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"Elliot Jordan" |
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14 Oct 2004 03:03:03 PM |
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I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
15 Oct 2004 05:52:27 AM |
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"Elliot Jordan" <thetimetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015,
Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the
United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe.
Time traveler from the future? Heck, you're four years behind
the times!
Here's this exact same story from the year 2000:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/john_titor_ats_project.html
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| User: "EA" |
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15 Oct 2004 05:22:22 PM |
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"Elliot Jordan" <thetimetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0a62e5c.0410141203.4bf56fa7@posting.google.com...
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together
The [original] Civil War was a result of secession, not a cause.
The will to "hold the country together" is what led DIRECTLY to
the war. So he wouldnt really be like Lincoln.
but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
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| User: "Yem Face" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
22 Oct 2004 08:19:14 AM |
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yeah and you know like what the hell? i wanted this but like I
couldn't you know...make it/
why are now always happening then? and who told her about that time?
i'm getting sick of this now thought, why can't it be here always and
there sometimes?
you think?
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| User: "Grace Noble" |
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14 Oct 2004 05:36:54 PM |
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"Elliot Jordan" <thetimetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0a62e5c.0410141203.4bf56fa7@posting.google.com...
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005.
*snippage*
You are proof that the tin foil hats don't really work.
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| User: "MaeAngel" |
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14 Oct 2004 05:59:54 PM |
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Grace Noble wrote:
"Elliot Jordan" <thetimetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0a62e5c.0410141203.4bf56fa7@posting.google.com...
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005.
*snippage*
You are proof that the tin foil hats don't really work.
I think he has a sunroof in his tin foil hat.
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| User: "Ian" |
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22 Oct 2004 09:32:45 AM |
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(Elliot Jordan) wrote in message news:<b0a62e5c.0410141203.4bf56fa7@posting.google.com>...
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
You don't know whether the leader in 2009 is male or female? I thought
you were from the future?
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
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| User: "Truth" |
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25 Oct 2004 07:40:27 PM |
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You don't know whether the leader in 2009 is male or female?
You can jump into the future and find out, but you can not go back in time, so you would just be fucked out of all that
time you lost.
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| User: "Art Vandelay" |
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22 Oct 2004 09:40:31 AM |
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Ian wrote:
thetimetraveler@hotmail.com (Elliot Jordan) wrote in message news:<b0a62e5c.0410141203.4bf56fa7@posting.google.com>...
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
You don't know whether the leader in 2009 is male or female? I thought
you were from the future?
America will have an all-shemale administration from 2008-2016.
--
jeff
"if this kind of thing is allowed to go on, this is not a society; This
is anarchy!" -- George Costanza
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| User: "Ian" |
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22 Oct 2004 04:08:50 PM |
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Art Vandelay <Vandelay.Industries.Inc@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<2tskhaF23j221U2@uni-berlin.de>...
Ian wrote:
thetimetraveler@hotmail.com (Elliot Jordan) wrote in message news:<b0a62e5c.0410141203.4bf56fa7@posting.google.com>...
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
You don't know whether the leader in 2009 is male or female? I thought
you were from the future?
America will have an all-shemale administration from 2008-2016.
Don't get me started on gigagalleries.
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| User: "Alfred Einstead" |
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30 Oct 2004 06:39:57 PM |
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(Elliot Jordan) wrote:
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. [etc]
That's not foresight. THIS is foresight...
From news://talk.politics.misc; October 30, 2004
Re: What Happens if Bush Wins?
Roedy Green <look-on@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
On the bright side, if Bush wins, it will be the end of the USA as a
superpower. [...]
.... thereby clearing the way for one [...]
.... who has been laying quietly in wait all these years...
Covert messages found throughout the USENET from the same person
or group...
From aus.politics; March 25, 2003:
Picture of towering statue of Saddam [...]
about to start collapsing to the ground [...]
If I wanted to conquer the world, my biggest obstacle (and enemy) would
be the United States. So, the first thing I'd want to do is manipulate
the situation so as to turn as much of the world as possible against it.
From milw.general; November 2, 2000:
The Gore victory at the last minnute is upset by the sudden and
unexpected appearance of Darth Nader.
[...]
Now, we have a REAL big problem. Seems nobody's getting elected.
