Thank you for the comments.

However, God endows man with the ability to judge in righteousness.

judge is the word of a person which reveals the "inner man" the

man.

The "judgment seat of Christ" is a reality. All who possess the mind

spirit of Christ sit on this judgment seat and judge in

Man is not forbidden to "judge" but is required by God to judge.

God requires man to become righteous and judge in righteousness.

DW Suiter
Son of God

<keithj43@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107470422.538317.177900@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Hi DW


I agree with many of the points you are making, but as a Christian
brother, I would ask you to consider:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the For in the

way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you

it will be measured to For in the same way you judge others, you

be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to

(Matthew 7:1-2)

We are absolutely incompetent to judge other people since none of

inside another's head. No matter what terrible thing a person might

for all we know, if we had experienced the same things the person

are judging had experienced, we would have done even worse things

they have. This applies even for horrific crimes; how much more it
applies to arrogance expressed when people are arguing. I really

you should think about this when you are tempted to insult the

you are debating with here. I know *I* need to think about it more.

yours in Christ
keith




DW Suiter wrote:

Hello pompous ***** who would like to be top cop on the I-net.

language.)

Sorry, I do not like to scroll to the bottom of each post to see

the

response is. So, I post so others don't have to. The "rule" is

archaic.

Simply follow the same way I have followed and you can also prove

matter

of the existence of God. However, every loudmouthed atheist I

communicated with so far has refused. Why? They would rather hear

their

bellows of stupidity. How about you?

DW Suiter
Son of God


"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BE2169DC.A841%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...

in article 10vnth28f1uq681@corp.supernews.com, DW Suiter at
dwsuiter@toast.net wrote on 01/29/05 4:46 PM:

You have committed the error of confusing me with a

Not at all. You simply have your own brand of crankdom, it

You

bust

out all ready to condemn others. You do not reason, or even

an

argument for the most part. You seem pretty handy with the

--

which

doesn't square with any Scriptural principle that I am aware

Assumptions
are dangerous.

You should learn that.

You should also learn what logic *is*

Why do you think God does not possess and use logic?

I told you, and gave you Scripture. You simply ignore it, oh

of God"?

God does not think like we do. He said so Himself.

Every principle of God
is comprised of both logic and reason.

Scripture, please.

Man did not create either logic or
reason.

Reasoning is something that many species possess. But man

did

create logic. Man wrote the rules. The rules of logic are not

passed down

in

Scripture.

He discovered he was able to use it. How do you think man was
endowed with a mind and the ability to use logic and reason?

is God

who

creates a mind in mankind that is able to use logic and

understanding and obeying the higher principles or "ways" of

which

create a way of life; a way of living. No person is able to

these

principles, nor live this life, unless and until they have

taught

these

by God, not man nor man's religious organizations.

Oh, I see! You are "special"! *You* have a "direct connection"?

Please

tell

us more about this.

Christianity has always been exoteric, not esoteric. You are

espousing an

esoteric knowledge, which is anathema to Scriptural principles.

Using logic a person may only argue belief or opinion unless

person

has

proved a matter and has gained sure knowledge of the matter.

need not

prove all existing matters, but the one he presents his word

and

addresses. In this instance it is the matter of the existence

God.

Well then, by all means! Prove to us logically the existence of

God. I

eagerly await your work. Please note that there are several of

who will

do our best to make sure that you have not copied it from

source.

Unfortunately, "sure knowledge" is a scarce thing in this

Given

the fact that you do not appear to know what logic really is, I

rather

doubt

that you possess such "sure knowledge" and can prove God's

existence.

But please, feel free to prove me wrong. I would greatly

seeing

a

bona fide proof of God for once.

And by the way. A word to the wise (you are wise, aren't you?).

is

polite

to respond to the message. Top-posting makes you look like a

pompous *****

who

is too full of himself to answer what people have written and

ignorant

to actually do so if he tried. Now, since you are obviously

of

these

things, please do the polite thing and stop making yourself

foolish.

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith

DW Suiter
Son of God

"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BE2135EB.A7F5%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...

in article 10vnaiajh9lopc5@corp.supernews.com, DW Suiter at
dwsuiter@toast.net wrote on 01/29/05 11:23 AM:

Your inability to identify logic reveals your stupidity.

mere

belief is

illogical compared to possession of sure knowledge. But, as

with many

idiots

you believe your beliefs justify your illogical statements.

