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"Iain" |
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29 Nov 2004 01:16:25 PM |
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If God made all life... |
....why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
29 Nov 2004 08:05:54 PM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
He didn't. There isn't.
<PLONK>
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Freedom of thought entails no "Intellectual Property".
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
01 Dec 2004 10:09:13 AM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
He didn't. There isn't.
There is, but not from my cat.
~Iain
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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29 Nov 2004 07:09:44 PM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
oh yeah man - and how about a pile of worms puked up by my puppy? just
nasty....
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| User: "jbm2004" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
29 Nov 2004 02:39:13 PM |
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(Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
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| User: "Ken Shackleton" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
29 Nov 2004 11:23:41 PM |
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"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:39:13 +0000 (UTC), jbm2004 <skippy@hotmail.com>
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iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Because he's an intollerant homophobic SOB. Haven't you read his
book? He also hates women, which is why they get it easier than men
do among the heterosexuals.
If that's the case then God must love lesbians.....their incidence of AIDS
is considerablty lower than most other groups.....and he must really hate
Africans and Haitians.....AIDS is very bad there.
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| User: "Thomas H. Faller" |
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01 Dec 2004 09:54:13 AM |
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Ken Shackleton wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:39:13 +0000 (UTC), jbm2004 <skippy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Because he's an intollerant homophobic SOB. Haven't you read his
book? He also hates women, which is why they get it easier than men
do among the heterosexuals.
If that's the case then God must love lesbians.....their incidence of AIDS
is considerablty lower than most other groups.....and he must really hate
Africans and Haitians.....AIDS is very bad there.
Of course He loves lesbians. There's something hard to explain about
watching two women tenderly make love... especially explaining it
to your wife...
Tom Faller
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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01 Dec 2004 07:07:49 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:54:13 +0000, Thomas H. Faller wrote:
Ken Shackleton wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:39:13 +0000 (UTC), jbm2004 <skippy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Because he's an intollerant homophobic SOB. Haven't you read his
book? He also hates women, which is why they get it easier than men
do among the heterosexuals.
If that's the case then God must love lesbians.....their incidence of
AIDS is considerablty lower than most other groups.....and he must
really hate Africans and Haitians.....AIDS is very bad there.
Of course He loves lesbians. There's something hard to explain about
watching two women tenderly make love... especially explaining it to your
wife...
Why you're watching her...?
Oh my, I've said too much.
Tom Faller
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Don't blame me -- I voted for the other guy.
--Daniel Harper
(Insert my name and change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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30 Nov 2004 01:06:56 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:23:41 +0000 (UTC), Ken Shackleton
<ken.shackleton@shaw.ca> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:39:13 +0000 (UTC), jbm2004 <skippy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Because he's an intollerant homophobic SOB. Haven't you read his
book? He also hates women, which is why they get it easier than men
do among the heterosexuals.
If that's the case then God must love lesbians
What guy doesn't :) Just proves that God is a male.
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| User: "nJb" |
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02 Dec 2004 09:22:17 PM |
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"A. Carlson" wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:23:41 +0000 (UTC), Ken Shackleton
<ken.shackleton@shaw.ca> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:39:13 +0000 (UTC), jbm2004 <skippy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Because he's an intollerant homophobic SOB. Haven't you read his
book? He also hates women, which is why they get it easier than men
do among the heterosexuals.
If that's the case then God must love lesbians
What guy doesn't :) Just proves that God is a male.
That, and the fact that a man's ***** isn't on his chin.
Jack
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| User: "Ken Shackleton" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
30 Nov 2004 08:46:09 PM |
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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jbm2004 <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Allegedly it was to punish homosexuals, although God must really have
hated monkeys first, them being the species to have it before humans.
He loves lesbians though.....their incidence of AIDS is very low.
~Iain
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| User: "Mike Goodrich" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
29 Nov 2004 03:19:00 PM |
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"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats' arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash your back?
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| User: "Ken Shackleton" |
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02 Dec 2004 09:42:50 PM |
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"Kevyn Winkless" <umwinkl0@cc.REMOVEumanitoba.ca> wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:00:21 +0000 (UTC), (J McCoy)
wrote:
"Steven J." <sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
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"J McCoy" < > wrote in message
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:19:00 +0000 (UTC),
Mike Goodrich <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote:
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash
your
back?
I didn't see an answer in there. Why did God create the HIV virus?
Why did man violate the laws of God and bring upon himself the HIV
virus?
