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Religions > Atheism |
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"PerfectlyAble" |
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18 Dec 2007 01:23:58 PM |
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I am Legend |
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
18 Dec 2007 02:41:58 PM |
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On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful. You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend"). Then again, it is certainly understandable why the
fundies might feel uncomfortable with "The Omega Man" despite it
starring Heston. In the film he has a relationship with Lisa, the
leader of a disease resistant group of people, portrayed by Rosalind
Cash. Another unflattering analogy is that the leader of the mutated
humans (brilliantly played by Anthony Zerbe) are staunchly anti-
science and have reverted to religious totalitarianism.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
19 Dec 2007 09:55:13 AM |
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"Lord Calvert" <CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:e7ea5fcd-542d-4652-a961-9cbc2f7796af@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful. You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Vincent Price made a film based on the novel long before Heston. Nobody
seems to mention that film.
Then again, it is certainly understandable why the
fundies might feel uncomfortable with "The Omega Man" despite it
starring Heston. In the film he has a relationship with Lisa, the
leader of a disease resistant group of people, portrayed by Rosalind
Cash. Another unflattering analogy is that the leader of the mutated
humans (brilliantly played by Anthony Zerbe) are staunchly anti-
science and have reverted to religious totalitarianism.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
18 Dec 2007 03:26:16 PM |
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Lord Calvert wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Sounds like smoking a doobie before going in would be par for the
course, then. :-)
--
Uncle Vic
2011
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
18 Dec 2007 04:10:13 PM |
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On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
-jc
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
18 Dec 2007 09:05:09 PM |
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"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
--
rb #2187
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
19 Dec 2007 08:08:28 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:47688a46$0$9565$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
I didn't catch that either, but I was about 12 when I saw it for the first
time :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
20 Dec 2007 12:44:04 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
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"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
I didn't catch that either, but I was about 12 when I saw it for the first
time :)
I was 16. So I had years of experience on you. :)
Another (geeky) thought about it that keeps running
through my mind is that to be the perfect
blood donner one must be 'O negative'. I don't
remember his blood type being mentioned in
the movie but I wonder if the "Omega Man"
moniker was intended to also imply he was the
"O Negative Man".
Nah. That is probably just geek-thought cross-talk. :)
The title was probably just another poplulist
biblical 'Alpha/Omega' reference.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
19 Dec 2007 04:52:16 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
news:47688a46$0$9565$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
Actually, the Vincent Price version of the movie is the
best one, so far. It is much closer to the book and
ends as the book does. It is not god-awful. If you
haven't read Matheson's book, you have nothing to
compare it to.
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Now, "Omega Man" was truly awful. It was nothing
like the book and Heston's acting was really exacrable.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
SPOILER (Don't read, if you don't know the story.)
Another big spoiler, since the religious crap I'm
hearing about in the new movie turns my stomach
and probably would make Matheson quite ill, if he
was still alive (which he isn't.).
I didn't remember that at the end of "Omega
Man". The fact is that the 'vampires' are the
new humanity. The guy sneaking around
trying to kill them all off is the last example
of the old humanity. When he realizes this,
he regrets his murders and commits suicide.
Before he dies, he understands that he is
EVERYTHING that these people fear, he is
their devil, he is the stories that mothers will
tell from then on to keep their children in line.
He is the ultimate monster. Nothing will surpass
him. He is the most evil legend for all of them.
He is legion.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
20 Dec 2007 12:42:13 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <this@aint.me> wrote in message
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"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
Actually, the Vincent Price version of the movie is the
best one, so far.
Are you the total gadfly? :)
I haven't seen that version but every other review
of it I have seen has panned it.
It is much closer to the book and
ends as the book does. It is not god-awful. If you
haven't read Matheson's book, you have nothing to
compare it to.
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Now, "Omega Man" was truly awful. It was nothing
like the book and Heston's acting was really exacrable.
But he killed zombies! Zombie killing! Come on.
What could be better than that?!!
I was 16 when I saw it so unless the acting was
horrible I wouldn't have noticed. And Heston
was in another great sci-fi movie, Planet of the Apes.
So he's a star in my book.
"exacrable"? Wow. That is the most
cromulent word I've heard in a long time.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
SPOILER (Don't read, if you don't know the story.)
Another big spoiler, since the religious crap I'm
hearing about in the new movie turns my stomach
and probably would make Matheson quite ill, if he
was still alive (which he isn't.).
I didn't remember that at the end of "Omega
Man". The fact is that the 'vampires' are the
new humanity. The guy sneaking around
trying to kill them all off is the last example
of the old humanity. When he realizes this,
he regrets his murders and commits suicide.
?? You mean the book?
Before he dies, he understands that he is
EVERYTHING that these people fear, he is
their devil, he is the stories that mothers will
tell from then on to keep their children in line.
