Religions > Atheism > If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
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09 May 2005 07:44:49 AM |
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If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/=ADweb/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath ! (Author unknown)
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
21 May 2005 04:14:58 PM |
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 04:25:29 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <qlpt81p36i6k3qprtvanf85jh87a726gvf@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:05:40 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <9Fcje.9754$i42.4945@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't refute attacks. I just quietly keep teaching what I believe, and
invite any who want to follow.
LDS folks don't (or shouldn't) debate the gospel. We proclaim it.
** "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they
propose a plan -- it is God's plan. When they point the way, there is no
other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of
controversy."
-- *Deseret News*, Church Section, Page 5, May 26, 1945).
ONE NATION
ONE FOLK
ONE FUHRER
• Good point, Thomas since the citizens of the Third Reich were
essentially being told the same thing -- i. e., to let the leaders do
their thinking for them.
cheerz
It fairly screams brainwashing.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
22 May 2005 12:47:28 AM |
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In article <ng7v811g0r9uh5f6g2o5h2bu7ia7ul1fgh@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2005 04:25:29 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <qlpt81p36i6k3qprtvanf85jh87a726gvf@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:05:40 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <9Fcje.9754$i42.4945@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't refute attacks. I just quietly keep teaching what I believe, and
invite any who want to follow.
LDS folks don't (or shouldn't) debate the gospel. We proclaim it.
** "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they
propose a plan -- it is God's plan. When they point the way, there is no
other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of
controversy."
-- *Deseret News*, Church Section, Page 5, May 26, 1945).
ONE NATION
ONE FOLK
ONE FUHRER
• Good point, Thomas since the citizens of the Third Reich were
essentially being told the same thing -- i. e., to let the leaders do
their thinking for them.
cheerz
It fairly screams brainwashing.
• A measured blend of that and thought-control. As I understand their
machinery, the main engine is repeated suggestion by a charismatic leader
combined with peer-group reinforcement.
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
-- Fr. Joseph De Harbe, S.J. - page 77, "A Full Catechism of the
Catholic Religion"
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
22 May 2005 02:09:02 AM |
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 22:47:28 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <ng7v811g0r9uh5f6g2o5h2bu7ia7ul1fgh@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
snip
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
-- Fr. Joseph De Harbe, S.J. - page 77, "A Full Catechism of the
Catholic Religion"
Clearly immoral advice from the Catholic Church's leading experts on
the subject.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
22 May 2005 10:35:56 AM |
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In article <vob091do9kd04qlmjn5ln62qr33agg21gn@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2005 22:47:28 -0700, (• R. L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <ng7v811g0r9uh5f6g2o5h2bu7ia7ul1fgh@4ax.com>, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
snip
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
-- Fr. Joseph De Harbe, S.J. - page 77, "A Full Catechism of the
Catholic Religion"
Clearly immoral advice from the Catholic Church's leading experts on
the subject.
• As I see it, letting anyone else do your thinking for you is
potentially a serious error, except in regard to brain surgery, of course.
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
20 May 2005 03:34:21 PM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 03:17:25 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't refute attacks. I just quietly keep teaching what I believe, and
invite any who want to follow.
LDS folks don't (or shouldn't) debate the gospel. We proclaim it.
In other words you are afraid to face what was written, which, if
true, is a very strong indictment of your church.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"Masked Avenger" <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:428c7963$0$8125$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Name calling. A sure sign of lack of substance.
I'll gladly withdraw the remark if you can refute what I posted ......
hell .... even an attempt would do .....
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Stormin Mormon" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
20 May 2005 08:45:35 PM |
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True according to you..... I put more confidence in true according to the
witness fo the Spirit.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:l5or81huvdce6t0n1t88vkjakaidjfq170@4ax.com...
On Fri, 20 May 2005 03:17:25 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't refute attacks. I just quietly keep teaching what I believe, and
invite any who want to follow.
LDS folks don't (or shouldn't) debate the gospel. We proclaim it.
In other words you are afraid to face what was written, which, if
true, is a very strong indictment of your church.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
21 May 2005 02:54:15 AM |
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 01:45:35 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:l5or81huvdce6t0n1t88vkjakaidjfq170@4ax.com...
On Fri, 20 May 2005 03:17:25 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't refute attacks. I just quietly keep teaching what I believe, and
invite any who want to follow.
LDS folks don't (or shouldn't) debate the gospel. We proclaim it.
In other words you are afraid to face what was written, which, if
true, is a very strong indictment of your church.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
True according to you..... I put more confidence in true according to the
witness fo the Spirit.
