"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Greywolf wrote:

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I started out this post talking about how bad I felt about attacking
'go od'
Christians. The responses have now convinced me that there is no such
thing as a 'good' Christian.

Come on. Don't let this useless troll polarize you. You
aren't reacting to Christians here. There is nothing
"Christian" about him, or about 99% of the invaders to
a.a. who call themselves Christian. It is a capital mistake
to judge Christians based on the dregs who navigate
themselves to a.a. Your original post was well considered
and you got hit by extremists f rom both sides because of it.
That should tell you something right there. There should
be a lot more atheists here with your attitude and that's the
truth I'd like to believe that there is more--a lot more--to
being an atheist than to beco me a mirror image of intolerant
closed minded bigot like ivan the *****.

The easiest thing in the world is to become polarized due to
confronting these assholes and turning into what you dislike-
-to fight fire with fire. In fact all you have to do is not resist
it and it will happen. But you owe it to yourself to resist.
Judging an entire group negatively based on the behavior of
a few practically defines the term bigotry. Is that really who
you are? I don't think so.

Ciao

You know, I started to submit a reply to a post regarding the
general disrespect atheists get. But it got me to thinking about
the JW plumber who, upon being made aware of my plight (my
home [mysteriously] burned down last October), came here with
his own well-pump and hooked into my old well 'line' - without
charging me a dime, or giving me any real 'Jesus' sermon. (This,
occurred just this last month.)

Now, that to me, demonstrated the behavior of what I have come to
perceive as a 'good' Christian.

Mr. _________!" Not because I believe in God, ( I most certainly
do not.) But it was a way of expressing my genuine appreciation
for what he did, in a way that he would truly apprecia te. (If that's
considered being a 'phony,' tough. It's just a nice gesture, in my
book.)

true. Even a good, well-intentioned Christian has a core belief that
is thoroughly unsound.

belief. But as we now see, people who are a little more 'enthusiastic,'
shall we say, about their faith, are just doing their best to force their
belief-system down our throats - and they don't care how they go
about doing it either.

immoral at times. They don't play fair, but they expect to be fairly
treated.

the JW humanitarian with a great de al of respect. But at the same time,
I will attack their belief-system. Their is no real room for compromise.

The whole attitude surrounding Christianity is, 'If you ain't with us, your
agin' us."

at least to *my* mind it is.

Lastly. I must add that it has become apparent that *somebody* has
tried to get the JW to take back his well-pump.

a compassionate neighbor?

the trailer home I was forced to hastily purchase. And why is that?
Because a water line underneath the trailer is cracked. And who sold
me the trailer home in this condition? Why a Christian, of course! Who
else?

You need some sense...

Indeed, since I'm not getting any from you. Just
juvenile flammage of a very insipid and low quality.
Unfortunately having a lot of spare time as you
do only encourages the spew.

which of course, you atheists
do not have...

Of course not. Thomas Edison had no sense. Neither
did Luther Burbank. Or Einstein. But what a brilliant
guy YOU are.

you ar e a flock of sheep without a dog
to keep them together.

And you are a flock of sheep who pretends
you have an invisible dog named god that
keeps you together.

Get a brain.

Sez the logically challenged illiterate. Such amusing irony.
Are you always this stupid or is this a special occasion?

Illiterate I may be, but that's because english is not my
native language. And I haven't practiced it in a while...
I mean, english...

You mean logic. So keep those excuses coming in.

And I really don't care about YOUR logic.

Don't be so modest. You don't care about anyones
logic.

Bcause that
what you call logic I call word twisting...

And you think it is logical to believe that just pinning
labels on things--as you do here--means they are true.
But what else can you do when you can't back up your
hot-air claims? You MUST pretend. And pretend is
what you do.

Oh come on. You know you are compelled to hang around
us. You are hurt because you don't get the attention from
us you think you deserve. Quit sniveling about it.

Attention? No. I'm just here to have some fun.

And attacking people is a "Christian" value and
how you have fun.

Call 900-JESUS-SAVES.

Hahahahaha! Looks like Jesus has failed horribly in your
case.

Says an atheist!

I dare say that if there is a god, I, as an atheist, am less of an
embarrassment to him than an alleged believer such as you.

But we know there isn't a god since if there was, do you really
think he would allow people like you to represent him?
Inconceivable.

Oh, YOU DO like Jesus, you just don't
like the pope.

I don't like bullies, or in your case, bully wannabes.

