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"Gactimus" |
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06 Aug 2004 07:39:52 PM |
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Hypocrite Kerry 'Couldn't Think' for 40 Minutes on 9/11 |
John Kerry is getting his comeuppance for his snotty comments about
President Bush's actions on 9/11.
Here's what the Massachusetts Democrat said July 8 when Larry King asked
where he was on 9/11, according to CNN's own transcript:
'Nobody Could Think'
"I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting - we'd just come into a
leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol. And
as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we
watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter
sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and
then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon.
And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were
to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation."
How appropriate that Kerry lumps himself in with fellow leftist do-nothing
non-thinkers such as Boxer, Daschle and Reid.
Thanks to the several readers today who sent us this fascinating bit from
Blog for Bush: "the second plane hit the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m.,
and the plane hit the Pentagon at 9:43 a.m. By Kerry's own words, he and
his fellow senators sat there for forty minutes, realizing 'nobody could
think.'"
And here's what former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told the New York
Post about Kerry's latest display of insolence:
"John Kerry must be frustrated in his campaign if he is
armchair-quarterbacking based on cues from Michael Moore.
"John Kerry is an indecisive candidate [with] an inconsistent position on
the War on Terror, who voted against funding for our troops and who cannot
give a clear answer on his position concerning the decision to remove
Saddam Hussein."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/6/92357.shtml
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Hypocrite Kerry 'Couldn't Think' for 40 Minutes on 9/11 |
06 Aug 2004 08:39:04 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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John Kerry is getting his comeuppance for his snotty comments about
President Bush's actions on 9/11.
Here's what the Massachusetts Democrat said July 8 when Larry King asked
where he was on 9/11, according to CNN's own transcript:
'Nobody Could Think'
*****. This is a stupid comparison.
1) The criticism of Bush has not been for inaction during the time interval
between the first and second hit on the WTC buildings (40 minutes), it was
for 7 minutes inaction after the SECOND hit. The first hit may well have
been an accident. like the bomber that hit the Empire State Bldg in 194[5].
When the second hit occurred Bush was informed that an attack was taking
place, and he sat doing nothing.
2) Bush was not a legislator like Kerry and the others, he is the chief
executive of the state, military commander in chief. Once it was understood
an attack was underway, he was informed in the classroom where he sat like a
rabbit, until his people finally got him moving.
During a crisis, people without responsibility and information don't act the
same as people who are in positions of primary responsibility. Do people
standing around a fire act the same as the fire chief?
Bush, not a bunch of legislative people, had responsibility for getting
info, making sure his people were up and active, and getting his mind around
the problem so he could make quick decisions, like shoot downs of passenger
planes.
Bush, not Kerry and the others you reference was at the top of the chain of
command - senators are not in the chain of command. Bush should have been
asking questions about other types of attacks if occurring from those who
report to him, how many other planes in the air known to be hijacked, what
info is coming in (cell phones), do we have fighters in the air, do those
fighters have weapons packages on them (they often don't) etc etc.
This is just more cowardly Karl Rove garbage like candidate McCain being
under control of the N. Vietnamese, or having a black illegitimate child.
BUSHIE GARBAGE
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| User: "Ian MacLure" |
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| Title: Re: Hypocrite Kerry 'Couldn't Think' for 40 Minutes on 9/11 |
06 Aug 2004 10:35:04 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Bill548@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:YoWQc.11308$9Y6.4478@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
[snip]
1) The criticism of Bush has not been for inaction during the time
interval between the first and second hit on the WTC buildings (40
minutes), it was for 7 minutes inaction after the SECOND hit. The
first hit may well have been an accident. like the bomber that hit the
Empire State Bldg in 194[5]. When the second hit occurred Bush was
informed that an attack was taking place, and he sat doing nothing.
And you know he did "nothing" how exactly.
Doesn't take much to set Defcon or otherwise activate
predetermined plans.
2) Bush was not a legislator like Kerry and the others, he is the
chief executive of the state, military commander in chief. Once it was
understood an attack was underway, he was informed in the classroom
where he sat like a rabbit, until his people finally got him moving.
Well, it takes a finite amount of time to get ducks in a row.
He left when the ducks were ready.
During a crisis, people without responsibility and information don't
act the same as people who are in positions of primary responsibility.
Do people standing around a fire act the same as the fire chief?
The Fire Chief does not generally command operations.
That is the province of Battalion Chiefs.
Bush, not a bunch of legislative people, had responsibility for
getting
info, making sure his people were up and active, and getting his mind
around the problem so he could make quick decisions, like shoot downs
of passenger planes.
Evidently he did communicate that to Cheney.
Bush, not Kerry and the others you reference was at the top of the
chain of command - senators are not in the chain of command. Bush
should have been asking questions about other types of attacks if
occurring from those who report to him, how many other planes in the
air known to be hijacked, what info is coming in (cell phones), do we
have fighters in the air, do those fighters have weapons packages on
them (they often don't) etc etc.
And thats the sort of minutia that you do not want the C-in-C
concerned with. The dozen or so aircraft standing alert in the
CONUS on 9/11 were armed. However their posture was directed
outwards. They were positioned to defend high value targets
against external threats. Al-Qaeda got in a sucker punch.
They won't be able to do that again.
Not sure how long it would have taken to surge armed air
defence aircraft in numbers but I suspect the answer would have
been more time than the situation provided.
This is just more cowardly Karl Rove garbage like candidate McCain
being under control of the N. Vietnamese, or having a black
illegitimate child.
And what I ask you would be wrong with having a black
illegitimate child. It doesn't seem to bother Jesse
Jackson.
What are you? Some kind of racist bigot.
IBM
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| User: "Synchrodestinys Child" |
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06 Aug 2004 10:44:22 PM |
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Ian MacLure <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in news:Xns953DD163D3D6Dibmsvpalorg@
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The dozen or so aircraft standing alert in the
CONUS on 9/11 were armed. However their posture was directed
outwards. They were positioned to defend high value targets
against external threats. Al-Qaeda got in a sucker punch.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Are you drinking Nyquil again?