Killing and eating chimpanzees is against the laws of God? Mind you, I
have
no particular objection to this position, but from you I find it vaguely
surprising.
That is, most likely, how the HIV virus entered the human population.
It
started as a mutant variant (at least two mutant variants, actually) of
chimpanzee SIV (the simian immune virus) -- this is supported by genetic
comparisons of different HIV and SIV strains. The virus appparently
entered
the human population when chimpanzees were hunted and butchered for food
in
Africa (this is messy work, and chimp blood can easily come into contact
with the blood of the human butchers).
Now, the virus has subsequently spread via a variety of sexual contacts
(heterosexual, homosexual, marital and otherwise), blood transfusions,
and
shared needles (in both intravenous drug abuse and medical injections in
nations which don't use disposable needles). Again, I would think that
you
would regard some of these activities as allowable under the laws of
God.
Interesting how you can repeat a matter as if it were fact. I don't
accept the idea tha HIV came from monkeys.
That's a shame since the origin of HIV in SIV variants has been quite
well established since the mid 1990s.
I simply say that I don't
know if that were true. Given the state of science these days, that
activism has infiltrated it and has distorted it, I properly claim
that "scientists" cannot be trusted. But Levitical law does forbid
eating monkeys. It also forbids mating with animals as a dispicable
thing. By the way, you don't need to have a virus in order to disable
your immune system.
True enough.
Sodomy may be one way to which this may occur,
Evidence for this?
so
that, yes, the heterosexual community may have disabled immune
systems.
I can see that you're attempting to give a rational explanation as to
how HIV virus, supposedly originated, suggesting that it's not an act
of the violation of God's law. But as one theologian has said, even
if you could explain every point of disastrous origin
naturalistically, and prove it, that wouldn't prove that God doesn't
exist or that the law of God wasn't violated. It merely means that
judgement came about in an unexpected channel.
Speaking of rational explanations, perhaps you could rationally
explain the "fact" that HIV was an act of special creation intended to
punish homosexuality to the people of Africa, among whom most new
cases of HIV are young women? (often married)
While he's at it...perhaps he can also explain why God left lesbians alone
with respect to AIDS....lesbians that do not use intraveneous drugs rarely
contract AIDS. Maybe God has a preference for lesbians?
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| User: "fencingsax" |
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03 Dec 2004 12:19:57 AM |
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Ken Shackleton <ken.shackleton@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<LuRrd.414611$nl.257394@pd7tw3no>...
"Kevyn Winkless" <umwinkl0@cc.REMOVEumanitoba.ca> wrote in message
news:psivq099kmhcnompeelb9clr9jbte902c6@4ax.com...
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:00:21 +0000 (UTC), (J McCoy)
wrote:
"Steven J." <sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<10qt4dngmeuiqa0@corp.supernews.com>...
"J McCoy" < > wrote in message
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:19:00 +0000 (UTC),
Mike Goodrich <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote:
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash
your
back?
I didn't see an answer in there. Why did God create the HIV virus?
Why did man violate the laws of God and bring upon himself the HIV
virus?
Killing and eating chimpanzees is against the laws of God? Mind you, I
have
no particular objection to this position, but from you I find it vaguely
surprising.
That is, most likely, how the HIV virus entered the human population.
It
started as a mutant variant (at least two mutant variants, actually) of
chimpanzee SIV (the simian immune virus) -- this is supported by genetic
comparisons of different HIV and SIV strains. The virus appparently
entered
the human population when chimpanzees were hunted and butchered for food
in
Africa (this is messy work, and chimp blood can easily come into contact
with the blood of the human butchers).
Now, the virus has subsequently spread via a variety of sexual contacts
(heterosexual, homosexual, marital and otherwise), blood transfusions,
and
shared needles (in both intravenous drug abuse and medical injections in
nations which don't use disposable needles). Again, I would think that
you
would regard some of these activities as allowable under the laws of
God.
Interesting how you can repeat a matter as if it were fact. I don't
accept the idea tha HIV came from monkeys.
That's a shame since the origin of HIV in SIV variants has been quite
well established since the mid 1990s.
I simply say that I don't
know if that were true. Given the state of science these days, that
activism has infiltrated it and has distorted it, I properly claim
that "scientists" cannot be trusted. But Levitical law does forbid
eating monkeys. It also forbids mating with animals as a dispicable
thing. By the way, you don't need to have a virus in order to disable
your immune system.
you mean to have a disabled immune system
True enough.
Sodomy may be one way to which this may occur,
What? I think you may have been talking about something else, and it
was unfortunately bumped down here.
