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"Enkidu" |
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12 Sep 2004 08:53:51 PM |
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I am angry . . . |
"The policies determining who would be drafted and who would be deferred,
who would serve and who would escape, who would die and who would live,
were an anti-democratic disgrace," Powell, a leading black in the
Republican administration, said in his 1995 autobiography, "My American
Journey."
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed to
wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a 35-
year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and Democrat
Bill Clinton.
With the Iraqi war causing greater casualties and extended deployments,
legislation has been introduced in the U.S. Congress to revive the draft,
which was ended in 1973 as the Vietnam War wound down and subsequently
replaced by an all-volunteer army.
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=
6212173
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Enkidu aa 2165
Now playing: Peter Gabriel - Mercy Street
That wall, embodied in the First Amendment, is perhaps
America's most important contribution to political progress
on this planet.
Lowell Weicker
Republican Senator 1971-1989
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Sep 2004 09:18:20 PM |
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Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns9562C0521A85Fo5l4bj502sneakemailc@68.6.19.6:
"The policies determining who would be drafted and who would be
deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and who
would live, were an anti-democratic disgrace," Powell, a leading black
in the Republican administration, said in his 1995 autobiography, "My
American Journey."
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a
35- year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and
Democrat Bill Clinton.
With the Iraqi war causing greater casualties and extended
deployments, legislation has been introduced in the U.S. Congress to
revive the draft, which was ended in 1973 as the Vietnam War wound
down and subsequently replaced by an all-volunteer army.
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=politicsNews&storyID
= 6212173
Yeah, introduced by *DEMOCRATS*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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12 Sep 2004 11:42:10 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9562E2E838BA4fstone69@207.69.154.206...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns9562C0521A85Fo5l4bj502sneakemailc@68.6.19.6:
"The policies determining who would be drafted and who would be
deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and who
would live, were an anti-democratic disgrace," Powell, a leading black
in the Republican administration, said in his 1995 autobiography, "My
American Journey."
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a
35- year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and
Democrat Bill Clinton.
With the Iraqi war causing greater casualties and extended
deployments, legislation has been introduced in the U.S. Congress to
revive the draft, which was ended in 1973 as the Vietnam War wound
down and subsequently replaced by an all-volunteer army.
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=politicsNews&storyID
= 6212173
Yeah, introduced by *DEMOCRATS*.
....and you somehow think that's a bad thing? you'd think you'd be thanking
them.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Sep 2004 07:10:55 AM |
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"Mark Stahl" <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote in
news:9sGdnZDQo6qYuNjcRVn-hQ@giganews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9562E2E838BA4fstone69@207.69.154.206...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns9562C0521A85Fo5l4bj502sneakemailc@68.6.19.6:
"The policies determining who would be drafted and who would be
deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and
who would live, were an anti-democratic disgrace," Powell, a leading
black in the Republican administration, said in his 1995
autobiography, "My American Journey."
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote
Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who was
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former
President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
With the Iraqi war causing greater casualties and extended
deployments, legislation has been introduced in the U.S. Congress to
revive the draft, which was ended in 1973 as the Vietnam War wound
down and subsequently replaced by an all-volunteer army.
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=politicsNews&storyID
= 6212173
Yeah, introduced by *DEMOCRATS*.
...and you somehow think that's a bad thing? you'd think you'd be
thanking them.
Don't be ridiculous, the Democrats are trying to sabotage morale.
Our modern armed forces are organized for voluntary service and are
still meeting their recruiting quotas. Exceeding them, in many cases in
spite of the Iraq war.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Mark Stahl" |
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13 Sep 2004 05:06:45 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9563533C2E249fstone69@207.69.154.206...
"Mark Stahl" <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote in
news:9sGdnZDQo6qYuNjcRVn-hQ@giganews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9562E2E838BA4fstone69@207.69.154.206...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns9562C0521A85Fo5l4bj502sneakemailc@68.6.19.6:
"The policies determining who would be drafted and who would be
deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and
who would live, were an anti-democratic disgrace," Powell, a leading
black in the Republican administration, said in his 1995
autobiography, "My American Journey."
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote
Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who was
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former
President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
With the Iraqi war causing greater casualties and extended
deployments, legislation has been introduced in the U.S. Congress to
revive the draft, which was ended in 1973 as the Vietnam War wound
down and subsequently replaced by an all-volunteer army.
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=politicsNews&storyID
= 6212173
Yeah, introduced by *DEMOCRATS*.
...and you somehow think that's a bad thing? you'd think you'd be
thanking them.