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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07 Aug 2004 09:49:18 AM |
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"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
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Ian MacLure <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in news:Xns953DD163D3D6Dibmsvpalorg@
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The dozen or so aircraft standing alert in the
CONUS on 9/11 were armed. However their posture was directed
outwards. They were positioned to defend high value targets
against external threats. Al-Qaeda got in a sucker punch.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Are you drinking Nyquil again?
apparnetly he thinks they could only fly "outward" and New York wasn't high
value, or too far away, or sumptin. ;-))
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| User: "IBM" |
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| Title: Re: Hypocrite Kerry 'Couldn't Think' for 40 Minutes on 9/11 |
09 Aug 2004 04:15:26 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Bill548@Hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
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Ian MacLure <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in
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The dozen or so aircraft standing alert in the
CONUS on 9/11 were armed. However their posture was
directed outwards. They were positioned to defend high
value targets against external threats. Al-Qaeda got in a
sucker punch.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Are you drinking Nyquil again?
apparnetly he thinks they could only fly "outward" and New York wasn't
high value, or too far away, or sumptin. ;-))
Bonehead, a dozen aircraft, continental US, do the math.
Detection and battle management were organised to deal with
external threats. Military surveillance within the lower 48
was spotty at best.
Your ignorance of this subject is all too evident.
Of course NYC was a high value target but you don't organise
standing air patrols over such places in minutes.
We couldn't even track the hijacked airplanes.
I suppose you'd have been happier if Bush had panicked like
Kerry is wont to do and run around in headless chicken mode
issuing orders to shoot down everything that somebody even
thought might be suspicious.
What a moron.
IBM
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| User: "Hans \Mark\ Moleman" |
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09 Aug 2004 04:30:56 PM |
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IBM <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in
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"Bill Case" <Bill548@Hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
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Ian MacLure <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in
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The dozen or so aircraft standing alert in the
CONUS on 9/11 were armed. However their posture was
directed outwards. They were positioned to defend high
value targets against external threats. Al-Qaeda got in a
sucker punch.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. Are you drinking Nyquil again?
apparnetly he thinks they could only fly "outward" and New York wasn't
high value, or too far away, or sumptin. ;-))
Bonehead, a dozen aircraft, continental US, do the math.
Detection and battle management were organised to deal with
external threats. Military surveillance within the lower 48
was spotty at best.
What about the upper 2?
Your ignorance of this subject is all too evident.
Of course NYC was a high value target but you don't organise
standing air patrols over such places in minutes.
Or hours, even...
We couldn't even track the hijacked airplanes.
We must really suck bad.
I suppose you'd have been happier if Bush had panicked like
Kerry is wont to do and run around in headless chicken mode
issuing orders to shoot down everything that somebody even
thought might be suspicious.
What a moron.
IBM
Payne Stewart?
Thank you, and good day.
Oh, yeah. I have once again established that no 757 hit the Pentagon,
anyway:
http://www.bedoper.com/pentagon/asce
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| User: "IBM" |
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10 Aug 2004 10:23:48 AM |
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"Hans \"Mark\" Moleman" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in
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[snip]
What about the upper 2?
Upper 2? Geeeeezzzzzzzzz.
Hawaii is hardly "upper".
Your ignorance of this subject is all too evident.
Of course NYC was a high value target but you don't organise
standing air patrols over such places in minutes.
Or hours, even...
You can improvise but arranging for 24/7 coverage of the list of
possible targets requires a significant reposturing of the US military
establishment with associated budgetary shuffling and congressional
consideration.
We couldn't even track the hijacked airplanes.
We must really suck bad.
Somebody found a hole in the defences. That hole is now
sealed. Yeah it sucks but its unlikely to happen again.
IBM
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| User: "Hans \Mark\ Moleman" |
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10 Aug 2004 02:37:25 PM |
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IBM <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in
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"Hans \"Mark\" Moleman" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in
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[snip]
What about the upper 2?
Upper 2? Geeeeezzzzzzzzz.
Hawaii is hardly "upper".
Then what are the lower 48?
Your ignorance of this subject is all too evident.
Of course NYC was a high value target but you don't organise
standing air patrols over such places in minutes.
Or hours, even...
You can improvise but arranging for 24/7 coverage of the list
of possible targets requires a significant reposturing of the
US military establishment with associated budgetary shuffling
and congressional consideration.
Blah blah blah. 9/11 was a joke.
http://www.bedoper.com/pentagon/asce
http://www.bedoper.com/eastman
We couldn't even track the hijacked airplanes.
We must really suck bad.
Somebody found a hole in the defences. That hole is now
sealed. Yeah it sucks but its unlikely to happen again.
IBM
The only hole was the one we made.
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| User: "IBM" |
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11 Aug 2004 09:53:05 AM |
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"Hans \"Mark\" Moleman" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in
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Then what are the lower 48?
OK, valid ( if naive ) question ( assuming you are American )
There are currently 50 states in the US of A.
48 of these are found contiguous on the North American continent.
Hawaii is way the hell off in the Pacific.
Alaska is in North America but isolated from the other 48 found
there.
The states which are not Alaska or Hawaii are sometimes referred
to as "The Lower 48".
[snip]
Blah blah blah. 9/11 was a joke.
Oh yeah, a real howler.
And the hotfoot we are giving militant Islamofacism
is even funnier, jerk.
[snip]
The only hole was the one we made.
Ordinarily I defer to experts and since you're a hole
that rule would, absent other considerations, apply.
Unfortunately you're an ***** so I get to ignore
you.
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| User: "Lil Bobby Gortician" |
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11 Aug 2004 03:11:36 PM |
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IBM <ibm@svpal.org> wrote in
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"Hans \"Mark\" Moleman" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in
news:Xns954194B8FF747spamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17:
Then what are the lower 48?
