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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Truth Hunter"
Date: 09 May 2005 07:44:49 AM
Object: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/=ADweb/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath ! (Author unknown)
.

User: "bam"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 12 May 2005 07:25:49 AM
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote

The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.

Who wants your opinion?
You cannot understand the divine mysteries; the nature of one who is true
God and true man.
We are not required to understand or comprehend the fullness of the Holy
Trinity. We are required to believe it because it was revealed to us by God
who is all good.
BAM
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User: "• R. L. Measures"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 12 May 2005 09:17:53 AM
In article <ZVHge.13857$eJ4.4508@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote

The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.



Who wants your opinion?

You cannot understand the divine mysteries; the nature of one who is true
God and true man.

We are not required to understand or comprehend the fullness of the Holy
Trinity. ...

** And, it goes beyobd that since they are advised to never trust their
own judgement:
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
-- Fr. Joseph De Harbe, S.J. - page 77, "A Full Catechism of the
Catholic Religion"
** No matter whether it's called Catholicism, Mormonism, Muhammadanism,
or Islam, it's all about Submission - - - - to humans who claim to be
God's earthly reps.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
.

User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 12 May 2005 07:33:51 AM
bam wrote:

"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote


The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.




Who wants your opinion?

Nor do we want your opinion in alt.atheism. Please strip newsgroups
that have no relevance. Thanks.


You cannot understand the divine mysteries; the nature of one who is true
God and true man.

Oh, we can understand. We understand very well. We understand that
it's a load of horse-hockey.


We are not required to understand or comprehend the fullness of the Holy
Trinity. We are required to believe it because it was revealed to us by God
who is all good.

How was it revealed to you? Did the voice in your head tell you to
believe? Last person I heard following the voices in their head killed
47 people and said the dog made him do it.
.


User: "Alan Cossey"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 10 May 2005 09:51:09 AM
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1115642689.590017.184740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
<snip of signature stuff>
There is a helpful discussion of this at
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1223.
Alan Cossey
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User: "Stormin Mormon"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 09:08:03 PM
Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.
"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not my will
but my will be done".
Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1115642689.590017.184740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/­web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro­m his own
wrath ! (Author unknown)
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 10:05:19 PM
On 09 May 2005, Stormin Mormon dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.

Is there a gene for this attribute?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
______________
"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
.

User: "Azrael"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 10:20:40 PM
On Tue, 10 May 2005 02:08:03 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.

"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not my will
but my will be done".

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.

Then at best he would be 50% god material and 50% man material, he
would still be seperate from god so a demi-god is more like it and not
part of god but part god, thus christianity is actualy a polythiest
religion.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com

"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1115642689.590017.184740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?

Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."

This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.

The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/­web/faq/faq-tr.html

Bumper Sticker

DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro­m his own
wrath ! (Author unknown)

Azrael
The thiest/diest defense:
1)I believe in god, ergo god exists
2)I believe in god, ergo I know what god wills, wants, the path to god, etc.
3)I believe in god, ergo I am right/correct
4)You don't agree with me, you are wrong (see 1,2,and/or 3 above)
5)You dont' beleive as I do then you are wrong (see 1,2,and/or 3 above)
6)You want proof of god? (see 1,2,and/or 3 above)
7)You have evidence god does not exist (see 1,2,and/or 3 above)
8)If you don't believe as I do you are wrong (see 1,2,and/or 3 above)
There was no "before" the beginning of our universe, because once upon a time there was no time.
John D. Barrow
Question #1: If I get im my spaceship and fly to the very edge of the universe what do I see out the front window?
Question #2: What is the most mass/matter that a black hole can obsorb and what happens after it reaches that point and trys to absorb more matter?
.

User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 10 May 2005 09:06:17 AM
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.

"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not my will
but my will be done".

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com

Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.
User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 10 May 2005 08:12:51 PM

Reply to article by: Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
Date written: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:06:17 +1000
MsgID:<4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>

Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.


"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not my will
but my will be done".


Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.


Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........

So do you, hypocrite.
The Sage
=============================================================
My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Toward no crimes have men shown themselves so cold-bloodedly
cruel as in punishing differences in belief"
-- James Russell Lowell
=============================================================
.
User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 13 May 2005 09:12:48 AM
The_Sage wrote:

Reply to article by: Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
Date written: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:06:17 +1000
MsgID:<4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>



Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.




"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not my will
but my will be done".




Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.




Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........



So do you, hypocrite.

What ? You think the Book of Mormon is legitimate ?
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.
User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 14 May 2005 12:39:54 AM

Reply to article by: Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
Date written: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:12:48 +1000
MsgID:<4284b5e9$0$8122$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>

Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........


So do you, hypocrite.


What ? You think the Book of Mormon is legitimate ?

What? You think your version of the Bible is legitimate and the rest are not?
The Sage
=============================================================
My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Toward no crimes have men shown themselves so cold-bloodedly
cruel as in punishing differences in belief"
-- James Russell Lowell
=============================================================
.
User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 14 May 2005 06:35:14 AM
The_Sage wrote:

Reply to article by: Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
Date written: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:12:48 +1000
MsgID:<4284b5e9$0$8122$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>



Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........




So do you, hypocrite.




What ? You think the Book of Mormon is legitimate ?



What? You think your version of the Bible is legitimate and the rest are not?

The Sage

ahh .... I see the problem ...... you have me confused with a Christian
....... not sure how ..... I have an a.a. number ( check out ANY of my
posts ! ) .... I'm a hard core Card carrying Atheist ......I have NO
version of the Bible ..... it's all bronze age ***** ..... just that
I happen to like poking Christians with sticks and Mormons especially so
........ I think you misunderstood my approach .......
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.
User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 14 May 2005 08:01:26 PM

Reply to article by: Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
Date written: Sat, 14 May 2005 21:35:14 +1000
MsgID:<4285e27f$0$5179$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>

Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........

So do you, hypocrite.


What ? You think the Book of Mormon is legitimate ?


What? You think your version of the Bible is legitimate and the rest are not?


ahh .... I see the problem ...... you have me confused with a Christian

Is that the same confusion you have made with me too?

...... not sure how ..... I have an a.a. number ( check out ANY of my
posts ! )

What the hell is an AA number? Is that a religious thing?

.... I'm a hard core Card carrying Atheist

You mean you can't be an Atheist if you don't carry a card identifying yourself
as one? I don't think so.

......I have NO
version of the Bible ..... it's all bronze age ***** ..... just that
I happen to like poking Christians with sticks and Mormons especially so
....... I think you misunderstood my approach .......

That is true but you have to understand this: all Bibles are made up, each one
to suit the purposes of the religious sect it was translated by. The Jehovah's
Witnesses and the Mormon's are not the only ones with make believe Bibles. King
James does not accurately reflect the Greek or Hebrew version of the originals.
In fact, the original books themselves are obviously fabricated up out of thin
air. If you want some examples of this, take a look at
http://members.cox.net/the.sage/Jesus.htm#false
The Sage
=============================================================
My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Toward no crimes have men shown themselves so cold-bloodedly
cruel as in punishing differences in belief"
-- James Russell Lowell
=============================================================
.
User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 15 May 2005 02:32:06 AM
The_Sage wrote:


Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........



So do you, hypocrite.




What ? You think the Book of Mormon is legitimate ?




What? You think your version of the Bible is legitimate and the rest are not?




ahh .... I see the problem ...... you have me confused with a Christian



Is that the same confusion you have made with me too?

I think you have me confused with someone else....... I don't recall
ever attacking you for any reason ......I may have sometime in the
distant past ( we all misread things at times ), but it most certainly
would have been in error ...... do you have a link to this alleged
indiscretion ? If I have said something 'out of order' I would like a
chance to defend myself or apologise ..... whichever way it goes .....



...... not sure how ..... I have an a.a. number ( check out ANY of my
posts ! )



What the hell is an AA number? Is that a religious thing?

