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22 Mar 2005 01:04:29 PM |
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If I was in a coma, would you pull the plug on me? |
I hope not :( If you were, I would not pull the plug on you. Especially
if you weren't in a coma but rather a "vegetative state" where you're
actually conscious and responsive but just can't talk like Terri
Schaivo is. I would pray for you to get better.
May Jesus be with Terri Schaivo and me and you if we get in a coma
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| User: "the Bede" |
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22 Mar 2005 04:32:39 PM |
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"if"?
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| User: "Jebus Saves" |
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23 Mar 2005 02:52:08 AM |
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<livingdjinn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I hope not :( If you were, I would not pull the plug on you. Especially
if you weren't in a coma but rather a "vegetative state" where you're
actually conscious and responsive but just can't talk like Terri
Schaivo is. I would pray for you to get better.
May Jesus be with Terri Schaivo and me and you if we get in a coma
Take your Jesus and shove him up your fucking *****. Terry Schiavo died 15
years ago, what is in that body has no cognitive thought and no ability to
function at any level. Basically she is a Bush voter.
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| User: "No Name" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:22:12 AM |
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There's three things I hate. Girls, women and "Jebus Saves"
<GeorgeWBush@DrunkCriminalTraitorDumbasses.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005
08:52:08 GMT this person wrote:
<livingdjinn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111518269.319639.6350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
I hope not :( If you were, I would not pull the plug on you. Especially
if you weren't in a coma but rather a "vegetative state" where you're
actually conscious and responsive but just can't talk like Terri
Schaivo is. I would pray for you to get better.
May Jesus be with Terri Schaivo and me and you if we get in a coma
Take your Jesus and shove him up your fucking *****. Terry Schiavo died 15
years ago, what is in that body has no cognitive thought and no ability to
function at any level.
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Maybe she does.
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My parents were wrong to name me No, especially when
they knew our lastname was Name. You guys don't even
want to know my middle name, ok you got me, it's Freaking.
My name is No Freaking Name, No Name for short.
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| User: "Sue" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:58:34 AM |
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How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15 times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound medical
reason to hope she can recover?
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| User: "Delta Nine" |
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23 Mar 2005 07:24:59 AM |
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Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15 times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound medical
reason to hope she can recover?
Nope, they have Faith(tm) telling them that she'll recover. After all,
god has a plan for all of us. In her case, I guess the plan involves
lying motionless on a bed with a myriad of tubes and wires sticking out
of her. For 15 years and counting. WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
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Peace,
Delta Nine
Fate and Karma have intensely focused American stupidity, greed,
gluttony, and foolish nationalism into one finely-honed and
monkey-headed pontiff.
- DancingLavoisier
Completely baffled by the backward indication that an inspired word will
come across your tongue.
- Beck
I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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23 Mar 2005 09:05:07 AM |
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Delta Nine <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> astounded us with:
news:L6e0e.2333$S46.188@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15 times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound medical
reason to hope she can recover?
Nope, they have Faith(tm) telling them that she'll recover. After all,
god has a plan for all of us. In her case, I guess the plan involves
lying motionless on a bed with a myriad of tubes and wires sticking out
of her. For 15 years and counting. WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
Agreed, and there's more to being alive than being a bleeding heart, guilt
ridden theist moron that wants to impose their mindless will upon others
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
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| User: "Delta Nine" |
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23 Mar 2005 09:28:12 AM |
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Phÿltêr wrote:
Delta Nine <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> astounded us with:
news:L6e0e.2333$S46.188@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15 times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound medical
reason to hope she can recover?
Nope, they have Faith(tm) telling them that she'll recover. After all,
god has a plan for all of us. In her case, I guess the plan involves
lying motionless on a bed with a myriad of tubes and wires sticking out
of her. For 15 years and counting. WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
Agreed, and there's more to being alive than being a bleeding heart, guilt
ridden theist moron that wants to impose their mindless will upon others
You know, if her parents had pulled the plug earlier they could've
gotten to Acceptance (or at least Depression) by now. But they haven't
so they're still stuck in Denial.
--
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Peace,
Delta Nine
I would think that people who are inclined to smoke crack aren't going
to change their minds based on the "crack is whack" ad campaign.
-some comedian
Completely baffled by the backward indication that an inspired word will
come across your tongue.