(Hint) prove a matter before you argue your beliefs.

Are you able to understand the logic in proving a matter?

DW Suiter
Son of God

OK, DW. You are a "Son of God", right? So let's get the

rules

clear.

First, it doesn't matter what anyone else does or says --

insults and

taunts

are not appropriate for a person who is trying to convey

particularly

if they claim it to be "Christian" truth. It directly

contradicts the

instructions given to those who presume to teach in 1 and 2

Timothy,

and

specifically 2 Timothy 2:24-26.

If you are going to prove yourself to be logical -- and you

haven't

done

so

yet in this thread that I have seen -- you need to start

it.

Taunting

others with their supposed lack of it does not demonstrate

own

mastery

of it, nor does your assertion of it as being one of God's

qualities

make

it

so.

Now I am probably the first to appreciate logic in proving a

matter --

seeing that I teach the subject matter on a frequent basis.

the

fact

is

that no one, not even you, proves everything before he

his

beliefs.

One can do the best one can, and one can be taught how to do

better.

But

then, there are some things you believe that you can never

prove. God's

existence, for example.

But granted that God exists and has a superior intellect,

on earth

makes you think that God would use "logic"? Logic is a

human-devised

tool

of

reasoning that allows us to take the limited information we

have,

formulate

premises and draw conclusions. God has no need of logic,

He

already

knows all things. And in any case, Isaiah has God saying

thoughts

are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith

Lord.

For

as

the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher

than your

ways,

and my thoughts than your thoughts" (55:8-9). Claiming God

logical

seems to be an attempt to make Him more human and less

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith

"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:ha1nv05jum1g4js35a59pr95u5jhpss6js@4ax.com...

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:39:50 -0600, "DW Suiter"

<dwsuiter@toast.net>

wrote:

If you knew God or anything about God, you could

the

superior

intellect of God which includes logic. Why would any

including

a

person of God, do something illogical and/or

Your

thoughts

are

illogical.

Son, I get the distinct impression you wouldn't know logic

it

jumped up and bit your nose off.

DW Suiter
Son of God

in article 10vocbkgc42u6e4@corp.supernews.com, DW Suiter at
dwsuiter@toast.net wrote on 01/29/05 8:59 PM:

Hello pompous ***** who would like to be top cop on the I-net. (Your
language.)

Actually, you are the pompous *****.

Sorry, I do not like to scroll to the bottom of each post to see what

response is.

I should think you do not like to scroll to the bottom to even read the
arguments given you. Certainly you have not responded to any argument of
mine.

So, I post so others don't have to. The "rule" is archaic.

As it pleases you. But a lot of "archaic" things are around. 24 hours in a
day, etc. etc. It is still rude to top post. You still don't answer any
questions. And you still show yourself to be unable to put together a

argument.

Simply follow the same way I have followed and you can also prove the

of the existence of God. However, every loudmouthed atheist I have
communicated with so far has refused. Why? They would rather hear their
bellows of stupidity. How about you?

Me? I'm a Christian. I believe in God. But I probably don't believe in

But you refuse to tell us exactly what way you have followed, and why it
works. Again, what makes you so special? What makes *your* way right?

Again, I ask you, prove by logic the existence of God. You did say you

do it, didn't you?

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith

DW Suiter
Son of God


"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BE2169DC.A841%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...

in article 10vnth28f1uq681@corp.supernews.com, DW Suiter at
dwsuiter@toast.net wrote on 01/29/05 4:46 PM:

You have committed the error of confusing me with a religionist.

Not at all. You simply have your own brand of crankdom, it appears. You

bust

out all ready to condemn others. You do not reason, or even present an
argument for the most part. You seem pretty handy with the insults --

which

doesn't square with any Scriptural principle that I am aware of.

Assumptions
are dangerous.

You should learn that.

You should also learn what logic *is*

Why do you think God does not possess and use logic?

I told you, and gave you Scripture. You simply ignore it, oh "Son of

God does not think like we do. He said so Himself.

Every principle of God
is comprised of both logic and reason.

Scripture, please.

Man did not create either logic or
reason.

Reasoning is something that many species possess. But man certainly did
create logic. Man wrote the rules. The rules of logic are not passed

in

Scripture.

He discovered he was able to use it. How do you think man was
endowed with a mind and the ability to use logic and reason? It is God

who

creates a mind in mankind that is able to use logic and reason in
understanding and obeying the higher principles or "ways" of God which
create a way of life; a way of living. No person is able to know these
principles, nor live this life, unless and until they have been taught

these

by God, not man nor man's religious organizations.