OK, valid ( if naive ) question ( assuming you are American )
There are currently 50 states in the US of A.
48 of these are found contiguous on the North American
continent. Hawaii is way the hell off in the Pacific.
Alaska is in North America but isolated from the other 48 found
there.
The states which are not Alaska or Hawaii are sometimes
referred to as "The Lower 48".
Good. YHBT.
[snip]
Blah blah blah. 9/11 was a joke.
Oh yeah, a real howler.
And the hotfoot we are giving militant Islamofacism
is even funnier, jerk.
1000 dead American soldiers can't be wrong, eh?
[snip]
The only hole was the one we made.
Ordinarily I defer to experts and since you're a hole
that rule would, absent other considerations, apply.
Unfortunately you're an ***** so I get to ignore
you.
Another stunning argument...
No 757 Hit The Pentagon
http://www.bedoper.com/eastman
ASCE Report Proves No 757 Hit The Pentagon
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07 Aug 2004 07:35:31 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
John Kerry is getting his comeuppance for his snotty comments about
President Bush's actions on 9/11.
Here's what the Massachusetts Democrat said July 8 when Larry King asked
where he was on 9/11, according to CNN's own transcript:
'Nobody Could Think'
"I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting - we'd just come into a
leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol. And
as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we
watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter
sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and
then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon.
And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were
to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation."
How appropriate that Kerry lumps himself in with fellow leftist do-nothing
non-thinkers such as Boxer, Daschle and Reid.
Thanks to the several readers today who sent us this fascinating bit from
Blog for Bush: "the second plane hit the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m.,
and the plane hit the Pentagon at 9:43 a.m. By Kerry's own words, he and
his fellow senators sat there for forty minutes, realizing 'nobody could
think.'"
And here's what former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told the New York
Post about Kerry's latest display of insolence:
"John Kerry must be frustrated in his campaign if he is
armchair-quarterbacking based on cues from Michael Moore.
"John Kerry is an indecisive candidate [with] an inconsistent position on
the War on Terror, who voted against funding for our troops and who cannot
give a clear answer on his position concerning the decision to remove
Saddam Hussein."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/6/92357.shtml
http://www3.cjad.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/canadianpress/worldnews/w08069A.htm
Bush insists his administration seeking 'new ways to harm our country'
WASHINGTON (AP) - President George W. Bush offered up a new entry for
his catalogue of "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his
administration will "never stop thinking about new ways to harm our
country and our people."
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
people, and neither do we."
No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.
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07 Aug 2004 09:55:08 AM |
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"±" <h0plibbb_oili@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gactimus wrote:
John Kerry is getting his comeuppance for his snotty comments about
President Bush's actions on 9/11.
Here's what the Massachusetts Democrat said July 8 when Larry King asked
where he was on 9/11, according to CNN's own transcript:
'Nobody Could Think'
"I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting - we'd just come into a
leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol.
And
as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we
watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly
thereafter
sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and
then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the
Pentagon.
And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we
were
to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation."
How appropriate that Kerry lumps himself in with fellow leftist
do-nothing
non-thinkers such as Boxer, Daschle and Reid.
Thanks to the several readers today who sent us this fascinating bit
from
Blog for Bush: "the second plane hit the World Trade Center at 9:03
a.m.,
and the plane hit the Pentagon at 9:43 a.m. By Kerry's own words, he and
his fellow senators sat there for forty minutes, realizing 'nobody could
think.'"
And here's what former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told the New
York
Post about Kerry's latest display of insolence:
"John Kerry must be frustrated in his campaign if he is
armchair-quarterbacking based on cues from Michael Moore.
"John Kerry is an indecisive candidate [with] an inconsistent position
on
the War on Terror, who voted against funding for our troops and who
cannot
give a clear answer on his position concerning the decision to remove
Saddam Hussein."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/6/92357.shtml
http://www3.cjad.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/canadianpress/worldnews/w08069A.htm
Bush insists his administration seeking 'new ways to harm our country'
WASHINGTON (AP) - President George W. Bush offered up a new entry for
his catalogue of "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his
administration will "never stop thinking about new ways to harm our
country and our people."
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
people, and neither do we."
No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.
No, they've learned to tune him out and pay attention to what Cheney wants.
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07 Aug 2004 04:28:13 PM |
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"Madelin McKinnon" <rstacey@runbox.com> wrote in message
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We need a decisive President who doesn't read children's books when
Excellent list showing just what kind man and leader Bush is.
She gave list of specific items discrediting this *****-for-brains we have
for a president - let's see you Bushies refute these, come on, let's go.
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08 Aug 2004 10:15:58 AM |
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We need a decisive, President who doesn't read children's books when
America is under attack, this flip-flopping George Bush is an
astounding flop.
Bush was against campaign finance reform; now he's for it.
Bush was against a Homeland Security Department; now he's for it.
Bush was against a 9/11 commission; now he's for it.
Bush was against an Iraq WMD investigation; now he's for it.
Bush was against nation building; now he's for it.
Bush was against deficits; now he's for them.
Bush was for free trade; then he was for tariffs on steel, and now
he's against them again.
Bush was against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict; now he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Bush was for states' rights to decide on gay marriage; now he is for
changing the Constitution to outlaw gay marriage.
Bush said he would provide money for first responders (fire, police,
emergency); then he doesn't.
Bush said that "help is on the way" to the military; then he cuts
their benefits and health care.
Bush claimed to be in favor of environmental protection; then he
secretly approved oil drilling on Padre Island in Texas and other
places and took many more anti-environmental actions.
Bush said he is the "education president;" then he refused to fully
fund key education programs and rarely does his homework, such as read
position papers so he will be more knowledgeable on issues.