Don't be ridiculous, the Democrats are trying to sabotage morale.
why would you say something like that? makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
i could imagine other arguments against a draft, but i can't even imagine
where that comes from. care to explain?
Our modern armed forces are organized for voluntary service and are
still meeting their recruiting quotas. Exceeding them, in many cases in
spite of the Iraq war.
so what? that doesn't even remotely speak to whether that situation is
optimal or good.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Sep 2004 06:36:33 PM |
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"Mark Stahl" <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote in
news:m-6dnbGO6fJKhNvcRVn-rA@giganews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9563533C2E249fstone69@207.69.154.206...
"Mark Stahl" <stahl@nospam.aecom.yu.edu> wrote in
news:9sGdnZDQo6qYuNjcRVn-hQ@giganews.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9562E2E838BA4fstone69@207.69.154.206...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns9562C0521A85Fo5l4bj502sneakemailc@68.6.19.6:
"The policies determining who would be drafted and who would be
deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and
who would live, were an anti-democratic disgrace," Powell, a
leading black in the Republican administration, said in his 1995
autobiography, "My American Journey."
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units,"
wrote Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who
was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father,
former President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
With the Iraqi war causing greater casualties and extended
deployments, legislation has been introduced in the U.S. Congress
to revive the draft, which was ended in 1973 as the Vietnam War
wound down and subsequently replaced by an all-volunteer army.
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=politicsNews&storyID
= 6212173
Yeah, introduced by *DEMOCRATS*.
...and you somehow think that's a bad thing? you'd think you'd be
thanking them.
Don't be ridiculous, the Democrats are trying to sabotage morale.
why would you say something like that? makes absolutely no sense
whatsoever. i could imagine other arguments against a draft, but i
can't even imagine where that comes from. care to explain?
It makes complete sense. The Democratic party will do *anything* to
cause President Bush to fail or at least to appear to fail. A draft
would be massively unpopular with the general populace, and the
Democrats would be sure to blame Republicans for it, regardless of the
truth of the matter. The Democrats have demonstrated their ability to
disconnect from the truth so many times over, most recently with the
CBS/Rathergate memo flap.
Our modern armed forces are organized for voluntary service and are
still meeting their recruiting quotas. Exceeding them, in many cases
in spite of the Iraq war.
so what? that doesn't even remotely speak to whether that situation is
optimal or good.
One presumes that they know whether they need to recruit more people or
not.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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13 Sep 2004 02:27:31 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Don't be ridiculous, the Democrats are trying to sabotage morale.
Our modern armed forces are organized for voluntary service and are
still meeting their recruiting quotas. Exceeding them, in many cases
in spite of the Iraq war.
I was drafted in Oct 63 and was flown home from Germany in October of 65.
All the boats were going to Vietnam.
My basic training company had a high average age and a *very* high
educational level. 12.9 years of school and 22.5 years average age. I
suspect that was very close to the median also.
Most educational material was in the form of comic books. Not the shape but
done with action figures, balloon text and a story line.
The substance of most classes would be covered in ten or fifteen minutes in
any other school.
Has the all volunteer army done anything to make this better?
Or is the typical soldier somebody who could not get a job at Wal-Mart or
McDonalds?
Is recruiting still done the way it was in the 80's when a Marine recruiter
would work *very* hard to get a near high school drop-out who is in special
ed classes and has a fair size but minor crimianl record into "The Few, The
Proud, The Brave" (Few with respect to our standing army, larger thn many
armies in the world today.)
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Sep 2004 03:59:57 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Dwm1d.19083$cB6.14633@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Don't be ridiculous, the Democrats are trying to sabotage morale.
Our modern armed forces are organized for voluntary service and are
still meeting their recruiting quotas. Exceeding them, in many cases
in spite of the Iraq war.
I was drafted in Oct 63 and was flown home from Germany in October of
65. All the boats were going to Vietnam.
My basic training company had a high average age and a *very* high
educational level. 12.9 years of school and 22.5 years average age. I
suspect that was very close to the median also.
Most educational material was in the form of comic books. Not the
shape but done with action figures, balloon text and a story line.
The substance of most classes would be covered in ten or fifteen
minutes in any other school.
Has the all volunteer army done anything to make this better?
Or is the typical soldier somebody who could not get a job at Wal-Mart
or McDonalds?
Ah, here we go:
http://www.todaysmilitary.com/faq/t2_faq_entrancereqs.php#q3
"What are the minimum educational requirements to enlist in the
Military?
