Religions > Atheism > I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but...
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"V" |
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15 Dec 2006 08:59:26 AM |
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I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
(...) writes:
"I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist, but It sucks to
admit that sometimes, I'm just not."
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
Admitting our defects is not sucky - it is good. Admitting our defects
is Step 1 - in any 12 step program of recovery - for we are only as
sick as our secrets. It sounds like you are doing battle with being a
virtuous person? Or maybe the battle is more along the lines of being a
"perfectly" virtuous person? This reminds me of a quote by George
Orwell, "Most people want to be good, just not too good and not all the
time. You can learn more about this topic of virtue by going back to
the beginning and study ancient Greek philosophy. Socrates, Plato and
Aristotle as well as some of the lesser know Greco Roman moralists such
as Epictitus.
The first step on your journey of changing a life of misery into one of
happiness is to do some writing. But, just writing in wrong form, will
only perpetuate your misery. If we look at the Buddhists eightfold path
we will see that the journey requires something more than 'just doing,'
it requires 'right doing.'
1. Right View
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration
Putting our complaints down on pen and paper first crystallizes in our
heads what needs to be changed or accepted in our lives. Getting it all
out and putting it all down is the first start of this recognition
process that leads us to change. Without this recognition, that
something is wrong in our lives, we cannot develop the desire for
change. We don't even know what is wrong to change!
Writing your complaints down is the first start to making the roadmap
for restructuring your life. Restructuring our lives is very important
if we want to get peace. Those things that cannot be restructured need
to be accepted. Either way we can find peace -- by change or
acceptance. When you write, it uses a different part of the brain that
mere speaking uses and I seem to get amazing results from writing as
compared to just talking. Writing helps crystallize your thoughts. Just
remember what the Buddhists say in the eightfold path about right
actions. We have to use the right thoughts, the right actions and take
the right direction with change. Just spinning our wheels in the wrong
direction does little, so write about things that matter to you and
your change.
Pages 88 to 89 of the 12 and 12 of AA underscores how important
inventory work is to recovery work:
"When a drunk has a terrific hangover because he drank heavily
yesterday, he cannot live well today. But there is another kind of
hangover which we all experience whether we are drinking or not. That
is the emotional hangover, the direct result of yesterday's and
sometimes today's excesses of negative emotion-anger, fear, jealousy,
and the like, If we would live serenely today and tomorrow, we
certainly need to eliminate these hangovers. This doesn't mean we need
to wander morbidly around in the past. It requires an admission and
correction of errors now. Our inventory enables us to settle with the
past. When this is done, we are really able to leave it behind us. When
our inventory is carefully taken, and we have made peace with
ourselves, the conviction follows that tomorrow's challenges can be met
as they come."
I found much peace when I stopped trying to be a perfectionist and
accepted 80% to 90% perfection as my doable goal with my life. Now,
sometimes I do much better and sometimes I do worse, but my goal is
never to be perfect and no matter how I end up, I work on doing better
each day than the day before. Perfection or Direction? Instead of
getting lost in dreams of PERFECTION - I now look at my DIRECTION. My
goal is to maintain my direction in the area I wish to head in, but
while traveling in the direction, there is much room or play available
to me so I can relax a little more while on the journey rather than if
I was the all out perfectionist. Perfectionism has destroyed many of an
addicts recovery programs as well as their lives. Perfectionism is EGO
and PRIDE based.
I heard a story in a Yoga lecture that illustrated this point. "Range
is of the ego - Form is of the soul." The only thing we need to be
concerned with is how is our form when it comes to our life, our
spiritual practice and our recovery work - not the range. Naturalness
is another very important signpost for us to use as an evaluator to any
direction we take with our lives. For when we have to resort to
unnatural behavior it sheds light on what drives us. Is it ego or
wanting to be liked by others or fear of God or fear of karma or fear
of the bottle or fear of jail that drives us? There are certain
universal truths that apply to all, especially in this area of peace
generation. These truths are not based on God, on karma or going to
jail. I will send in a post on this topic "Finding Universal Truth and
Enlightenment" once I have some time to finish it. Enlightenment can be
summed up as the ability to see things clearly and be at peace within
and with all.
Do we always need an axe hanging over our head to show us the path to
peace? In short - if the 10 commandments did not exist, does killing
other people magically become transformed into a peaceful or life
promoting action for us? If the concept of karma was false - does
stealing or hurting another person now promote our peace now that the
thought of karma is not hanging over our heads? If the threat of jail
is removed from our backs, are we ecstatic and at peace now that we can
legally drive drunk? Are we relaxed and at peace after a rage blow up?
Do we need anyone or anything other than our internal peace to tell us
what is right and wrong - if we listen to it? No, there are universal
truths that apply to all irrespective of fear based foundations.
