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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
21 Feb 2007 08:54:28 PM |
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"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
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| User: "stoney" |
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04 Mar 2007 08:50:19 PM |
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On 22 Feb 2007 02:54:28 GMT, Enkidu <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in
alt.atheism
"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
Then such can be done and presented unofficially.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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22 Feb 2007 09:08:00 AM |
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On Feb 21, 9:54 pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
Generally a good thing, yes, when the taping is couvert, but students
very commonly have recorders on their desks, and the classroom is
essentially a public place, particularly in a public school, and the
utterences of the teacher are bought and paid for by the public: he
certainly cannot copyright what he says there (though his notes he
can). When I taught, I was frequently taped and regarded it as rather
flattering, actually. Of course, I tried to avoid making actionable
statements, like "you little bastards are going to hell if you don''t
believe the ***** I believe in."
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
22 Feb 2007 09:11:58 PM |
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"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1172156880.578694.133500@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 9:54 pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_i
n...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers
to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
Generally a good thing, yes, when the taping is couvert, but students
very commonly have recorders on their desks, and the classroom is
essentially a public place, particularly in a public school, and the
utterences of the teacher are bought and paid for by the public: he
certainly cannot copyright what he says there (though his notes he
can). When I taught, I was frequently taped and regarded it as rather
flattering, actually. Of course, I tried to avoid making actionable
statements, like "you little bastards are going to hell if you don''t
believe the ***** I believe in."
Secretly taping anyone without a warrant is wrong, and in CA, illegal.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
I hold out the following challenge to christians:
You talk a great deal about evil and you choose to blame the devil, whom
you call Satan. I challenge you to read your bibles and find therein,
just one example of one act committed by Satan that is half as cruel,
vicious, brutal and sadistic as the hundreds of despicable acts committed
by your abominable god, Jehovah.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
21 Feb 2007 09:01:06 PM |
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On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
21 Feb 2007 10:49:48 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172113266.810106.311820@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_i
n...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers
to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of
reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
That may be. It's still not legal to record anyone without his
permission.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is
above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "ClayeSkye #4" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
21 Feb 2007 11:05:34 PM |
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On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
22 Feb 2007 02:11:46 AM |
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On 21 Feb 2007 21:05:34 -0800, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithHH02@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172120734.052620.94120@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
Not if it is to the contrary in their employment contract.
--
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
22 Feb 2007 09:05:38 PM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:61kqt2d5jiv5ldci7v935jtl1mud974beo@4ax.com:
On 21 Feb 2007 21:05:34 -0800, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithHH02@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172120734.052620.94120@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allie
s_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping
teachers to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension
of reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
Not if it is to the contrary in their employment contract.
There is no such clause in my contract. I'd be surprised if such a thing
exists in my state.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"If the triangles made a god, they would give him three sides."
-Charles de Montesquieu 1689-1755
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| User: "ClayeSkye #4" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
22 Feb 2007 08:47:37 AM |
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On Feb 22, 12:11 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 21 Feb 2007 21:05:34 -0800, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172120734.052620.94...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
Not if it is to the contrary in their employment contract.
It can't be contrary to their employment contract. It has long been
held that whatever a teacher creates for his or her class is
intellectual property. Whether it be on paper, computer, or words.
This has been upheld when one teacher has been told they have to
provide something they have created to others. It was upheld when I
was told to give all of my presentations to another teacher. They are
paid to create their lessons and I should not be held responsible for
someone else not doing their job. That being said, I usually share
whenever asked. I'm not going to do the entire job of a lazy teacher,
but I help often.
What about this same idea....My ex husband threatens me on the
phone....regularly...if I record it guess who is in trouble? That's
right. I've already been warned because his lawyer found out I had
made the accusation. And it can never be used as proof of anything.
The law doesn't only apply in cases and ways we like. It can't be
that subjective. Your OK with it when it's someone else's rights and
I'll bet there are people who are OK with it when it is yours. That
leaves us all unprotected from anything. It's Homeland Security run
its course.
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22 Feb 2007 09:30:18 AM |
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ClayeSkye #4 wrote:
What about this same idea....My ex husband threatens me on the
phone....regularly...if I record it guess who is in trouble? That's
right. I've already been warned because his lawyer found out I had
made the accusation. And it can never be used as proof of anything.