- Beck
I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow
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| User: "No Name" |
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23 Mar 2005 02:38:52 PM |
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There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Delta Nine
<d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:28:12 GMT
this person wrote:
Phÿltêr wrote:
Delta Nine <d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> astounded us with:
news:L6e0e.2333$S46.188@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15 times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound medical
reason to hope she can recover?
Nope, they have Faith(tm) telling them that she'll recover. After all,
god has a plan for all of us. In her case, I guess the plan involves
lying motionless on a bed with a myriad of tubes and wires sticking out
of her. For 15 years and counting. WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
Agreed, and there's more to being alive than being a bleeding heart, guilt
ridden theist moron that wants to impose their mindless will upon others
You know, if her parents had pulled the plug earlier they could've
gotten to Acceptance (or at least Depression) by now. But they haven't
so they're still stuck in Denial.
STFU
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My parents were wrong to name me No, especially when
they knew our lastname was Name. You guys don't even
want to know my middle name, ok you got me, it's Freaking.
My name is No Freaking Name, No Name for short.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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24 Mar 2005 11:40:47 AM |
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On Wednesday 23 March 2005 02:38 pm, No Name wrote:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Delta Nine
<d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:28:12 GMT
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< snip >
You know, if her parents had pulled the plug earlier they could've
gotten to Acceptance (or at least Depression) by now. But they
haven't so they're still stuck in Denial.
STFU
Why? He's right. It's classic grief, and they can't get past denial
because Terri's body is still alive.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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23 Mar 2005 09:28:39 AM |
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Delta Nine wrote:
Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any
level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed
the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite
several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the
parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses
they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other
than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got
her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15
times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to
implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found
that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way
to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she
has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound
medical
reason to hope she can recover?
WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
They have souls and the ability to act humane, unlike you libz.
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
You're a liberal, what would you know about intelligent life?
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| User: "Delta Nine" |
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23 Mar 2005 09:37:52 AM |
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wrote:
Delta Nine wrote:
WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
They have souls and the ability to act humane, unlike you libz.
Prove it. Show me evidence that you have a soul. One single piece of
concrete evidence is all I ask. Besides, what's more inhumane? A clean
dignified death or 15 years of slowly rotting on a bed with your brain
literally turning to mush while you become the Issue of the Month?
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
You're a liberal, what would you know about intelligent life?
Ooh, clever. How long have you been waiting to pull out that one?
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Peace,
Delta Nine
I would think that people who are inclined to smoke crack aren't going
to change their minds based on the "crack is whack" ad campaign.
-some comedian
Completely baffled by the backward indication that an inspired word will
come across your tongue.
- Beck
I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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23 Mar 2005 10:49:48 AM |
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Delta Nine wrote:
Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any
level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed
the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite
several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the
parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses
they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other
than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got
her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15
times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to
implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found
that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way
to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she
has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound
medical
reason to hope she can recover?
WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
They have souls and the ability to act humane, unlike you libz.
Can you interact with liberals without resorting to ad hominem attacks?
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
You're a liberal, what would you know about intelligent life?
Guess not.
When you have an argument, let us know, mkay? Thanks dearie.
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23 Mar 2005 10:00:54 AM |
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By the way, how do you pronounce your name?
--
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Peace,
Delta Nine
I would think that people who are inclined to smoke crack aren't going
to change their minds based on the "crack is whack" ad campaign.
-some comedian
Completely baffled by the backward indication that an inspired word will
come across your tongue.
- Beck
I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow
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| User: "Jez" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:51:07 PM |
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Delta Nine wrote:
mdzrrtrdz@hotmail.com wrote:
By the way, how do you pronounce your name?
'Twat'
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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23 Mar 2005 05:08:16 PM |
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Jez wrote:
Delta Nine wrote:
mdzrrtrdz@hotmail.com wrote:
By the way, how do you pronounce your name?
'Twat'
No, twat is far too good a thing to be associated with this fool. How
'bout just plain old "asshat"?
--
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Peace,
Delta Nine
People who quote themselves are assholes.
- Delta Nine
Completely baffled by the backward indication that an inspired word will
come across your tongue.
- Jack White
I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow
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| User: "Jez" |
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27 Mar 2005 01:23:15 PM |
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Delta Nine wrote:
Jez wrote:
Delta Nine wrote:
mdzrrtrdz@hotmail.com wrote:
By the way, how do you pronounce your name?
'Twat'
No, twat is far too good a thing to be associated with this fool. How
'bout just plain old "asshat"?