In alt.atheism it refers to members of the 'Atheist/Agnostic' list .....
if you're not posting from there then I guess you wouldn't be aware of
it .....



.... I'm a hard core Card carrying Atheist



You mean you can't be an Atheist if you don't carry a card identifying yourself
as one? I don't think so.

sheesh ..... it's an 'expression' son ..... a joke .... sort of like "
Come the Revolution .... Bill Gates will be first up against the wall "
.... I don't think there will ever be a revolution nor do I hate Bill
Gates enough to want him shot .....but I sometimes say it when Windows
crashes........it just means I'm an Atheist Ok ?

......I have NO
version of the Bible ..... it's all bronze age ***** ..... just that
I happen to like poking Christians with sticks and Mormons especially so
....... I think you misunderstood my approach .......



That is true but you have to understand this: all Bibles are made up, each one
to suit the purposes of the religious sect it was translated by. The Jehovah's
Witnesses and the Mormon's are not the only ones with make believe Bibles. King
James does not accurately reflect the Greek or Hebrew version of the originals.
In fact, the original books themselves are obviously fabricated up out of thin
air. If you want some examples of this, take a look at
http://members.cox.net/the.sage/Jesus.htm#false

Huh ? where did I say I didn't believe all Bibles ( ALL religious texts
for that matter ) were made up ? I have NEVER accepted ANY religious
text as valid, I don't need your links to tell me that...... I could
give you a ton of links that show exactly the same thing ..... You DO
have me confused with someone else ..... are you posting from a.a. ?
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.
User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 15 May 2005 11:32:21 AM

Reply to article by: Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
Date written: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:32:06 +1000
MsgID:<4286fb02$0$4659$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>

ahh .... I see the problem ...... you have me confused with a Christian


Is that the same confusion you have made with me too?

I think you have me confused with someone else....... I don't recall
ever attacking you for any reason ......I may have sometime in the
distant past ( we all misread things at times ), but it most certainly
would have been in error ...... do you have a link to this alleged
indiscretion ? If I have said something 'out of order' I would like a
chance to defend myself or apologise ..... whichever way it goes .....

Don't worry about it, I just wasn't sure.

...... not sure how ..... I have an a.a. number ( check out ANY of my
posts ! )

What the hell is an AA number? Is that a religious thing?

In alt.atheism it refers to members of the 'Atheist/Agnostic' list .....
if you're not posting from there then I guess you wouldn't be aware of
it .....

.... I'm a hard core Card carrying Atheist


You mean you can't be an Atheist if you don't carry a card identifying yourself
as one? I don't think so.


sheesh ..... it's an 'expression' son ..... a joke .... sort of like "
Come the Revolution .... Bill Gates will be first up against the wall "
... I don't think there will ever be a revolution nor do I hate Bill
Gates enough to want him shot .....but I sometimes say it when Windows
crashes........it just means I'm an Atheist Ok ?

I think I understand.

......I have NO
version of the Bible ..... it's all bronze age ***** ..... just that
I happen to like poking Christians with sticks and Mormons especially so
....... I think you misunderstood my approach .......


That is true but you have to understand this: all Bibles are made up, each one
to suit the purposes of the religious sect it was translated by. The Jehovah's
Witnesses and the Mormon's are not the only ones with make believe Bibles. King
James does not accurately reflect the Greek or Hebrew version of the originals.
In fact, the original books themselves are obviously fabricated up out of thin
air. If you want some examples of this, take a look at
http://members.cox.net/the.sage/Jesus.htm#false


Huh ? where did I say I didn't believe all Bibles ( ALL religious texts
for that matter ) were made up ?

No one made any claims about what you allegedly said, so there is no need to
become defensive over it. I am just simply stating a fact. My only concern was
that you weren't being fair and equitable since you singled out the Mormons as a
group that made up their own Bible when in actuality all religious groups, in
one way or another, make up their own versions of the Bible.

