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"David W. Barnes" |
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02 Nov 2006 10:43:59 PM |
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I always knew this guy was gay. |
What is it about the Right Wing that makes them such hypocrites?
<http://tinyurl.com/vowqv>
Here is another one that will come out of the closet one day:
<http://tinyurl.com/bn5qx>
This one, too:
<http://tinyurl.com/yc33dg>
:-)
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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03 Nov 2006 12:17:37 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
What is it about the Right Wing that makes them such hypocrites?
<http://tinyurl.com/vowqv>
Here is another one that will come out of the closet one day:
<http://tinyurl.com/bn5qx>
This one, too:
<http://tinyurl.com/yc33dg>
:-)
What do you have against Gays?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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03 Nov 2006 10:03:32 AM |
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In article <5aB2h.12557$ee4.2272@trndny06>, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
What is it about the Right Wing that makes them such hypocrites?
<http://tinyurl.com/vowqv>
Here is another one that will come out of the closet one day:
<http://tinyurl.com/bn5qx>
This one, too:
<http://tinyurl.com/yc33dg>
:-)
What do you have against Gays?
Nothing. I just don't like hypocrites.
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| User: "lein" |
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04 Nov 2006 03:37:30 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5aB2h.12557$ee4.2272@trndny06>, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
What is it about the Right Wing that makes them such hypocrites?
<http://tinyurl.com/vowqv>
Here is another one that will come out of the closet one day:
<http://tinyurl.com/bn5qx>
This one, too:
<http://tinyurl.com/yc33dg>
:-)
What do you have against Gays?
Nothing. I just don't like hypocrites.
what did he do that was hypocritical?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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04 Nov 2006 03:56:15 PM |
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In article <1162676249.976945.197420@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
lein <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5aB2h.12557$ee4.2272@trndny06>, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
What is it about the Right Wing that makes them such hypocrites?
<http://tinyurl.com/vowqv>
Here is another one that will come out of the closet one day:
<http://tinyurl.com/bn5qx>
This one, too:
<http://tinyurl.com/yc33dg>
:-)
What do you have against Gays?
Nothing. I just don't like hypocrites.
what did he do that was hypocritical?
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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04 Nov 2006 10:47:18 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
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05 Nov 2006 05:05:51 AM |
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On 4-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
Are you trying to prove that ALL Republicans are racists,
instead of just the Right Wing whackos?
Susan
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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06 Nov 2006 12:18:27 PM |
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wrote:
On 4-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
Are you trying to prove that ALL Republicans are racists,
instead of just the Right Wing whackos?
Just rattlin' the cage to see what's in there.
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06 Nov 2006 12:39:39 PM |
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On 6-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
laviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 4-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
Are you trying to prove that ALL Republicans are racists,
instead of just the Right Wing whackos?
Just rattlin' the cage to see what's in there.
If you behaved instead of rattling your cage,
someone might deem it safe to let you out.
Susan
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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06 Nov 2006 12:57:04 PM |
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wrote:
On 6-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
laviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 4-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug
user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
Are you trying to prove that ALL Republicans are racists,
instead of just the Right Wing whackos?
Just rattlin' the cage to see what's in there.
If you behaved instead of rattling your cage,
someone might deem it safe to let you out.
Ah, re-read for comprehension.
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| User: "" |
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07 Nov 2006 03:39:09 PM |
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On 6-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 6-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
laviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 4-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug
user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
Are you trying to prove that ALL Republicans are racists,
instead of just the Right Wing whackos?
Just rattlin' the cage to see what's in there.
If you behaved instead of rattling your cage,
someone might deem it safe to let you out.
Ah, re-read for comprehension.
Be my guest.
(Big Hint: I know what you were trying to say.
Unfortunately, you left in a loophole.)
But, just so you know, hating hate is a virtue.
Susan
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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07 Nov 2006 03:50:52 PM |
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wrote:
On 6-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
wrote:
On 6-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net>
wrote:
laviaR@verizon.net wrote:
On 4-Nov-2006, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has
condemned homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a
gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy
seeing someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he
is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
Are you trying to prove that ALL Republicans are racists,
instead of just the Right Wing whackos?
Just rattlin' the cage to see what's in there.
If you behaved instead of rattling your cage,
someone might deem it safe to let you out.
Ah, re-read for comprehension.
Be my guest.
(Big Hint: I know what you were trying to say.
Unfortunately, you left in a loophole.)
Not in any normal use of the language.
But, just so you know, hating hate is a virtue.
Hate is never a virtue.