Bush said that him being governor of Texas for six years was enough
political experience to be president of the U.S.; then he criticized
Sen. John Edwards for not having enough experience after Edwards had
served six years in the U.S. Senate.
During the 2000 campaign, Bush said there were too many lawsuits being
filed; then during the Florida recount, he was the first to file a
lawsuit to stop the legal counting of votes after Gore took advantage
of Florida law to ask for a recount.
On Nov. 7, 2000, the Bush campaign supported Florida county officials
drawing up new copies of some 10,000 spoiled absentee votes in 26
Republican-leaning counties that the machines did not read and marking
them for the candidates when they showed "clear intent;" they opposed
doing the same thing after Nov. 7 when Gore asked for such recounts.
Bush dominated absentee balloting in Florida by a two-to-one margin.
Bush said during the 2000 campaign that he did not have a "litmus
test" for judges he appointed to be against abortion; then he mostly
appointed judges who were against abortion.
In the early 1990s, Bush led a campaign to raise taxes in Arlington,
Texas, to build a new baseball stadium for the team he partly owned;
he later criticized politicians for supporting tax increases ñ after
he got rich by selling the team with the new stadium to a wealthy
campaign contributor.
Bush opposed the U.S. negotiating with North Korea; now he supports
it.
Bush went to the racist and segregationist Bob Jones University in
South Carolina; then he said he shouldn't have.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to
sanction military action against Iraq; later Bush announced he would
not call for a vote.
Bush first said the "mission accomplished" Iraqi banner was put up by
the sailors; he later admitted it was done by his advance team.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the
U.S.; after meeting with Mexican President Fox, he decided against it.
Bush was opposed to Rice testifying in front of the 9/11 commission
citing "separation of powers;" then he was for it.
Bush was against Ba'ath party members holding office or government
jobs in Iraq; now he's for it.
Bush said we must not appease terrorists; then he lifted trade
sanctions on admitted terrorist Mohammar Quaddafi and Pakistan, which
pardoned its official who sold nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya, and
North Korea.
Bush said he would wait until after the Nov. election to ask for more
money for the war effort; then he decided he needed it before the
election, after all.
Bush said, "Leaving Iraq prematurely would only embolden the
terrorists and increase the danger to America." His administration now
says that U.S. troops will pull out of Iraq when the new provisional
authority asks. Then he said they'll stay "as long as needed" again.
Now he's saying that the Iraqis can ask the troops to leave, and they
will. Or is he?
The Bush administration officials said that the Geneva Conventions
don't apply to "enemy combatants." Now they claims they do.
Bush officials said before the Iraq invasion that Iraq posed an
"imminent threat" to U.S. security and that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction and even nuclear weapons; after the invasion, they denied
saying the word "imminent" and saying that Iraq had WMDs and nuclear
weapons, even though they were caught on tape making such statements.
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - George
W. Bush, Sept. 13, 2001
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea, and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush,
March 13, 2002
Are you getting tired of this? Well, some in the American military are
getting tired of this, too: "The (Bush) administration has an overly
simplistic view of how and when to use our military. By not bringing
in our friends and allies, they have created a mess in Iraq and are
crippling our forces around the world." -Retired Admiral William
Crowe, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Ronald Reagan
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
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(Madelin McKinnon) wrote in
news:8916096a.0408071259.43325051@posting.google.com:
We need a decisive President who doesn't read children's books when
America is under attack, this flip-flopping George Bush is an
astounding flop.
Bush was against campaign finance reform; now he's for it.
Bush was against a Homeland Security Department; now he's for it.
Bush was against a 9/11 commission; now he's for it.
Bush was against an Iraq WMD investigation; now he's for it.
Bush was against nation building; now he's for it.
Bush was against deficits; now he's for them.
Bush was for free trade; then he was for tariffs on steel, and now
he's against them again.
Bush was against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict; now he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Bush was for states' rights to decide on gay marriage; now he is for
changing the Constitution to outlaw gay marriage.
Bush said he would provide money for first responders (fire, police,
emergency); then he doesn't.
Bush said that "help is on the way" to the military; then he cuts
their benefits and health care.
Bush claimed to be in favor of environmental protection; then he
secretly approved oil drilling on Padre Island in Texas and other
places and took many more anti-environmental actions.
Bush said he is the "education president;" then he refused to fully
fund key education programs and rarely does his homework, such as read
position papers so he will be more knowledgeable on issues.
Bush said that him being governor of Texas for six years was enough
political experience to be president of the U.S.; then he criticized
Sen. John Edwards for not having enough experience after Edwards had
served six years in the U.S. Senate.
During the 2000 campaign, Bush said there were too many lawsuits being
filed; then during the Florida recount, he was the first to file a
lawsuit to stop the legal counting of votes after Gore took advantage
of Florida law to ask for a recount.
On Nov. 7, 2000, the Bush campaign supported Florida county officials
drawing up new copies of some 10,000 spoiled absentee votes in 26
Republican-leaning counties that the machines did not read and marking
them for the candidates when they showed clear intent;" they opposed
doing the same thing after Nov. 7 when Gore asked for such recounts.
Bush dominated absentee balloting in Florida by a two-to-one margin.
Bush said during the 2000 campaign that he did not have a "litmus
test" for judges he appointed to be against abortion; then he mostly
appointed judges who were against abortion.
In the early 1990s, Bush led a campaign to raise taxes in Arlington,
Texas, to build a new baseball stadium for the team he partly owned;
he later criticized politicians for supporting tax increases ñ after
he got rich by selling the team with the new stadium to a wealthy
campaign contributor.
Bush opposed the U.S. negotiating with North Korea; now he supports
it.
Bush went to the racist and segregationist Bob Jones University in
South Carolina; then he said he shouldn't have.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to
sanction military action against Iraq; later Bush announced he would
not call for a vote.