I have NEVER accepted ANY religious
text as valid, I don't need your links to tell me that...... I could
give you a ton of links that show exactly the same thing ..... You DO
have me confused with someone else ..... are you posting from a.a. ?

I am not posting from anywhere, I am only posting *to* the groups you see in the
field labeled "Newsgroups".
Even though I am an Atheist, I don't belong to any group nor does it imply that
I do. Being an Atheist simply means that I doubt or deny any and all claims as
to the existence of a God or Gods. Being an Atheist says nothing about whether I
am a Communist or a Fascist or a Capitalist or a Buddhist or a scientist or a
Republican or a Democrat or anything at all. By definition, as an Atheist I can
believe in anything I want to, just so long as it doesn't include a God or Gods
somewhere in there. Likewise, I can belong to any group I want, as long as that
group does not require me to blindly believe in a God or Gods. Or I can have no
beliefs or belong to no group whatsoever.
The Sage
=============================================================
My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Toward no crimes have men shown themselves so cold-bloodedly
cruel as in punishing differences in belief"
-- James Russell Lowell
=============================================================
.
User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 16 May 2005 05:11:15 AM
The_Sage wrote:


ahh .... I see the problem ...... you have me confused with a Christian




Is that the same confusion you have made with me too?



I think you have me confused with someone else....... I don't recall
ever attacking you for any reason ......I may have sometime in the
distant past ( we all misread things at times ), but it most certainly
would have been in error ...... do you have a link to this alleged
indiscretion ? If I have said something 'out of order' I would like a
chance to defend myself or apologise ..... whichever way it goes .....



Don't worry about it, I just wasn't sure.


...... not sure how ..... I have an a.a. number ( check out ANY of my
posts ! )



What the hell is an AA number? Is that a religious thing?



In alt.atheism it refers to members of the 'Atheist/Agnostic' list .....
if you're not posting from there then I guess you wouldn't be aware of
it .....



.... I'm a hard core Card carrying Atheist




You mean you can't be an Atheist if you don't carry a card identifying yourself
as one? I don't think so.




sheesh ..... it's an 'expression' son ..... a joke .... sort of like "
Come the Revolution .... Bill Gates will be first up against the wall "
... I don't think there will ever be a revolution nor do I hate Bill
Gates enough to want him shot .....but I sometimes say it when Windows
crashes........it just means I'm an Atheist Ok ?



I think I understand.


......I have NO
version of the Bible ..... it's all bronze age ***** ..... just that
I happen to like poking Christians with sticks and Mormons especially so
....... I think you misunderstood my approach .......




That is true but you have to understand this: all Bibles are made up, each one
to suit the purposes of the religious sect it was translated by. The Jehovah's
Witnesses and the Mormon's are not the only ones with make believe Bibles. King
James does not accurately reflect the Greek or Hebrew version of the originals.
In fact, the original books themselves are obviously fabricated up out of thin
air. If you want some examples of this, take a look at
http://members.cox.net/the.sage/Jesus.htm#false




Huh ? where did I say I didn't believe all Bibles ( ALL religious texts
for that matter ) were made up ?



No one made any claims about what you allegedly said, so there is no need to
become defensive over it. I am just simply stating a fact. My only concern was
that you weren't being fair and equitable since you singled out the Mormons as a
group that made up their own Bible when in actuality all religious groups, in
one way or another, make up their own versions of the Bible.


I have NEVER accepted ANY religious
text as valid, I don't need your links to tell me that...... I could
give you a ton of links that show exactly the same thing ..... You DO
have me confused with someone else ..... are you posting from a.a. ?



I am not posting from anywhere, I am only posting *to* the groups you see in the
field labeled "Newsgroups".

Even though I am an Atheist, I don't belong to any group nor does it imply that
I do. Being an Atheist simply means that I doubt or deny any and all claims as
to the existence of a God or Gods. Being an Atheist says nothing about whether I
am a Communist or a Fascist or a Capitalist or a Buddhist or a scientist or a
Republican or a Democrat or anything at all. By definition, as an Atheist I can
believe in anything I want to, just so long as it doesn't include a God or Gods
somewhere in there. Likewise, I can belong to any group I want, as long as that
group does not require me to blindly believe in a God or Gods. Or I can have no
beliefs or belong to no group whatsoever.

