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"johac" |
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13 Jan 2007 02:28:50 AM |
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If you hate God do not move in. |
I wonder what the owner would do if a devout Muslim showed up?
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Article published Jan 12, 2007
Attorney General: Don't mix religion and rentals
From staff reports
TRENTON -- Attorney General Stuart Rabner announced today that the state
Division on Civil Rights has issued a Finding of Probable Cause against
a New Brunswick man accused of religion-based housing discrimination for
allegedly placing Internet rental ads cautioning that his rooming house
was a Christian household and using a lease that stated to potential
renters that if you hate God do not move in.
Joseph Fabics Jr. of New Brunswick is accused of placing room rental ads
on two Web sites frequented by students seeking housing. In both cases,
the ads made plain that the room available for rent was located in a
Christian
household. In addition, Fabics is accused of including in his standard
lease agreement a clause that read: This is a Christian household. If
you hate God do not move in.
A Finding of Probable Cause means the state has finished its
investigation, and has determined there is sufficient evidence to
support a reasonable suspicion that the actions of the respondent
violated the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination (LAD).
The alleged discrimination by Fabics came to the states attention in
July 2006 after a man who had rented a room in Fabics six-bedroom
boarding house on Howard Street in New Brunswick filed a formal
complaint with the Division on Civil Rights (DCR).
As the LAD makes clear and as every New Jersey landlord should know --
all otherwise eligible persons have the right to equal treatment in the
pursuit of safe and affordable housing, said DCR Director Frank
Vespa-Papaleo.
Former tenant Carl Foster charged in his complaint that he was forced to
vacate the room he rented from Fabics because of religion-based
harassment linked to his refusal to sign a formal lease agreement.
Foster, who told state investigators he was Episcopalian, said he
nonetheless refused to sign a formal lease agreement because it
contained the Christian household language, and an admonition that, If
you hate God, do not move in.
The Division on Civil Rights has six offices: Atlantic City, Camden,
Jersey City, Newark, Trenton and Paterson. Further information is
available on the DCR Web site www.NJCivilrights.org .
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http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070112/NEWS01
/70112012
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
13 Jan 2007 02:34:42 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> bloodied us up
with this:
TRENTON -- Attorney General Stuart Rabner announced today that the state
Division on Civil Rights has issued a Finding of Probable Cause against
a New Brunswick man accused of religion-based housing discrimination for
allegedly placing Internet rental ads cautioning that his rooming house
was a Christian household and using a lease that stated to potential
renters that if you hate God do not move in.
Well, no problem there. Who hates "god"?
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page.
Don’t be afraid. The lack of a deity is not an opening for chaos. It is a
call for responsibility. -Lauren Becker
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
14 Jan 2007 12:24:05 AM |
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In article <Xns98B77FF847B76vicman@66.250.146.128>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> bloodied us up
with this:
TRENTON -- Attorney General Stuart Rabner announced today that the state
Division on Civil Rights has issued a Finding of Probable Cause against
a New Brunswick man accused of religion-based housing discrimination for
allegedly placing Internet rental ads cautioning that his rooming house
was a Christian household and using a lease that stated to potential
renters that if you hate God do not move in.
Well, no problem there. Who hates "god"?
True. How can you hate an imaginary being?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
14 Jan 2007 07:53:24 AM |
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On 13 Jan 2007 20:34:42 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> bloodied us up
with this:
TRENTON -- Attorney General Stuart Rabner announced today that the state
Division on Civil Rights has issued a Finding of Probable Cause against
a New Brunswick man accused of religion-based housing discrimination for
allegedly placing Internet rental ads cautioning that his rooming house
was a Christian household and using a lease that stated to potential
renters that if you hate God do not move in.
Well, no problem there. Who hates "god"?
I don't care for grits, is that close enough?
Ben
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
14 Jan 2007 11:31:13 PM |
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In article <vddkq2hnch0j8gsi52l3jdf8lnf493itio@4ax.com>,
Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On 13 Jan 2007 20:34:42 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> bloodied us up
with this:
TRENTON -- Attorney General Stuart Rabner announced today that the state
Division on Civil Rights has issued a Finding of Probable Cause against
a New Brunswick man accused of religion-based housing discrimination for
allegedly placing Internet rental ads cautioning that his rooming house
was a Christian household and using a lease that stated to potential
renters that if you hate God do not move in.
Well, no problem there. Who hates "god"?
I don't care for grits, is that close enough?
But god likes grits so I guess your out.
Ben
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Cgiorgio" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
13 Jan 2007 04:58:25 AM |
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The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not even
believe exists?
---
Article published Jan 12, 2007
Attorney General: Don't mix religion and rentals
From staff reports
TRENTON -- Attorney General Stuart Rabner announced today that the state
Division on Civil Rights has issued a Finding of Probable Cause against
a New Brunswick man accused of religion-based housing discrimination for
allegedly placing Internet rental ads cautioning that his rooming house
was a Christian household and using a lease that stated to potential
renters that if you hate God do not move in.
Joseph Fabics Jr. of New Brunswick is accused of placing room rental ads
on two Web sites frequented by students seeking housing. In both cases,
the ads made plain that the room available for rent was located in a
Christian
household. In addition, Fabics is accused of including in his standard
lease agreement a clause that read: This is a Christian household. If
you hate God do not move in.