Bush first said the "mission accomplished" Iraqi banner was put up by
the sailors; he later admitted it was done by his advance team.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the
U.S.; after meeting with Mexican President Fox, he decided against it.
Bush was opposed to Rice testifying in front of the 9/11 commission
citing "separation of powers;" then he was for it.
Bush was against Ba'ath party members holding office or government
jobs in Iraq; now he's for it.
Bush said we must not appease terrorists; then he lifted trade
sanctions on admitted terrorist Mohammar Quaddafi and Pakistan, which
pardoned its official who sold nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya, and
North Korea.
Bush said he would wait until after the Nov. election to ask for more
money for the war effort; then he decided he needed it before the
election, after all.
Bush said, "Leaving Iraq prematurely would only embolden the
terrorists and increase the danger to America." His administration now
says that U.S. troops will pull out of Iraq when the new provisional
authority asks. Then he said they'll stay "as long as needed" again.
Now he's saying that the Iraqis can ask the troops to leave, and they
will. Or is he?
The Bush administration officials said that the Geneva Conventions
don't apply to "enemy combatants." Now they claims they do.
Bush officials said before the Iraq invasion that Iraq posed an
"imminent threat" to U.S. security and that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction and even nuclear weapons; after the invasion, they denied
saying the word "imminent" and saying that Iraq had WMDs and nuclear
weapons, even though they were caught on tape making such statements.
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - George
W. Bush, Sept. 13, 2001
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea, and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush,
March 13, 2002
Are you getting tired of this? Well, some in the American military are
getting tired of this, too: "The (Bush) administration has an overly
simplistic view of how and when to use our military. By not bringing
in our friends and allies, they have created a mess in Iraq and are
crippling our forces around the world." -Retired Admiral William
Crowe, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Ronald Reagan
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
http://www.lp.org
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07 Aug 2004 04:33:41 PM |
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On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
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07 Aug 2004 04:45:51 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:33:41 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
Not anymore. Bush's latest round of lies is losing him valuable
'points'.
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07 Aug 2004 04:51:35 PM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:lkiah0p4nvs528pgtouj4bms8orutv5ffi@4ax.com:
On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
So? Bush/Kerry. Same ***** with different hair.
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07 Aug 2004 04:53:33 PM |
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"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
news:Xns953EAB7A8F0B2spamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17...
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:lkiah0p4nvs528pgtouj4bms8orutv5ffi@4ax.com:
On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
So? Bush/Kerry. Same ***** with different hair.
Bush is slightly worse than JFK2.
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07 Aug 2004 05:36:19 PM |
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"Cretin Needs" <cretinneeds@cretinneeds.str> wrote in news:2nl1fpF2104cU5
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"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
news:Xns953EAB7A8F0B2spamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17...
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:lkiah0p4nvs528pgtouj4bms8orutv5ffi@4ax.com:
On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
So? Bush/Kerry. Same ***** with different hair.
Bush is slightly worse than JFK2.
For all we know. He promises to stay in Iraq, and crack down at home.
Same as it ever was.
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| User: "VangOoderlang" |
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08 Aug 2004 12:26:00 AM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message news:<lkiah0p4nvs528pgtouj4bms8orutv5ffi@4ax.com>...
On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
No we should hold a write in campaine 'George Lucas for president', he
may not be a politition but I think he's smarter than the lot of them.
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08 Aug 2004 10:55:27 AM |
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"VangOoderlang" <sutekh.1@juno.com> wrote in message
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:<lkiah0p4nvs528pgtouj4bms8orutv5ffi@4ax.com>...
On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
No we should hold a write in campaine 'George Lucas for president', he
may not be a politition but I think he's smarter than the lot of them.
You haven't seen the most recent "Star Wars" movies, have you?
James
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| User: "Synchrodestinys Child" |
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08 Aug 2004 12:36:18 AM |
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(VangOoderlang) wrote in
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
No we should hold a write in campaine 'George Lucas for president', he
may not be a politition but I think he's smarter than the lot of them.
Too Jewish.
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10 Aug 2004 06:42:27 AM |
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Synchrodestiny's Child wrote:
sutekh.1@juno.com (VangOoderlang) wrote in
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On 7 Aug 2004 21:20:08 GMT, "Synchrodestiny's Child"
<master@mason.snuh> wrote:
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
A vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for Bush.
No we should hold a write in campaine 'George Lucas for president', he
may not be a politition but I think he's smarter than the lot of them.
Too Jewish.
Cultural Elitist, as well.
***** Nixon was no fan.
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There is a *reason* why people have been increasingly abandoning Usenet
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even considered it myself, & I'm a hardcore news-junkie. The levels of
personal, professional, & RL harassment people have been receiving in
rec.photo.* have been truly mind-boggling, & I'm astounded that nobody
has yet launched legal action against Google, the mail2news gateways or
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Synchrodestiny's Child wrote:
rstacey@runbox.com (Madelin McKinnon) wrote in
news:8916096a.0408071259.43325051@posting.google.com:
We need a decisive President who doesn't read children's books when
America is under attack, this flip-flopping George Bush is an
astounding flop.
Kerry admit's to 40 minutes of not being able to think when we were
attacked, on Larry Kings show. Principal of school (democrat) praises
president for his calmness and not freaking out like a lot of people
would have. I know a real leader would have jumped up and ran out of
the classroom to the principals office and established central command
through the PA system. We were in the middle of a crisis, you don't
react in a manner that might create more hysteria in people who are
looking for you to lead them. What on earth might he have been waiting
for for 7 minutes? Don't do it, don't think for yourself.
Bush was against campaign finance reform; now he's for it.
Pure speculation on your part. Read the White house briefings, he
never said he was going to veto it, and guess what he didn't.
Bush was against a Homeland Security Department; now he's for it.
I've looked and looked through similar postings from dem's saying this,
can't find any proof. Just statements saying he is.
Bush was against a 9/11 commission; now he's for it.