The Sage

=============================================================
My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage

"Toward no crimes have men shown themselves so cold-bloodedly
cruel as in punishing differences in belief"
-- James Russell Lowell
=============================================================

No worries ....
BTW, I like your Web site .......
http://members.cox.net/the.sage/Jesus.htm#false
good work .....
But I still hate Mormons ......... ;-)
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.






User: "• R. L. Measures"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 13 May 2005 11:24:31 AM
In article <4284b5e9$0$8122$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:

The_Sage wrote:

Reply to article by: Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
Date written: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:06:17 +1000
MsgID:<4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>



Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.




"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not

my will

but my will be done".




Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.




Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........



So do you, hypocrite.


What ? You think the Book of Mormon is legitimate ?

• • $30-billion plus is very legitimate if it's your bank account.
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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User: "• R. L. Measures"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 10 May 2005 07:52:38 PM
In article <4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.

"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not my will
but my will be done".

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........

** Smith supposedly translated part of the bible, but it is laughable.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
.
User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 13 May 2005 09:21:16 AM
• R. L. Measures wrote:

In article <4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.

"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not my will
but my will be done".

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........



** Smith supposedly translated part of the bible, but it is laughable.

Not part of 'The Bible' ......rather a whole new addition to it .....
funny thing is, he had already tried that 'translation' scam before and
was wanted in a few states for fraud ....... he just kept moving until
he found enough gullible folk to follow him ...... even then, the
Mormons were forced out of every state they tried to settle in, the US
government even fought a War against them .......
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.
User: "• R. L. Measures"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 13 May 2005 11:28:17 AM
In article <4284b7e6$0$5177$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:

• R. L. Measures wrote:

In article <4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.

"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not

my will

but my will be done".

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........



** Smith supposedly translated part of the bible, but it is laughable.


Not part of 'The Bible' ......rather a whole new addition to it .....

• How many books did the philandering "prophet" "translate"?

funny thing is, he had already tried that 'translation' scam before and
was wanted in a few states for fraud

• But the Ohio warrant was for bank fraud.

....... he just kept moving until
he found enough gullible folk to follow him ...... even then, the
Mormons were forced out of every state they tried to settle in, the US
government even fought a War against them .......

--
Rich. 805.386.3734
.
User: "Masked Avenger"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 14 May 2005 06:46:29 AM
• R. L. Measures wrote:

In article <4284b7e6$0$5177$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:


• R. L. Measures wrote:

In article <4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:



Stormin Mormon wrote:


Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.

"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not


my will

but my will be done".

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........



** Smith supposedly translated part of the bible, but it is laughable.


Not part of 'The Bible' ......rather a whole new addition to it .....



• How many books did the philandering "prophet" "translate"?

Not sure of the exact number ( something like 17 I think ), it was the
old 'rock in a hat' trick that did it ......



funny thing is, he had already tried that 'translation' scam before and
was wanted in a few states for fraud



• But the Ohio warrant was for bank fraud.

yeah, the point being ..... the guy was a first class Flim Flam Man .....



....... he just kept moving until
he found enough gullible folk to follow him ...... even then, the
Mormons were forced out of every state they tried to settle in, the US
government even fought a War against them .......



--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
.
User: "• R. L. Measures"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 14 May 2005 11:06:06 AM
In article <4285e523$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:

• R. L. Measures wrote:

In article <4284b7e6$0$5177$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:


• R. L. Measures wrote:

In article <4280bff1$0$8120$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Masked Avenger
<cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote:



Stormin Mormon wrote:


Also his prayers on the cross and in Gethsemane.

"Oh me, my will be done, if I will, this bitter cup to pass, but not


my will

but my will be done".

Try this concept: As the Son of God, Jesus was both fully Man, and fully
God. Having the atributes of both.