Oh, I see! You are "special"! *You* have a "direct connection"? Please

tell

us more about this.

Christianity has always been exoteric, not esoteric. You are espousing

esoteric knowledge, which is anathema to Scriptural principles.

Using logic a person may only argue belief or opinion unless a person

has

proved a matter and has gained sure knowledge of the matter. He need

prove all existing matters, but the one he presents his word on and
addresses. In this instance it is the matter of the existence of God.

Well then, by all means! Prove to us logically the existence of God. I
eagerly await your work. Please note that there are several of us who

do our best to make sure that you have not copied it from another

Unfortunately, "sure knowledge" is a scarce thing in this universe.

the fact that you do not appear to know what logic really is, I rather

doubt

that you possess such "sure knowledge" and can prove God's existence.

But please, feel free to prove me wrong. I would greatly appreciate

a

bona fide proof of God for once.

And by the way. A word to the wise (you are wise, aren't you?). It is

polite

to respond to the message. Top-posting makes you look like a pompous

who

is too full of himself to answer what people have written and too

to actually do so if he tried. Now, since you are obviously neither of

these

things, please do the polite thing and stop making yourself look

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith

DW Suiter
Son of God

"Raymond Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote in message
news:BE2135EB.A7F5%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net...

in article 10vnaiajh9lopc5@corp.supernews.com, DW Suiter at
dwsuiter@toast.net wrote on 01/29/05 11:23 AM:

Your inability to identify logic reveals your stupidity. Your mere

belief is

illogical compared to possession of sure knowledge. But, as with

idiots

you believe your beliefs justify your illogical statements.

(Hint) prove a matter before you argue your beliefs.

Are you able to understand the logic in proving a matter?

DW Suiter
Son of God

OK, DW. You are a "Son of God", right? So let's get the ground rules

clear.

First, it doesn't matter what anyone else does or says -- insults and

taunts

are not appropriate for a person who is trying to convey truth,

particularly

if they claim it to be "Christian" truth. It directly contradicts the
instructions given to those who presume to teach in 1 and 2 Timothy,

and

specifically 2 Timothy 2:24-26.

If you are going to prove yourself to be logical -- and you haven't

done

so

yet in this thread that I have seen -- you need to start using it.

Taunting

others with their supposed lack of it does not demonstrate your own

mastery

of it, nor does your assertion of it as being one of God's qualities

make

it

so.

Now I am probably the first to appreciate logic in proving a

seeing that I teach the subject matter on a frequent basis. But the

fact

is

that no one, not even you, proves everything before he argues his

beliefs.

One can do the best one can, and one can be taught how to do better.

But

then, there are some things you believe that you can never prove.

existence, for example.

But granted that God exists and has a superior intellect, what on

makes you think that God would use "logic"? Logic is a human-devised

tool

of

reasoning that allows us to take the limited information we have,

formulate

premises and draw conclusions. God has no need of logic, seeing He

already

knows all things. And in any case, Isaiah has God saying "For my

thoughts

are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

For

as

the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than

ways,

and my thoughts than your thoughts" (55:8-9). Claiming God to be

logical

seems to be an attempt to make Him more human and less God-like.

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith

"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:ha1nv05jum1g4js35a59pr95u5jhpss6js@4ax.com...

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:39:50 -0600, "DW Suiter"

wrote:

If you knew God or anything about God, you could understand the

superior

intellect of God which includes logic. Why would any person,

including

a

person of God, do something illogical and/or unreasonable? Your

thoughts

are

illogical.

Son, I get the distinct impression you wouldn't know logic if it
jumped up and bit your nose off.

DW Suiter
Son of God

On 29 Jan 2005 03:31:36 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:

If a god concept is omnipotent then could it do the logically
impossible?

That would depend on whether the god is, or is not, limited by logic.

That sure would throw a wrench in our philosophical and
theological gearboxes wouldn't it?

No, since neither god, an omnipotent one limited by logic, nor an
omnipotent one not limited by logic, if it was constrained by the
other Christian definitions of their god, could exist.

If so, shouldn't you Atheists and Theists give Agnosticism some

consideration?

Most atheists, and many theists, *ARE* agnostic, inasmuch as we don't
make claims for which we have no evidence.
--
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife,

Luke 14:26
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