Success in any branch of the Military depends on a good education, and a
high school diploma is most desirable. Candidates with a GED can enlist,
but some services may limit opportunities. It is very difficult to be
considered a serious candidate without either a high school diploma or
accepted alternative credential. In any case, staying in school is
important for entering the Military."
[end quote]
Tom Clancy's gung-ho non-fiction "Guided Tour" series implies that
officer training is equivalent to a college education with higher-ups
getting what amounts to advanced degrees.
Is recruiting still done the way it was in the 80's when a Marine
recruiter would work *very* hard to get a near high school drop-out
who is in special ed classes and has a fair size but minor crimianl
record into "The Few, The Proud, The Brave" (Few with respect to our
standing army, larger thn many armies in the world today.)
I've seen stories about how recruiting for the regular services is up
sharply *because* of the implicit challenge of the war.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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13 Sep 2004 07:26:17 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Dwm1d.19083$cB6.14633@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Don't be ridiculous, the Democrats are trying to sabotage morale.
Our modern armed forces are organized for voluntary service and are
still meeting their recruiting quotas. Exceeding them, in many cases
in spite of the Iraq war.
I was drafted in Oct 63 and was flown home from Germany in October of
65. All the boats were going to Vietnam.
My basic training company had a high average age and a *very* high
educational level. 12.9 years of school and 22.5 years average age.
I suspect that was very close to the median also.
Most educational material was in the form of comic books. Not the
shape but done with action figures, balloon text and a story line.
The substance of most classes would be covered in ten or fifteen
minutes in any other school.
Has the all volunteer army done anything to make this better?
Or is the typical soldier somebody who could not get a job at
Wal-Mart or McDonalds?
Ah, here we go:
http://www.todaysmilitary.com/faq/t2_faq_entrancereqs.php#q3
"What are the minimum educational requirements to enlist in the
Military?
Success in any branch of the Military depends on a good education,
and a high school diploma is most desirable. Candidates with a GED
can enlist, but some services may limit opportunities. It is very
difficult to be considered a serious candidate without either a high
school diploma or accepted alternative credential. In any case,
staying in school is important for entering the Military."
[end quote]
In other words what the army says is a good education is barely enough to
get a large percentage of the population into collage. At least they
recognize that most GED courses are fill in the blanks from the book place
holders for people until they can graduate or turn 18.
Tom Clancy's gung-ho non-fiction "Guided Tour" series implies that
officer training is equivalent to a college education with higher-ups
getting what amounts to advanced degrees.
When I was in it was very easy to tell the OCS guys from the college
educated ROTC guys who went through OCS. Same for the West Pointers who
frequently pointed out their first name was "sir". Then there were the
doctors. They could spend four years aas a captain if the "volunteered" or
two years as a corpsman if they didn't. "There is no relation between a
medical man and a military man" a frustrated old timer told me once.
I was a lowly PFC but was an MP in an unusual chain of command that made me
a desk sgt with a lot of power. I was also assigned to give the school
teachers an orientation talk. (The first year I was assigned, the second
year I demanded it.)
They were the only single women who would date GI's where I was stationed.
I socialized with a lot of officers as a result of this.
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| User: "stoney stoney@ the.net" |
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13 Sep 2004 08:28:04 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in
news:Xns9562C0521A85Fo5l4bj502sneakemailc@68.6.19.6:
"The policies determining who would be drafted and who would be
deferred, who would serve and who would escape, who would die and who
would live, were an anti-democratic disgrace," Powell, a leading
black in the Republican administration, said in his 1995
autobiography, "My American Journey."
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a
35- year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and
Democrat Bill Clinton.
With the Iraqi war causing greater casualties and extended
deployments, legislation has been introduced in the U.S. Congress to
revive the draft, which was ended in 1973 as the Vietnam War wound
down and subsequently replaced by an all-volunteer army.
http://olympics.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=politicsNews&storyID
= 6212173
Yeah, introduced by *DEMOCRATS*.
If so, SFW, Fred? Powell didn't say a damn thing about political
affiliation labels. He said they were; "an anti-democratic disgrace"
and he was correct.
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| User: "Guardian Pegasus" |
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12 Sep 2004 08:57:26 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed to
wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a 35-
year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and Democrat
Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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12 Sep 2004 09:09:45 PM |
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Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a
35- year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and
Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't worth
much.
--
Enkidu aa 2165
Now playing: Unified Theory - Passive
That wall, embodied in the First Amendment, is perhaps
America's most important contribution to political progress
on this planet.
Lowell Weicker
Republican Senator 1971-1989
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| User: "stoney stoney@ the.net" |
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13 Sep 2004 08:31:44 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a
35- year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and
Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't worth
much.