Evidence for this?
so
that, yes, the heterosexual community may have disabled immune
systems.
I can see that you're attempting to give a rational explanation as to
how HIV virus, supposedly originated, suggesting that it's not an act
of the violation of God's law. But as one theologian has said, even
if you could explain every point of disastrous origin
naturalistically, and prove it, that wouldn't prove that God doesn't
exist or that the law of God wasn't violated. It merely means that
judgement came about in an unexpected channel.
Wouldn't prove Gods did exist, or their laws were violated either. We
don't know if it is judgement or not. I suspect not.
Speaking of rational explanations, perhaps you could rationally
explain the "fact" that HIV was an act of special creation intended to
punish homosexuality to the people of Africa, among whom most new
cases of HIV are young women? (often married)
Where do you get this "special creation"? How is it punishing
homosexuals?
Your sources are wrong, by the way. Heterosexuals do not have a
significantly lower ROT than homosexuals do.
While he's at it...perhaps he can also explain why God left lesbians alone
with respect to AIDS....lesbians that do not use intraveneous drugs rarely
contract AIDS. Maybe God has a preference for lesbians?
Do lesbians swap transmittable fluids as often as heterosexual or gay
males do?
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| User: "Kevyn Winkless" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
03 Dec 2004 05:28:47 PM |
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:19:57 +0000 (UTC),
(fencingsax) wrote:
Ken Shackleton <ken.shackleton@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<LuRrd.414611$nl.257394@pd7tw3no>...
"Kevyn Winkless" <umwinkl0@cc.REMOVEumanitoba.ca> wrote in message
news:psivq099kmhcnompeelb9clr9jbte902c6@4ax.com...
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:00:21 +0000 (UTC), (J McCoy)
wrote:
"Steven J." <sjt1957NOSPAM@nts.link.net.INVALID> wrote in message
news:<10qt4dngmeuiqa0@corp.supernews.com>...
"J McCoy" < > wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0412011837.464917d3@posting.google.com...
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<slrncqn8o5.d1.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:19:00 +0000 (UTC),
Mike Goodrich <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote:
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash
your
back?
I didn't see an answer in there. Why did God create the HIV virus?
Why did man violate the laws of God and bring upon himself the HIV
virus?
Killing and eating chimpanzees is against the laws of God? Mind you, I
have
no particular objection to this position, but from you I find it vaguely
surprising.
That is, most likely, how the HIV virus entered the human population.
It
started as a mutant variant (at least two mutant variants, actually) of
chimpanzee SIV (the simian immune virus) -- this is supported by genetic
comparisons of different HIV and SIV strains. The virus appparently
entered
the human population when chimpanzees were hunted and butchered for food
in
Africa (this is messy work, and chimp blood can easily come into contact
with the blood of the human butchers).
Now, the virus has subsequently spread via a variety of sexual contacts
(heterosexual, homosexual, marital and otherwise), blood transfusions,
and
shared needles (in both intravenous drug abuse and medical injections in
nations which don't use disposable needles). Again, I would think that
you
would regard some of these activities as allowable under the laws of
God.
Interesting how you can repeat a matter as if it were fact. I don't
accept the idea tha HIV came from monkeys.
That's a shame since the origin of HIV in SIV variants has been quite
well established since the mid 1990s.
I simply say that I don't
know if that were true. Given the state of science these days, that
activism has infiltrated it and has distorted it, I properly claim
that "scientists" cannot be trusted. But Levitical law does forbid
eating monkeys. It also forbids mating with animals as a dispicable
thing. By the way, you don't need to have a virus in order to disable
your immune system.
you mean to have a disabled immune system
True enough.
Sodomy may be one way to which this may occur,
What? I think you may have been talking about something else, and it
was unfortunately bumped down here.
Evidence for this?
so
that, yes, the heterosexual community may have disabled immune
systems.
I can see that you're attempting to give a rational explanation as to
how HIV virus, supposedly originated, suggesting that it's not an act
of the violation of God's law. But as one theologian has said, even
if you could explain every point of disastrous origin
naturalistically, and prove it, that wouldn't prove that God doesn't
exist or that the law of God wasn't violated. It merely means that
judgement came about in an unexpected channel.
Wouldn't prove Gods did exist, or their laws were violated either. We
don't know if it is judgement or not. I suspect not.
Speaking of rational explanations, perhaps you could rationally
explain the "fact" that HIV was an act of special creation intended to
punish homosexuality to the people of Africa, among whom most new
cases of HIV are young women? (often married)
Where do you get this "special creation"? How is it punishing
homosexuals?
