abducted from its family tribe in West Africa 25 years
ago. It now lives in an animal sanctuary that is about to close, and
she wants to prevent it from being sold to a zoo by persuading a court
to grant the same protection as a child.
.

User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 01 Apr 2007 09:10:34 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1175477643.990574.135950@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?






http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959



Human rights for apes?

Growing movement wants to grant 'personhood'

Jealousy will get you nowhere, JYoung.
You'll have to wait till all the apes get 'personhood' before you're granted
it.
Smiler,
The godless one
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 01 Apr 2007 11:23:26 PM
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

We know that you hate liberty and civil rights.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "J Young"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 11:48:25 AM
On Apr 2, 12:23=EF=BF=BDam,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:

J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?


We know that you hate liberty and civil rights.

--
Ray Fischer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0

=A0

So, do you favor an equal rights amendment for apes?
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 09:51:48 PM
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?


We know that you hate liberty and civil rights.


So, do you favor an equal rights amendment for apes?

So, do you favor enslavement for women?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 10:09:04 PM
On 2 Apr 2007 09:48:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

So, do you favor an equal rights amendment for apes?

We ARE apes, numbnuts. Why are you against people having rights?
.

User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:46:29 PM
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:48:25 -0700, J Young wrote:

On Apr 2, 12:23�am,

(Ray Fischer) wrote:

J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?


We know that you hate liberty and civil rights.

--
Ray Fischer        

 




So, do you favor an equal rights amendment for apes?

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have an ERA for human women, first? Or
do you value apes more highly than women?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.



User: "Goober"

Title: ||( Human rights for Duh Duh Doofus? )|| 02 Apr 2007 03:46:35 AM
J Young wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?






http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959



Human rights for apes?

Growing movement wants to grant 'personhood'



An international movement is growing to grant human rights and
"personhood" to apes.

In Austria, judges must decide whether a British woman should become
legal guardian of a chimpanzee, and in Spain, members of parliament
are being urged to grant apes the right to life, freedom and
protection from torture, reports BBC News magazine.

Ian Redmond of the U.N.'s Great Apes Survival Project contends apes
are special because they are so closely related to humans -
chimpanzees and bonobos, for example, differ by only 1 percent of
DNA.

Redmond argues the great apes have the human quality of self-awareness
and the ability to reason.

"Show a gibbon a mirror and the reaction suggests he or she thinks the
reflection is another gibbon," he said. "But all the great apes have
passed the 'mirror self-recognition' test and soon begin checking
their teeth or examining parts of their body they couldn't see without
the mirror. This self-awareness surely suggests that they know they
exist."

Zoologist Charlotte Uhlenbroek argues apes have a similar lifespan to
humans and form lifelong family bonds in which they display emotions
that could be described as love, anxiety, fear, jealousy and trauma.

"If I was an alien from Mars and looked at human society and a society
of apes then in terms of the emotional life I would see no distinct
difference, although we live very different lives because of language
and technology, "Uhlenbroek said.

Redmond asserts apes need protection, noting, for example, an
international trade ban is flouted in Africa and South-East Asia,
where mothers are shot and their infants shipped off as pets, circus
performers or lab animals.


The British woman who wants to adopt a chimpanzee, Paula Stibbe, says
the animal was abducted from its family tribe in West Africa 25 years
ago. It now lives in an animal sanctuary that is about to close, and
she wants to prevent it from being sold to a zoo by persuading a court
to grant the same protection as a child.

Bwahahaha!
--
.

User: "John Popelish"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 01 Apr 2007 08:02:35 PM
J Young wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959

Human rights for apes?

Growing movement wants to grant 'personhood'

An international movement is growing to grant human rights and
"personhood" to apes.

(snip)
I think you are just bothered because apes have exactly as
much of a soul as you have.
.
User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 11:36:57 AM
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:rd-dnX5q9Y_a-Y3bnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@adelphia.com...

J Young wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959

Human rights for apes?

