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The did that in some Southern US town...every one in town was armed. It
kept things peaceful....until a black man moved into town and he was
shot 40 times in his own home one night!

Now there's an interesting thing. Being a Kiwi, I don't hold to the NRA's
thing about guns. But I'm curious, what is the source of such an
assertion - actual event, or urban myth? Source please.

Partial satire based on an actual event in the late 80s. Sorry I don't have
a link for it, so take it with as big a pinch of salt as you want.

Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:

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In article <10qn8oqo6qnn6ab@corp.supernews.com>,
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maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in
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Hydrogen Production Method Could Bolster Fuel Supplies
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/28/politics/28hydrogen.html

By MATTHEW L. WALD
Researchers say they have found a way to produce hydrogen with

less energy than other methods, a development that would move the
country closer to the goal of a "hydrogen economy."

<snip>

Now there's an idea. Make everybody's cars into little mobile

bombs. Let the terrorists come and attack then. We'll blow them all

hell.

That's like my solution to airplane hijackings. Instead of trying to

weapons away, which are difficult to detect, hand everybody a gun as

board the plane.Good luck to hijackers then!

Have everyone fly skyclad.

But then I'd want to shoot myself.

Just look at everybody else, not yourself...

--
John S. Wilkins

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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:23:12 +0000 (UTC),
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:

maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in
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Hydrogen Production Method Could Bolster Fuel Supplies
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/28/politics/28hydrogen.html

By MATTHEW L. WALD
Researchers say they have found a way to produce hydrogen with far
less energy than other methods, a development that would move the
country closer to the goal of a "hydrogen economy."

<snip>

Now there's an idea. Make everybody's cars into little mobile
hydrogen bombs. Let the terrorists come and attack then. We'll blow
them all to hell.

It can't be any worse than having cars as mobile environment
destroyers, rendering air quality so bad in places that some folks
can't breathe, while simultaneously dumping billions of dollars into
currupt regimes who then turn around and fund the terrorists.

Whoa there Aaron. I was making a funny. You know me, I couldn't be
serious if my life depended on it. Besides I think hydrogen powered
vehicles would be great and have thought so for 30 some years.

I'm not sure that everyone reading these XPed ngs understands that the
amount of energy you get from burning hydrogen is not the same as what you
would get from a fusion reaction.

In the case of burning hydrogen in automobiles, the hydrogen, even IF
produced from fossil fuels, would give up to 10 times as much energy as
putting the same amount of fossil fuel in an internal combustion engine,

and

give almost no pollution.
This is why hybrid cars are at least a stopgap solution ..


My option would be batteries charged by solar power. but I don't want to
spend a dollar per mile for fuel and pay 50 kilobux for a monster machine
with two tons of batteries that had to be charged half of the time anyway.
I think it's sad that we don't have the research and development

priorities

set up to get nuclear and solar power down to a p;ace where they can be
marketed competitively with fossil fuels.

Bob Pease

The simple solution is to use alcohol to fuel the cells. Hydrogen is a blind
alley; it's far too volatile for Joe Public to be trusted to handle and can
lead to minor explosions within the fuel cells too. Just producing it leads
to a huge cloud of pollution from the generating plant, which in the US
would be powered by coal or some other fossil fuel. On the other hand
alcohol can be produced from the fermentation of waste foodstuffs, corn
husks etc and distilled very efficiently indeed in purpose-built stills
featuring "stripper" stages. Experience with the type of still used to
produce liquor is deceiving; they are much less efficient. A still which is
built to produce fuel-alcohol produces a much higher yield in a single pass
than a traditional one can in 3x passes through it. Even the residual mash
can be used for cattle feed.

Another promising fuel for fuel cells is vegetable oil.


The only reason so many auto-makers and oil companies in the USA have
committed to Hydrogen is
because it is absorbing all the human energy which might otherwise be
devoted to the search for more realistic alternatives to petroil and
wrapping them up in a journey to certain failure. Your legislators are also
a party to this.

With alcohol it's all so simple.

Without huge 4WD PSU's it's even simpler.

Smartcar, fuel cell, an electric motor in each wheel and a use for all those
millions of tons of corn husks that the Illinois Board of Corn Control are
eager to dispose of.....

Mike.

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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:23:12 +0000 (UTC),
Gary Bohn <garybohn@REMOVETHISaccesscomm.ca> wrote:

maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in
news:18510aff.0411290320.4279c678@posting.google.com:

Hydrogen Production Method Could Bolster Fuel Supplies
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/28/politics/28hydrogen.html

By MATTHEW L. WALD
Researchers say they have found a way to produce hydrogen with far
less energy than other methods, a development that would move the
country closer to the goal of a "hydrogen economy."

<snip>

Now there's an idea. Make everybody's cars into little mobile
hydrogen bombs. Let the terrorists come and attack then. We'll blow
them all to hell.

It can't be any worse than having cars as mobile environment
destroyers, rendering air quality so bad in places that some folks
can't breathe, while simultaneously dumping billions of dollars into
currupt regimes who then turn around and fund the terrorists.

Whoa there Aaron. I was making a funny. You know me, I couldn't be
serious if my life depended on it. Besides I think hydrogen powered
vehicles would be great and have thought so for 30 some years.

I'm not sure that everyone reading these XPed ngs understands that the
amount of energy you get from burning hydrogen is not the same as what you
would get from a fusion reaction.

In the case of burning hydrogen in automobiles, the hydrogen, even IF
produced from fossil fuels, would give up to 10 times as much energy as
putting the same amount of fossil fuel in an internal combustion engine,

and

give almost no pollution.
This is why hybrid cars are at least a stopgap solution ..


My option would be batteries charged by solar power. but I don't want to
spend a dollar per mile for fuel and pay 50 kilobux for a monster machine
with two tons of batteries that had to be charged half of the time anyway.
I think it's sad that we don't have the research and development

priorities

set up to get nuclear and solar power down to a p;ace where they can be
marketed competitively with fossil fuels.

Bob Pease

The simple solution is to use alcohol to fuel the cells. Hydrogen is a blind
alley; it's far too volatile for Joe Public to be trusted to handle and can
lead to minor explosions within the fuel cells too. Just producing it leads
to a huge cloud of pollution from the generating plant, which in the US
would be powered by coal or some other fossil fuel. On the other hand
alcohol can be produced from the fermentation of waste foodstuffs, corn
husks etc and distilled very efficiently indeed in purpose-built stills
featuring "stripper" stages. Experience with the type of still used to
produce liquor is deceiving; they are much less efficient. A still which is
built to produce fuel-alcohol produces a much higher yield in a single pass
than a traditional one can in 3x passes through it. Even the residual mash
can be used for cattle feed.

Another promising fuel for fuel cells is vegetable oil.


The only reason so many auto-makers and oil companies in the USA have
committed to Hydrogen is
because it is absorbing all the human energy which might otherwise be
devoted to the search for more realistic alternatives to petroil and
wrapping them up in a journey to certain failure. Your legislators are also
a party to this.

With alcohol it's all so simple.

Without huge 4WD PSU's it's even simpler.

Smartcar, fuel cell, an electric motor in each wheel and a use for all those
millions of tons of corn husks that the Illinois Board of Corn Control are
eager to dispose of.....

Mike.