Not quite, try against a partisan commission particularly one with
members who were responsible for part of 9/11.
Bush was against an Iraq WMD investigation; now he's for it.
What??? What do you think your precious UN and us and the rest of the
world were doing? whatever...
Bush was against nation building; now he's for it.
Nice one, we should have just blown them all up, I agree.
Bush was against deficits; now he's for them.
Ironic Lib's against spending. Frustrates me too. You remember how the
economy went in the tank. Amazing how tax cuts and spending created a
boost in the economy, try to refute it the numbers don't lie.
Bush was for free trade; then he was for tariffs on steel, and now
he's against them again.
Ever here of the WTO, and threats of trade wars, please it's really not
that simple.
Bush was against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict; now he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Wherever do you get your info? Bush has and always is a supporter of
Israel and peace with them and Palestine. By the way Kerry is the first
Dem nominee since the establishment to not mention Israel in his inaug.
speech. Interesting?
Bush was for states' rights to decide on gay marriage; now he is for
changing the Constitution to outlaw gay marriage.
He's for both. If I have to explain it, he's against it like a lot of
the public, check out Mo.'s ballot.
Bush said he would provide money for first responders (fire, police,
emergency); then he doesn't.
Were either for more spending (bigger deficits) or were not, and of
course we have to find balance. He didn't give them any money? You
know better than that. It's hard to make all the people happy all the
time, Conservatives and Liberals are both upset at GW, for different
reasons. You have the most liberal spending GOP president and youre
still not happy.
Bush said that "help is on the way" to the military; then he cuts
their benefits and health care.
Actually the opposite is true. Facts people nothing but the facts.
Bush claimed to be in favor of environmental protection; then he
secretly approved oil drilling on Padre Island in Texas and other
places and took many more anti-environmental actions.
He's always been in favor of more domestic drilling, less dependency on
foreign oil.
Bush said he is the "education president;" then he refused to fully
fund key education programs and rarely does his homework, such as
read position papers so he will be more knowledgeable on issues.
He's increased funding to education by 34billion!!!!! in four years,
it's insane how much money we are putting into the education system and
it's not working. Homework, get specific. More than any other
president.
Bush said that him being governor of Texas for six years was enough
political experience to be president of the U.S.; then he criticized
Sen. John Edwards for not having enough experience after Edwards had
served six years in the U.S. Senate.
Kerry criticized Edwards much more in the Dem nomination campaigning
than Bush has, said the same thing and a lot more. Interesting how he
now has turned around and said the opposite, sounds familiar.
During the 2000 campaign, Bush said there were too many lawsuits
being filed; then during the Florida recount, he was the first to
file a lawsuit to stop the legal counting of votes after Gore took
advantage of Florida law to ask for a recount.
Perhaps, because of impropriety on the party of the Dems, and hmm the
Supreme court agreed. There was recount after recount and guess what
more recounts they all said the same thing Bush won.
On Nov. 7, 2000, the Bush campaign supported Florida county
officials drawing up new copies of some 10,000 spoiled absentee
votes in 26 Republican-leaning counties that the machines did not
read and marking them for the candidates when they showed clear
intent;" they opposed doing the same thing after Nov. 7 when Gore
asked for such recounts. Bush dominated absentee balloting in
Florida by a two-to-one margin.
Tell the whole story. This horse is dead.
Bush said during the 2000 campaign that he did not have a "litmus
test" for judges he appointed to be against abortion; then he mostly
appointed judges who were against abortion.
Some person, just like you, will hopefully be glad they weren't aborted.
In the early 1990s, Bush led a campaign to raise taxes in Arlington,
Texas, to build a new baseball stadium for the team he partly owned;
he later criticized politicians for supporting tax increases q after
he got rich by selling the team with the new stadium to a wealthy
campaign contributor.
Sounds like the fans wanted a new stadium. They got to vote didn't they.
Bush opposed the U.S. negotiating with North Korea; now he supports
it.
What has Powell been trying to do??????
Bush went to the racist and segregationist Bob Jones University in
South Carolina; then he said he shouldn't have.
He apologized if he offended anyone. Umm, show some facts about Bob
Jones U. Because he spoke to them doesn't mean anything, unless you
can show how he supports their activities. If he did support them this
would actually be a big deal.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to
sanction military action against Iraq; later Bush announced he would
not call for a vote.
The UN resolution did pass.
Bush first said the "mission accomplished" Iraqi banner was put up
by the sailors; he later admitted it was done by his advance team.
First I've heard, don't really see how this is special.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the
U.S.; after meeting with Mexican President Fox, he decided against
it.
Wait till he gets re-elected, since he won't be facing worries about
another term, he will be more likely to reform than a Dem. I like most
Americans am disappointed in both parties lack of emmigration reform
and border security. No one wants to touch this issue, it's a shame.
Bush was opposed to Rice testifying in front of the 9/11 commission
citing "separation of powers;" then he was for it.
I wouldn't say he was for it, he basically agreed to let her. He also
set a precedent by allowing her to do it. He didn't have to and most
people think he shouldn't have, opening further issues for future
administrations on both sides.
Bush was against Ba'ath party members holding office or government
jobs in Iraq; now he's for it.
It doesn't really matter if he did, Iraqi's have been able to choose
which way they want to go. I looked for something supporting your
claim, couldn't find it.
Bush said we must not appease terrorists; then he lifted trade
sanctions on admitted terrorist Mohammar Quaddafi and Pakistan,
which pardoned its official who sold nuclear secrets to Iran,
Libya, and North Korea.
They cooperated with our conditions, of which we don't know all the
details. Clinton gave away nuclear secrets to china, big difference.
Where are you on that one?
Bush said he would wait until after the Nov. election to ask for
more money for the war effort; then he decided he needed it before
the election, after all.
Wow, you are killing me here. This is retarded. Sorry he's not
spending on your socialist programs here, I know military is bad,
protecting us from terrorists is bad.