Your sources are wrong, by the way. Heterosexuals do not have a
significantly lower ROT than homosexuals do.
Please note that a) here you are responding to me, not to McCoy; and
b) that my point was that if HIV1 or HIV2 had been specially created
to punish homosexuality (which I don't believe, thus the "scare"
quotes around the word fact) it would not be such a problem among
children whose only crime was to be born of a woman with HIV and young
women whose only crime was to have a husband/partner who is infected.
While he's at it...perhaps he can also explain why God left lesbians alone
with respect to AIDS....lesbians that do not use intraveneous drugs rarely
contract AIDS. Maybe God has a preference for lesbians?
Do lesbians swap transmittable fluids as often as heterosexual or gay
males do?
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
03 Dec 2004 09:36:33 PM |
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"Kevyn Winkless" <umwinkl0@cc.REMOVEumanitoba.ca> wrote in message
snippa bunch
Please note that a) here you are responding to me, not to McCoy; and
b) that my point was that if HIV1 or HIV2 had been specially created
to punish homosexuality (which I don't believe, thus the "scare"
quotes around the word fact) it would not be such a problem among
children whose only crime was to be born of a woman with HIV and young
women whose only crime was to have a husband/partner who is infected.
motto reputed to be popular in Vietnam
"Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!!!"
RJ Pease
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/04
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| User: "Milan" |
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04 Dec 2004 07:51:20 PM |
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"Bob Pease" <robertjp@askmeinapost.com> wrote in message
news:corc5t$bni@dispatch.concentric.net...
"Kevyn Winkless" <umwinkl0@cc.REMOVEumanitoba.ca> wrote in message
snippa bunch
Please note that a) here you are responding to me, not to McCoy; and
b) that my point was that if HIV1 or HIV2 had been specially created
to punish homosexuality (which I don't believe, thus the "scare"
quotes around the word fact) it would not be such a problem among
children whose only crime was to be born of a woman with HIV and young
women whose only crime was to have a husband/partner who is infected.
motto reputed to be popular in Vietnam
"Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!!!"
RJ Pease
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when Christians
launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just before attacking a
town where many cathars lived one of the commanders asked the lord who had
financed the army how they would tell christians from cathars. The lord is
supposed to have answered: "Kill them all, God will know his own". And they
killed all 20,000 inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
05 Dec 2004 11:35:34 AM |
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In article <31f8paF37gstiU2@individual.net>,
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when Christians
launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just before attacking a
town where many cathars lived one of the commanders asked the lord who had
financed the army how they would tell christians from cathars. The lord is
supposed to have answered: "Kill them all, God will know his own". And they
killed all 20,000 inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
Why didn't they just give everyone poison? Jesus said his followers
could drink deadly poison and it would not hurt them.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Steven J." |
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| Title: Re: If God made all life... |
05 Dec 2004 06:15:06 PM |
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"Walter Bushell" <proto@panix.com> wrote in message
news:proto-BFB465.12534805122004@reader1.panix.com...
In article <31f8paF37gstiU2@individual.net>,
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when Christians
launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just before attacking
a
town where many cathars lived one of the commanders asked the lord who
had
financed the army how they would tell christians from cathars. The lord
is
supposed to have answered: "Kill them all, God will know his own". And
they
killed all 20,000 inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
Why didn't they just give everyone poison? Jesus said his followers
could drink deadly poison and it would not hurt them.
That passage, at the end of the gospel of Mark, was not part of the original
gospel, but was added at a later date (it is not found in the earliest
texts, and is one of two alternate endings attached in later manuscripts
after the finding of the empty tomb). The "snake handling" part is, almost
surely, an allusion to the story in Acts of how Paul on the island of Malta
was bitten by a snake and did not suffer any ill from the attack. The
"poison drinking" part may allude to an extrabiblical story of an attempted
poisoning of the Apostle John (the poison turned into a snake and leaped out
of the cup, possibly accounting for the famous apothecary's symbol).
Even taking into account that the passage was long taken to be a part of the
original gospel (and some KJV-onliers still hold it so), it seems less a
promise that true followers of Jesus would be immune to poison than that God
would grant miraculous protection to the original disciples to aid the
original spread of the gospel. Taking it as either a guarantee to all
believers, much less as a recommendation as to conduct, seems a 20th-century
innovation, rather like finding references to atoms and the second law of
thermodynamics in Hebrews.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
-- Steven J.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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05 Dec 2004 10:15:39 PM |
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Steven J. wrote:
"Walter Bushell" <proto@panix.com> wrote in message
news:proto-BFB465.12534805122004@reader1.panix.com...
