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25 Mar 2005 08:38:46 AM |
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I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
My wife's outward appearance and behaviour was very similar to Terri's
One group of medical staff saw her as a "mindless vegetable" and another group of
staff saw her as a "conscious being" with whom they could communicate.
The "mindless vegetable" people ('Quality of Lifers') had sufficient authority to ensure
my wife's death.
Her diagnosis on autopsy was:
Primary angiocentric T-cell lymphoma
With "remarkable changes to both hemispheres of her brain"
But she was conscious of them killing her - and d-i-d-n-t w-a-n-t t-o d-i-e.
Something, undetectable by autopsy, was put down her gastronomy (feeding) tube
I was with her 24 hours a day for the last four years of her life
Reality was me, her - and the rest.
'Quality of Lifers' killed my wife.
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
25 Mar 2005 11:03:15 AM |
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"me" <here@now.com> wrote in
news:4243ccc7$0$53145$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
Something, undetectable by autopsy, was put down her gastronomy
(feeding) tube
I have a hard time beliveing that.
rj
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
25 Mar 2005 01:15:07 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:03:15 +0000, rj wrote:
"me" <here@now.com> wrote in
news:4243ccc7$0$53145$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
Something, undetectable by autopsy, was put down her gastronomy
(feeding) tube
I have a hard time beliveing that.
rj
It's kind of like saying, "Someone, undetectable by any physical means, is
running the Universe...."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
25 Mar 2005 04:30:34 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:15:07 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
It's kind of like saying, "Someone, undetectable by any physical means, is
running the Universe...."
Using tools made from a material that so far eludes scientific
detection, called fictionite.
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "me" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
28 Mar 2005 03:47:29 AM |
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MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:15:07 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
It's kind of like saying, "Someone, undetectable by any physical means, is
running the Universe...."
Using tools made from a material that so far eludes scientific
detection, called fictionite.
--
MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
Me: "Did you give her anything?"
Doctor: "We put it down her gastronomy tube"
He later followed up with: "Because you have complained there will have to be an
autopsy".
I reported this conversation to the pathologist (an associate of the doctor) and asked
him to do a stomach contents examination - he didn't.
'There are over 200 substances that can be used to end a patient's life that are not
detectable by autopsy'
Published in the British newspaper 'The Guardian' in the midst of the debate about
Euthanasia.
Some doctors use these substances in order to make their job easier.
You would be surprised what doctors get up to.
In some American hospitals they call it the "Process"
It all depends on how much power the doctors who follow this path have.
After all, Dr Christian Barnard, the famous heart-transplant surgeon, did say in 1990@
'Doctors should decide when a patient should die, without reference to the patient's
wishes, the wishes of the family, the opinion of other doctors, or any interference from
the law'
And that's just what some doctors do.
My fairy-tale land was normal reality in some hospital environments - one only has to
look at the statistics the UK government have amassed over the last ten years.
Our government set up a "whistleblower" hotline for staff to report what was really
going on.
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
28 Mar 2005 05:07:47 AM |
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"me" <here@now.com> wrote in
news:42476f01$0$28496$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
'There are over 200 substances that can be used to end a patient's life
that are not detectable by autopsy'
I would like to know what just 10 of them are. Then again an autopsy isn't
all inclusive. A full battery of forensics tests will show a great many
things. A simple autopsy is rather lacking IIRC.
rj
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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25 Mar 2005 10:20:22 AM |
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In article <4243ccc7$0$53145$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"me" <here@now.com> wrote:
'Quality of Lifers' killed my wife.
Whatever happened to your wife, while a terrible memory for you, has
nothing to teach us here.
What's your point? Are you in this case such a medical expert that you
can decide what happens better than the woman's husband and the medical
experts he and the courts used?
Or are you planning to object to all cases where medical treatment is
withdrawn, regardless of the privacy or other issues involved? This case
is none of our business. Haven't you figured that out yet?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "me" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
25 Mar 2005 12:43:55 PM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <4243ccc7$0$53145$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"me" <here@now.com> wrote:
'Quality of Lifers' killed my wife.
Whatever happened to your wife, while a terrible memory for you, has
nothing to teach us here.
What's your point? Are you in this case such a medical expert that you
can decide what happens better than the woman's husband and the medical
experts he and the courts used?
Or are you planning to object to all cases where medical treatment is
withdrawn, regardless of the privacy or other issues involved? This case
is none of our business. Haven't you figured that out yet?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
The most obvious thing about all this is that someone is either lying or not seeing things
right. Some "concerned" members of the public would like to know the truth.
Jeb Bush should go in and take her.
If it is determined that she is in a "vegetative" state then the Catholics should take over
- working on the presumption that she is already dead!
See what I mean?
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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26 Mar 2005 12:44:54 AM |
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In article <4244076a$0$75895$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"me" <here@now.com> wrote:
The most obvious thing about all this is that someone is either lying or not
seeing things
right. Some "concerned" members of the public would like to know the truth.
I think that 7 years of steady court hearings has gotten as close to the
truth of this matter as is humanly possible. Let the woman die in peace,
for cryin' out loud.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
25 Mar 2005 01:12:19 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:43:55 +0000, me wrote:
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <4243ccc7$0$53145$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"me" <here@now.com> wrote:
'Quality of Lifers' killed my wife.