Bush said, "Leaving Iraq prematurely would only embolden the
terrorists and increase the danger to America." His administration
now says that U.S. troops will pull out of Iraq when the new
provisional authority asks. Then he said they'll stay "as long as
needed" again. Now he's saying that the Iraqis can ask the troops
to leave, and they will. Or is he?
I really don't have to explain this do I? He's saying the same thing,
"when they ask" and "when needed".
The Bush administration officials said that the Geneva Conventions
don't apply to "enemy combatants." Now they claims they do.
They don't apply to terrorists, the geneva convention clearly states
they have to wear a uniform signifying the army they belong to, not to
mention the other rules they have violated.
Why don't you ask Kerry about the Geneva Convention, he expressed
ignorance in his interview after the vietnam war. I don't believe it
for a second, the military does a great job of training, there is
literally a S.O.P. for everything. Trust me they cover the Geneva
convention especially for officers. And of course he admitted that he
is a war criminal.
Bush officials said before the Iraq invasion that Iraq posed an
"imminent threat" to U.S. security and that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction and even nuclear weapons; after the invasion, they
denied saying the word "imminent" and saying that Iraq had WMDs and
nuclear weapons, even though they were caught on tape making such
statements.
Interesting, the Press is the ones who actually coined the phrase. It
was on tape in response to questions phrased to them in that term.
Don't really see the point. We just like the rest of the world did see
him as an imminent threat.
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is
our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." -
George W. Bush, Sept. 13, 2001
We'll get him, of course I'm surprised you didn't post the date, since
Bush is holding him and waiting for election purposes.
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea, and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush,
March 13, 2002
??????? What context.
Are you getting tired of this? Well, some in the American military
are getting tired of this, too: "The (Bush) administration has an
overly simplistic view of how and when to use our military. By not
bringing in our friends and allies, they have created a mess in
Iraq and are crippling our forces around the world." -Retired
Admiral William Crowe, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under
Ronald Reagan
Whoo, I'm really tired of this post. When I first read it I thought
wow I should respond to this post. Most of these posts are easy to
debunk, some I had to do searches on the net. My point is at first I
thought this was a serious post and as I analyzed the points, as I hope
everyone who reads these will, it is easy to say something in a general
manner and have it look like something seriuos, but if there aren't the
facts to back it up, it is merely propaganda. By the way this author
is not the original to post this, it is merely copied from others and
obviously without care to research the facts. What does this say about
your party.
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
Yes. Vote Libertarian.
http://www.lp.org
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08 Aug 2004 10:12:05 AM |
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We need a decisive, President who doesn't read children's books when
America is under attack, this flip-flopping George Bush is an
astounding flop.
Bush was against campaign finance reform; now he's for it.
Bush was against a Homeland Security Department; now he's for it.
Bush was against a 9/11 commission; now he's for it.
Bush was against an Iraq WMD investigation; now he's for it.
Bush was against nation building; now he's for it.
Bush was against deficits; now he's for them.
Bush was for free trade; then he was for tariffs on steel, and now
he's against them again.
Bush was against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict; now he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Bush was for states' rights to decide on gay marriage; now he is for
changing the Constitution to outlaw gay marriage.
Bush said he would provide money for first responders (fire, police,
emergency); then he doesn't.
Bush said that "help is on the way" to the military; then he cuts
their benefits and health care.
Bush claimed to be in favor of environmental protection; then he
secretly approved oil drilling on Padre Island in Texas and other
places and took many more anti-environmental actions.
Bush said he is the "education president;" then he refused to fully
fund key education programs and rarely does his homework, such as read
position papers so he will be more knowledgeable on issues.
Bush said that him being governor of Texas for six years was enough
political experience to be president of the U.S.; then he criticized
Sen. John Edwards for not having enough experience after Edwards had
served six years in the U.S. Senate.
During the 2000 campaign, Bush said there were too many lawsuits being
filed; then during the Florida recount, he was the first to file a
lawsuit to stop the legal counting of votes after Gore took advantage
of Florida law to ask for a recount.
On Nov. 7, 2000, the Bush campaign supported Florida county officials
drawing up new copies of some 10,000 spoiled absentee votes in 26
Republican-leaning counties that the machines did not read and marking
them for the candidates when they showed "clear intent;" they opposed
doing the same thing after Nov. 7 when Gore asked for such recounts.
Bush dominated absentee balloting in Florida by a two-to-one margin.
Bush said during the 2000 campaign that he did not have a "litmus
test" for judges he appointed to be against abortion; then he mostly
appointed judges who were against abortion.
In the early 1990s, Bush led a campaign to raise taxes in Arlington,
Texas, to build a new baseball stadium for the team he partly owned;
he later criticized politicians for supporting tax increases ñ after
he got rich by selling the team with the new stadium to a wealthy
campaign contributor.
Bush opposed the U.S. negotiating with North Korea; now he supports
it.
Bush went to the racist and segregationist Bob Jones University in
South Carolina; then he said he shouldn't have.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to
sanction military action against Iraq; later Bush announced he would
not call for a vote.
Bush first said the "mission accomplished" Iraqi banner was put up by
the sailors; he later admitted it was done by his advance team.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the
U.S.; after meeting with Mexican President Fox, he decided against it.
Bush was opposed to Rice testifying in front of the 9/11 commission
citing "separation of powers;" then he was for it.
Bush was against Ba'ath party members holding office or government
jobs in Iraq; now he's for it.
Bush said we must not appease terrorists; then he lifted trade
sanctions on admitted terrorist Mohammar Quaddafi and Pakistan, which
pardoned its official who sold nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya, and
North Korea.
Bush said he would wait until after the Nov. election to ask for more
money for the war effort; then he decided he needed it before the
election, after all.
