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"Enkidu" |
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19 Dec 2007 08:41:03 AM |
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ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 03:44:07 PM |
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In article <5ssorvF1av1spU1@mid.individual.net>,
Enkidu said...
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
It's said that someday California will fall into the
sea. I'd prefer Texas.
Look at all the evil the U.S. and the world have had
to endure because Texans were too stupid to put a stop
to the wickedness in its infancy.
--
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 09:23:26 AM |
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On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 07:41:46 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 07:46:01 PM |
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On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
What you're saying is that even though a California based institute
isn't wvwn accredited by its home state, Texas can recognise those
degrees?
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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19 Dec 2007 08:40:17 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:46:01 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to
offer online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called
the Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees
in science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a
growing "creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent
resignation of the Texas Education Agency's director of science,
Christine Castillo Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education
Raymund A. Paredes said that he "was withholding judgment until the
Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the
recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to
a teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without
even knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas
credential was done.
What you're saying is that even though a California based institute
isn't wvwn accredited by its home state, Texas can recognise those
degrees?
It's an internet distance learning program. If Texas recognizes it, it's
as valid in Texas as a dergree from Harvard completed online.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 09:53:25 PM |
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On 20 Dec 2007 02:40:17 GMT, in alt.atheism
Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote in
<5su30hF1a3dkrU1@mid.individual.net>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:46:01 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to
offer online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called
the Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees
in science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a
growing "creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent
resignation of the Texas Education Agency's director of science,
Christine Castillo Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education
Raymund A. Paredes said that he "was withholding judgment until the
Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the
recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to
a teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without
even knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas
credential was done.
What you're saying is that even though a California based institute
isn't wvwn accredited by its home state, Texas can recognise those
degrees?
It's an internet distance learning program. If Texas recognizes it, it's
as valid in Texas as a dergree from Harvard completed online.
Sure.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 08:08:13 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:46:01 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<57ijm39cic8pc321ed0udehfcpo663cmkn@4ax.com>:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
What you're saying is that even though a California based institute
isn't wvwn accredited by its home state, Texas can recognise those
degrees?
Didn't they move their 'school' to Texas?
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 09:01:58 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:08:13 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:46:01 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<57ijm39cic8pc321ed0udehfcpo663cmkn@4ax.com>:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
What you're saying is that even though a California based institute
isn't wvwn accredited by its home state, Texas can recognise those
degrees?
Didn't they move their 'school' to Texas?
I missed that.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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19 Dec 2007 09:52:47 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:01:58 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<lomjm3t76j7sbrllncaiq3gr0j1v5apc4f@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:08:13 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:46:01 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<57ijm39cic8pc321ed0udehfcpo663cmkn@4ax.com>:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
What you're saying is that even though a California based institute
isn't wvwn accredited by its home state, Texas can recognise those
degrees?
Didn't they move their 'school' to Texas?
I missed that.
It looks from their website that they have operations in both places.
They now have
Henry M. Morris Center
for Christian Leadership
1806 Royal Lane
Dallas, TX 75229
(800) 337-0375
though it appears that much of their 'grad school' is still in Santee.
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19 Dec 2007 10:13:06 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:52:47 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:01:58 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<lomjm3t76j7sbrllncaiq3gr0j1v5apc4f@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:08:13 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:46:01 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<57ijm39cic8pc321ed0udehfcpo663cmkn@4ax.com>:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
What you're saying is that even though a California based institute
isn't wvwn accredited by its home state, Texas can recognise those
degrees?
Didn't they move their 'school' to Texas?
I missed that.
It looks from their website that they have operations in both places.
They now have
Henry M. Morris Center
for Christian Leadership
1806 Royal Lane
Dallas, TX 75229
(800) 337-0375
though it appears that much of their 'grad school' is still in Santee.
That's the one. They have caused a lot of trouble locally and at state
level.
They were behind the Peloza lawsuit in the same Capistrano school
district that the teacher is being sued in for er.... reacting
negatively to creationists in his history class.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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19 Dec 2007 07:53:22 PM |
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On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, in alt.atheism
Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote in
<5stvipF1bajo0U5@mid.individual.net>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
The ICR moved so it could lie and gather in more victims of their fraud.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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19 Dec 2007 08:25:08 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:53:22 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, in alt.atheism
Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote in
<5stvipF1bajo0U5@mid.individual.net>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
The ICR moved so it could lie and gather in more victims of their fraud.
OK
One of the strongest indictments of the ICR was the Dmitri Kuznetsov
affair.
He was a Russian con man who scammed them by pretending to be a
creation scientist, telling them more and more outrageous *****
that they took seriously, until he came up with something even they
realised was wrong.
The thing was, a Russian scientist supported them so he must have been
genuine. And they were too ignorant to see through his obvious lies.