A Finding of Probable Cause means the state has finished its
investigation, and has determined there is sufficient evidence to
support a reasonable suspicion that the actions of the respondent
violated the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination (LAD).
The alleged discrimination by Fabics came to the states attention in
July 2006 after a man who had rented a room in Fabics six-bedroom
boarding house on Howard Street in New Brunswick filed a formal
complaint with the Division on Civil Rights (DCR).
As the LAD makes clear and as every New Jersey landlord should know --
all otherwise eligible persons have the right to equal treatment in the
pursuit of safe and affordable housing, said DCR Director Frank
Vespa-Papaleo.
Former tenant Carl Foster charged in his complaint that he was forced to
vacate the room he rented from Fabics because of religion-based
harassment linked to his refusal to sign a formal lease agreement.
Foster, who told state investigators he was Episcopalian, said he
nonetheless refused to sign a formal lease agreement because it
contained the Christian household language, and an admonition that, If
you hate God, do not move in.
The Division on Civil Rights has six offices: Atlantic City, Camden,
Jersey City, Newark, Trenton and Paterson. Further information is
available on the DCR Web site www.NJCivilrights.org .
---
http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070112/NEWS01
/70112012
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
13 Jan 2007 08:16:03 AM |
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The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not
even believe exists?
May atheists hate the sinner, but simply disparage the sin?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
14 Jan 2007 12:24:49 AM |
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In article <eoae0k$jfh$03$1@news.t-online.com>,
"Cgiorgio" <me@nowhere.org> wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not even
believe exists?
Precisely!
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Article published Jan 12, 2007
Attorney General: Don't mix religion and rentals
From staff reports
---
http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070112/NEWS01
/70112012
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
13 Jan 2007 08:24:08 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:25 +0100, "Cgiorgio" <me@nowhere.org> wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not even
believe exists?
True, but as has been said in the past, it's what they do in its name.
Ben
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| User: "MarkA" |
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13 Jan 2007 12:52:21 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:25 +0100, Cgiorgio wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not
even believe exists?
It seems like a pretty mindless clause. Who would "hate God?" If you
believe He exists, it would be pretty stupid to hate Him. He is, after
all, believed to be "the Boss."
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MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
13 Jan 2007 05:51:52 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:52:21 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:25 +0100, Cgiorgio wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not
even believe exists?
It seems like a pretty mindless clause. Who would "hate God?" If you
believe He exists, it would be pretty stupid to hate Him. He is, after
all, believed to be "the Boss."
As it stands, hating it would be no different than hating the bad guy
in a novel or a movie.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
14 Jan 2007 07:50:42 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:51:52 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:52:21 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:25 +0100, Cgiorgio wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not
even believe exists?
It seems like a pretty mindless clause. Who would "hate God?" If you
believe He exists, it would be pretty stupid to hate Him. He is, after
all, believed to be "the Boss."
As it stands, hating it would be no different than hating the bad guy
in a novel or a movie.
And that only comes when the writer has attained a believable character.
Ben
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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13 Jan 2007 06:31:15 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:51:52 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:52:21 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:25 +0100, Cgiorgio wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not
even believe exists?
It seems like a pretty mindless clause. Who would "hate God?" If you
believe He exists, it would be pretty stupid to hate Him. He is, after
all, believed to be "the Boss."
As it stands, hating it would be no different than hating the bad guy
in a novel or a movie.
Mmmm
The interesting thing about that idea, is that far too often, in books, and
movies, the guy that you have been lead to believe is the "bad guy", turns out
to be the hero.
....And vice versa.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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14 Jan 2007 10:53:44 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:31:15 +0000, Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:51:52 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:52:21 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:25 +0100, Cgiorgio wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not
even believe exists?
It seems like a pretty mindless clause. Who would "hate God?" If you
believe He exists, it would be pretty stupid to hate Him. He is, after
all, believed to be "the Boss."
As it stands, hating it would be no different than hating the bad guy in
a novel or a movie.
Mmmm
The interesting thing about that idea, is that far too often, in books,
and movies, the guy that you have been lead to believe is the "bad guy",
turns out to be the hero.
...And vice versa.
You mean like how a god that orders his agents to exterminate entire
civilizations, and generally makes Hitler and Stalin look like cub scouts,
is supposed to wind up being the hero? I'm not sure I could swallow
anything THAT outrageous.
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MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: If you hate God do not move in. |
14 Jan 2007 07:52:33 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:31:15 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:51:52 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:52:21 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:58:25 +0100, Cgiorgio wrote:
The perfect home for an atheist - Who could hate something he does not
even believe exists?
It seems like a pretty mindless clause. Who would "hate God?" If you
believe He exists, it would be pretty stupid to hate Him. He is, after
all, believed to be "the Boss."
As it stands, hating it would be no different than hating the bad guy
in a novel or a movie.
Mmmm
The interesting thing about that idea, is that far too often, in books, and
movies, the guy that you have been lead to believe is the "bad guy", turns out
to be the hero.
...And vice versa.
Yes, but I think you are confusing a good novel or screenplay with the Bible.
Ben
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