Bush said, "Leaving Iraq prematurely would only embolden the
terrorists and increase the danger to America." His administration now
says that U.S. troops will pull out of Iraq when the new provisional
authority asks. Then he said they'll stay "as long as needed" again.
Now he's saying that the Iraqis can ask the troops to leave, and they
will. Or is he?
The Bush administration officials said that the Geneva Conventions
don't apply to "enemy combatants." Now they claims they do.
Bush officials said before the Iraq invasion that Iraq posed an
"imminent threat" to U.S. security and that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction and even nuclear weapons; after the invasion, they denied
saying the word "imminent" and saying that Iraq had WMDs and nuclear
weapons, even though they were caught on tape making such statements.
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - George
W. Bush, Sept. 13, 2001
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea, and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority." - George W. Bush,
March 13, 2002
Are you getting tired of this? Well, some in the American military are
getting tired of this, too: "The (Bush) administration has an overly
simplistic view of how and when to use our military. By not bringing
in our friends and allies, they have created a mess in Iraq and are
crippling our forces around the world." -Retired Admiral William
Crowe, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Ronald Reagan
http://www.geocities.com/jacknichols123/johnjohn.htm
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08 Aug 2004 11:30:21 AM |
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(Madelin McKinnon) wrote in
news:8916096a.0408080712.59d7a73b@posting.google.com:
We need a decisive, President who doesn't read children's books when
America is under attack, this flip-flopping George Bush is an
astounding flop.
We need a President that at least possesses the ABILITY to read children's
books.
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BeDoper Portal - http://www.bedoper.com/portal
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=B1?=" |
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10 Aug 2004 02:00:01 AM |
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Bill Case wrote:
"±" <h0plibbb_oili@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4114CC93.370301E7@hotmail.com...
Gactimus wrote:
John Kerry is getting his comeuppance for his snotty comments about
President Bush's actions on 9/11.
Here's what the Massachusetts Democrat said July 8 when Larry King asked
where he was on 9/11, according to CNN's own transcript:
'Nobody Could Think'
"I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting - we'd just come into a
leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol.
And
as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we
watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly
thereafter
sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and
then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the
Pentagon.
And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we
were
to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation."
How appropriate that Kerry lumps himself in with fellow leftist
do-nothing
non-thinkers such as Boxer, Daschle and Reid.
Thanks to the several readers today who sent us this fascinating bit
from
Blog for Bush: "the second plane hit the World Trade Center at 9:03
a.m.,
and the plane hit the Pentagon at 9:43 a.m. By Kerry's own words, he and
his fellow senators sat there for forty minutes, realizing 'nobody could
think.'"
And here's what former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told the New
York
Post about Kerry's latest display of insolence:
"John Kerry must be frustrated in his campaign if he is
armchair-quarterbacking based on cues from Michael Moore.
"John Kerry is an indecisive candidate [with] an inconsistent position
on
the War on Terror, who voted against funding for our troops and who
cannot
give a clear answer on his position concerning the decision to remove
Saddam Hussein."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/6/92357.shtml
http://www3.cjad.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/canadianpress/worldnews/w08069A.htm
Bush insists his administration seeking 'new ways to harm our country'
WASHINGTON (AP) - President George W. Bush offered up a new entry for
his catalogue of "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his
administration will "never stop thinking about new ways to harm our
country and our people."
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
people, and neither do we."
No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.
No, they've learned to tune him out and pay attention to what Cheney wants.
Money.
Lots and lots of it.
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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy
Subject: Re: [Request for comments] Proposed methods for minimising
abuse from anonymous gateways.
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 02:03:25 +0000 (UTC)
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There is a *reason* why people have been increasingly abandoning Usenet
for web-fora, et al, & this sort of crap is a major part of it. I've
even considered it myself, & I'm a hardcore news-junkie. The levels of
personal, professional, & RL harassment people have been receiving in
rec.photo.* have been truly mind-boggling, & I'm astounded that nobody
has yet launched legal action against Google, the mail2news gateways or
their peers.
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| User: "" |
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08 Aug 2004 07:17:32 AM |
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Madelin McKinnon wrote:
[..]
Bush was against nation building; now he's for it.
[..]
anyone else remember this issue in the gore/bush debate(s)? Bush said he
wouldn't enforce his values on anyone else. like the iraqi's are really
going to write their own constition, that's a good one. Popular elections
in iraq would lead to... maybe the taliban? I dunno for sure, but if
that's the case there certainly won't elections.
Thufir Hawat
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| User: "Rick" |
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08 Aug 2004 07:40:16 AM |
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<thufir.hawat@mail.com> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0408080510100.4108@F0106000nr6n02427.ip.funjpnoyr.arg...
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Madelin McKinnon wrote:
[..]
Bush was against nation building; now he's for it.
[..]
anyone else remember this issue in the gore/bush debate(s)? Bush said he
wouldn't enforce his values on anyone else. like the iraqi's are really
going to write their own constition, that's a good one. Popular elections
in iraq would lead to... maybe the taliban? I dunno for sure, but if
that's the case there certainly won't elections.
It's a 3-step process:
1. Send Mr. Bush back to Texas.
2. Reestablish relationships and trust with our allies and the UN.
3. Help implement a multilateral, UN guided governance and
reconstruction program in Iraq.
As long as the U.S. and Britain are unilaterally involved (or even
perceived to be unilaterally involved) in Iraq, the new government
doesn't stand a chance of being accepted by the Iraqi people.
We're invaders in their country, not liberators. So it's critical that
the effort be made a world-wide one, by inclusion of both our
allies and the UN. If an Iraqi insurgent kills a U.S. soldier, he's
fighting the enemy. If he kills a UN peacekeeper, he's fighting
the world.
This battle for perception is just one reason why bin Laden has
apparently endorsed George W. Bush over John Kerry in
November's election:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=6608
Muslim distrust of and anger towards the West have skyrocketed
since our invasion, which is exactly what al-Qaeda wants.
Rick
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