He conned them for years without their realising it, and they sent his
crap to their followers who faithfully told everybody else, making
them all look increasingly silly.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#trott
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-03/strange-world.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#moran
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19 Dec 2007 10:29:16 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:25:08 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:53:22 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, in alt.atheism
Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote in
<5stvipF1bajo0U5@mid.individual.net>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
The ICR moved so it could lie and gather in more victims of their fraud.
OK
One of the strongest indictments of the ICR was the Dmitri Kuznetsov
affair.
He was a Russian con man who scammed them by pretending to be a
creation scientist, telling them more and more outrageous *****
that they took seriously, until he came up with something even they
realised was wrong.
The thing was, a Russian scientist supported them so he must have been
genuine. And they were too ignorant to see through his obvious lies.
He conned them for years without their realising it, and they sent his
crap to their followers who faithfully told everybody else, making
them all look increasingly silly.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#trott
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-03/strange-world.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#moran
Bob help us! Before you know it some con man will establish a faith
based organization based on a perversion of science.
Perhaps he might call it say "science-ography"? Nahh.
"Scientology"? Yeah, that has a Barnum scam ring to it!
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 11:46:13 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:59:16 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:25:08 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:53:22 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, in alt.atheism
Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote in
<5stvipF1bajo0U5@mid.individual.net>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
The ICR moved so it could lie and gather in more victims of their fraud.
OK
One of the strongest indictments of the ICR was the Dmitri Kuznetsov
affair.
He was a Russian con man who scammed them by pretending to be a
creation scientist, telling them more and more outrageous *****
that they took seriously, until he came up with something even they
realised was wrong.
The thing was, a Russian scientist supported them so he must have been
genuine. And they were too ignorant to see through his obvious lies.
He conned them for years without their realising it, and they sent his
crap to their followers who faithfully told everybody else, making
them all look increasingly silly.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#trott
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-03/strange-world.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#moran
Bob help us! Before you know it some con man will establish a faith
based organization based on a perversion of science.
Perhaps he might call it say "science-ography"? Nahh.
"Scientology"? Yeah, that has a Barnum scam ring to it!
That describes the ICR.
Kuznetsov scammed them.
Which shows just how ignorant and stupid they were.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
20 Dec 2007 01:10:46 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:46:13 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:59:16 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:25:08 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:53:22 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 GMT, in alt.atheism
Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote in
<5stvipF1bajo0U5@mid.individual.net>:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to offer
online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a growing
"creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent resignation
of the Texas Education Agency's director of science, Christine Castillo
Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education Raymund A. Paredes said
that he "was withholding judgment until the Texas Higher Education
Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to a
teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without even
knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas credential was
done.
The ICR moved so it could lie and gather in more victims of their fraud.
OK
One of the strongest indictments of the ICR was the Dmitri Kuznetsov
affair.
He was a Russian con man who scammed them by pretending to be a
creation scientist, telling them more and more outrageous *****
that they took seriously, until he came up with something even they
realised was wrong.
The thing was, a Russian scientist supported them so he must have been
genuine. And they were too ignorant to see through his obvious lies.
He conned them for years without their realising it, and they sent his
crap to their followers who faithfully told everybody else, making
them all look increasingly silly.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#trott
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-03/strange-world.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html#moran
Bob help us! Before you know it some con man will establish a faith
based organization based on a perversion of science.
Perhaps he might call it say "science-ography"? Nahh.
"Scientology"? Yeah, that has a Barnum scam ring to it!
That describes the ICR.
Kuznetsov scammed them.
Which shows just how ignorant and stupid they were.
"Ignorant"? Totally.
"Stupid"? Perhaps not all of them, at least those who were under the
spell of group pressure are possibly exempted from that pejorative
epithet.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: ICR to offer teaching credentials in Texas? |
19 Dec 2007 10:46:28 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:41:46 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23:26 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On 19 Dec 2007 14:41:03 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:
Texas panel recommends allowing Institute for Creation Research to
offer online degrees for teachers.
The New York Times (12/19, A24, Blumenthal) reports, "A Texas higher
education panel has recommended allowing a Bible-based group called the
Institute for Creation Research to offer online master's degrees in
science education." The Times presents the decision as part of a
growing "creationism controversy" in Texas, linking it to the recent
resignation of the Texas Education Agency's director of science,
Christine Castillo Comer. Texas commissioner of higher education
Raymund A. Paredes said that he "was withholding judgment until the
Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board meets Jan. 24 to rule on the
recommendation."
It's not up to Texas.
The ICR is a Californian organisation.
California's refusal to accredit them for master's degrees in science
was behind the witch hunt against Bill Honig, the state superintendant
of education.
It *is* up to Texas. If Texas recognizes the degrees as a valid path to
a teaching credential, then Texas will issue teaching credentials in
science to ICR "graduates" and given the shortage of people with valid
credentials, they *will* be hired. And other states with reciprocity
agreements will offer credentials to ICR "graduates" perhaps without
even knowing where the coursework supporting the original Texas
credential was done.
Ah, the legacy of DeLay rolls on...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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