I used to, as well. I probably would have voted for him if he had run
for the Prez slot.
Sadly, 'honour' is, and has been, a meaningless term for quite some
time. Probably ever since the term was coined. :\
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Sep 2004 01:20:42 AM |
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In article <10kcig0ohv88q0a@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed
to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," wrote Powell, a
35- year career soldier and four-star general who was chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father, former President Bush and
Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't worth
much.
I used to, as well. I probably would have voted for him if he had run
for the Prez slot.
Sadly, 'honour' is, and has been, a meaningless term for quite some
time. Probably ever since the term was coined. :\
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "stoney stoney@ the.net" |
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14 Sep 2004 03:08:56 PM |
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johac wrote:
In article <10kcig0ohv88q0a@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units,"
wrote Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who
was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father,
former President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't
worth much.
I used to, as well. I probably would have voted for him if he had
run for the Prez slot.
Sadly, 'honour' is, and has been, a meaningless term for quite some
time. Probably ever since the term was coined. :\
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Sep 2004 11:59:09 PM |
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In article <10kejuoomj1l262@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <10kcig0ohv88q0a@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units,"
wrote Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who
was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father,
former President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't
worth much.
I used to, as well. I probably would have voted for him if he had
run for the Prez slot.
Sadly, 'honour' is, and has been, a meaningless term for quite some
time. Probably ever since the term was coined. :\
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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15 Sep 2004 10:05:07 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:59:09 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10kejuoomj1l262@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <10kcig0ohv88q0a@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units,"
wrote Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who
was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father,
former President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't
worth much.
I used to, as well. I probably would have voted for him if he had
run for the Prez slot.
Sadly, 'honour' is, and has been, a meaningless term for quite some
time. Probably ever since the term was coined. :\
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
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| User: "johac" |
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16 Sep 2004 11:54:24 PM |
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In article <gm0ik0tck78avfpq3k35mhfpdbm5unk7mb@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:59:09 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10kejuoomj1l262@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <10kcig0ohv88q0a@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units,"
wrote Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who
was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father,
former President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't
worth much.
I used to, as well. I probably would have voted for him if he had
run for the Prez slot.
Sadly, 'honour' is, and has been, a meaningless term for quite some
time. Probably ever since the term was coined. :\
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
The Manchurian Secretary of State.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "" |
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17 Sep 2004 05:56:59 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:54:24 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <gm0ik0tck78avfpq3k35mhfpdbm5unk7mb@4ax.com>,
stoney@the.net wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:59:09 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>
wrote:
In article <10kejuoomj1l262@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <10kcig0ohv88q0a@corp.supernews.com>,
stoney <stoney@ the.net> wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
Guardian Pegasus <pope@holysee.va> wrote in
news:djv9k0t7q97e2e6shup2na90fo4rlph0ra@4ax.com:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:53:51 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units,"
wrote Powell, a 35- year career soldier and four-star general who
was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Bush's father,
former President Bush and Democrat Bill Clinton.
Apparently anger fades fast when you're offered shares in Enron.
I used to have a lot of respect for Powell. I guess honor isn't
worth much.
I used to, as well. I probably would have voted for him if he had
run for the Prez slot.
Sadly, 'honour' is, and has been, a meaningless term for quite some
time. Probably ever since the term was coined. :\
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
The Manchurian Secretary of State.
Lady Marmalade(sp)?
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: I am angry . . . |
16 Sep 2004 01:08:39 AM |
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TV's wrote:
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
Uncle Colin.
--
If you don't like my lyrics you can press fast forward. - Jay-Z
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: I am angry . . . |
16 Sep 2004 04:19:14 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:08:39 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's wrote:
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
Uncle Colin.
What was more important for a Secretary of State was that the rest of
the world respected and trusted him, until his disgraceful performance
at the UN.
He (on behalf of his government) used the UN and its member delegate
countries as a tool for domestic propaganda, in a speech where the
audience knew he was lying through his teeth. But it wasn't intended
for them - the actual target audience was the ignorant domestic
population.
I don't think the sociopaths running the country appreciated just how
big an insult this was to the other member nations. Or if they did,
they didn't care which makes it an even bigger insult.
It destroyed his credibility where he needed it most: the foreign
governments he has to talk with.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: I am angry . . . |
16 Sep 2004 06:47:14 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:19:14 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:08:39 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's wrote:
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will stick
around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
Uncle Colin.
What was more important for a Secretary of State was that the rest of
the world respected and trusted him, until his disgraceful performance
at the UN.
Yes. An established track record of integrity is invaluable.