LOL ! Works for me !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Delta Nine" |
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27 Mar 2005 06:31:22 PM |
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Jez wrote:
Delta Nine wrote:
Jez wrote:
Delta Nine wrote:
mdzrrtrdz@hotmail.com wrote:
By the way, how do you pronounce your name?
'Twat'
No, twat is far too good a thing to be associated with this fool. How
'bout just plain old "asshat"?
LOL ! Works for me !
Thought you'd see it my way. :)
--
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Peace,
Delta Nine
People who quote themselves are assholes.
- Delta Nine
Completely baffled by the backward indication that an inspired word will
come across your tongue.
- Jack White
I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow
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23 Mar 2005 02:42:38 PM |
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There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Delta Nine
<d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:00:54 GMT
this person wrote:
mdzrrtrdz@hotmail.com wrote:
By the way, how do you pronounce your name?
Why ask such a stupid and pointless question?
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My parents were wrong to name me No, especially when
they knew our lastname was Name. You guys don't even
want to know my middle name, ok you got me, it's Freaking.
My name is No Freaking Name, No Name for short.
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23 Mar 2005 02:40:15 PM |
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There's three things I hate. Girls, women and
On 23 Mar 2005 07:28:39 -0800 this person wrote:
Delta Nine wrote:
Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any
level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed
the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite
several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the
parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses
they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other
than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got
her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15
times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to
implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found
that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way
to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she
has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound
medical
reason to hope she can recover?
WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
They have souls and the ability to act humane, unlike you libz.
Don't pay this guy any attention, he is a 19 year old punk pot head
that loads airplanes with packages.
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
You're a liberal, what would you know about intelligent life?
-----
My parents were wrong to name me No, especially when
they knew our lastname was Name. You guys don't even
want to know my middle name, ok you got me, it's Freaking.
My name is No Freaking Name, No Name for short.
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23 Mar 2005 02:37:46 PM |
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There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Delta Nine
<d_nineNOSPAM@NOSPAMearthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:24:59 GMT
this person wrote:
Sue wrote:
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Maybe she does.
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation. They also reviewed a videotape of the parents
trying to prove that she was responsive, but none of the responses they
claimed were consistent enough to prove they were anything other than
mere reflexes or involuntary reactions. For example, the father got her
to follow a balloon with her eyes once, but failed the other 15 times or
so he tried it. They also mentioned that when they went in to implant
the electrodes in her brain for the stimulation tests, they found that
part of it (I think it was the cerebral cortex) had liquified.
Bottom line, I guess, is that there's no completely foolproof way to say
she has no awareness, but all of the tests that were done said she has
none. Do the parents have any doctors who say there is a sound medical
reason to hope she can recover?
Nope, they have Faith(tm) telling them that she'll recover. After all,
god has a plan for all of us. In her case, I guess the plan involves
lying motionless on a bed with a myriad of tubes and wires sticking out
of her. For 15 years and counting. WTF is wrong with these pro-lifers?
There's more to being alive than a heartbeat.
There is more to being alive than a heartbeat, for example, your life
involves posting angry messages about Christians and pro-lifers on
usenet.
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My parents were wrong to name me No, especially when
they knew our lastname was Name. You guys don't even
want to know my middle name, ok you got me, it's Freaking.
My name is No Freaking Name, No Name for short.
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23 Mar 2005 02:35:50 PM |
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There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Sue
<sueb1863@earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:58:34 GMT this person
wrote:
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just saw
a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
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My parents were wrong to name me No, especially when
they knew our lastname was Name. You guys don't even
want to know my middle name, ok you got me, it's Freaking.
My name is No Freaking Name, No Name for short.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:11:54 PM |
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No Name wrote:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Sue
<sueb1863@earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:58:34 GMT this person
wrote:
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just saw
a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
Assuming the person holding the balloon didn't move it to keep in line with
her eyes, the 15 or so times she did not track would be an indication.
However, if you are correct this means that computers designed to track
objects are alive and can't be turned off.
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| User: "Sam" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:16:01 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
No Name wrote:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Sue
<sueb1863@earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:58:34 GMT this person
wrote:
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just saw
a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
Assuming the person holding the balloon didn't move it to keep in line with
her eyes, the 15 or so times she did not track would be an indication.