You choose to ignore the actual evidence against the claim of
witnessing for "the Spirit". It is a form both of cowardice and
dishonesty to ignore such evidence. It is transparently absurd to
pretend that ignoring evidence is somehow virtuous, and that is what
you are doing here.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
20 May 2005 05:24:36 AM |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
I don't refute attacks. I just quietly keep teaching what I believe, and
invite any who want to follow.
LDS folks don't (or shouldn't) debate the gospel. We proclaim it.
I figured that you would say something like that ...... why is it so
hard to get you guys to use your brain .... ? It's like dealing with one
of those 'speaking menus' on the phone ... " if your enquiry is about
Gospels ... press 1 .... " and then you get a recorded message .....
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 May 2005 10:15:16 AM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:32:41 +1000, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Name calling. A sure sign of lack of substance.
I'll gladly withdraw the remark if you can refute what I posted ......
hell .... even an attempt would do .....
One could almost hear the mental barrier dropping when reading his
non-response.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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14 May 2005 11:11:15 AM |
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In article <1116078402.447726.256620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "g"
<Nuke_dukem@shaw.ca> wrote:
The christian God = the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
• The one and only God who is claimed to have fathered himself as well as
sacrificed Himself in order to save mankind from His eternal damnation..
- "If you understand it, it is not God."
-- from Saint Augustine¹s, Sermon 117.
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "James Ascher" |
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09 May 2005 06:47:52 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
The Christians believe Jesus was True Man and True God; therefore, the
human Jesus "increased" in favor with "god" and Man.
It's just another of their banal dichotomies!
James
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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10 May 2005 05:00:21 AM |
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In article <IESfe.118$OU1.100@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
jwa1968@earthlink.net wrote:
Truth Hunter wrote:
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
The Christians believe Jesus was True Man and True God; therefore, the
human Jesus "increased" in favor with "god" and Man.
It's just another of their banal dichotomies!
• When humans invent doctrine, one should expect a few of these.
cheers, James
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "" |
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10 May 2005 10:23:06 AM |
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Jesus was God but he was also a man. Its strange. Its also strange that
God made man and then wanted man to worship Him. And then God decided
to punish his own creation because it sinned against him.
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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10 May 2005 07:56:39 PM |
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In article <1115738586.492557.59390@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
omart022004@yahoo.ie wrote:
Jesus was God but he was also a man. Its strange. Its also strange that
God made man and then wanted man to worship Him. And then God decided
to punish his own creation because it sinned against him.
** .... and,he impregnated his own mom with himself.
- "If you understand it, it is not God."
-- from Saint Augustine¹s, Sermon 117.
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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10 May 2005 10:45:40 AM |
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On 10 May 2005 08:23:06 -0700, wrote:
Jesus was God but he was also a man. Its strange. Its also strange that
God made man and then wanted man to worship Him. And then God decided
to punish his own creation because it sinned against him.
Outside their religion it's meaningless gobbledygook. Yet they talk at
us as though their premises were universally accepted, and that it
actually meant something.
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| User: "• R. L. Measures" |
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10 May 2005 07:58:21 PM |
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In article <vll181t0hfmg5boaglf5moa6dcvd0lm8oj@4ax.com>, Christopher A.
Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 10 May 2005 08:23:06 -0700, wrote:
Jesus was God but he was also a man. Its strange. Its also strange that
God made man and then wanted man to worship Him. And then God decided
to punish his own creation because it sinned against him.
Outside their religion it's meaningless gobbledygook. Yet they talk at
us as though their premises were universally accepted, and that it
actually meant something.
** Are the Roman church's inculcation techniques effective or what?
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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10 May 2005 01:08:30 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
Maybe so, but the notion that allah is god and moehamhead was his
prophet is even more nonsensical.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath ! (Author unknown)
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? |
09 May 2005 06:24:20 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
True. There are hundreds of verse like this that called
the infantile dogma of the trinity into question.
John 4:11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me
for the very works' sake.
14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do
shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go
unto my Father.
14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may
be glorified in the Son.
14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Here, John is quasi-trinitarian, but it does
not make sense.
No Christian gets these grand miracles, you don't see them raising
the dead, feeding 5,000 with a fish and two loaves,
et al.
But if Jesus is god, does this promise extend to such things
as creating entire worlds, or being able to cause a flood
that covers the highest mountains?
Not that it matters, we get no miracles at all, showing Jesus,
god and Jesus-god make false promises.
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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