In article <31f8paF37gstiU2@individual.net>,
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when Christians
launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just before
attacking a
town where many cathars lived one of the commanders asked the lord who
had
financed the army how they would tell christians from cathars. The lord
is
supposed to have answered: "Kill them all, God will know his own". And
they
killed all 20,000 inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
Why didn't they just give everyone poison? Jesus said his followers
could drink deadly poison and it would not hurt them.
That passage, at the end of the gospel of Mark, was not part of the
original gospel, but was added at a later date (it is not found in the
earliest texts, and is one of two alternate endings attached in later
manuscripts
after the finding of the empty tomb). The "snake handling" part is,
almost surely, an allusion to the story in Acts of how Paul on the island
of Malta
was bitten by a snake and did not suffer any ill from the attack.
I would rather suspect it was taken from Luke 10:19
"And behold, I give you the power to tread on serpents and scorpions
and over all the power of the enemy and nothing by any means shall
hurt you."
Like wise in Luke 21 where the 5 or more women tell
of the empty tomb and are not believed, later manuscripts
added the verse where Peter later does go to the tomb,
echoing John 20.
This is also not in early scripts.
The woman taken in adultery is another example of a later
addition, sometimes found in Matthew in some manuscripts
in John.
The
"poison drinking" part may allude to an extrabiblical story of an
attempted poisoning of the Apostle John (the poison turned into a snake
and leaped out of the cup, possibly accounting for the famous apothecary's
symbol).
Even taking into account that the passage was long taken to be a part of
the original gospel (and some KJV-onliers still hold it so), it seems less
a promise that true followers of Jesus would be immune to poison than that
God would grant miraculous protection to the original disciples to aid the
original spread of the gospel. Taking it as either a guarantee to all
believers, much less as a recommendation as to conduct, seems a
20th-century innovation, rather like finding references to atoms and the
second law of thermodynamics in Hebrews.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
-- Steven J.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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05 Dec 2004 11:52:57 AM |
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In article <proto-BFB465.12534805122004@reader1.panix.com>,
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
In article <31f8paF37gstiU2@individual.net>,
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when Christians
launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just before attacking a
town where many cathars lived one of the commanders asked the lord who had
financed the army how they would tell christians from cathars. The lord is
supposed to have answered: "Kill them all, God will know his own". And they
killed all 20,000 inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
Why didn't they just give everyone poison? Jesus said his followers
could drink deadly poison and it would not hurt them.
"Yes, please ignore this army amassed on the outskirts of your town. We
bring only good tidings, and offer a brotherly drink of hemlo--er, wine."
- Felix
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05 Dec 2004 03:27:24 PM |
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Double Felix <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote:
In article <proto-BFB465.12534805122004@reader1.panix.com>,
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
In article <31f8paF37gstiU2@individual.net>,
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when
Christians launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just
before attacking a town where many cathars lived one of the
commanders asked the lord who had financed the army how they would
tell christians from cathars. The lord is supposed to have answered:
"Kill them all, God will know his own". And they killed all 20,000
inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
Why didn't they just give everyone poison? Jesus said his followers
could drink deadly poison and it would not hurt them.
"Yes, please ignore this army amassed on the outskirts of your town. We
bring only good tidings, and offer a brotherly drink of hemlo--er, wine."
"They were both poisoned. I spent the past few years acquiring an
immunity to hemlock."
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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05 Dec 2004 03:45:20 PM |
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In article <1god49g.1c9valy1qg1o1eN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
Double Felix <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote:
In article <proto-BFB465.12534805122004@reader1.panix.com>,
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
In article <31f8paF37gstiU2@individual.net>,
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when
Christians launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just
before attacking a town where many cathars lived one of the
commanders asked the lord who had financed the army how they would
tell christians from cathars. The lord is supposed to have answered:
"Kill them all, God will know his own". And they killed all 20,000
inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
Why didn't they just give everyone poison? Jesus said his followers
could drink deadly poison and it would not hurt them.
"Yes, please ignore this army amassed on the outskirts of your town. We
bring only good tidings, and offer a brotherly drink of hemlo--er, wine."
"They were both poisoned. I spent the past few years acquiring an
immunity to hemlock."
But how do you get 20,000 people to drink it when purple Kool-Ade hadn't
been invented yet?