He is the ultimate monster. Nothing will surpass
him. He is the most evil legend for all of them.
He is legion.
In other words, a REPUBLICAN!, in your view. ;)
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| User: "jcon" |
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19 Dec 2007 10:34:19 AM |
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On Dec 19, 4:52 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in messagenews:47688a46$0$9565$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
"jcon" <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
Actually, the Vincent Price version of the movie is the
best one, so far. It is much closer to the book and
ends as the book does. It is not god-awful. If you
haven't read Matheson's book, you have nothing to
compare it to.
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Now, "Omega Man" was truly awful. It was nothing
like the book and Heston's acting was really exacrable.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
SPOILER (Don't read, if you don't know the story.)
Another big spoiler, since the religious crap I'm
hearing about in the new movie turns my stomach
and probably would make Matheson quite ill, if he
was still alive (which he isn't.).
I didn't remember that at the end of "Omega
Man".
"Omega Man" ends pretty much the same.
In the final battle, Mattias hits Heston with
a spear, mortally wounding him, but he survives
until morning - long enough to hand the other
humans a bottle of his blood (or serum made
from his blood), which by this time they have
established can cure them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_man
As 70's sci-fi went, it was a pretty upbeat
ending :)
Of course, there was no crucifixion imagery
(He died in a fountain, IIRC), but the
implication was the same.
-jc
The fact is that the 'vampires' are the
new humanity. The guy sneaking around
trying to kill them all off is the last example
of the old humanity. When he realizes this,
he regrets his murders and commits suicide.
Before he dies, he understands that he is
EVERYTHING that these people fear, he is
their devil, he is the stories that mothers will
tell from then on to keep their children in line.
He is the ultimate monster. Nothing will surpass
him. He is the most evil legend for all of them.
He is legion.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: I am Legend |
19 Dec 2007 01:03:04 PM |
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In article <5ba2a55e-1f9f-4a69-a795-d23aae8bdb91
@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, jcon said...
Of course, there was no crucifixion imagery
The Christ parallels were so direct and numerous that
they had to be intentional. The imagery was patent.
For instance:
[spoilers follow]
Neville's arms were outspread in a perfect imitation
of Jesus on the cross. He'd received a spear wound to
his side, just like you-know-who, and he was
surrounded by blood-colored water.
There is also direct Christian symbolism: Before the
end, Neville literally gives his blood to save mankind
-- in a bottle, handed to the former medical student.
This blood from a knowingly sacrificial victim will
cleanse the entire race of its pathosis, a plague that
humanity itself chose to create.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "jcon" |
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21 Dec 2007 09:29:09 AM |
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On Dec 19, 1:03 pm, Brian E. Clark <re...@newsgroup.only.please>
wrote:
In article <5ba2a55e-1f9f-4a69-a795-d23aae8bdb91
@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, jcon said...
Of course, there was no crucifixion imagery
The Christ parallels were so direct and numerous that
they had to be intentional. The imagery was patent.
For instance:
[spoilers follow]
Neville's arms were outspread in a perfect imitation
of Jesus on the cross. He'd received a spear wound to
his side, just like you-know-who, and he was
surrounded by blood-colored water.
I just rewatched Omega Man last night. The spear
goes through his chest, not his side, but except
for that, you're right. I'd never noticed the
crucifixion pose at the end before (of course
I hadn't seen it in like 25 years).
There is also direct Christian symbolism: Before the
end, Neville literally gives his blood to save mankind
-- in a bottle, handed to the former medical student.
This blood from a knowingly sacrificial victim will
cleanse the entire race of its pathosis, a plague that
humanity itself chose to create.
It still makes a pretty good story. As I said, something
doesn't have to be true to be a good metaphor.
-jc
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2007 11:08:48 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:52:16 -0500, Michelle Malkin wrote:
Another big spoiler, since the religious crap I'm hearing about in the
new movie turns my stomach and probably would make Matheson quite ill,
if he was still alive (which he isn't.).
I didn't remember that at the end of "Omega Man". The fact is that the
'vampires' are the new humanity. The guy sneaking around trying to kill
them all off is the last example of the old humanity. When he realizes
this, he regrets his murders and commits suicide. Before he dies, he
understands that he is EVERYTHING that these people fear, he is their
devil, he is the stories that mothers will tell from then on to keep
their children in line. He is the ultimate monster. Nothing will surpass
him. He is the most evil legend for all of them. He is legion.
Yep. Except I don't recall him committing suicide (been years since I
read the story).
Anyway, the point of the story is he's become the vampire, their
boogeyman and legend (hence the title).
The Omega Man had a "oh look, the cure!" ending (bleah). I doubt Yet
Another Will Smith Movie will handle the material any better...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“All government, of course, is against liberty.”
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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30 Jan 2008 03:29:13 PM |
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In article <00ap35-v64.ln1@eac.exists.not>, Mark K.