Susan
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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07 Nov 2006 04:02:23 PM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
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Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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07 Nov 2006 04:12:02 PM |
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"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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08 Nov 2006 04:24:11 AM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
Why do you propose that hatred is not a virtue - that is not a character
trait valued as being good?
Why is hatred demonized as being bad?
The NT claims the opposite of love is fear ... not hatred.
Interesting viewpoint I suppose.
Our society has judged anger to be evil - another interesting point of view
- one I do not share.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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08 Nov 2006 04:40:03 AM |
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"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
Why do you propose that hatred is not a virtue - that is not a
character trait valued as being good?
Why is hatred demonized as being bad?
It is self destructive.
The NT claims the opposite of love is fear ... not hatred.
Interesting viewpoint I suppose.
The opposite of fear is trust.
The opposite of love is indifference.
The NT is a religious tract.
Our society has judged anger to be evil - another interesting point of
view - one I do not share.
Anger is foolish.
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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08 Nov 2006 05:59:27 AM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
Why do you propose that hatred is not a virtue - that is not a
character trait valued as being good?
Why is hatred demonized as being bad?
It is self destructive.
The NT claims the opposite of love is fear ... not hatred.
Interesting viewpoint I suppose.
The opposite of fear is trust.
The opposite of love is indifference.
The NT is a religious tract.
Our society has judged anger to be evil - another interesting point of
view - one I do not share.
Anger is foolish.
Hardly - it is an important evolutionary survival tool - otherwise we would
not have it.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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08 Nov 2006 08:28:53 AM |
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"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
Why do you propose that hatred is not a virtue - that is not a
character trait valued as being good?
Why is hatred demonized as being bad?
It is self destructive.
The NT claims the opposite of love is fear ... not hatred.
Interesting viewpoint I suppose.
The opposite of fear is trust.
The opposite of love is indifference.
The NT is a religious tract.
Our society has judged anger to be evil - another interesting point
of view - one I do not share.
Anger is foolish.
Hardly - it is an important evolutionary survival tool - otherwise we
would not have it.
We have a lot of tools. Some of them have no real value whatsoever,
others have a negative value. Anger is a negative tool. Our folk wisdom
recognizes that: "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold."
We have an appendix, a negative organ.
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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08 Nov 2006 03:08:36 PM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
Why do you propose that hatred is not a virtue - that is not a
character trait valued as being good?
Why is hatred demonized as being bad?
It is self destructive.
The NT claims the opposite of love is fear ... not hatred.
Interesting viewpoint I suppose.
The opposite of fear is trust.
The opposite of love is indifference.
The NT is a religious tract.
Our society has judged anger to be evil - another interesting point
of view - one I do not share.
Anger is foolish.
Hardly - it is an important evolutionary survival tool - otherwise we
would not have it.
We have a lot of tools. Some of them have no real value whatsoever,
others have a negative value. Anger is a negative tool. Our folk wisdom
recognizes that: "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold."
We have an appendix, a negative organ.
No way - the appendix is useful. Look at the statistics, This is why the old
idea you are presenting (remove the appendix whenever you can) is not the
acceptable medical procedure today. It USED to be ...
You have made an assertion that anger is "bad" and all you have said is
"anger is bad" and you justify it in that "anger is bad."
In actual facts anger is neither bad nor good - it IS.
What you do with it is good or bad. People who use anger as a defence or as
their method of attack are misusing this emotion - and when you ABUSE this
emotion, then the outcome is as you say. However this is as far from saying
anger is bad.
Anger allows us to get upset when the used car salesman sells you a lemon
and gets you to get off your arse to get some justice.
Anger allows us to fight and fighting can be important and necessary part of
life.
In actual fact, suppression of anger is more destructive than anger - again
look at the literature.
What people forget is that in the latest medical model - every thought is a
mixture of both logic and emotions - and the key emotions are the primitive
ides of want and frustration. Anger is a reflection of the frustration
primitive emotion which is half the way the brain trains itself - and
program's itself.
If you do not understand who you are and what drives you ... if you demonize
part of your emotional make up and seek to destroy, it does you harm.
Oh I like love - and I like compassion and I like the things which encourage
co-operation - and live those. But this does not mean I suppress anger.
If you suppress anger - you get "the illusion and words of love" ... in a
very violent society.
Which, alas describes too many nations and people in this world.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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08 Nov 2006 03:17:44 PM |
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"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net>
wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
Why do you propose that hatred is not a virtue - that is not a
character trait valued as being good?
Why is hatred demonized as being bad?
It is self destructive.
The NT claims the opposite of love is fear ... not hatred.
Interesting viewpoint I suppose.
The opposite of fear is trust.
The opposite of love is indifference.
The NT is a religious tract.