So where do we go from here?
From sci.misc; December 20, 1990:
The world population will gradually fall into two emerging camps [...]
conflict between the two camps -- a conflict whose intensity
will approach dangerous levels near 2000.
The economic and political systems may be swept in this sudden current of
change. When the political structure of the globe begins to transform,
the chances of catastrophe will peak.
From sci.skeptic; November 13, 1991:
California will go bust by the end of the decade.
From soc.singles; January 13, 1993:
No matter how bad things are, take heart, it could be worse:
you could be in California.
From sci.skeptic; November 13, 1991:
Through a progressive series of restrictions, cigarette smoking will
eventually become outlawed.
Japan will go bust in ten years.
The Soviet Union will break up.
From sci.math; March 17, 1995:
*I* am the Anti-Christ! I Have Come Here To Chew Bubble Gum
And Destroy The World -- And I'M ALLLLLLLL Out Of Bubble Gum!!!
From June 14, 2004: sci.physics
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Kirk Gregory Czuhai wrote:
I have built a time machine believe it or not and...
Pistons or Lakers?
Who will be US President on 05 November 2004?
It will rain on the celebration in Detroit, and both the
Republican and Democrat candidates in 2008 will be women,
after Bush's 2nd term expires.
No, the *real* trick is, if he builds a time machine, to prove
it by going back into the past and planting messages on the USENET
in out-of-the-way places making reference to things that postdate
the message, but predate the present.
It has to be in out-of-the-way places, and preferrably close to
the time in reference, so that it can't affect the outcome.
From July 12, 2004:
sci.astro, sci.astro.amateur, sci.archaeology, sci.physics,
sci.skeptic
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Kerry & Edwards are going down in FLAMES this November 2nd.
Bush-Cheney win in a LANDSLIDE victory. The slimy liberals
finally committed political suicide.
Actually, they will win by a landslide. But the developed
world is already in the midsts of a massive pendulum shift
toward the liberal end of the spectrum --- the counterpart
of the shift toward the right that began in Scandinavia in
the 1970's. In the US it will first show up in 2006. But
not along party lines; along another fault line, that will
make itself increasingly felt over time.
From talk.rumors: November 13, 1991:
Women will take over the planet by 2020, enslaving the male
population.
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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14 Oct 2004 06:01:36 PM |
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The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
Well, there isn't much "2004" left so that civil war had better get brewing
fast. Tell me, what are the sides? North versus south? Red states versus
blue? Rednecks versus Yuppies? I need to know so I can start stockpiling
appropriately. . .
Thank you, very entertaining.
Raptor514
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| User: "Truth" |
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15 Oct 2004 02:37:33 PM |
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There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005.
It's called WORLD war 3 and it already started.
That conflict flares up and down for 10 years.
Longer than that!
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004.
Guess not in this world it doesn't.
I would
describe it as having a Waco type event
You mean the US government gassing and killing it's own people again?
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and
Make another Federal Income Tax? Thanks Lincoln. What you started
ended up giving us the Federal Income Tax in 1913 and the IRS.
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| User: "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" |
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15 Oct 2004 04:04:13 PM |
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time travel was not possible that long ago
and frankly time travel as so naively described is ludricous
what you would call a time traveller
would view the experience from such a different context
that they would not call it time travelling
arf meow arf
blustering loudly
oaths occur daily yelling
how elder lads learn
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| User: "Truth" |
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15 Oct 2004 07:39:37 PM |
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time travel was not possible that long ago
If it was ever possible in the future, then we would have already seen
them in the past.
No time traveler has ever traveled into our past, thus it will never be
possible in the future.
That is, not possible to go BACK in time. It IS possible to go
forward in time.
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| User: "EA" |
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15 Oct 2004 08:22:00 PM |
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"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:41706DDF.5B2467CE@sucks.com...
time travel was not possible that long ago
If it was ever possible in the future, then we would have already seen
them in the past.
But how would you know if they had or not??
I love this subject but check this out, people think of say,
travelling back and stopping horriffic events. Well, on the
flipside what if people (cosidering who would be owning/
controlling/funding time travel) HAD come back and changed
things the other way around, maybe initially, ww2 didnt happen
or jfk not wacked, or whatever. Maybe originally many events
didnt happen. Maybe someone cured cancer then in the future
someone came back and took out those most responsible.