Bilbo said...
The Omega Man had a "oh look, the cure!" ending (bleah).
I doubt Yet Another Will Smith Movie will handle the
material any better...
When has any Will Smith vehicle done justice to the
source material?
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| User: "jcon" |
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19 Dec 2007 08:35:15 AM |
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On Dec 18, 9:05 pm, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"jcon" <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
Sounds like it tied in pretty well with the story.
Something doesn't have to be true to
make a good metaphor. After all, how
much sci fi is just a recasting of
the Icarus fable?
For the original post, I thought the
mutants were going to find God
and get cured or something.
Sometimes, we atheists need to take
our own advice and not get worked up
over things that don't matter.
No one wants and atheist Bill
Donohue.
-jc
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rb #2187
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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20 Dec 2007 12:55:40 AM |
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"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ac6804ed-4de1-47a4-81b9-4eac111af827@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 9:05 pm, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"jcon" <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
make a good metaphor. After all, how
much sci fi is just a recasting of
the Icarus fable?
Interesting observation.
Icarus is perhaps the first sci-fi story.
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| User: "jcon" |
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20 Dec 2007 08:56:14 AM |
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On Dec 20, 12:55 am, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"jcon" <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ac6804ed-4de1-47a4-81b9-4eac111af827@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 9:05 pm, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"jcon" <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
make a good metaphor. After all, how
much sci fi is just a recasting of
the Icarus fable?
Interesting observation.
Icarus is perhaps the first sci-fi story.
The concept of humans paying a price for their hubris goes back to
some of the oldest legends, but Icarus is the first story I know of
where
this involves a "natural" consequence of the use of technology rather
than direct intervention by the Gods.
This forms the central theme for a huge body of sci fi, including
(at least the movie version of) "I am Legend", where the
plague is the result of a cancer cure gone bad.
The post-apocalyptic theme dates back at least as far as the
"Atra-Hasis" story, which later became the "Epic of Gilgamesh"
and ultimately the Noah Flood legend.
Not sure of the origin of hordes of zombies/cannibals/vampires came
from, but my guess is it's just that people tended to look like
that after losing a war.
-jc
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| User: "jcon" |
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20 Dec 2007 08:57:28 AM |
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On Dec 20, 8:56 am, jcon <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 20, 12:55 am, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"jcon" <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ac6804ed-4de1-47a4-81b9-4eac111af827@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 9:05 pm, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"jcon" <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
make a good metaphor. After all, how
much sci fi is just a recasting of
the Icarus fable?
Interesting observation.
Icarus is perhaps the first sci-fi story.
The concept of humans paying a price for their hubris goes back to
some of the oldest legends, but Icarus is the first story I know of
where
this involves a "natural" consequence of the use of technology rather
than direct intervention by the Gods.
This forms the central theme for a huge body of sci fi, including
(at least the movie version of) "I am Legend", where the
plague is the result of a cancer cure gone bad.
The post-apocalyptic theme dates back at least as far as the
"Atra-Hasis" story, which later became the "Epic of Gilgamesh"
and ultimately the Noah Flood legend.
Not sure of the origin of hordes of zombies/cannibals/vampires came
from, but my guess is it's just that people tended to look like
that after losing a war.
Spoke too soon. Apparently that comes from the Epic of
Gilgamesh, too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombies_in_popular_culture#Evolution_of_the_zombie_archetype
-jc
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| User: "MarkA" |
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20 Dec 2007 05:00:01 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:05:09 -0800, Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/
with some rating it pretty high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between
the book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain
now, so you can watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you
just can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting
impression. In some ways it would be cool to be
the last man on earth, taking whatever you wanted.
And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side
is them trying to kill you.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus
symbolism. (I was a new, young atheist at the time.)
He dies in a Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and
it is his blood that is going to save mankind. The
other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
The movie was OK, but the ending was stupid. Think about it: what the
***** is the point of trying to come up with a "cure" for the virus? The
people with the "natural immunity" will presumably re-populate the world
with people who are immune to the virus (ever hear of natural selection?).
The "dark-seekers" will die off in a few years: human bodies don't last
long with a heart rate over 200 and a core temperature of 106. What are
they going to do with the cure, anyway? The handful of survivors are
going to go around innoculating homicidal maniacs? I'd rather sit behind
the wall in Vermont getting women pregnant.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2007 11:06:31 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:05:09 -0800, Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-
a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the God
overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another of those SciFi
films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or worse a rapture try ending?
God saved the faithful. I would hate to think Christian groups,
after Linkin Park, are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have
all been universally dreadful.
Actually, the overall mix is somewhat shifted to the positive:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_am_legend/ with some rating it pretty
high.
You might be better entertained
watching the film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston
thriller "The Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I
Am Legend").