- Felix
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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05 Dec 2004 04:55:46 PM |
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In article <nick-79CF3D.10074205122004@news.west.cox.net>,
Double Felix <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote:
In article <proto-BFB465.12534805122004@reader1.panix.com>,
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
In article <31f8paF37gstiU2@individual.net>,
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
That line is supposed to originate in the 12th century, when Christians
launched a crusade against the cathars. Apparently, just before attacking
a
town where many cathars lived one of the commanders asked the lord who
had
financed the army how they would tell christians from cathars. The lord
is
supposed to have answered: "Kill them all, God will know his own". And
they
killed all 20,000 inhabitants and burned the town down.
regards
Milan
Why didn't they just give everyone poison? Jesus said his followers
could drink deadly poison and it would not hurt them.
"Yes, please ignore this army amassed on the outskirts of your town. We
bring only good tidings, and offer a brotherly drink of hemlo--er, wine."
- Felix
Hemlock wine. I mean the Greeks do make and _drink_ wine with resin.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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29 Nov 2004 04:41:29 PM |
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"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aAMqd.9728$T02.1428@lakeread06:
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash your
back?
Forget all that. Why didn't God make my arms flexible enough for me to
*scratch* my back. What a jerk.
Chris
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| User: "towelie" |
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29 Nov 2004 10:16:58 PM |
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TV's Chris Thompson wrote:
"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aAMqd.9728$T02.1428@lakeread06:
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash your
back?
Forget all that. Why didn't God make my arms flexible enough for me to
*scratch* my back. What a jerk.
Why didn't he make my weiner bigger?
--
"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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30 Nov 2004 07:36:51 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:312bckF329uftU1@uni-berlin.de:
TV's Chris Thompson wrote:
"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aAMqd.9728$T02.1428@lakeread06:
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash
your back?
Forget all that. Why didn't God make my arms flexible enough for me
to *scratch* my back. What a jerk.
Why didn't he make my weiner bigger?
Are you talking about the fall?
--
Chris
aa#2186
Black helicopter mind-control-ray door-gunner
=====
"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and
then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so
as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry
on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that
sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually
on a battlefield." --George Orwell, 1946, "Under Your Nose"
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| User: "Bob Pease" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:27:46 AM |
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"Chris Thompson" <cthompson@TAKEOUTbmcc.cuny.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns95B15A2615F22erx99a24zbatTAKEOUTh@128.228.100.230...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:312bckF329uftU1@uni-berlin.de:
TV's Chris Thompson wrote:
"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:aAMqd.9728$T02.1428@lakeread06:
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash
your back?
Forget all that. Why didn't God make my arms flexible enough for me
to *scratch* my back. What a jerk.
Why didn't he make my weiner bigger?
Nantucket already has too many residents!!
RJ P
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/04
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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29 Nov 2004 04:33:09 PM |
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"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aAMqd.9728$T02.1428@lakeread06...
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash your
back?
Indeed, why not? Since the god is omnipotent, it would require zero effort
on the god's part to cater to our every whim.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Mike Goodrich" |
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29 Nov 2004 05:45:13 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:guydnfgpQ9xEOzbcRVn-2g@io.com...
"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aAMqd.9728$T02.1428@lakeread06...
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash your
back?
Indeed, why not? Since the god is omnipotent, it would require zero effort
on the god's part to cater to our every whim.
So why doesn't He cater to our every whim?
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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29 Nov 2004 07:48:26 PM |
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"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:gJOqd.4110$wa1.3635@lakeread04:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:guydnfgpQ9xEOzbcRVn-2g@io.com...
"Mike Goodrich" <goodrich_ms@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aAMqd.9728$T02.1428@lakeread06...
"jbm2004" <skippy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tt2nq0pm195jqqi7vqidmrod56re5r4q57@4ax.com...
iain_inkster@hotmail.com (Iain) schreef:
...why does life involve handfuls of maggots coming from cats'
arseholes?
~Iain
Why did God create the aids virus ?
Hans
Why does God let anyone die?
Why doesn't God make your coffee for you in the morning and wash
your back?
Indeed, why not? Since the god is omnipotent, it would require zero
effort on the god's part to cater to our every whim.
So why doesn't He cater to our every whim?
(A-whim away, A-whim away, A-whim away, A-whim away)
(A-whim away, A-whim away, A-whim away, A-whim away)
In the jungle, the mighty jungle
The lion sleeps tonight
In the jungle the quiet jungle
The lion sleeps tonight
--
Gary Bohn
http://creativeexplore.blogspot.com/
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