Well, yes mmmmyes...

You agree with yourself? How convenient.

atheists would surely
hail Jesus if he 'came'.

If Ivanhoe says it then it must be true.

HE would die for YOUR sins...

So he's dead then? Or was it that Jesus just had a lousy
weekend for your sins?

how convenient.

Hmmmm, now that you mention it....

No, I am having lots of spare time,

One of the advantages of being useless.

Useless as in 'not contributing to this rotten society and
working for a company, and paying taxes, and by that supporting
wars overseas'?

No, just useless rationally. You think flammage is debate.
You think making assertions and then pretending to be
oh so certain about them is debate. Like I said. Useless.

Yeah... if THAT is being 'useless' you can bet
your ***** I'm 'useless'.

I'd call that being a parasite, which is *worse* than useless.
If you're not working you're probably an illegal alien too,
right?

so I thought 'why not'.

It is very important to you that we believe your excuses of
why you are here. But the truth is obvious.

Teach me... 'Del'...

Ok first lesson: Offer arguments (or be prepared to)
instead of mere assertions. Here is the difference:

1. You need some sense...


2. You need some sense because of [list reasons].

The first example is assertion. The second example
(when reasons are included) is an argument.

Clearly then argument is assertion plus reasons
offered to accept that assertion.

Can you explain to the class why it is important
to offer arguments instead of mere assertions?

And unfortunately for human kind, there are many of you out there.

That's why you are compelled to hang out in a.a.

No. As I said, I'm here just have some fun. That's all.

But hey... who gives a *****?

You do, obviously.

So do you, OBVIOUSLY!

You invade this thread in my ng. I did not come to you.
You came to me.

You lost your souls, and now you're
atheists. Fine by me.

Jealousy is a sickness ivanhoe. We get your type here all
the time: cowardly wannabes who become hostile when
their bids for attention from their superiors are rejected.
They, like you, don't realize just how transparent they,
and you, are.

So are you m8, SO ARE YOU...

Try using ALL CAPS for the whole sentence next time.
That's more convincing.

But I really expected something better then
your replies...

See what I mean? Awww, did we hurt your feeli ngs? LOL!

Nope.

Of course you'd say so if we did. LOL!

I must admit, I don't get it all written down, and I am
lacking experience in correspondence in english,

Don't be so modest. I'm sure your ignorance transcends language
altogether.

Yeah, I hear that a lot from the likes of you...

A word to the wise should be sufficient.So naturally
it failed here:

but hey... I don't
give a *****,

If you didn't give a ***** you wouldn't care if I
knew you didn't give a ***** or not. Yet you
obviously do care.

cause you wanna know why? Both YOU and THEM
lost your souls somewhere along the way... and THAT my dear
Watson, is something ANYONE can see. Even if you just LOOK
at someone, let alone making a conversation of any kind with them...

LOL!

but hey... stoopid
folks wondering what 'liek' means, or 'aks'...

When you can't take responsibility for even your blatant
shortcomings it is a sign of rabid insecurity. Sorry that
being around atheists make you feel insecure.

Responsibility?

Trouble with English again?

Dude, just grow a brain, will ya?

More logical fallacy of the ad hominem variety. Have
you asked yourself why you need to rely on fallacies
to evade the issue I raise here? Notice that you DID
indeed evade my point.

Try improving yourself.

I am. Here I am. Thank you for your time...

You don't sound sincere.

I will be a much
better person after this.

Now, now, don't be so cynical. You could improve
yourself if you wanted to. The, trouble however is as Plato
puts it:

"Neither do the ignorant seek after wisdom. For
herein is the evil of ignorance, that he who is
neither good nor wise is nevertheless satisfied with
himself: He has no desire for that of which he
feels no want."

And will have more evidence of just how
you atheists are stoopid...

A glittering generality and a good example of
bigotry. Want the definition? Here you go:

Bigotry
prejudice

These words refer to an unfair irrational or unexamined
attitude toward issues or people based on blanket
preconceptions.

Bigotry now refers almost exclusively to an intense
dislike or even violent hatred for a particular group,
race, or religion. The comparable use of prejudice
would indicate a similar but far less intense
predisposition against such a group. Bigotry almost
surely would be evidenced in unashamed public utterance
or behavior.
-- Hayakawa, S. I. (1978). Use The Right Word: Modern
guide to Synonyms and Related Words. New york:
Readers Digest Books.

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