However, if you are correct this means that computers designed to track
objects are alive and can't be turned off.
and of course the video may have been a wee bit biased in what it showed
--
Sam
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| User: "Sue" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:11:01 PM |
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Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just saw
a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
They discussed this during the broadcast: It only happened once, and the
fact that she would not repeat the action despite numerous attempts by
her father suggested that the one time she did it, it was not a
conscious action. They even showed him waving the balloon at her and
pleading with her to follow it; she didn't.
The report stressed that it was the fact that Terry was not consistent
in her reactions to stimulus that indicated to the judge overseeing the
ruling that she was not acting voluntarily. Had she been able to repeat
the actions, he said, it would have been a different matter.
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| User: "Delta Nine" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:10:02 PM |
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Sam wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
No Name wrote:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Sue
<sueb1863@earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:58:34 GMT this person
wrote:
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just saw
a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
Assuming the person holding the balloon didn't move it to keep in line
with her eyes, the 15 or so times she did not track would be an
indication.
However, if you are correct this means that computers designed to
track objects are alive and can't be turned off.
and of course the video may have been a wee bit biased in what it showed
Of course it is. Like the person above said, they only showed the 1
time it worked and not the 15-odd times it didn't.
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Peace,
Delta Nine
People who quote themselves are assholes.
- Delta Nine
Completely baffled by the backward indication that an inspired word will
come across your tongue.
- Jack White
I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine.
- T.D. Shadow
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| User: "No Name" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:35:53 PM |
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There's three things I hate. Girls, women and "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:11:54 GMT this
person wrote:
No Name wrote:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Sue
<sueb1863@earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:58:34 GMT this person
wrote:
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just saw
a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
Assuming the person holding the balloon didn't move it to keep in line with
her eyes, the 15 or so times she did not track would be an indication.
However, if you are correct this means that computers designed to track
objects are alive and can't be turned off.
HELLO MCFLY!!! We are talking about a human being not a computer.
Comparing humans to computers is quite stupid.
-----
My parents were wrong to name me No, especially when
they knew our lastname was Name. You guys don't even
want to know my middle name, ok you got me, it's Freaking.
My name is No Freaking Name, No Name for short.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:29:36 PM |
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No Name <none@blank.com> writes:
However, if you are correct this means that computers designed to track
objects are alive and can't be turned off.
HELLO MCFLY!!! We are talking about a human being not a computer.
Comparing humans to computers is quite stupid.
Why?
I mean, Terri's state of being has been far less reactive than a
Roomba's. Her eyes flicker back and forth at random; if you hold a
balloon and wave it back forth often enough, you'll get a take you can
show the world that she's "tracking" the balloon. You have to be
dishonest and throw out the other four hours of videotape, but that's
the kind of game the pro-agony people are playing.
Elf
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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23 Mar 2005 09:20:50 PM |
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No Name wrote:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:11:54 GMT this
person wrote:
No Name wrote:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Sue
<sueb1863@earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:58:34 GMT this
person wrote:
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed
the tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite
several attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just
saw a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
Assuming the person holding the balloon didn't move it to keep in
line with her eyes, the 15 or so times she did not track would be an
indication.
However, if you are correct this means that computers designed to
track objects are alive and can't be turned off.
HELLO MCFLY!!! We are talking about a human being not a computer.
Comparing humans to computers is quite stupid.
I didn't compare them with humans. Frogs track, dogs track, any number of
things track. The ability does not rely on any humanity only life.
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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23 Mar 2005 02:59:05 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:35:50 GMT, No Name <none@blank.com> puked:
There's three things I hate. Girls, women and Sue
<sueb1863@earthlink.net> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:58:34 GMT this person
wrote:
Well, the doctors that were on ABC News the other night discussed the
tests they did which showed no brain activity at all, despite several
attempts at stimulation.
Well those doctors don't know what they are talking about. I just saw
a video of her on tv, they had a balloon above her head and she
followed it when they moved it. How could she follow the balloon by
moving her head and eyes if she had no brain activity?
Ask the same of some of the usenet posters.
--
lab~rat >:-)
The less you care, the more it doesn't matter.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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24 Mar 2005 11:27:11 AM |
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On Wednesday 23 March 2005 04:22 am, No Name wrote:
< snip >
How do you know she has no thought or abilty to function at any level?
Because the experts who have been monitoring her for 15 years say so.
Maybe she does.
The doctors have been looking for any sign of higher functions. They
haven't found any. Her brain is in far worse shape now than it was
right after her heart attack, and she wasn't responsive then, either.
Wishful thinking won't make Terri better.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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