That would be a trip.
Regardless - we would never know, because of the butterfly
effect, everything that we observe as occuring can never
be changed, because the person who changed it will now
never have a reason to come back and change it, cuz it didnt happen!
No time traveler has ever traveled into our past, thus it will never be
possible in the future.
That is, not possible to go BACK in time. It IS possible to go
forward in time.
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| User: "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" |
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15 Oct 2004 09:09:10 PM |
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Regardless - we would never know, because of the butterfly
effect, everything that we observe as occuring can never
be changed, because the person who changed it will now
never have a reason to come back and change it, cuz it didnt happen!
thats why time travel as you would call does not happen
rather you always remain in your now
its just that from other peoples perspective your now
might contain their will-be or then
but these are relative differences based on different perspectives
none of them is -the- correct perspective or history
from which all else is a distortion
it is when things are far away temporally or spatially
that they become simple consolidated objects
but when viewed up close they become complex superimposed objects
of varying probabilities
arf meow arf
blustering loudly
oaths occur daily yelling
how elder lads learn
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| User: "Truth" |
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15 Oct 2004 08:52:24 PM |
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If it was ever possible in the future, then we would have already seen
them in the past.
But how would you know if they had or not??
Because I know that time is different for everyone, and thinking you could,
for example, go back in time to, say a birthday party 20 years ago, if YOU
went back exactly 20 years, the people that were at that party wouldn't even
be there because time for each person is not the same. You can't go back
to a specific time and location or event in the past, because time doesn't
work that way.
You can go forward in time faster, but you can't go back in time at all.
That's just a fact, and if it ever WAS possible in the future, we WOULD have
known about it today in their past. Surely a few accidents would have
taken place during experimentation, and those accidents would be in our
recorded history. Then you have criminals and evil people that would
surely have been obvious time travelers!
You forget that in ALL OF TIME no matter how far to the future's END you go,
someone would have come back to your past and done some criminal act or
bragged about being from the future. Some terrorist would have taken over
a time machine, in fact an infinite amount would have since we are talking
about ALL time in the future infinitely.
So there you have it. Time travel into the past is not possible, and that
is now a proven fact.
I love this subject but check this out, people think of say,
travelling back and stopping horriffic events.
The time back to a specific event is not the same for everyone, or
everything. Thus, a certain time back for you, is not the same time for
the tree or other people that were at that event.
Here is something else really quick and simple. Scientists are stupid and
say that nothing or no one can travel faster than the speed of light.
Since speed is dependent on TIME, and even these idiot scientists agree that
TIME is different to everything and everyone depending on who is observing
it, then the speed of light has no definite speed and to say nothing can go
faster is just ridiculous. Depending on the observer, a turtle can crawl
faster than the speed of light depending on what the reference points are.
And how the hell would you be able to have a time machine know what 20 years
back is, since time is not a constant?
Well, on the
flipside what if people (cosidering who would be owning/
controlling/funding time travel) HAD come back and changed
things the other way around, maybe initially, ww2 didnt happen
or jfk not wacked, or whatever. Maybe originally many events
didnt happen. Maybe someone cured cancer then in the future
someone came back and took out those most responsible.
That would be a trip.
Read what I wrote above and you will see how all of this is nonsense, I just
showed you how time travel backwards is not possible.
The idea that one or two people could change the outcome of a war is also
ridiculous.
If you went back in time to WW2 to Germany while Hitler was in power, and
told every German citizen you could find that their president was murdering
millions of people in giant ovens, they would laugh at you and call you a
conspiracy nut. Much in the same way people are calling me names for
telling you what Bush has been doing that you idiots think is all wacky
conspiracy stuff.
Of course no one is going to believe that the leader of their country is
murdering millions of people by burning them in giant ovens, that is too far
fetched to be believed, right?
If it didn't happen, you wouldn't believe it.
Eventually in the future, every American will know that Bush was responsible
for the 9/11 attacks and actually took down the WTC himself, and had a
missile shot at the Pentagon.
WAIT!! Just as you find that ridiculous now, so too would Germans if you
told them what Hitler did BEFORE it was common knowledge!
Regardless - we would never know,
I know.