(snip)
I think you could solve this dilemma by answering each phone
call with an announcement that "This phone call is recorded.
Hello." If the caller doesn't immediately hang up, I
think you are in the clear. You would probably get more
polite calls, this way, also. Secret recordings are what is
not allowed.
Maybe I'll get a tee shirt printed up that says, "My life is
being recorded for quality control purposes. You have been
warned." That should cover the live conversations.
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| User: "tirebiter" |
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22 Feb 2007 02:09:39 PM |
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On Feb 22, 10:30 am, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
ClayeSkye #4 wrote:
What about this same idea....My ex husband threatens me on the
phone....regularly...if I record it guess who is in trouble? That's
right. I've already been warned because his lawyer found out I had
made the accusation. And it can never be used as proof of anything.
(snip)
I think you could solve this dilemma by answering each phone
call with an announcement that "This phone call is recorded.
Hello." If the caller doesn't immediately hang up, I
think you are in the clear. You would probably get more
polite calls, this way, also. Secret recordings are what is
not allowed.
Maybe I'll get a tee shirt printed up that says, "My life is
being recorded for quality control purposes. You have been
warned." That should cover the live conversations.
If I'm not mistaken, it is permissible in most states for a
conversation to be recorded as long as at least one participant knows
it's being recorded. It's not necessary for all participants to
know. This was one of the elements of Monica Lewinsky's phone calls
to Linda Tripp that were made admissible in the Clinton investigation.
---
a.a. #2273
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| User: "ClayeSkye #4" |
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22 Feb 2007 09:26:07 AM |
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On Feb 22, 7:30 am, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
ClayeSkye #4 wrote:
What about this same idea....My ex husband threatens me on the
phone....regularly...if I record it guess who is in trouble? That's
right. I've already been warned because his lawyer found out I had
made the accusation. And it can never be used as proof of anything.
(snip)
I think you could solve this dilemma by answering each phone
call with an announcement that "This phone call is recorded.
Hello." If the caller doesn't immediately hang up, I
think you are in the clear. You would probably get more
polite calls, this way, also. Secret recordings are what is
not allowed.
Maybe I'll get a tee shirt printed up that says, "My life is
being recorded for quality control purposes. You have been
warned." That should cover the live conversations.
So are secret recordings not allowed in the classroom, too? Do you
see my point? I am not defending what this guy did. People assume
that the district knew and did nothing. Let me give you an example.
There was a teacher here who was yelling at her class in what was said
to be an inappropriate manner. One student and parent went to the
principal. She didn't give much information, said she would check on
it. The parents were not happy with that response. The principal
interviewed several students quietly over the next few weeks. The
same parent came in several times. The principal said she was
investigating. The parents demanded to know how and who she had
talked to. She said she couldn't say, which is true. That parent
made several scenes we all witnessed in the office. It took a month
before the teacher was given the option of quitting or being fired.
Each has it's attraction. She decided not to fight it further.
Had the principal skipped any steps, the teacher could have found a
mistake that would have made the whole thing thrown out. She is gone
and the details are still fairly private. When it is done right, that
is how this works. I know more than most because I am our union
rep.
I don't want to see us picking who deserve due process and who does
not. Who decides? And what if they don't think I am worthy?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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22 Feb 2007 05:46:58 PM |
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On 22 Feb 2007 06:47:37 -0800, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithHH02@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172155657.052631.66260@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 22, 12:11 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 21 Feb 2007 21:05:34 -0800, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172120734.052620.94...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
Not if it is to the contrary in their employment contract.
It can't be contrary to their employment contract. It has long been
It can be here in Australia.
A teacher can sign over intellectual rights to the educational
institution, and this happens regurlarly.
held that whatever a teacher creates for his or her class is
intellectual property. Whether it be on paper, computer, or words.
This has been upheld when one teacher has been told they have to
provide something they have created to others. It was upheld when I
was told to give all of my presentations to another teacher. They are
paid to create their lessons and I should not be held responsible for
someone else not doing their job. That being said, I usually share
whenever asked. I'm not going to do the entire job of a lazy teacher,
but I help often.