See: http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
I found when I put my peace first, my actions become more natural and
less fear or ego based which in turn means I am more relaxed and
natural in all of my life's activities. Once your actions are more
peace based, life promoting, relaxed and natural you have arrived. You
are not fear or ego based as a driving force any longer. So, does this
mean you have to do this all perfectly? No, but like all things there
is a balance point and if we fall below it so goes our peace. Or, as my
father used to tell me, "you only get out what you put in." Sometimes
we get too busy to listen internally for peace awareness-this is where
VOLUNTARY SIMPLICITY, MEDITATION AND MINDFULNESS comes in. An old
Buddhist sage said, "Enlightenment comes from inertion not exertion."
We need to make time to listen within if we ever want to be peace
based.
Many times our egoistic perfection demands that we must be godlike and
never err. The problem with these addictive areas that require daily
participation in as well as life in general is this. These require
judgments and the concept of change and impermanence is all around us.
Since things are impermanent, judgments that work today do not work
tomorrow. In addition, even with our best efforts, when judgments have
to be made by humans, we can be guaranteed that mistakes can and will
happen sooner or later. Mistakes with judgments are especially common
with addicts, since there is not much room left in the practicing
addicts mind other than how to get drugged up with their next binge due
to living an out of balance life. If we base our self worth on
perfection, with no room for error, then our self worth absorbs the
inevitable mistake instead of a cushion absorbing it.
To set our recovery and our life up with no cushion for mistakes is
unrealistic if we want peace. Whether we are discussing the spiritual
realm, virtue or addiction recovery, we need to have some room to
breath and allow ourselves leeway to be human, have some fun along the
way and gratefully accept as humans we will never be perfect. There are
3 direction we can head with our addictions, our life or almost any
other area of change available to us. These three directions are:
BETTER, WORSE and FROZEN. I use these directions as signposts to help
me stay within boundaries and as reminders of work that is needed on my
part to stay on course - but my course has flexibility built within it.
In the book "The Posture of Meditation" by Will Johnson, he describes
three tools that every meditator can use during formal or sitting
practice as well as "working meditation" throughout their daily life.
These three tools are: ALIGNMENT, RELAXATION and RESILIENCY. These same
three tools are useful to addicts. The addict can work to be aligned
effortlessly with their program. This allows them to be relaxed in
their programs efforts or to be "natural" with it. And they have a
certain resiliency or flexibility built into their program with the "up
and downs" that are guaranteed to all things - living or inanimate due
to impermanence.
A Buddhist practice as well can be adopted by all persons seeking
peace.
My main focus of my Buddhist practice is concentrated on the 3 pillars
of Buddhism that are common to all schools of Buddhist practice:
1- Practicing mindfulness and meditation to develop peace and self
awareness of our own true nature.
2- Accepting the liberating wisdom of impermanence and practicing
non-clinging and a lessening of craving and desires. (CRAVINGS and
DESIRES? Isn't that what addiction is all about?)
3- The development of compassion for others.
Buddhists are not required to believe or not believe in God, so anyone
can make use of this philosophy irrespective of their religious beliefs
or lack thereof.
Good luck.
V (Male)
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 11:08:29 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
(...) writes:
"I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist, but It sucks to
admit that sometimes, I'm just not."
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
[blip!]
So what's keeping you from avoiding this newsgroup? (Aside from your
psychosis, combined with your obvious stupidity - to the point that you
couldn't hit the Gulf from the 61st Street pier.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (December 14)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, December 16 vs. Manitoba, 7:35
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 06:06:56 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 11:08:29 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
So what's keeping you from avoiding this newsgroup? (Aside from your
psychosis, combined with your obvious stupidity - to the point that you
couldn't hit the Gulf from the 61st Street pier.)
You atheists need help big time.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 07:26:44 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On 15 Dec 2006 11:08:29 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
So what's keeping you from avoiding this newsgroup? (Aside from your
psychosis, combined with your obvious stupidity - to the point that you
couldn't hit the Gulf from the 61st Street pier.)
You atheists need help big time.
Those of us who aren't Jeezoids like you need very little help in letting you
string yourself up and then jump off the gallows, Earl.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (December 14)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, December 16 vs. Manitoba, 7:35
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 04:04:42 PM |
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The Chief Instigator wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
(...) writes:
"I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist, but It sucks to
admit that sometimes, I'm just not."
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
[blip!]
So what's keeping you from avoiding this newsgroup?
He certainly is avoiding any conversation. He's becoming Sound of
Flatulence Junior. Another hit and run chickenshit troll.
(Aside from your
psychosis, combined with your obvious stupidity - to the point that you
couldn't hit the Gulf from the 61st Street pier.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (December 14)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, December 16 vs. Manitoba, 7:35
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 04:58:17 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 14:04:42 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
(...) writes:
"I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist, but It sucks to
admit that sometimes, I'm just not."
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
[blip!]
So what's keeping you from avoiding this newsgroup?
He certainly is avoiding any conversation. He's becoming Sound of
Flatulence Junior. Another hit and run chickenshit troll.
We have to give him a little bit of credit. He learned fairly quickly
that he'll get his arse handed to him every time if he actually tries
to defend his position. There are some theists who've been here for
years and still haven't learned that. <G>
(Aside from your
psychosis, combined with your obvious stupidity - to the point that you
couldn't hit the Gulf from the 61st Street pier.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, San Antonio 1 (December 14)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, December 16 vs. Manitoba, 7:35
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 07:31:42 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On 15 Dec 2006 14:04:42 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
(...) writes:
"I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist, but It sucks to
admit that sometimes, I'm just not."