I know the universe had no beginning, the big bang theory is *****, there
is no god, what else do you want to know?
No time traveler has ever traveled into our past, thus it will never be
possible in the future.
That is, not possible to go BACK in time. It IS possible to go
forward in time.
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| User: "EA" |
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15 Oct 2004 10:30:53 PM |
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"Truth" <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:41707EEE.6C794786@sucks.com...
If it was ever possible in the future, then we would have already seen
them in the past.
But how would you know if they had or not??
Because I know that time is different for everyone, and thinking you
could,
for example, go back in time to, say a birthday party 20 years ago, if YOU
went back exactly 20 years, the people that were at that party wouldn't
even
be there because time for each person is not the same. You can't go
back
to a specific time and location or event in the past, because time doesn't
work that way.
You can go forward in time faster, but you can't go back in time at all.
That's just a fact, and if it ever WAS possible in the future, we WOULD
have
known about it today in their past. Surely a few accidents would have
taken place during experimentation, and those accidents would be in our
recorded history. Then you have criminals and evil people that would
surely have been obvious time travelers!
You forget that in ALL OF TIME no matter how far to the future's END you
go,
someone would have come back to your past and done some criminal act or
bragged about being from the future. Some terrorist would have taken
over
a time machine, in fact an infinite amount would have since we are talking
about ALL time in the future infinitely.
So there you have it. Time travel into the past is not possible, and
that
is now a proven fact.
Yeah, I was just talking about it in terms of the common notions of time
travel not in realistic terms so chill.
I love this subject but check this out, people think of say,
travelling back and stopping horriffic events.
The time back to a specific event is not the same for everyone, or
everything. Thus, a certain time back for you, is not the same time for
the tree or other people that were at that event.
Here is something else really quick and simple. Scientists are stupid
and
say that nothing or no one can travel faster than the speed of light.
Since speed is dependent on TIME, and even these idiot scientists agree
that
TIME is different to everything and everyone depending on who is observing
it, then the speed of light has no definite speed and to say nothing can
go
faster is just ridiculous. Depending on the observer, a turtle can
crawl
faster than the speed of light depending on what the reference points are.
And how the hell would you be able to have a time machine know what 20
years
back is, since time is not a constant?
Well, on the
flipside what if people (cosidering who would be owning/
controlling/funding time travel) HAD come back and changed
things the other way around, maybe initially, ww2 didnt happen
or jfk not wacked, or whatever. Maybe originally many events
didnt happen. Maybe someone cured cancer then in the future
someone came back and took out those most responsible.
That would be a trip.
Read what I wrote above and you will see how all of this is nonsense, I
just
showed you how time travel backwards is not possible.
I know it's nonsense I was just pointing out that it's fun to
think about it in terms of changing things for the worse
rather than for the better while not getting into the particulars
of how these things would be done.
The idea that one or two people could change the outcome of a war is also
ridiculous.
If someone knew who was most directly responsible and take them out
when they are vulnerable then it COULD happen (IF it were possible).
If you went back in time to WW2 to Germany while Hitler was in power, and
told every German citizen you could find that their president was
murdering
millions of people in giant ovens, they would laugh at you and call you a
conspiracy nut. Much in the same way people are calling me names for
telling you what Bush has been doing that you idiots think is all wacky
conspiracy stuff.
No *****, on that note if someone did travel back it would be stupid
to try to tell anyone. I wonder (for fun) how many time travellers
are locked up in asylums.
Of course no one is going to believe that the leader of their country is
murdering millions of people by burning them in giant ovens, that is too
far
fetched to be believed, right?
If it didn't happen, you wouldn't believe it.
Eventually in the future, every American will know that Bush was
responsible
for the 9/11 attacks and actually took down the WTC himself, and had a
missile shot at the Pentagon.
Bush is an idiot, and any persons involved in an activity like that
would be stupid to tell him any more than he needs to know.
WAIT!! Just as you find that ridiculous now, so too would Germans if
you
told them what Hitler did BEFORE it was common knowledge!
Regardless - we would never know,
I know.
I know the universe had no beginning, the big bang theory is *****,
there
is no god, what else do you want to know?
No time traveler has ever traveled into our past, thus it will never
be
possible in the future.
That is, not possible to go BACK in time. It IS possible to go
forward in time.