What about this same idea....My ex husband threatens me on the
phone....regularly...if I record it guess who is in trouble? That's
right. I've already been warned because his lawyer found out I had
made the accusation. And it can never be used as proof of anything.
The law doesn't only apply in cases and ways we like. It can't be
that subjective. Your OK with it when it's someone else's rights and
I'll bet there are people who are OK with it when it is yours. That
leaves us all unprotected from anything. It's Homeland Security run
its course.
--
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| User: "jl" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
23 Feb 2007 07:18:40 PM |
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On Feb 22, 9:47 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 12:11 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 21 Feb 2007 21:05:34 -0800, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172120734.052620.94...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
Not if it is to the contrary in their employment contract.
It can't be contrary to their employment contract. It has long been
held that whatever a teacher creates for his or her class is
intellectual property.
Cite? If you're going to say "It has long been held" you should
provide authority for it. I'm calling your hand below on the
telephone recording because you may well be misinforming.
Whether it be on paper, computer, or words.
This has been upheld when one teacher has been told they have to
provide something they have created to others. It was upheld when I
was told to give all of my presentations to another teacher. They are
paid to create their lessons and I should not be held responsible for
someone else not doing their job. That being said, I usually share
whenever asked. I'm not going to do the entire job of a lazy teacher,
but I help often.
What about this same idea....My ex husband threatens me on the
phone....regularly...if I record it guess who is in trouble?
Depends on the state. In some states like mine you can record all day
long if you are a party to the phone conversation. The feds have a
rule you can record a phone conversation in secret as long as one of
the parties is aware of the recording.
Don't misinform people.
In the case of this schoolchild the reason behind the no-record rule
is being abused to protect misbehavior of the teacher.
I saw something similar in Florida where an arrogant, dishonest
customs officer was abusing his office. A citizen recorded him
against his will and was later arrested. Florida makes it a felony to
record a person against his will, which I think is a ridiculous law
often abused to protect the guilty. Anyway, as soon as the DA saw the
political tide in favor of the citizen the customs officer had abused,
he quickly dismissed the case against the citizen with the tape
recorder.
That's
right. I've already been warned because his lawyer found out I had
made the accusation. And it can never be used as proof of anything.
There you go, making a sweeping generalization.
The law doesn't only apply in cases and ways we like. It can't be
that subjective. Your (sic) OK with it when it's someone else's rights and
I'll bet there are people who are OK with it when it is yours. That
leaves us all unprotected from anything. It's Homeland Security run
its course.
Jeez, is this a schoolteacher making these statements?
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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21 Feb 2007 11:24:22 PM |
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On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
22 Feb 2007 08:59:12 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172121862.694172.261460@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_alli
es_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping
teachers to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good
thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension
of reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and
can only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new.
This is the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
Hmmmm . . . isn't that what the Bush administration is saying about
illegal wiretaps?
Illegal is illegal. The teacher was wrong. The student was wrong. I
don't want to live in a world where someone in the lunchroom is secretly
taping conversations.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
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| User: "christian in a foxhole" |
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23 Feb 2007 09:18:26 AM |
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On Feb 22, 9:59 pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1172121862.694172.261460@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_alli
es_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping
teachers to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good
thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension
of reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and
can only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new.
This is the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
Hmmmm . . . isn't that what the Bush administration is saying about
illegal wiretaps?
Illegal is illegal. The teacher was wrong. The student was wrong. I
don't want to live in a world where someone in the lunchroom is secretly
taping conversations.
But, then again, the person doing the recording may very well just be
doing research on YOU.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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23 Feb 2007 05:22:44 PM |
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"christian in a foxhole" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172243906.010675.316450@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 22, 9:59 pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote
innews:1172121862.694172.261460@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_a
lli es_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping
teachers to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good
thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the
suspension of reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a
conversation, they are teaching a group, so it's hardly
confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and
can only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new.
This is the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored
due to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence.
Compared to the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording
is nothing.
Hmmmm . . . isn't that what the Bush administration is saying about
illegal wiretaps?
Illegal is illegal. The teacher was wrong. The student was wrong.
I don't want to live in a world where someone in the lunchroom is
secretly taping conversations.