Our society has judged anger to be evil - another interesting
point of view - one I do not share.
Anger is foolish.
Hardly - it is an important evolutionary survival tool - otherwise
we would not have it.
We have a lot of tools. Some of them have no real value whatsoever,
others have a negative value. Anger is a negative tool. Our folk
wisdom recognizes that: "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold."
We have an appendix, a negative organ.
No way - the appendix is useful. Look at the statistics, This is why
the old idea you are presenting (remove the appendix whenever you can)
is not the acceptable medical procedure today. It USED to be ...
You have made an assertion that anger is "bad" and all you have said
is "anger is bad" and you justify it in that "anger is bad."
In actual facts anger is neither bad nor good - it IS.
What you do with it is good or bad. People who use anger as a defence
or as their method of attack are misusing this emotion - and when you
ABUSE this emotion, then the outcome is as you say. However this is as
far from saying anger is bad.
The emotion is always abused. Anger acted on immediately is damaging.
Anger acted on after reflection is not longer anger.
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07 Nov 2006 03:31:13 PM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.politics.homosexuality.]
On 2006-11-07, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
But... It's a virtue to hate people who think hate is a virtue!
--
"Do you mix the queer friends with the straight friends?" -- Lurlean
Tucker seems to have information about Matt LeBlanc and Lisa Kudrow
which the general public doesn't.
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08 Nov 2006 11:03:33 AM |
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On 7-Nov-2006, curtsybear <curtsybear@curtsybear.com> wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.politics.homosexuality.]
On 2006-11-07, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
But... It's a virtue to hate people who think hate is a virtue!
Only to those who want to reserve hate for the wrong objects.
Susan
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| User: "Mordecai! mldavisplease dont" |
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08 Nov 2006 03:37:11 PM |
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On 7-Nov-2006, curtsybear <curtsybear@curtsybear.com> wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.politics.homosexuality.]
On 2006-11-07, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
A virtue is a character trait valued as being good.
But... It's a virtue to hate people who think hate is a virtue!
Only to those who want to reserve hate for the wrong objects.
Susan
I do not know what deserves hatred ...
At this stage - Lobby is expressing a very common cultural idea which was
ALSO taught to me - anger is always bad.
It is an idea set in my culture.
And as such, it was an idea taught to me and an idea I accepted ...
I listened to him and asked the question - more of myself "is anger really
always bad?" and sat and thought.
I THINK at this early stage that anger is not bad in itself. I have a lot
to think about because when you change your assumptions, you have to change
everything you build on those assumptions and that is a very long term job.
Before I blithely change my entire thinking pattern, I need to be very sure
the effort is worth while.
IF I change my thinking pattern, I will have to decide when anger is
acceptable. And to what - and why ... but that is in the future.
Right now I am just questioning the assumption OTHERS taught me - and ask
if anger is really "bad" and that is all I am doing.
If I find out what I accepted was wrong - I will change.
At least I am aware suppression of anger is a negative trait - and many
others do not even have this as a starting point.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
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08 Nov 2006 06:23:56 PM |
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"Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
Right now I am just questioning the assumption OTHERS taught me - and ask
if anger is really "bad" and that is all I am doing.
If I find out what I accepted was wrong - I will change.
At least I am aware suppression of anger is a negative trait - and many
others do not even have this as a starting point.
But you are not thinking of anger as we think of it today. You are thinking
of a Fight or Flight reaction and supression of that is bad due to the real
physical and emotional damage which results. Think of all that unused
adrenalin.
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08 Nov 2006 04:01:51 PM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.politics.homosexuality.]
On 2006-11-08, Mordecai! <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
At this stage - Lobby is expressing a very common cultural idea which was
ALSO taught to me - anger is always bad.
It is an idea set in my culture.
And as such, it was an idea taught to me and an idea I accepted ...
I listened to him and asked the question - more of myself "is anger really
always bad?" and sat and thought.
I THINK at this early stage that anger is not bad in itself. I have a lot
to think about because when you change your assumptions, you have to change
everything you build on those assumptions and that is a very long term job.
Assuming that anger exists as one of your emotions, there's plenty
of people who would suggest that if you view your own natural
reactions -- anger included -- as "bad" then you are damaging
yourself. But, certainly, people can go to extremes.
One extreme might be someone who has a LOT of anger. Some of these
rageaholics need anger management assistance because they do not
socially edit their tyrranical expressiveness. Some rageaholics
my be doing themselves damage by bottling it all in and driving
their tensions and anxieties high.
There's another end of that spectrum as well. There are people who
have too little anger. Taken to the extreme, you can get to the
point of antisocial interaction where you don't care about anything
or anyone -- the psychopath.