Growing movement wants to grant 'personhood'

An international movement is growing to grant human rights and
"personhood" to apes.

(snip)

I think you are just bothered because apes have exactly as much of a soul
as you have.

No, I think he's jealous that apes have a soul and he doesn't.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 01 Apr 2007 11:53:02 PM
In article <rd-dnX5q9Y_a-Y3bnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@adelphia.com>,
John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:

J Young wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959

Human rights for apes?

Growing movement wants to grant 'personhood'

An international movement is growing to grant human rights and
"personhood" to apes.

(snip)

I think you are just bothered because apes have exactly as
much of a soul as you have.

And they're smarter.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.


User: "LC"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 01 Apr 2007 08:54:56 PM
Ku Klux Katholic "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1175477643.990574.135950@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

<snip IBen's Wholed Nuts troll>
So, you've just confirmed you're against civil rights and women's rights.
There's a surprise... <sarcasm>
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 10:07:53 PM
On 1 Apr 2007 18:34:04 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys.

Moneys aren't apes. Bur monkeys aren't aware of that.
.
User: "J Young"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 11:27:42 PM
On Apr 2, 11:07=EF=BF=BDpm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2007 18:34:04 -0700, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys.


Moneys aren't apes. =A0Bur monkeys aren't aware of that.

Are you discriminating between monkeys and apes?
.
User: "No One"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 11:30:10 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

On Apr 2, 11:07�pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2007 18:34:04 -0700, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys.


Moneys aren't apes.  Bur monkeys aren't aware of that.


Are you discriminating between monkeys and apes?

Do you know that these are different species?
.
User: "J Young"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 11:47:13 PM
On Apr 3, 12:30?am, No One <n...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:

"J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> writes:

On Apr 2, 11:07?pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2007 18:34:04 -0700, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:


Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys.


Moneys aren't apes. ?Bur monkeys aren't aware of that.


Are you discriminating between monkeys and apes?


Do you know that these are different species?

.....and?
.
User: "No One"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 11:58:09 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

On Apr 3, 12:30?am, No One <n...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:

"J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> writes:

On Apr 2, 11:07?pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2007 18:34:04 -0700, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:


Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys.


Moneys aren't apes. ?Bur monkeys aren't aware of that.


Are you discriminating between monkeys and apes?


Do you know that these are different species?


....and?

Note that he wouldn't answer the question in spite of his
subject line not matching te article he cut and pasted. :-)
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 03 Apr 2007 04:34:23 PM
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:30:10 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

On Apr 2, 11:07?pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On 1 Apr 2007 18:34:04 -0700, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys.


Moneys aren't apes.

ur monkeys aren't aware of that.


Are you discriminating between monkeys and apes?


Do you know that these are different species?

They aren't even in the same superfamily, so of course they aren't the
same species. :)
.




User: "Gospel Bretts"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 08:54:30 PM
On 1 Apr 2007 18:34:04 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

Jeezus Keerist! You mean them fucking liberals want civil rights,
women's rights, and gay rights????? WTF?????
______________________________________
Gospel Bretts
Sworn and bitter enemy of bobandcarole
.

User: "Parsifal"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:42:20 AM
On 2 avr, 03:34, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959

That's what happens when you take your information from such a
website...
.
User: "No One"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:51:10 AM
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> writes:

On 2 avr, 03:34, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959


That's what happens when you take your information from such a
website...

.... and when someone lacks a sense of perspective. Of course you'll
find some crazy ideas from a few "liberals", along with a lot of
very good ideas. When you have enough people generating enough ideas,
a few will be a bit "out there".
Usually what happens is that the not so great ideas get rejected,
but the conservatives then pick those up and harp on them because
they don't want to talk about all the good ones.
.

User: "Andres64"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:46:17 AM
On Apr 2, 1:42 am, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2 avr, 03:34, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959


That's what happens when you take your information from such a
website...