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
18 Oct 2004 08:54:57 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:52:24 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
If it was ever possible in the future, then we would have already seen
them in the past.
But how would you know if they had or not??
Because I know that time is different for everyone, and thinking you could,
for example, go back in time to, say a birthday party 20 years ago, if YOU
went back exactly 20 years, the people that were at that party wouldn't even
be there because time for each person is not the same. You can't go back
to a specific time and location or event in the past, because time doesn't
work that way.
You can go forward in time faster, but you can't go back in time at all.
That's just a fact, and if it ever WAS possible in the future, we WOULD have
known about it today in their past. Surely a few accidents would have
taken place during experimentation, and those accidents would be in our
recorded history. Then you have criminals and evil people that would
surely have been obvious time travelers!
They are. There are depictions of time travelers in the art in the
pyramids. Each quantum leap in technology also represents them. And
hell, Area 51 isn't about aliens, ya know.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
16 Oct 2004 10:52:00 AM |
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Truth <yenc@sucks.com> said:
.....
That's just a fact, and if it ever WAS possible in the future, we WOULD have
known about it today in their past. Surely a few accidents would have
taken place during experimentation, and those accidents would be in our
recorded history. Then you have criminals and evil people that would
surely have been obvious time travelers!
You forget that in ALL OF TIME no matter how far to the future's END you go,
someone would have come back to your past and done some criminal act or
bragged about being from the future. Some terrorist would have taken over
a time machine, in fact an infinite amount would have since we are talking
about ALL time in the future infinitely.
So there you have it. Time travel into the past is not possible, and that
is now a proven fact.
....
I tend to agree that backward time-travel is physically impossible and
will entail certain paradoxes that we can't resolve (like going back
and killing your grandfather, before your father was conceived). The
idea behind your reasoning is more like historical impossibility --
its possibility does not jibe with history, since if someone could
have come from the future, it (a) would already have happened and (b)
on at least one occasion, something about the visit would have been so
convincing of the fact that the visitor was from the future, that this
fact would be mentioned in our current history books.
I like this idea but am having a hard time coming up with a scenario
that a person from the future would plausibly do, that would convince
people that the best explanation is that the visitor was from the
future, instead of some other explanation -- and that the explanation
would stand up to the test of time. After all, we have all these
stories about miracles, miracle cures, etc. And more rational people
will simply leave something unexplained, that leap to "visits from the
future". So maybe *that's* why there is no record of visits from the
future -- if it happened (which I doubt) we wouldn't believe it.
Also, counting the idea that the future extends infinitely, so that
someone would have come back, the probability that they would pick a
time to visit in the 10,000 years that we have been around writing
history, eventually becomes vanishingly small.
Jim07D4
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| User: "Truth" |
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21 Oct 2004 07:03:14 PM |
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That's just a fact, and if it ever WAS possible in the future, we WOULD have
known about it today in their past. Surely a few accidents would have
taken place during experimentation, and those accidents would be in our
recorded history. Then you have criminals and evil people that would
surely have been obvious time travelers!
You forget that in ALL OF TIME no matter how far to the future's END you go,
someone would have come back to your past and done some criminal act or
bragged about being from the future. Some terrorist would have taken over
a time machine, in fact an infinite amount would have since we are talking
about ALL time in the future infinitely.
So there you have it. Time travel into the past is not possible, and that
is now a proven fact.
I tend to agree that backward time-travel is physically impossible and
will entail certain paradoxes that we can't resolve (like going back
and killing your grandfather, before your father was conceived)
It is not even about killing your grandfather, if you COULD go back in time, your
grandfather would NOT be at that time anymore, so how could you kill him? Only
YOU went back.
its possibility does not jibe with history, since if someone could
have come from the future, it (a) would already have happened and (b)
on at least one occasion, something about the visit would have been so
convincing of the fact that the visitor was from the future, that this
fact would be mentioned in our current history books.
Especially since for all eternity, going into the future history to INFINITY,
anyone ZILLIONS GABILLIONS of years in the future that had the ability to time
travel would have been in our past history because you would have to have at
least ONE big major accident at some time in the infinite future of all time.