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


Oh dear ...... And what would a follower of that great Con Artist Joseph
Smith know ? You guys write your own Bible ........



** Smith supposedly translated part of the bible, but it is laughable.


Not part of 'The Bible' ......rather a whole new addition to it .....



• How many books did the philandering "prophet" "translate"?


Not sure of the exact number ( something like 17 I think ), it was the
old 'rock in a hat' trick that did it ......

• Sure, but he has the distinction of coining the adage "he was talking
through his hat".



funny thing is, he had already tried that 'translation' scam before and
was wanted in a few states for fraud



• But the Ohio warrant was for bank fraud.


yeah, the point being ..... the guy was a first class Flim Flam Man .....

• the very best that has ever been in this country. Even the great
Charles Ponzi had nothing on "prophet" Smith.

...

--
Rich. 805.386.3734
.







User: "bobwall3"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 07:52:21 AM
Because Jesus was God and a man at same time.
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God?
Luke 2:52 reads: "And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature and
in favor with God and men."
This verse just shows what I've been saying for quite some time: the
attributes attached to Jesus by the Bible writers are inconsistent, and
that seems to be because the stories about Jesus and perceptions about
him were gathered from a variety of conflicting traditions.
The notion that Jesus, who was God, gained the favor of God, is a
little bit nonsensical, in my opinion.
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User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 01:39:35 PM
"bobwall3" <bobwall3@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:92Jfe.69105$WI3.43342@attbi_s71...

Because Jesus was God and a man at same time.

So he loved himself even more.
Wow there's no limits to the ego of your god is there
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 12:16:03 PM
On 09 May 2005, bobwall3 dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

Because Jesus was God and a man at same time.

Evidence that coherency of thought and cogent argument are not
prerequisites for Christianity.
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chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
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there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
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User: "Conspiracy of Doves"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 08:14:55 AM
You DO realize that what you said doesn't make any sense and doesn't
really answer the question, right?
.
User: "• R. L. Measures"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 06:27:40 PM
In article <1115644495.649568.318930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:

You DO realize that what you said doesn't make any sense and doesn't
really answer the question, right?

• - "If you understand it, it is not God."
-- from Saint Augustine¹s, Sermon 117.
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
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User: "The_Sage"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 10 May 2005 07:50:35 PM

Reply to article by:

(• R. L. Measures)
Date written: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:27:40 -0700
MsgID:<_r-0905051627400001@192.168.1.100>

You DO realize that what you said doesn't make any sense and doesn't
really answer the question, right?

• - "If you understand it, it is not God."
-- from Saint Augustine¹s, Sermon 117.

Thank God for Satan then, since Satan is therefore responsible for everything we
can understand, like reason and logic and math and electronics and hospitals and
so on.
The Sage
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cruel as in punishing differences in belief"
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User: "• R. L. Measures"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 10 May 2005 10:27:48 PM
In article <ncl2815e7mf62s29mjfgatfin8nb943etq@4ax.com>, The_Sage
<The_Sage@msn.com> wrote:

Reply to article by:

(• R. L. Measures)
Date written: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:27:40 -0700
MsgID:<_r-0905051627400001@192.168.1.100>


You DO realize that what you said doesn't make any sense and doesn't
really answer the question, right?


• - "If you understand it, it is not God."
-- from Saint Augustine¹s, Sermon 117.


Thank God for Satan then, since Satan is therefore responsible for

everything we

can understand, like reason and logic and math and electronics and

hospitals and

so on.

• chortle
--
Rich. 805.386.3734
.


User: "James Ascher"

Title: Re: If Jesus IS God.... How can Jesus increase in favor with God? 09 May 2005 06:48:39 PM
• R. L. Measures wrote:

In article <1115644495.649568.318930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:


You DO realize that what you said doesn't make any sense and doesn't
really answer the question, right?



• - "If you understand it, it is not God."
-- from Saint Augustine¹s, Sermon 117.

I don't understand neo-cons - are they God?
James
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