But, then again, the person doing the recording may very well just be
doing research on YOU.
Shut up asswipe. Nobody cares what you say.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"I'll tell you what you did with Atheists for about 1500 years. You
outlawed them from the universities or any teaching careers, besmirched
their reputations, banned or burned their books or their writings of any
kind, drove them into exile, humiliated them, seized their properties,
arrested them for blasphemy. You dehumanised them with beatings and
exquisite torture, gouged out their eyes, slit their tongues, stretched,
crushed, or broke their limbs, tore off their breasts if they were women,
crushed their scrotums if they were men, imprisoned them, stabbed them,
disembowelled them, hanged them, burnt them alive. And you have nerve
enough to complain to me that I laugh at you."
- Dr Madalyn Murray O'Hair, Founder, American Atheists
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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23 Feb 2007 02:05:19 AM |
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On Feb 23, 2:59 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1172121862.694172.261460@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_alli
es_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping
teachers to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good
thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension
of reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and
can only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new.
This is the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
Hmmmm . . . isn't that what the Bush administration is saying about
illegal wiretaps?
Illegal is illegal. The teacher was wrong. The student was wrong. I
don't want to live in a world where someone in the lunchroom is secretly
taping conversations.
There have to be limits of course, but it depends how they are set.
The student, it appears, had already complained, and as is invariably
the case when a student complains it is dismissed on grounds of one
word against another without actually being looked at. It is then
quite reasonable for the student to gather evidence, perhaps if the
school had been prepared to listen to the student before hand and not
put up with a teacher who was behaving in an unconstitutional manner,
then it would never have got to this level.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
23 Feb 2007 07:34:44 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:59:12 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172121862.694172.261460@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote
innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_alli
es_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping
teachers to be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all
participants is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good
thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension
of reason, and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and
can only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new.
This is the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
Hmmmm . . . isn't that what the Bush administration is saying about
illegal wiretaps?
Illegal is illegal. The teacher was wrong. The student was wrong. I
don't want to live in a world where someone in the lunchroom is secretly
taping conversations.
Laws vary from state to state on whether you need consent. In some states,
you can record telephone conversations without consent. And in many,
there's nothing to stop you from recording people in public.
I don't know what NJ law is on the matter but note that the student has
not been charged under the law. The school's position was they banned
recording because other students complained about being recorded, not
because it was illegal.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement
in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the
head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect
little pigs of those it wins over to its side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
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| User: "ClayeSkye #4" |
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22 Feb 2007 12:53:00 AM |
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On Feb 21, 9:24 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
The implication here is that the banning of tapes without permission
is wrong and only in response to what happened. The actual facts of
the case are that the teacher has been disciplined, though those
records are kept confidential in most cases, as are you work files and
that the taping of classes is and has always been at the discretion of
the teacher or lecturer. I've had teachers refuse to allow taping and
I have refused to allow my class to be videotaped.
Someone can always do wrong in any profession, it does not take away
the basic rights of all individuals.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
22 Feb 2007 05:05:48 AM |
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On 22 Feb., 07:53, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:24 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
The implication here is that the banning of tapes without permission
is wrong and only in response to what happened. The actual facts of
the case are that the teacher has been disciplined, though those
records are kept confidential in most cases, as are you work files and
that the taping of classes is and has always been at the discretion of
the teacher or lecturer. I've had teachers refuse to allow taping and
I have refused to allow my class to be videotaped.
Someone can always do wrong in any profession, it does not take away
the basic rights of all individuals
I see your point, and I agree with you. The fact that we do not like
the individual revealed should not negate the law. On the other hand,
if taping had been a normal practice in the class (rather likely),
implied permission would have been given.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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22 Feb 2007 12:02:14 PM |
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On Feb 22, 11:05 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 22 Feb., 07:53, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:24 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:05 am, "ClayeSkye #4" <FaithH...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 7:01 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:54 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1172072037.805997.30730@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 21, 10:18 am, "Steve O" <spamh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/High_school_student_finds_allies_in...
Along with the administrator who suddenly declared taping teachers to
be verboten.