I like this idea but am having a hard time coming up with a scenario
that a person from the future would plausibly do, that would convince
people that the best explanation is that the visitor was from the
future
What convincing? If you went back 200 years, you think you would have to
CONVINCE them that you were from the future and it would not be obvious? *****
just bring a tiny portable video set with video of future events, bring something
made out of aluminum or plastic, just TALK with your normal accent and
language. But again, if you went back 200 years in time, none of the people
from that time would be there, as they are all dead and can not travel back 200
years to MEET you at that time.
Time is different for EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. 200 years in the past is not a
PLACE you can go to and visit, the earth wouldn't even be there, you would just
be going back 200 years in TIME relevant to YOU.
would stand up to the test of time. After all, we have all these
stories about miracles, miracle cures, etc.
Miracles are nothing more than either 1) coincidence, or 2) the placebo effect.
And more rational people
will simply leave something unexplained, that leap to "visits from the
future". So maybe *that's* why there is no record of visits from the
future --
How many years can you go without a car accident? Plane accident? Any
accident?
NEVER at any time INFINITELY into the future, did anyone come back to our past
and have an accident in a time period of INFINITY! That means time travel into
the past is not, and never WILL be possible. Case proven and closed.
Also, counting the idea that the future extends infinitely, so that
someone would have come back, the probability that they would pick a
time to visit in the 10,000 years that we have been around writing
history, eventually becomes vanishingly small.
When you are considering INFINITY of ALL TIME IN THE FUTURE, you would have to
have an INFINITE amount of time travelers that traveled to the very minute you
are reading this, or at any minute in our past. An INFINITE amount of time
travelers!
Do you understand now?
You can't miss an INFINITE amount of time travelers here right now, there would
not be enough room on the planet for them all to stand.
Why is it I am the only one that can THINK about stuff and figure ***** out?
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
22 Oct 2004 02:51:59 PM |
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Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote in message news:<41784E5E.596F657F@sucks.com>...
That's just a fact, and if it ever WAS possible in the future, we WOULD have
known about it today in their past. Surely a few accidents would have
taken place during experimentation, and those accidents would be in our
recorded history. Then you have criminals and evil people that would
surely have been obvious time travelers!
<16th Century Frenchman> "He has zee transistor radios! He must be
from zee futaire!"
It would take some explaining, I think, to enable even an intelligent
person from the early nineteenth century to even *conceive of time
travel. They did not grow up with H.G. Wells, as we did.
You forget that in ALL OF TIME no matter how far to the future's END you go,
someone would have come back to your past and done some criminal act or
bragged about being from the future.
Is that a sceintific law? Perhaps it would be rare, and they went back
and cleaned up the messes left behind. Maybe time travel would be
traceable, and there would be time cops. There are an awful lot of
unknowns for a possibly impossible technology, for you to be making
such pronouncements of certainty.
Some terrorist would have taken over
a time machine, in fact an infinite amount would have since we are talking
about ALL time in the future infinitely.
With such a very big future, why would they be so interested in such a
tiny past?
So there you have it. Time travel into the past is not possible, and that
is now a proven fact.
Because you made several unsupportable assertions? You have very low
standards for "fact", son.
I tend to agree that backward time-travel is physically impossible and
will entail certain paradoxes that we can't resolve (like going back
and killing your grandfather, before your father was conceived)
It is not even about killing your grandfather, if you COULD go back in time, your
grandfather would NOT be at that time anymore, so how could you kill him?
Why not?
Only YOU went back.
its possibility does not jibe with history, since if someone could
have come from the future, it (a) would already have happened and (b)
on at least one occasion, something about the visit would have been so
convincing of the fact that the visitor was from the future, that this
fact would be mentioned in our current history books.
Especially since for all eternity, going into the future history to INFINITY,
anyone ZILLIONS GABILLIONS of years in the future that had the ability to time
travel would have been in our past history because you would have to have at
least ONE big major accident at some time in the infinite future of all time.
Right. It's not like we have any stories of people in the past showing
up from somewhere else with great powers.
I like this idea but am having a hard time coming up with a scenario
that a person from the future would plausibly do, that would convince
people that the best explanation is that the visitor was from the
future
What convincing? If you went back 200 years, you think you would have to
CONVINCE them that you were from the future and it would not be obvious? *****
just bring a tiny portable video set with video of future events, bring something
made out of aluminum or plastic, just TALK with your normal accent and
language.