Whatever happened to your wife, while a terrible memory for you, has
nothing to teach us here.
What's your point? Are you in this case such a medical expert that you
can decide what happens better than the woman's husband and the medical
experts he and the courts used?
Or are you planning to object to all cases where medical treatment is
withdrawn, regardless of the privacy or other issues involved? This case
is none of our business. Haven't you figured that out yet?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations. Atheist
#1331 (the Palindrome of doom!) BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm
Southern Knights, y'all! Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html Draco Dormiens Nunquam
Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
The most obvious thing about all this is that someone is either lying or
not seeing things right. Some "concerned" members of the public would like
to know the truth.
Every indication is that it is Terri's parents who are not "seeing things
right." Unless, of course, your definition of "right" includes "keeping
Terri alive at all costs."
Jeb Bush should go in and take her.
Actually, the government in the USA was carefully crafted to avoid having
any one person wield the power of a monarch.
If it is determined that she is in a "vegetative" state then the
Catholics should take over
- working on the presumption that she is already dead!
See what I mean?
No. It HAS been determined that she is in a PVS, and has been for 15
years. The "Catholics" have no right to take over anything. Her husband
is her legal guardian, and his decisions should be honored, even if they
are not the same decisions that you would make.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "GlennGlenn" |
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25 Mar 2005 11:09:53 PM |
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me wrote:
Jeb Bush should go in and take her.
You mean like... have *sex* with her?
You're one sick puppy!
....or do you mean perform some sort of assault on the facility with
armed personnel the way Elian Gonzales was taken? (Their mottos can be
"Payback's a *****!" and "You Got Your Kid; Now We've Got Our Turnip")
GlennGlenn
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Mar 2005 12:34:30 PM |
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In our last episode <4243ccc7$0$53145$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, me
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Something, undetectable by autopsy, was put down her gastronomy (feeding)
tube
By invisible gnomes no doubt...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: I have been in the Schindlers' shoes |
25 Mar 2005 01:05:42 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:38:46 +0000, me wrote:
My wife's outward appearance and behaviour was very similar to Terri's
One group of medical staff saw her as a "mindless vegetable" and another
group of staff saw her as a "conscious being" with whom they could
communicate.
The "mindless vegetable" people ('Quality of Lifers') had sufficient
authority to ensure my wife's death.
Her diagnosis on autopsy was:
Primary angiocentric T-cell lymphoma
With "remarkable changes to both hemispheres of her brain"
But she was conscious of them killing her - and d-i-d-n-t w-a-n-t t-o
d-i-e.
Something, undetectable by autopsy, was put down her gastronomy (feeding)
tube
I was with her 24 hours a day for the last four years of her life
Reality was me, her - and the rest.
'Quality of Lifers' killed my wife.
How about "T-cell lymphoma killed my wife"? Or would that be a waste of
hostility?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Tink" |
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25 Mar 2005 01:34:21 PM |
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me wrote:
My wife's outward appearance and behaviour was very similar to Terri's
One group of medical staff saw her as a "mindless vegetable" and another group of
staff saw her as a "conscious being" with whom they could communicate.
The "mindless vegetable" people ('Quality of Lifers') had sufficient authority to ensure
my wife's death.
Her diagnosis on autopsy was:
Primary angiocentric T-cell lymphoma
With "remarkable changes to both hemispheres of her brain"
But she was conscious of them killing her - and d-i-d-n-t w-a-n-t t-o d-i-e.
Something, undetectable by autopsy, was put down her gastronomy (feeding) tube
I was with her 24 hours a day for the last four years of her life
Reality was me, her - and the rest.
'Quality of Lifers' killed my wife.
Liar.
--
Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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25 Mar 2005 01:36:10 PM |
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me wrote:
My wife's outward appearance and behaviour was very similar to Terri's
One group of medical staff saw her as a "mindless vegetable" and another group of
staff saw her as a "conscious being" with whom they could communicate.
So, you had many doctors who agreed that she was a "mindless vegetable"?
You went to court dozens of times and appeared before the Supreme
Court 5 Times?
The "mindless vegetable" people ('Quality of Lifers') had sufficient authority to ensure
my wife's death.
Her diagnosis on autopsy was:
Primary angiocentric T-cell lymphoma
Primary angiocentric T-cell lymphoma is characterized by tumors that
destroy the nasal cavity. In the later stages, the tumor destroys the
palate (roof of mouth), and causes permenant swelling around the eyes
and nose. The situation is very grim.
With "remarkable changes to both hemispheres of her brain"
But she was conscious of them killing her - and d-i-d-n-t w-a-n-t t-o d-i-e.
They killed her? From the looks of things, the lymphoma did that.
Something, undetectable by autopsy, was put down her gastronomy (feeding) tube
I was with her 24 hours a day for the last four years of her life
Reality was me, her - and the rest.
'Quality of Lifers' killed my wife.
My grandmother (a devout Baptist) had cancer throughout her body; bone
cancer, lung cancer, blood cancer, and a massive cancer build-up behind
both eyes. She couldn't breathe, she couldn't hardly move, and, in the
final stages, she was reacting exactly like Terri Schiavo.
A couple weeks before she died, she choked out, "Why won't God take
me?!" She finally died and her suffering was over.
Had "right to lifers" had their way, my grandmother would still be alive
and suffering.
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