In CA, taping any conversation without the permission of all participants
is illegal. Generally, I think this is a good thing.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is only undemonstrable assertions that require the suspension of reason,
and weak ideas that require faith.
-Dan Barker
The key difference is that a teacher isn't holding a conversation,
they are teaching a group, so it's hardly confidential stuff.
A teacher's lesson plan is that person's intellectual property and can
only be reproduced if permission is given. This is not new. This is
the law.
However the student only resorted to tape recording when ignored due
to lack of evidence. The student then got some evidence. Compared to
the serious malpractise of the teacher, tape recording is nothing.
The implication here is that the banning of tapes without permission
is wrong and only in response to what happened. The actual facts of
the case are that the teacher has been disciplined, though those
records are kept confidential in most cases, as are you work files and
that the taping of classes is and has always been at the discretion of
the teacher or lecturer. I've had teachers refuse to allow taping and
I have refused to allow my class to be videotaped.
Someone can always do wrong in any profession, it does not take away
the basic rights of all individuals
I see your point, and I agree with you. The fact that we do not like
the individual revealed should not negate the law. On the other hand,
if taping had been a normal practice in the class (rather likely),
implied permission would have been given.
It is however legal in English law (and probably a lot of other legal
systems) to commit an offence in order to prevent a more serious one,
it's Duress by Necessity.
If a teacher or member of magement pulled this religious *****
against one of my members, I would actively encourage them to get
proof.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Idiot teacher requires sacking |
22 Feb 2007 09:02:10 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1172167334.902827.299960
@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
It is however legal in English law (and probably a lot of other legal
systems) to commit an offence in order to prevent a more serious one,
it's Duress by Necessity.
This has been the defense offered by abortion clinic bombers and torture by
the U.S.
No thanks.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
William James used to preach "the will to believe". For my part, I should
wish to preach "the will to doubt". What is wanted is not the will to
believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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22 Feb 2007 11:20:20 PM |
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On Feb 23, 3:02 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1172167334.902827.299960
@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
It is however legal in English law (and probably a lot of other legal
systems) to commit an offence in order to prevent a more serious one,
it's Duress by Necessity.
This has been the defense offered by abortion clinic bombers and torture by
the U.S.
No thanks.
Yes, but in order to work, the offence committed has to be, in the
eyes of the law, less serious than the offence prevented. Torture and
bombing tend to be fairly serious. Also, in English Law, the defence
is never available if the offence involves the taking of a human life.
It was used successfully by protesters who sabotaged a shipment of
Hawk jets to a suspect regime. The defence, to anyone who has studied
much law, is absolutely necessary, as it allows for things such as
assaults to escape from kidnapping.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
William James used to preach "the will to believe". For my part, I should
wish to preach "the will to doubt". What is wanted is not the will to
believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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23 Feb 2007 05:20:21 PM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172208020.141469.269860@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 23, 3:02 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172167334.902827.299960 @v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
It is however legal in English law (and probably a lot of other
legal systems) to commit an offence in order to prevent a more
serious one, it's Duress by Necessity.
This has been the defense offered by abortion clinic bombers and
torture by the U.S.
No thanks.
Yes, but in order to work, the offence committed has to be, in the
eyes of the law, less serious than the offence prevented. Torture and
bombing tend to be fairly serious.
Not to the Bush administration.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever
fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a
wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
-Mark Twain, About the Christian Bible, Letter III
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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23 Feb 2007 06:20:35 PM |
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On Feb 23, 11:20 pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1172208020.141469.269860@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 23, 3:02 am, Enkidu <fox_rgf...@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172167334.902827.299960 @v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
It is however legal in English law (and probably a lot of other
legal systems) to commit an offence in order to prevent a more
serious one, it's Duress by Necessity.
This has been the defense offered by abortion clinic bombers and
torture by the U.S.
No thanks.
Yes, but in order to work, the offence committed has to be, in the
eyes of the law, less serious than the offence prevented. Torture and
bombing tend to be fairly serious.
Not to the Bush administration.
I was referring to the legal situation in civilised countries, not the
opinions of a bunch of megalomaniacs :p
Even our largest right wing party is no further to the right than your
largest "left" wing party.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever
fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a
wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
-Mark Twain, About the Christian Bible, Letter III
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