"Zis man, he has zee strange accent! He must be from ...zee Futaire!"
But again, if you went back 200 years in time, none of the people
from that time would be there, as they are all dead and can not travel back 200
years to MEET you at that time.
Um... they weren't dead *then. Why would someone alive in 1970 have to
time travel for me to see him in 1970, if *I have a time machine?
Time is different for EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. 200 years in the past is not a
PLACE you can go to and visit, the earth wouldn't even be there, you would just
be going back 200 years in TIME relevant to YOU.
The Earth would be where it was 200 years ago. Where *else woudl it be
- hiding behind the moon? It might be brought up here that the Earth
does moce thru space, and any time machine would have to move one
through space as well as time.
But what is all this talk about time relevant to "me"? If the civil
war was not relevant to most Japanese at the time, does that mean it
wasn't happening?
would stand up to the test of time. After all, we have all these
stories about miracles, miracle cures, etc.
Miracles are nothing more than either 1) coincidence, or 2) the placebo effect.
That, and time travelers :)
And more rational people
will simply leave something unexplained, that leap to "visits from the
future". So maybe *that's* why there is no record of visits from the
future --
How many years can you go without a car accident? Plane accident? Any
accident?
NEVER at any time INFINITELY into the future, did anyone come back to our past
and have an accident in a time period of INFINITY! That means time travel into
the past is not, and never WILL be possible. Case proven and closed.
Ummm... wow. I have never met anyone who knew all that has happened
everywhere, in the past. I'm honored.
So, if someone went back to study paleolithic humans 200,000 years
ago, and had an accident, you would know about it ...how?
Also, counting the idea that the future extends infinitely, so that
someone would have come back, the probability that they would pick a
time to visit in the 10,000 years that we have been around writing
history, eventually becomes vanishingly small.
When you are considering INFINITY of ALL TIME IN THE FUTURE, you would have to
have an INFINITE amount of time travelers that traveled to the very minute you
are reading this, or at any minute in our past. An INFINITE amount of time
travelers!
With an infinite amount of time for them to go to. What makes you
think the last couple hundred years would be their only destination?
Do you understand now?
I understand that you are making assertions which are unsupportable,
about a technology which is impossible, and may be ultimately
impossible by any civilization.
You can't miss an INFINITE amount of time travelers here right now, there would
not be enough room on the planet for them all to stand.
Why would they all want to come here?
A large number of time travelers does not mean great density.
If the universe had no physical boundaries, it would perhaps mean an
infinite number of spaceships. Would you expect them all to try to
achive orbit around the Earth? If there were a light-speed speed
limit, interstellar craft would be few and far between, even with very
many of them in the whole cosmos. And the future is a long time, but
not infinitely long.
Why is it I am the only one that can THINK about stuff and figure ***** out?
Maybe because they're not well thought-out?
Kermit
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
25 Oct 2004 07:38:01 PM |
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It would take some explaining, I think, to enable even an intelligent
person from the early nineteenth century to even *conceive of time
travel.
That's ridiculous.
You forget that in ALL OF TIME no matter how far to the future's END you go,
someone would have come back to your past and done some criminal act or
bragged about being from the future.
Is that a sceintific law?
Better than that. Common sense.
Perhaps it would be rare, and they went back
and cleaned up the messes left behind.
Impossible.
Some terrorist would have taken over
a time machine, in fact an infinite amount would have since we are talking
about ALL time in the future infinitely.
With such a very big future, why would they be so interested in such a
tiny past?
Your not thinking. The past would be just as infinite. And any time in the past
would do. But again, there would be an infinite amount of time travel crashes right
on your house at this very minute if time travel into the past were possible.
So there you have it. Time travel into the past is not possible, and that
is now a proven fact.
Because you made several unsupportable assertions? You have very low
standards for "fact", son.
What a fool. Fine, go believe your time travel fantasies if you want.
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| User: "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" |
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15 Oct 2004 07:45:54 PM |
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In article <41706DDF.5B2467CE@sucks.com>, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> wrote:
time travel was not possible that long ago
If it was ever possible in the future, then we would have already seen
them in the past.