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
[blip!]
So what's keeping you from avoiding this newsgroup?
He certainly is avoiding any conversation. He's becoming Sound of
Flatulence Junior. Another hit and run chickenshit troll.
We have to give him a little bit of credit. He learned fairly quickly
that he'll get his arse handed to him every time if he actually tries
to defend his position. There are some theists who've been here for
years and still haven't learned that. <G>
Yeah. Like the one approximately one inch above your post here.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
16 Dec 2006 06:03:53 AM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 17:31:42 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
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John Baker wrote:
On 15 Dec 2006 14:04:42 -0800, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
(...) writes:
"I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist, but It sucks to
admit that sometimes, I'm just not."
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
[blip!]
So what's keeping you from avoiding this newsgroup?
He certainly is avoiding any conversation. He's becoming Sound of
Flatulence Junior. Another hit and run chickenshit troll.
We have to give him a little bit of credit. He learned fairly quickly
that he'll get his arse handed to him every time if he actually tries
to defend his position. There are some theists who've been here for
years and still haven't learned that. <G>
Yeah. Like the one approximately one inch above your post here.
Ah, yes. The inimitable Earl J. Weber. <G>
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Dec 2006 11:09:58 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
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Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical.
*****, then.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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I think religion is so popular because even the village idiot can feel like
Einstein without any effort. - Denis Loubet
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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15 Dec 2006 02:26:24 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1166194766.133307.320100@
79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist.
You seem to think that, since nobody in the entire world likes you,
everyone in the world has a problem. Far from it. When you tell us how
many boards you've been kick off of, and now complain about how we treat
you, it only confirms the obvious: You are an *****. Christians don't
like you. Muslims don't like you. Atheists don't like you. Deists
don't like you. You should concentrate on being more likable.
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy
goal.
-- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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16 Dec 2006 08:39:02 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:26:24 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in news:1166194766.133307.320100@
79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist.
You seem to think that, since nobody in the entire world likes you,
everyone in the world has a problem. Far from it. When you tell us how
many boards you've been kick off of, and now complain about how we treat
you, it only confirms the obvious: You are an *****. Christians don't
like you. Muslims don't like you. Atheists don't like you. Deists
don't like you. You should concentrate on being more likable.
Sounds a bit sociopathic. No empathy, no ability to understand the
feelings of others, total self-absorption, admitted history of substance
abuse.
One article I found sums V up perfectly:
"Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires -
selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody
else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used in
fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are doing
something good for society, or at least nothing that bad."
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 12:18:09 PM |
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Oh, shut the bloody ***** up, you long-winded douchebag.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 03:17:03 PM |
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On 15 Dec 2006 06:59:26 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
(...) writes:
"I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist, but It sucks to
admit that sometimes, I'm just not."
V writes:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
Admitting our defects is not sucky - it is good.
In that case, you might want to start doing so by recognizing that
you're criticizing the mote in your brother's eye while ignoring the
weaver's beam in your own. Or did you actually intend to come off as
an arrogant, condescending jerk in the paragraph above?
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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15 Dec 2006 09:23:42 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:59:26 -0800, V wrote:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
Arrogant *****.
See why nobody likes you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Christianity is to religions as Windows is to operating systems.
-Scott (#1045)
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 06:06:08 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:23:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:59:26 -0800, V wrote:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
Arrogant *****.
See why nobody likes you?
You atheists don't like him because he nailed you betwixt the eyes.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 06:07:07 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:23:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:59:26 -0800, V wrote:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
Arrogant *****.
See why nobody likes you?
You atheists don't like him because he nailed you betwixt the eyes.
Heh, heh, nailed us you say? If your messiah comes back we heathen
will nail HIM again!
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I want to be good, and likable, and ethical atheist but... |
15 Dec 2006 07:51:20 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:07:07 -0800, Mike wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:23:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:59:26 -0800, V wrote:
Atheists? They are very un-likeable people, they are not 'good' people
or ethical. Or at least that is how they are portrayed by theists and
how I was taught more or less in my previous life of Catholicism. If a
theist should perchance venture onto a group such as alt.ahtesits, then
they would have their suspicions confirmed that atheists are miserable,
sick, defiant people of the highest order by just reading a few of the
responses that are bestowed upon anyone wishing to expand the
freethinking ability of the closed minded atheist. But if the theist
stays around long enough and reads between the lines, they will see
some humanity come out from the atheists on the rare occasion when the
atheist talks from the heart and not from the ego.
Arrogant *****.
See why nobody likes you?
You atheists don't like him because he nailed you betwixt the eyes.
Heh, heh, nailed us you say? If your messiah comes back we heathen
will nail HIM again!
Better yet...
Judges 1:19
"Now the LORD was with Judah, and they took possession of the
hill country; but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley
because they had iron chariots."
So if Jesus tries to return, we can shoot him down...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" -Jon Stoll
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