You know. The funny thing is that I can tell a J Young thread just
from the title. He's really too stupid and bigoted to even be
pathetic.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 10:07:45 AM
Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:

J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, criminals' rights, and now
equal rights for monkeys. Where will this liberal insanity end?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54959

That's what happens when you take your information from such a
website...

You know. The funny thing is that I can tell a J Young thread just
from the title. He's really too stupid and bigoted to even be
pathetic.

I thought everyone would've had the idiot killfiled by now.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "J Young"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 10:40:48 AM
On Apr 2, 11:07?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:


I thought ..

Your first lie
.
User: "LC"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 10:53:38 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1175528448.293191.21700@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 2, 11:07?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

I thought ..

Your first lie

Thus affirming that attention ***** troll "J Young's" greatest fear is the
kill file.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:14:52 PM
LC <LC_isnot@this.com> wrote in alt.atheism

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message

Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

I thought ..

Your first lie

Thus affirming that attention ***** troll "J Young's" greatest fear is the
kill file.

I hardly ever see him respond to any of the posts in the threads he
starts, but people still keep responding to him. Guess I'm guilty of
that right now, but I've got him killfiled, and just wondered why
others don't quit responding directly to him.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "LC"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:20:22 PM
"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:7ae2131p51o95ma2spnhcumud7751bv46k@4ax.com...

LC <LC_isnot@this.com> wrote in alt.atheism

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message

Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

I thought ..

Your first lie

Thus affirming that attention ***** troll "J Young's" greatest fear is
the kill file.

I hardly ever see him respond to any of the posts in the threads he
starts,

Nah. If he can't cut and paste his "opinion", he's got nothing.

but people still keep responding to him. Guess I'm guilty of
that right now, but I've got him killfiled, and just wondered why
others don't quit responding directly to him.

It would cetainly be for the best if everyone would KF the inane ***** but,
alas, he willingly serves as a textbook bad example.

--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com

.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 01:01:29 PM
LC <LC_isnot@this.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

LC <LC_isnot@this.com> wrote in alt.atheism

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message

Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

I thought ..

Your first lie

Thus affirming that attention ***** troll "J Young's" greatest fear is
the kill file.

I hardly ever see him respond to any of the posts in the threads he
starts,

Nah. If he can't cut and paste his "opinion", he's got nothing.

Can't think for himself, eh?
I'd actually like to see him try, in front of everyone around here,
but from his past history, I doubt he'll ever do it.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 10:13:45 PM
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:01:29 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

I'd actually like to see him try, in front of everyone around here,
but from his past history, I doubt he'll ever do it.

You've probably seen examples of his "thinking" for himself. His
rants against Blacks, Jews, Gays ...
While his other nym is claiming that he's never said anything like
that.
.



User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:44:33 PM
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:14:52 +0000, Elroy Willis wrote:

LC <LC_isnot@this.com> wrote in alt.atheism

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message

Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:


I thought ..


Your first lie


Thus affirming that attention ***** troll "J Young's" greatest fear is
the kill file.


I hardly ever see him respond to any of the posts in the threads he
starts, but people still keep responding to him. Guess I'm guilty of that
right now, but I've got him killfiled, and just wondered why others don't
quit responding directly to him.

I can't speak for others, but I respond because it amuses me to be
offended by his stupidity.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Human rights for apes? 02 Apr 2007 12:59:08 PM
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

LC <LC_isnot@this.com> wrote in alt.atheism

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message

Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

I thought ..

Your first lie

Thus affirming that attention ***** troll "J Young's" greatest fear is
the kill file.

I hardly ever see him respond to any of the posts in the threads he
starts, but people still keep responding to him. Guess I'm guilty of that
right now, but I've got him killfiled, and just wondered why others don't
quit responding directly to him.

I can't speak for others, but I respond because it amuses me to be
offended by his stupidity.

Did you actually think he might respond to you personally, when you
made your response, or did you already know it was a longshot at best?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.









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