No time traveler has ever traveled into our past, thus it will never be
possible in the future.
are you sure? if they chose not to announce themselves how would you know?
or if they did announce themselves but you did not understand how would you know?
That is, not possible to go BACK in time. It IS possible to go
forward in time.
time is just another dimension with a hyperbolic metric
arf meow arf
blustering loudly
oaths occur daily yelling
how elder lads learn
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
14 Oct 2004 03:13:46 PM |
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Elliot Jordan wrote:
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
So, I guess the question that really springs to mind is : would
you mind telling me who wins all the major sporting events over
the next year or so? Please?
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "maxheavy" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
14 Oct 2004 03:38:12 PM |
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How many more Paris Hilton Videos will there be?
"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
news:1097784786.80030.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
Elliot Jordan wrote:
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
So, I guess the question that really springs to mind is : would
you mind telling me who wins all the major sporting events over
the next year or so? Please?
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
14 Oct 2004 05:36:24 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:38:12 -0700, "maxheavy" <maxheavy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
How many more Paris Hilton Videos will there be?
In thirty years, we will not WANT to see her naked.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
14 Oct 2004 03:39:42 PM |
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On Thu 14 Oct 2004 03:13:46p, Graham Kennedy <graham@ditl.org> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
So, I guess the question that really springs to mind is : would
you mind telling me who wins all the major sporting events over
the next year or so? Please?
You're challenging the wrong guy. For more information:
http://www.johntitor.com/
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Joseph" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
14 Oct 2004 03:27:38 PM |
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On 14 Oct 2004 13:03:03 -0700, (Elliot
Jordan) wrote:
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
Bah...
Disease has the biggest bang for the buck. Nobel Prize winner "wat's
her face" suggested aids was manufactured (probably not far from the
truth-things can be bred as well to a desired state). Assuming she's
on to something part of the gene code of the virus should follow a
known pattern because humans do not think the way nature does.
Intel cut off inspiration in the late 80's and the likelihood of
something new is much higher because whoever was then left with only
their imagination.
The majority of mens groups will be labeled as hate groups except for
a few sellouts to do what governments do now.
Estrogen induced psychosis (it really does make you crazy, no *****)
and crime sprees become common place in your life.
Governments reach a trump and are comfortable enough to admit that
they are against all rights in any form.
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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14 Oct 2004 04:18:49 PM |
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On 14 Oct 2004 13:03:03 -0700, (Elliot
Jordan) wrote:
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
God, you're not even a good troll. You cannot even remember what
president there was 30 years ago?
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
14 Oct 2004 03:39:02 PM |
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On Thu 14 Oct 2004 03:03:03p, (Elliot
Jordan) kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke
up, lit up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting
out:
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
Yes, John Titor's predictions. While I don't believe he was for real
(though I'll tell ya, that guy did a damned convincing job -- I'll give
him kudos for that), the parallels are a bit freaky and perhaps
sobering, aren't they? John Titor makes you think about the world in
much the same way that George Orwell does. Both men made some
remarkably insightful observations about our world and what dangers
we're prone to, and we'd be foolish to dismiss their warnings as mere
fiction... all fiction has some truth to it.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Lisa" |
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14 Oct 2004 07:55:53 PM |
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Somebody isn't taking their meds!
"Elliot Jordan" <thetimetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
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| User: "KazamaSmokers" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
22 Oct 2004 04:21:30 AM |
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Why revamp John Titor's riffs? Wouldn't it be more fun to invent your own?
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| User: "Ellen Howie" |
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| Title: Re: I am a time traveler from the year 2036 |
14 Oct 2004 04:19:33 PM |
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and is Howard Stern still on the air asking strippers if the enjoy anal sex?
"Elliot Jordan" <thetimetraveler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0a62e5c.0410141203.4bf56fa7@posting.google.com...
There is a civil war in the United States that officially starts in
2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia
launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United
States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my
perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The
US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal
Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China
were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the
Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would
describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets
worse. The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will
realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The
conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with
a very short WWIII.
The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be
the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their
policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President
in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.
Arabs and jews are not directly involved but political situations are
dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005. Real
disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West
as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This
becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next
presidential election. The jewish population in Israel is not prepared
for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.
Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors
the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
its offensive arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In
the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of
what's to come, not the cause.
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