He (on behalf of his government) used the UN and its member delegate
countries as a tool for domestic propaganda, in a speech where the
audience knew he was lying through his teeth. But it wasn't intended
for them - the actual target audience was the ignorant domestic
population.
Yes, the UN was fully aware of that since a few weeks before Shrub
flat stated the UN was irrelevant and it didn't matter what Saddam
did, he was going to invade anyway.
I don't think the sociopaths running the country appreciated just how
big an insult this was to the other member nations. Or if they did,
they didn't care which makes it an even bigger insult.
The latter.
It destroyed his credibility where he needed it most: the foreign
governments he has to talk with.
Yep, which renders him pretty much irrelevant, immaterial, and very
ineffective.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: I am angry . . . |
16 Sep 2004 12:49:08 PM |
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TV's wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:19:14 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:08:39 -0500, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's wrote:
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will
stick around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
Uncle Colin.
What was more important for a Secretary of State was that the rest of
the world respected and trusted him, until his disgraceful
performance at the UN.
Yes. An established track record of integrity is invaluable.
He (on behalf of his government) used the UN and its member delegate
countries as a tool for domestic propaganda, in a speech where the
audience knew he was lying through his teeth. But it wasn't intended
for them - the actual target audience was the ignorant domestic
population.
Yes, the UN was fully aware of that since a few weeks before Shrub
flat stated the UN was irrelevant and it didn't matter what Saddam
did, he was going to invade anyway.
I don't think the sociopaths running the country appreciated just how
big an insult this was to the other member nations. Or if they did,
they didn't care which makes it an even bigger insult.
The latter.
It destroyed his credibility where he needed it most: the foreign
governments he has to talk with.
Yep, which renders him pretty much irrelevant, immaterial, and very
ineffective.
Another example of the extremely short-sighted vision of the neo-cons. The
GOP's motto should be "There is no tomorrow."
--
If you don't like my lyrics you can press fast forward. - Jay-Z
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: I am angry . . . |
16 Sep 2004 11:59:26 PM |
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In article <2qu20nF145h11U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:19:14 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:08:39 -0500, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's wrote:
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will
stick around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
Uncle Colin.
What was more important for a Secretary of State was that the rest of
the world respected and trusted him, until his disgraceful
performance at the UN.
Yes. An established track record of integrity is invaluable.
He (on behalf of his government) used the UN and its member delegate
countries as a tool for domestic propaganda, in a speech where the
audience knew he was lying through his teeth. But it wasn't intended
for them - the actual target audience was the ignorant domestic
population.
Yes, the UN was fully aware of that since a few weeks before Shrub
flat stated the UN was irrelevant and it didn't matter what Saddam
did, he was going to invade anyway.
I don't think the sociopaths running the country appreciated just how
big an insult this was to the other member nations. Or if they did,
they didn't care which makes it an even bigger insult.
The latter.
It destroyed his credibility where he needed it most: the foreign
governments he has to talk with.
Yep, which renders him pretty much irrelevant, immaterial, and very
ineffective.
Another example of the extremely short-sighted vision of the neo-cons. The
GOP's motto should be "There is no tomorrow."
The way that they're going, there may not be.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: I am angry . . . |
17 Sep 2004 05:56:26 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:49:08 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:19:14 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:08:39 -0500, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's wrote:
Same here. I used to like the guy. I still wonder if he will
stick around if America loses and Bush gets a second term.
What difference would it make either way?
It won't since Colin has been taken prisoner by the Neocons.
Stepford Powell.....
Uncle Colin.
What was more important for a Secretary of State was that the rest of
the world respected and trusted him, until his disgraceful
performance at the UN.
Yes. An established track record of integrity is invaluable.
He (on behalf of his government) used the UN and its member delegate
countries as a tool for domestic propaganda, in a speech where the
audience knew he was lying through his teeth. But it wasn't intended
for them - the actual target audience was the ignorant domestic
population.
Yes, the UN was fully aware of that since a few weeks before Shrub
flat stated the UN was irrelevant and it didn't matter what Saddam
did, he was going to invade anyway.
I don't think the sociopaths running the country appreciated just how
big an insult this was to the other member nations. Or if they did,
they didn't care which makes it an even bigger insult.
The latter.
It destroyed his credibility where he needed it most: the foreign
governments he has to talk with.
Yep, which renders him pretty much irrelevant, immaterial, and very
ineffective.
Another example of the extremely short-sighted vision of the neo-cons. The
GOP's motto should be "There is no tomorrow."
/imp mode
Tomorrow never comes.
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