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Religions > Atheism |
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"Joseph H" |
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24 Dec 2004 05:27:28 PM |
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HUMANISATION: A SHIFT TOO FAR FOR DAVID V. |
Humanisation, as we all know now, rests on 5 easy propositions:
1: Human beings have been endowed by nature with the wherewithall to
organise themselves intelligently.
2: The initial expression of this capability was compromised by error
and by the trauma attendant on our colonisation of the planet -
migration, conquest, subjugation...
3: Now that much of this trauma is past we should expect that
humanity will finally move towards an intelligent and knowing mastery
of the globe.
4: Instead, a strident individualism blocks perception of any such
possibility.
5: To trancend this individualism a new vision of human potential is
required.
See, it's simple. Anyone could understand it. Well, anyone but David
V. The Nemesis of the Net struggles manfully - but hopelessly. He
conceals his distress behind some mild carping. Occasionally he even
sneers. But we see the ttragic reality...
But all is not lost. Luckily, a fine citizen, one Publius, has
provided a solution. He explains that Humanisation might well be a
Paradigm Shift. It is a fine phrase. We now see that David V is
suffering from nothing more than Paradigm Deficiency, a common enough
ailment among those who sneer. We are convinced that in this season of
good cheer and general bonhomie he will quickly see the error of ways
and finally submit - gladly - to the historical inevitability that is
Humanisation.
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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| User: "Edgar Svendsen" |
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| Title: Re: HUMANISATION: A SHIFT TOO FAR FOR DAVID V. |
24 Dec 2004 09:48:23 PM |
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"Joseph H" <joseph@humanisation.org> wrote in message
news:2b0ce0c5.0412241527.7fac00dc@posting.google.com...
Humanisation, as we all know now, rests on 5 easy propositions:
1: Human beings have been endowed by nature with the wherewithall to
organise themselves intelligently.
There is no evidence for this. It's true that humans can organize small
groups to a limited degree but there is no example I know of where any such
group behaved intellegently under all circumstances for any length of time.
2: The initial expression of this capability was compromised by error
and by the trauma attendant on our colonisation of the planet -
migration, conquest, subjugation...
There is no proof that any limitation of human's ability to organize
intelligently was compromised by the trauma you mention. It may have been
compromised by some other factor; or it may have never been all that
efficient.
3: Now that much of this trauma is past we should expect that
humanity will finally move towards an intelligent and knowing mastery
of the globe.
There is no evidence that the trauma (if any) is past; in fact reading the
news suggests that the trauma, if indeed it is the causative factor, is
still in full swing. Humanity may indeed move as you say but a much
stronger argument is needed to establish that this is the moment when that
movement begins. The more likely scenario, IMHO, is that it will begin at
some time in the moderately distant future.
4: Instead, a strident individualism blocks perception of any such
possibility.
5: To trancend this individualism a new vision of human potential is
required.
Again a stronger argument is needed to establish that a new vision is what
is needed for that transcendence rather then, say, new abilities or new
technology.
See, it's simple. Anyone could understand it. Well, anyone but David
V. The Nemesis of the Net struggles manfully - but hopelessly. He
conceals his distress behind some mild carping. Occasionally he even
sneers. But we see the ttragic reality...
But all is not lost. Luckily, a fine citizen, one Publius, has
provided a solution. He explains that Humanisation might well be a
Paradigm Shift. It is a fine phrase. We now see that David V is
suffering from nothing more than Paradigm Deficiency, a common enough
ailment among those who sneer. We are convinced that in this season of
good cheer and general bonhomie he will quickly see the error of ways
and finally submit - gladly - to the historical inevitability that is
Humanisation.
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: HUMANISATION: A SHIFT TOO FAR FOR DAVID V. |
25 Dec 2004 06:35:10 PM |
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"Edgar Svendsen" <solon013@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:bq5zd.907$qf5.472@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Joseph H" <joseph@humanisation.org> wrote in message
news:2b0ce0c5.0412241527.7fac00dc@posting.google.com...
Humanisation, as we all know now, rests on 5 easy propositions:
1: Human beings have been endowed by nature with the wherewithall to
organise themselves intelligently.
There is no evidence for this. It's true that humans can organize small
groups to a limited degree but there is no example I know of where any
such
group behaved intellegently under all circumstances for any length of
time.
2: The initial expression of this capability was compromised by error
and by the trauma attendant on our colonisation of the planet -
migration, conquest, subjugation...
There is no proof that any limitation of human's ability to organize
intelligently was compromised by the trauma you mention. It may have been
compromised by some other factor; or it may have never been all that
efficient.
3: Now that much of this trauma is past we should expect that
humanity will finally move towards an intelligent and knowing mastery
of the globe.
There is no evidence that the trauma (if any) is past; in fact reading the
news suggests that the trauma, if indeed it is the causative factor, is
still in full swing. Humanity may indeed move as you say but a much
stronger argument is needed to establish that this is the moment when that
movement begins. The more likely scenario, IMHO, is that it will begin at
some time in the moderately distant future.
4: Instead, a strident individualism blocks perception of any such
possibility.
5: To trancend this individualism a new vision of human potential is
required.
Again a stronger argument is needed to establish that a new vision is what
is needed for that transcendence rather then, say, new abilities or new
technology.
I'll second all that.
--
The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an atheist flea.
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: HUMANISATION: A SHIFT TOO FAR FOR DAVID V. |
24 Dec 2004 09:12:38 PM |
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Joseph H wrote:
Humanisation, as we all know now, rests on 5 easy
propositions:
Why would we all know that, and why should we care?
And yes, you "humanisation" is a shift to far for me - a shift
too far backwards.
--
Dave
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: HUMANISATION: A SHIFT TOO FAR FOR DAVID V. |
25 Dec 2004 12:49:56 PM |
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Joseph H wrote:
Humanisation, as we all know now, rests on 5 easy propositions:
1: Human beings have been endowed by nature with the wherewithall to
organise themselves intelligently.
2: The initial expression of this capability was compromised by
error
and by the trauma attendant on our colonisation of the planet -
migration, conquest, subjugation...
3: Now that much of this trauma is past we should expect that
humanity will finally move towards an intelligent and knowing mastery
of the globe.
4: Instead, a strident individualism blocks perception of any such
possibility.
5: To trancend this individualism a new vision of human potential is
required.
unfortunatly the opposite of what you expect will happen.
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