Don't forget the godawful "Last Man On Earth", which came between the
book and the Heston movie. I think it's public domain now, so you can
watch it for free (which is still a rip-off).
I don't know whether I'll go to this version, because IMHO, you just
can't improve on "Omega Man".
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting impression. In some
ways it would be cool to be the last man on earth, taking whatever you
wanted. And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side is them trying
to kill you.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus symbolism. (I was a
new, young atheist at the time.) He dies in a
Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and it is his blood that is going
to save mankind. The other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
Bleah. I didn't like the movie at all. It missed the point of the story
entirely.
But that's Hollyweird, they had to slap a Happy, Happy ending on...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"If the Bible proves that God exists then comic books prove
the existence of Superman."
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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20 Dec 2007 01:11:36 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:nr9p35-v64.ln1@eac.exists.not...
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:05:09 -0800, Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"jcon" <cirejcon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:098afe9d-786c-452c-92f6-
a5d741182b24@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 18, 2:41 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
<snip>
I really liked "The Omega Man". It made a lasting impression. In some
ways it would be cool to be the last man on earth, taking whatever you
wanted. And killing zombies too! Bonus! The down-side is them trying
to kill you.
Warning: Spoiler.
I liked it even though it ended with definite Jesus symbolism. (I was a
new, young atheist at the time.) He dies in a
Jesus-stretched-out-on-the-cross pose and it is his blood that is going
to save mankind. The other guy I saw it with didn't catch that.
Bleah. I didn't like the movie at all. It missed the point of the story
entirely.
I wasn't looking for the point.
Walking into any store and taking what you want.
No traffic. Having a fortress penthouse.
And did I mention killing zombies. :)
But that's Hollyweird, they had to slap a Happy, Happy ending on...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"If the Bible proves that God exists then comic books prove
the existence of Superman."
Good one.
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rb #2187
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2007 11:13:48 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:41:58 -0800, Lord Calvert wrote:
On Dec 18, 2:23 pm, PerfectlyAble <j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the God overtones
were annoying. Is this movie just another of those SciFi films
sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or worse a rapture try ending? God
saved the faithful. I would hate to think Christian groups, after
Linkin Park, are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
I have not seen the film either however the reviews I have read have all
been universally dreadful. You might be better entertained watching the
film "I Am Legend" was based on, the 1971 Charlton Heston thriller "The
Omega Man" (which itself was based on the 1954 novel "I Am Legend").
To hell with both, the book is better...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Nine out of ten priests who have tried Camels, prefer young boys.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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18 Dec 2007 04:26:41 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:23:58 -0800 (PST), PerfectlyAble
<jrhw@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
Save you money and time. The film is an anti-science propaganda piece.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Dec 2007 09:40:43 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:26:41 -0600 Daniel Kolle
<daniel.kolle@gmail.com> carved the following into the hard stone of
alt.atheism
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:23:58 -0800 (PST), PerfectlyAble
<jrhw@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
Save you money and time. The film is an anti-science propaganda piece.
The original book was written by a biologist. Come again?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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19 Dec 2007 02:40:42 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:40:43 -0800, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:26:41 -0600 Daniel Kolle
<daniel.kolle@gmail.com> carved the following into the hard stone of
alt.atheism
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:23:58 -0800 (PST), PerfectlyAble
<jrhw@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
Save you money and time. The film is an anti-science propaganda piece.
The original book was written by a biologist. Come again?
This movie and the book do not follow each other, I have heard.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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18 Dec 2007 05:29:20 PM |
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On Dec 18, 5:26 pm, Daniel Kolle <daniel.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:23:58 -0800 (PST), PerfectlyAble
<j...@kol.co.nz> wrote:
I was reading a trailer to the new movie. That said the
God overtones were annoying. Is this movie just another
of those SciFi films sanitized for the Jesus freaks. Or
worse a rapture try ending? God saved the faithful.
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I haven't seen the film, I just didn't want to waste my money.
Save you money and time. The film is an anti-science propaganda piece.
I've seen it, and it isn't awful. But at times, it does seem to be an
anti-science piece.
There is an argument about the existence of God(Will Smith's Character
is an atheist explaining if god is real why did he let 5.5 billion
people die in a matter of weeks), but a prophetic "god told me" dream
is 100% accurate. It smelled like someone was trying to slip some very
light pro-'god is real' propaganda, but so it goes.
Hatter
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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18 Dec 2007 10:22:51 PM |
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PerfectlyAble:
I would hate to think Christian groups, after Linkin Park,
are now going after Science Fiction productions.
I so know what you mean...
....to think how much fun has been ruined for me in the few years since I
realized how alive and well morontheism still is in today's world! I've
watched many a movie / TV show et cetera that basically was nice and fun...
only that the constant taking-for-granted that everyone agrees on jebus
cult concepts made me want to puke.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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