Socially, the concept that anger is "bad" leads to denigration of
the rageaholic. Likewise, we are socially conditioned to view
absolute detachment as a psychopathic condition associated only
with serial killers and such. So anger is "bad" and no anger is
equally "bad". Then we have the psychological condition where
bottled-up anger is nonexpressive and self-destructive.
Now let us look another way -- is there anything healthy about
anger? Personally, I think this is like saying "is there anything
healthy about pain?" Sure, pain indicates a situation which isn't
the epitome of health, but, without pain, how would we know when
things are out of sorts? So, anger may just be the healthy emotional
response to a situation which requires remedy. That's not "bad".
Certainly it happens surrounding a situation which is "bad", and
can be expressed antisocially to manipulate others or can be ignored
to your own detriment, but that doesn't mean that anger OF ITSELF
is "bad".
The upshot? Perhaps anger isn't "good" or "bad" at all, but how
we utilize that part of our emotional makeup presents us with "good"
or "bad" activities.
--
FROM THE VELVETEEN RABBIT By Margery Williams
"What is Real, " asked the rabbit one day. "Does it mean having things
that buzz inside you and a stick-out handle?" "Real isn't how you are
made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you. When a
child loves you for a long long time, not just to play with, but REALLY
loves you, then you become REAL." "Does it hurt?" asked the Rabbit.
"Sometimes," said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful.
"When you are REAL, you don't mind being hurt"
"Does it happen all at once, like being wound up?" he asked, "Or bit by
bit?"
"It doesn't happen all at once," said the Skin Horse. "You become. It
takes a long time. That's why it doesn't often happen to people who
break easily, or who have sharp edges, or have to be carefully kept. By
the time you are REAL, most of your hair has been loved off and your
eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints, and very shabby, but
these things don't matter at all, because once you are REAL you can't be
ugly, except to people who don't understand."
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08 Nov 2006 10:58:09 AM |
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On 7-Nov-2006, "Mordecai!" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net>
wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Hate is never a virtue.
why?
Because the side he follows engenders it,
even if he doesn't want to, himself.
Susan
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04 Nov 2006 10:48:34 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:47:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
In the case of his church yes -- largely it is.
Haggard has now been dismissed by his Overseers because of his sexual
indiscretions.
This is not a Legal Case, and don't try to make it one. The church
its own holy and righteous self dismissed him as the senior pastor.
There is something to be said for such comeuppance.
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05 Nov 2006 12:07:42 AM |
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Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:47:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
In the case of his church yes -- largely it is.
Haggard has now been dismissed by his Overseers because of his sexual
indiscretions.
This is not a Legal Case,
and don't try to make it one.
Saay Whaat?
The church
its own holy and righteous self dismissed him as the senior pastor.
There is something to be said for such comeuppance.
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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05 Nov 2006 09:44:17 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 06:07:42 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
Haggard has now been dismissed by his Overseers because of his sexual
indiscretions.
This is not a Legal Case,
and don't try to make it one.
Saay Whaat?
Previously there was a discussion around the amUsenet of whether or
not he'd actually been found Guilty of something.
He has.
Just not breaking a secular statute. He was found guilty of his own
church's rules.
That is not a Legal Case.
Does that help clear it up for you?
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| User: "lein" |
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04 Nov 2006 10:52:31 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:47:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
In the case of his church yes -- largely it is.
Haggard has now been dismissed by his Overseers because of his sexual
indiscretions.
This is not a Legal Case, and don't try to make it one. The church
its own holy and righteous self dismissed him as the senior pastor.
There is something to be said for such comeuppance.
So why are the "D"s so obsessed with sex?
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| User: "" |
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05 Nov 2006 05:07:12 AM |
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On 4-Nov-2006, "lein" <boomer_the_cat@my-deja.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:47:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
Like most in the Christian Right, Rev. Ted Haggard has condemned
homosexuality and drugs, and now turns out to be a gay drug user.
Most in the Christian Right are hypocrites. I just enjoy seeing
someone of this notoriety being exposed for what he is.
Well, that's mighty white of you!
In the case of his church yes -- largely it is.
Haggard has now been dismissed by his Overseers because of his sexual
indiscretions.
This is not a Legal Case, and don't try to make it one. The church
its own holy and righteous self dismissed him as the senior pastor.
There is something to be said for such comeuppance.
So why are the "D"s so obsessed with sex?
Even if this were so, it could only be because we are taking a page
from the RRR's book. It is they who are obssessed with sex:
obssessed with others having it when they don't approve, and in
ways in which they don't approve, and all to find out that they
really DO approve - when it's THEM doing it.
Susan
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